Has anyone ever faced this type of play before ? And if so, how can it be stopped ?
Here's rep:-
A little guidance would be appreciated. Thx
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VBNiya
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Has anyone ever faced this type of play before ? And if so, how can it be stopped ? Here's rep:- A little guidance would be appreciated. Thx | ||
puppykiller
United States3125 Posts
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zergisthebest
Vietnam21 Posts
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GeckoXp
Germany2013 Posts
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VBNiya
53 Posts
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VBNiya
53 Posts
On August 21 2014 17:48 puppykiller wrote: Are you sure he was b-? His apm is pretty low. He claimed to be and his record was something like 24-7 C-, usually higher level players have records like that at D+/C-. Also, its not strange for a good player to possess a low APM. If his APM was like 70 or so then that would be surprising but he was around 150 which is not unusual for a B- or higher level player. | ||
TerranZerg
Russian Federation145 Posts
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VBNiya
53 Posts
On August 21 2014 19:17 TerranZerg wrote: And no scouting A map hack ? It occurred to me when I watched the replay. When I was moving out my hydras after he moved out with his army, I noticed that he avoided me despite not seeing each other's army. That stuck out for me but I just thought it to be co-incidence after all, if he had map hack, he would have killed my 4th base in the upper right. It was undefended for quite some time. That is my thinking anyway. | ||
GeckoXp
Germany2013 Posts
On August 21 2014 19:03 VBNiya wrote: I played this on ICCUP. How do you guys know for sure he hacked ? Open the replay with BWChart (if you don't know, use google) Deactivate your nick by double clicking on it Deactivate the seconds check box Look at the command line All his actions done to split on time frame 5 -> that's a fail safe to show he used a pretty popular hack package with the "Auto Gather" feature Edit 1: ^ see Edit 2: Your opponent did NOT have an Anti Hack. You can join ICCup with AH deactivated. Kick these people. They either lag (hard), or they don't even try to conceal their hacks. | ||
vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On August 21 2014 19:27 GeckoXp wrote: Show nested quote + On August 21 2014 19:03 VBNiya wrote: I played this on ICCUP. How do you guys know for sure he hacked ? Open the replay with BWChart (if you don't know, use google) Deactivate your nick by double clicking on it Deactivate the seconds check box Look at the command line All his actions done to split on time frame 5 -> that's a fail safe to show he used a pretty popular hack package with the "Auto Gather" feature ^ see He ain't no LancerX, so he had to resort to cheating to get to B- with 150 apm. | ||
TerranZerg
Russian Federation145 Posts
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GeckoXp
Germany2013 Posts
On August 21 2014 19:44 TerranZerg wrote: So did you ban him, Gecko? I don't have the rights to. Theoretically speaking, it's the OP's job to report the game, so someone from the ladder/CAT team takes care of the case. Since he apparently has no idea how that works, I'm going to report it manually later today if I don't forget. | ||
VBNiya
53 Posts
On August 21 2014 19:27 GeckoXp wrote: Show nested quote + On August 21 2014 19:03 VBNiya wrote: I played this on ICCUP. How do you guys know for sure he hacked ? Open the replay with BWChart (if you don't know, use google) Deactivate your nick by double clicking on it Deactivate the seconds check box Look at the command line All his actions done to split on time frame 5 -> that's a fail safe to show he used a pretty popular hack package with the "Auto Gather" feature Edit 1: ^ see Edit 2: Your opponent did NOT have an Anti Hack. You can join ICCup with AH deactivated. Kick these people. They either lag (hard), or they don't even try to conceal their hacks. Ah thank you very much for taking the time to go into all this detail. I'm familiar with BWChart. I used it a lot in the past. I only started playing BW again about 3 weeks ago after like a 4 year hiatus. Takes time to recall all the finer details of gaming in the BW community. | ||
VBNiya
53 Posts
On August 21 2014 19:27 GeckoXp wrote: Your opponent did NOT have an Anti Hack. You can join ICCup with AH deactivated. Kick these people. They either lag (hard), or they don't even try to conceal their hacks. Doesn't ICCUP have a command that prevents people w/o Anti-Hack from joining ? I think I remembered something like that. My memory is so rusty. On August 21 2014 19:53 GeckoXp wrote: I don't have the rights to. Theoretically speaking, it's the OP's job to report the game, so someone from the ladder/CAT team takes care of the case. Since he apparently has no idea how that works, I'm going to report it manually later today if I don't forget. ICCUP seems to be different from 4 years ago. For one thing, there's hardly any English, alot of my accounts have gone missing and some older threads seem to be glitching out. Trying to find stuff now seems a lot more difficult that I remembered. I can't even remember the etiquette of making reports. I think they had some strict requirements. | ||
zergisthebest
Vietnam21 Posts
Should it be happen, you can make a complaint. Go iccup.com --> support --> starcraft broodwar --> complaint against players, and justice is done :D. Some features help you to know who hacked: - No hotkey, but apm max was very high (about 300) with apm +/- was highly fluctuated --> Because he used multi-select hack. - