Both seem like acceptable options, but I'd rather pick the better one.
EDIT: Also, I've heard of some sort of TL channel on ICCup: If anyone could tell me how to connect to that, that would be awesome.
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Salivanth
Australia1071 Posts
Both seem like acceptable options, but I'd rather pick the better one. EDIT: Also, I've heard of some sort of TL channel on ICCup: If anyone could tell me how to connect to that, that would be awesome. | ||
oxidized
United States324 Posts
Once you have it down, play some iccup. You won't be able to execute it properly because of the pressure (real and imagined) from playing a real opponent. Being able to execute properly comes with experience and a good mindset. You'll encounter some cheese or aggressive plays that you can't hold. Each time you come across that, make sure you figure out how you could try to stop it next time. Teamliquid's iccup channel is "op teamliquid" | ||
FlaShFTW
United States9607 Posts
after that, play some BW on ICCup. obviously you'll probably lose your first couple of games, as it happens to the best of us. but you'll begin getting familiar with the game, maps, and strats as you improve. also, when you lose, think about what you could have done to maybe win that game. finally, to join the TL channel, type in "/j op teamliquid" without the ". or, you can click channel on the home screen and type in "op teamliquid" without the ". GL HF!!! btw, if you want to game me, im KT.FaTe[BSG] or KT.FaTe sometimes. | ||
Salivanth
Australia1071 Posts
Thanks Fate, I shall join the channel when I get onto ICCup and if you're on I shall hook you up, get you to slaughter me and then tell me why you did so if you're amenable | ||
eeniebear
United States197 Posts
On July 04 2011 02:00 Salivanth wrote: Cheers! I should specify that I can execute these builds in the correct order, just not as quickly and crisply as one might expect. Isn't it possible to just play alone with no computer opponents in BW? If you can't, I'll just go straight to ICCup, I want to either practice my builds against no opponent at all, or against a good one. Thanks Fate, I shall join the channel when I get onto ICCup and if you're on I shall hook you up, get you to slaughter me and then tell me why you did so if you're amenable To play with no opponent, make a game on iccup with a random password, set game type to "melee," set another player to "computer," start the game. But as soon as the countdown starts, close the computer's slot. This will let you play without an opponent. Another option is to get better SCBW AI's. A lot of them use standard build orders, but don't really attack or control correctly. But they'll take bases in a typical order, and won't do the 12 zealot rush that the Blizzard AI does every time. | ||
Dymond
Canada138 Posts
I think. | ||
Salivanth
Australia1071 Posts
One other question though: If you're unable to host games, how can you tell? Can you start a game, even if nobody can join it, or will you be stopped from trying to host one altogether? | ||
0mgVitaminE
United States1278 Posts
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Frigo
Hungary1023 Posts
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Hekisui
195 Posts
PM me if interested. I think it will help a lot more than watching progamers or read up a BO on liquipedia. Practice partners are often the best way to practice. You can play several games in a row with someone with a good skill level for practice games and discuss the games. Just remember that at the lower ranks everyone levels out at winning 33%. If you win more than 33% your rank will raise and you will play tougher opponents. Only when you win below 33%, your ranking will drop and your opponents will get easier. | ||
Salivanth
Australia1071 Posts
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NationInArms
United States1553 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=135766 | ||
TheGlassface
United States612 Posts
D- Z and D(-) P | ||
pedrotrv
Brazil117 Posts
On July 04 2011 06:16 Salivanth wrote: Wow, that would be brilliant. Also great to hear about that 33% thing, else I'd be really confused! I've sent you a PM. Thanks a bunch! I shall have to work on finding some players as legendarily bad as I Just PM me (Trv on ICCup). If I had 33% i'd be really happy lol Just go play, you will surely get destroyed, but in each game (and respective replay analysis) you will learn something you should not do. Make sure you get one build for each MU and always use them. Always always. I'm about 7-30 right now. It's tough to compete with ppl that play this for years, but every will make you really happy. | ||
tMorris
Canada9 Posts
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MeteorRise
Canada611 Posts
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Zyferous
United States270 Posts
Also, I for one advocate actual experience versus human players over solitary practice. It is much more important for you to gather experience instead of drilling build orders that you may not even understand. Of course, it is important to at least know a few build orders, but there is no need to spend hours perfecting them. | ||
Salivanth
Australia1071 Posts
Zyferous: Yeah, that was essentially the heart of my question. Practice mechanics alone vs. gathering experience without strong mechanics. Thanks for your take on it. It's what I concluded, but phrased more eloquently than I could Pedrotrv, Glassface, I will PM you guys, I'd like to play some games against other BW newbies, especially people like you guys who appear to be better than me, but hopefully not in another class altogether: The best type of opponent for learning imo. One that beats you, but has to try hard to do it. Tmorris, I'll add you on Skype. Astounded by how many people have replied with advice, offers of coaching, and offers of practice partners. If everyone knew how awesome the community in this game was, I'm sure you'd get a lot more players trying to get into this great game. Thanks everyone! EDIT: Have contacted you guys, Pedro, Glassface, Tmorris. | ||
Austro
Australia48 Posts
Ver's guide to improving is a must-read as someone has mentioned. Also, liquidpedia and quite a few of the linked threads in the stickied topic are very useful despite what some people might say. If you're a Terran, look up Stylish's VODs on YouTube. I'd be happy to play with you sometime if you'd like as I live in Australia too | ||
mansa
Philippines336 Posts
PM me anytime sGs.mansasbg | ||
FluqsBlood
United Kingdom5 Posts
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Salivanth
Australia1071 Posts
Mansa, sent you a PM. FluqsBlood: Hopefully I see you on there! Feel free to send me a PM if you want to play at a certain time, I'm free from GMT 1000 to 2000. | ||
intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
gl hf | ||
Nazza
Australia1654 Posts
1) Practice your BO in single player until you can do it without thinking about it. 2) Practice against people online until you can do your BO without pressure Also if you can't host, try opening your ports on your router. hit me up on iccup, i'm sGs.Nazza, but I'm really bad at TvP and TvT. | ||
djbhINDI
United States372 Posts
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djbhINDI
United States372 Posts
djbhINDI on iCCup | ||
sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
Because when you win your first game, it will be the happiest day of your life. (Pretty sure I lost 100 games before my first non-cheese win) | ||
Salivanth
Australia1071 Posts
So it doesn't look like I am gonna get into BW after all. | ||
Invictus
Singapore2697 Posts
traffic is still okay.. as long as you wait around for about 5-10 mins you pretty much can get a game(unless ur B or smth) | ||
Kaal
Djibouti2213 Posts
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Dagon
Romania264 Posts
But better just add me on skype directly as that is allmost allways on. Skype id is: q3hellbouncer or q3_hellbouncer. One of tjose two, can't remember exactly. I am mostly online at night (Eu timezone). PM on skype if you want to practice even if I am offline as I sometimes stay invizible. I play T and also suck! Also, we should get organised and use some channel to meet more easily.. | ||
mansa
Philippines336 Posts
On July 07 2011 20:53 Salivanth wrote: Unfortunately, I can't manage to host games without lagging horribly even after going through the arcana of port forwarding and when I want to play, there's almost no traffic. I'd be happy if I could just find some games to lose in! So it doesn't look like I am gonna get into BW after all. Try enabling DMZ or test your port using Starcrat port tester http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=146832 If opening a port still doesn't work enable DMZ. And make sure you have an static IP. Also joining games isn't that bad | ||
Salivanth
Australia1071 Posts
Dagon, some sort of channel would be great. Though I have no idea how to start one, I'd happily take part in it and add new people if you started it up, if I can get ICCup to work properly. My name is Salivanth on Skype. Kaal, apparently Fish messes with your registry files. I considered Brainclan, but decided I'd rather not learn Korean (Even the small amount I'd need) just to play BW. It might be a last resort, however. Mansa: Tried it, the port was open, but ping was about 400ms. So that could be the problem. EDIT: In the end, I think I have the answer. I'm on a wireless internet connection in Australia. I simply lag too much to play. Since BW games are p2p, and most of my games have been against Koreans and I've lagged unplayably against them, I can't play on a Korean server either. This also explains something that bugged me: Why I was able to play against my mate, who lives nearby, without lagging at all. Can't think of any other solution at this point, which sucks as I was looking forward to really learning the game. Thanks for all the help/advice/offers guys. I have posted my problem on the ICCup Forums, if they can't solve it, well...unfortunately, I'm done. | ||
mansa
Philippines336 Posts
I get 500mms average on that port tester maybe you'll just have to set starcraft to high latency or extra high latency every game. If that doesn't work then =/ TBH my internet is probably worse than every one else in the world but I'm able to play on High latency settings on average on bad days Extra high latency, Once in awhile I can play on low latency you just have to play on High latency or Extra high. You can set it on starcraft each game on options its on the network options ofc I'm not sure though Edit: Oops just saw your ICCUP post Edit 2: I use a wireless router and seems to have no problem with it. Some ISP blocks off P2P traffic so check that out. | ||
ThePianoDentist
United Kingdom698 Posts
its not like other games where there's always someone worse than you and you can just waltz online and compete first game, on iccup it seems even D- players still have played quite alot of games and are at least decent. but yeah im also just trying to stick with a standard build for each race match and play simple. i say standard build, i mainly just get a load of dragoons, and as for buildings for higher tech rather than strictly follow a build order to the letter where i inevitably cock it up and then panic, i set out what i want to tech towards and so just build buildings in that order....as it seems kind of even people who've told me to follow builds, and others who say dont just copy builds just try and think logically and do it yourself. now my macro is okay, i can avoid getting supply blocked and have a few expansions and be constantly massing units from several gateways....so i feel comfortable enough to dive back into multiplayer...but the problem im sure ill face next is so many people seem so aggressive early on and i just get rushed. (i might try fast expand with forge and getting 2 photo cannons down early on my expansion as ive seen this done kind of often and seems good at dissuading early enemy pushes) | ||
calin
Australia107 Posts
As long as your macro is semi ok and you've got a bo vs every race just play vs other people..but like I said don't expect to win anytime soon. Good luck! | ||
ThePianoDentist
United Kingdom698 Posts
and you havent taken Into account my insane micro. in ONE game my dragoons were fighting this guys hydralisks, and they were shooting at ONE of my dragoons, so i clicked on that dragoon and moved it away before it could die so its Shield could regen and the other guy was like "dude. that was some sic dragoon micro, iS this boxers Secret iccup account?" | ||
ThePianoDentist
United Kingdom698 Posts
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jjhchsc2
Korea (South)2393 Posts
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
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puppykiller
United States3125 Posts
On July 19 2011 10:18 Odal wrote: People seem to over exaggerate when it comes to the difficulty of bw. Maybe it was because I was already master league in sc2 the first time I played iccup, but it was not a difficult thing for me. I'm nothing special but I can easily maintain D with half decent mechanics playing 1 or 2 games every few days. Sorry to break it to you but maintaining D doesn't actually mean that your a great player. | ||
xarthaz
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Th1rdEye
United States1074 Posts
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Th1rdEye
United States1074 Posts
On July 19 2011 10:30 puppykiller wrote: Show nested quote + On July 19 2011 10:18 Odal wrote: People seem to over exaggerate when it comes to the difficulty of bw. Maybe it was because I was already master league in sc2 the first time I played iccup, but it was not a difficult thing for me. I'm nothing special but I can easily maintain D with half decent mechanics playing 1 or 2 games every few days. Sorry to break it to you but maintaining D doesn't actually mean that your a great player. ... lol, D is the starting rank.... D D+ C- C C+ B- B B+ A- A A+ ..... long way to go to be "good" at bw | ||
don_kyuhote
3004 Posts
On July 19 2011 15:19 Galaxy_Zerg wrote: Show nested quote + On July 19 2011 10:30 puppykiller wrote: On July 19 2011 10:18 Odal wrote: People seem to over exaggerate when it comes to the difficulty of bw. Maybe it was because I was already master league in sc2 the first time I played iccup, but it was not a difficult thing for me. I'm nothing special but I can easily maintain D with half decent mechanics playing 1 or 2 games every few days. Sorry to break it to you but maintaining D doesn't actually mean that your a great player. ... lol, D is the starting rank.... D D+ C- C C+ B- B B+ A- A A+ ..... long way to go to be "good" at bw Well, if you can at least get to and maintain C-, you won't be a noob. And I think anywhere from B- and up (maybe even C+ and up), you're really good. | ||
hellbound
United Kingdom2242 Posts
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
On July 19 2011 17:11 hellbound wrote: Haha "maintain D" you need 30-40% winrate at D level to maintain it. That's really poor. I'm not saying sit at pro level. But people are acting like it's normal to lose 40 games in a row when they start. You can sit at a 50%ish win rate if you actually play. | ||
skunk_works
United States109 Posts
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Magus
Canada450 Posts
On July 20 2011 23:46 Odal wrote: Show nested quote + On July 19 2011 17:11 hellbound wrote: Haha "maintain D" you need 30-40% winrate at D level to maintain it. That's really poor. I'm not saying sit at pro level. But people are acting like it's normal to lose 40 games in a row when they start. You can sit at a 50%ish win rate if you actually play. Losing your first 10-100 games is normal on iccup. I got my first win after 12 consecutive losses. | ||
ThePianoDentist
United Kingdom698 Posts
On July 21 2011 04:50 Magus wrote: Show nested quote + On July 20 2011 23:46 Odal wrote: On July 19 2011 17:11 hellbound wrote: Haha "maintain D" you need 30-40% winrate at D level to maintain it. That's really poor. I'm not saying sit at pro level. But people are acting like it's normal to lose 40 games in a row when they start. You can sit at a 50%ish win rate if you actually play. Losing your first 10-100 games is normal on iccup. I got my first win after 12 consecutive losses. 18 for me. I win at consecutive losses! last 2 days I have about an 90% win record vs terran and 0% vs protoss and 5% vs zerg lol. I should be given a prolicense and hired by one of the korean teams just to take down flash! | ||
sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On July 19 2011 10:18 Odal wrote: People seem to over exaggerate when it comes to the difficulty of bw. Maybe it was because I was already master league in sc2 the first time I played iccup, but it was not a difficult thing for me. I'm nothing special but I can easily maintain D with half decent mechanics playing 1 or 2 games every few days. It also depends what time zone If I play at my normal time I end up having to vs koreans all day so I have a much lower win rate than if I play at odd hours. | ||
puppykiller
United States3125 Posts
On July 21 2011 08:00 sluggaslamoo wrote: Show nested quote + On July 19 2011 10:18 Odal wrote: People seem to over exaggerate when it comes to the difficulty of bw. Maybe it was because I was already master league in sc2 the first time I played iccup, but it was not a difficult thing for me. I'm nothing special but I can easily maintain D with half decent mechanics playing 1 or 2 games every few days. It also depends what time zone If I play at my normal time I end up having to vs koreans all day so I have a much lower win rate than if I play at odd hours. People always say this but i honestly believe that korean hours are no harder. I ladder on and off korean hours and just as there are bad foreigners... there are bad koreans. The gap is only noticeable at higher levels | ||
Potling
Norway298 Posts
On July 19 2011 17:11 hellbound wrote: Haha "maintain D" you need 30-40% winrate at D level to maintain it. That's really poor. The D ladder is full of smurfs nowadays. I usually ask "best rank?" midgame, and the average answer is C- to C+. | ||
Gulfstream
United States38 Posts
On July 19 2011 10:18 Odal wrote: People seem to over exaggerate when it comes to the difficulty of bw. Maybe it was because I was already master league in sc2 the first time I played iccup, but it was not a difficult thing for me. I'm nothing special but I can easily maintain D with half decent mechanics playing 1 or 2 games every few days. Oh yeah? Want to know how easy iCCup and BW really are? + Show Spoiler + Seriously though... I'm not saying sit at pro level. But people are acting like it's normal to lose 40 games in a row when they start. You can sit at a 50%ish win rate if you actually play. You were master league in SC2, and D at BW. I'm not sure how you found a correlation there which demonstrates your point. Let's say a person hasn't had much experience with RTS, or was casual at best. You think that if a masters league player of SC2 can only 'maintain' D at BW, the aforementioned inexperienced RTS gamer shouldn't lose 70-100% of the time? Say huh? It seems to me like you're trying put pressure on or belittle RTS beginners, all of whom will lose about 90% of their games at iCCup (and elsewhere) for a long time. Or maybe you have some grudge against what you think are elitist iCCup/TL players. Whatever your reasons, I hope anyone getting into competitive SC won't pay attention to what you've said. BW is hard. iCCup is hard. No one should feel bad about losing 100 out of 100, or about sitting at D, D-, E for a while. | ||
arkedos
Germany1426 Posts
I just wanted to ask if there is anybody who is a totally beginner at Brood War and would like to play few games with me? Would be nice to see some responses. | ||
ThePianoDentist
United Kingdom698 Posts
also remember to forward your ports (6112 port?) if starting so that it lets you host games and stuff. add LePianoDentist on iccup if you want to play a few games against me | ||
djbhINDI
United States372 Posts
On July 25 2011 07:25 ThePianoDentist wrote: im kind of beginner. i've won some games, im like 10-50. if you literally havent played at all, even sc2, i would recommend practicing playing the computer several times to at least get your macro and ability to keep your money low acceptable meaning games will at least be competitive. also remember to forward your ports (6112 port?) if starting so that it lets you host games and stuff. add LePianoDentist on iccup if you want to play a few games against me This. I can consistently own the AI (straight up macro, no weird builds, no cheese) to the point where I haven't lost vs comp in 20 games. I'm 1-23 on iCCup. If you can't beat the AI consistently, don't even think about iCCup yet. Or, more like, don't even think about winning on iCCup yet. | ||
pyrogenetix
United Arab Emirates5090 Posts
On July 29 2011 06:16 djbhINDI wrote: Show nested quote + On July 25 2011 07:25 ThePianoDentist wrote: im kind of beginner. i've won some games, im like 10-50. if you literally havent played at all, even sc2, i would recommend practicing playing the computer several times to at least get your macro and ability to keep your money low acceptable meaning games will at least be competitive. also remember to forward your ports (6112 port?) if starting so that it lets you host games and stuff. add LePianoDentist on iccup if you want to play a few games against me This. I can consistently own the AI (straight up macro, no weird builds, no cheese) to the point where I haven't lost vs comp in 20 games. I'm 1-23 on iCCup. If you can't beat the AI consistently, don't even think about iCCup yet. Or, more like, don't even think about winning on iCCup yet. I would say don't even bother iccup until you can straight up roll over 2 computers with macro easily. | ||
ninazerg
United States7290 Posts
On July 29 2011 10:07 pyrogenetix wrote: Show nested quote + On July 29 2011 06:16 djbhINDI wrote: On July 25 2011 07:25 ThePianoDentist wrote: im kind of beginner. i've won some games, im like 10-50. if you literally havent played at all, even sc2, i would recommend practicing playing the computer several times to at least get your macro and ability to keep your money low acceptable meaning games will at least be competitive. also remember to forward your ports (6112 port?) if starting so that it lets you host games and stuff. add LePianoDentist on iccup if you want to play a few games against me This. I can consistently own the AI (straight up macro, no weird builds, no cheese) to the point where I haven't lost vs comp in 20 games. I'm 1-23 on iCCup. If you can't beat the AI consistently, don't even think about iCCup yet. Or, more like, don't even think about winning on iCCup yet. I would say don't even bother iccup until you can straight up roll over 2 computers with macro easily. Uh, that seems a little inaccurate. Computers do not play like humans at all, and the BroodWar AI is actually really bad. Playing 2, 3, 4 or however many computers will absolutely not prepare one for playing against people. The AI, however, can provide someone with a skeleton framework of how to play. For example, let's say you play against a Protoss AI. The AI will send out 10 Zealots at a set time (I don't remember the exact time anymore) and then expand. When I started playing BroodWar, this would always kill me. I would try all kinds of tricks to hold it off, like building 15 Photon Cannons to kill the Zealots. The problem with this is that I would be scared of the Zealots attacking right from the moment I started the game. I would be like "omg, zealots are coming, I need to defend myself" so I would build a Forge right away and start making Cannons right away. As I started to play more, I finally realized that the computer always attacks at the same time every game, so I realized I could make more Probes early on, and then could worry about defending the attack later. This type of realization is the result of pattern recognition, which is an important part of playing against human opponents. The problem is, when playing with an AI, the AI has maybe 1-2 strategies per race (unless you download some AIs or make your own) but human strategies, per race, can branch off into many different directions, so being able to recognize strategies, and execute your own, takes repetition, and repetition takes patience. So would I recommend playing against other people? Absolutely. There's a lot more to StarCraft than just macroing. | ||
ThePianoDentist
United Kingdom698 Posts
On July 29 2011 12:02 ninazerg wrote: Show nested quote + On July 29 2011 10:07 pyrogenetix wrote: On July 29 2011 06:16 djbhINDI wrote: On July 25 2011 07:25 ThePianoDentist wrote: im kind of beginner. i've won some games, im like 10-50. if you literally havent played at all, even sc2, i would recommend practicing playing the computer several times to at least get your macro and ability to keep your money low acceptable meaning games will at least be competitive. also remember to forward your ports (6112 port?) if starting so that it lets you host games and stuff. add LePianoDentist on iccup if you want to play a few games against me This. I can consistently own the AI (straight up macro, no weird builds, no cheese) to the point where I haven't lost vs comp in 20 games. I'm 1-23 on iCCup. If you can't beat the AI consistently, don't even think about iCCup yet. Or, more like, don't even think about winning on iCCup yet. I would say don't even bother iccup until you can straight up roll over 2 computers with macro easily. Uh, that seems a little inaccurate. Computers do not play like humans at all, and the BroodWar AI is actually really bad. Playing 2, 3, 4 or however many computers will absolutely not prepare one for playing against people. The AI, however, can provide someone with a skeleton framework of how to play. For example, let's say you play against a Protoss AI. The AI will send out 10 Zealots at a set time (I don't remember the exact time anymore) and then expand. When I started playing BroodWar, this would always kill me. I would try all kinds of tricks to hold it off, like building 15 Photon Cannons to kill the Zealots. The problem with this is that I would be scared of the Zealots attacking right from the moment I started the game. I would be like "omg, zealots are coming, I need to defend myself" so I would build a Forge right away and start making Cannons right away. As I started to play more, I finally realized that the computer always attacks at the same time every game, so I realized I could make more Probes early on, and then could worry about defending the attack later. This type of realization is the result of pattern recognition, which is an important part of playing against human opponents. The problem is, when playing with an AI, the AI has maybe 1-2 strategies per race (unless you download some AIs or make your own) but human strategies, per race, can branch off into many different directions, so being able to recognize strategies, and execute your own, takes repetition, and repetition takes patience. So would I recommend playing against other people? Absolutely. There's a lot more to StarCraft than just macroing. agreed to a point for example computer terran always does an early medic and marine push whereas pretty much no low level terran humans will do this. i found for practice it was best to play zerg ai, occasionally they would zergling rush...or maybe i was just woefully underprepared back then...but theyre usually quite stand-off-ish and allow you to focus on macroing, pumping units and aggressively expanding. but i disagree in that i feel to start with for the first several games there is just macroing, yes maybe some strategies will be better than others but for your very first games chances are whatever strategy you were using you would have lost anyway just due to simple macro things like not constant probe production, supply blocking, banking minerals so not having a large enough army, turtling rather than expanding so being multiple bases behind. theres not much point analysing your and your opponents strategy if he was just able to produce double the units of you but yes definitely once you notice in post-game results your resources spent is getting as big as your opponent, if not more, and then still losing its time to look at build orders and strategies...unless you both had awful macro | ||
ThePianoDentist
United Kingdom698 Posts
is the illusion of good macro. you may at some point start to think "im keeping my minerals low, therefore my macros now good enough for me to be focussing on strategies more" when in actual fact you are queuing units so if you've got 1k worth of units queued thats as bad as sitting on over 1k minerals so try not to queue units, if you're queueing it probably means you have to build more gateways/factories/hatcheries. | ||
ilion
United States65 Posts
I can never host and rarely join, plus I also get banned a lot. My ping is usually ~70 or so, not bad right? | ||
gvb
United States30 Posts
Start here: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Port_Forwarding There's a lot of threads on port forwarding on TL, too: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=port forward You'll need the make and model of your router (i.e., not the modem--the issue is that the wireless or wired router between the modem and your computer slows down the relay and prevents you from hosting). Hopefully changing the settings on your router is as easy as plugging a wired connection in and adding the settings described in the link I gave you above. If not, msg me on skype (smackolicism) and I'll do my best to help you out. | ||
Achromic
773 Posts
Just don't be afraid of playing on ladder. Try and save all of your replays (don't make lame excuses like I wasn't trying or I lost because I just didn't do this) and review them and see where you went wrong. Write down or remember the mistake and perfect it in the next game. Learn build orders but don't take it to heart, always scout your opponent. And also, don't dedicate yourself to winning to make your account look glorious because this will actually slow your progress down. If you lose, don't rage and think of it as an opportunity to learn. And I see there are teachers in previous posts willing to offer you help. Take it and absorb as much as you can , training under someone is way better than trying to do it yourself. This is how I escaped from being a D to C-, which was probably consumed the most time in climbing the ranks. | ||
ilion
United States65 Posts
On July 29 2011 23:59 gvb wrote: Ilion, Start here: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Port_Forwarding There's a lot of threads on port forwarding on TL, too: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=port forward You'll need the make and model of your router (i.e., not the modem--the issue is that the wireless or wired router between the modem and your computer slows down the relay and prevents you from hosting). Hopefully changing the settings on your router is as easy as plugging a wired connection in and adding the settings described in the link I gave you above. If not, msg me on skype (smackolicism) and I'll do my best to help you out. Thanks for the advice, I will try this when I get home. | ||
pyrogenetix
United Arab Emirates5090 Posts
On July 29 2011 12:02 ninazerg wrote: Show nested quote + On July 29 2011 10:07 pyrogenetix wrote: On July 29 2011 06:16 djbhINDI wrote: On July 25 2011 07:25 ThePianoDentist wrote: im kind of beginner. i've won some games, im like 10-50. if you literally havent played at all, even sc2, i would recommend practicing playing the computer several times to at least get your macro and ability to keep your money low acceptable meaning games will at least be competitive. also remember to forward your ports (6112 port?) if starting so that it lets you host games and stuff. add LePianoDentist on iccup if you want to play a few games against me This. I can consistently own the AI (straight up macro, no weird builds, no cheese) to the point where I haven't lost vs comp in 20 games. I'm 1-23 on iCCup. If you can't beat the AI consistently, don't even think about iCCup yet. Or, more like, don't even think about winning on iCCup yet. I would say don't even bother iccup until you can straight up roll over 2 computers with macro easily. Uh, that seems a little inaccurate. Computers do not play like humans at all, and the BroodWar AI is actually really bad. Playing 2, 3, 4 or however many computers will absolutely not prepare one for playing against people. The AI, however, can provide someone with a skeleton framework of how to play. For example, let's say you play against a Protoss AI. The AI will send out 10 Zealots at a set time (I don't remember the exact time anymore) and then expand. When I started playing BroodWar, this would always kill me. I would try all kinds of tricks to hold it off, like building 15 Photon Cannons to kill the Zealots. The problem with this is that I would be scared of the Zealots attacking right from the moment I started the game. I would be like "omg, zealots are coming, I need to defend myself" so I would build a Forge right away and start making Cannons right away. As I started to play more, I finally realized that the computer always attacks at the same time every game, so I realized I could make more Probes early on, and then could worry about defending the attack later. This type of realization is the result of pattern recognition, which is an important part of playing against human opponents. The problem is, when playing with an AI, the AI has maybe 1-2 strategies per race (unless you download some AIs or make your own) but human strategies, per race, can branch off into many different directions, so being able to recognize strategies, and execute your own, takes repetition, and repetition takes patience. So would I recommend playing against other people? Absolutely. There's a lot more to StarCraft than just macroing. I know where you're coming from but that's not my point at all. Of course your block the computer's first wave with something, then you need to get your macro up to scratch. No getting supply blocked, no stop in worker production, no stop in army production. That is what you should be training into muscle memory. Whether you later do a 1gate expo or 13nex isn't really important. Anyone can play early game. It's midgame where all you people start falling apart letting your money bank up into 1000 minerals then you post a replay here asking for help. Don't worry about builds, get your damn mechanics down. Then you should be flying into D+ C- easy. | ||
TheNessman
United States4158 Posts
But i've actually had decent luck playing on bnet west these last few days, played some one on ones vs people who were better than me, but not iccup good, so i feel it's a good midground above the AI. good luck man! | ||
wcr.4fun
Belgium686 Posts
I am new but I know the general concepts of micro and macro, I have an extensive history in warcraft 3. So I'm no noob. I'm just looking for players to practice with. It would be nice if people better than me (C players and anything above probably) would help me out to learn faster, but I'd love to play versus anyone just even to get some games going because broodwar is so much fun. I'm wcr.4fun on iccup. Add me as a friend and whisper me whenever you want! edit: I just noticed I have post this in the wrong thread. | ||
sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On July 29 2011 18:13 ThePianoDentist wrote: also another thing that helped me get to my epic position of 25% w/l ratio...so yeah take any of my advice with a pinch of salt; is the illusion of good macro. you may at some point start to think "im keeping my minerals low, therefore my macros now good enough for me to be focussing on strategies more" when in actual fact you are queuing units so if you've got 1k worth of units queued thats as bad as sitting on over 1k minerals so try not to queue units, if you're queueing it probably means you have to build more gateways/factories/hatcheries. That and just plain not consistently build workers, so much easier to do in BW. "My macro was perfect never went above 500 minerals, why is his army twice the size of mine " | ||
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United States35 Posts
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HNOblivion
Brazil37 Posts
On July 04 2011 01:40 FlaShFTW wrote: i agree with oxidized. practice a bit in single player, but obviously, the comp will probably just all out rush you first, screw your timings and then you'll be frustrated that you need to start over. but regardless, practice in single player. After you hit start button you can open the slot with the computer, so that you will play without any incovenience at all. | ||
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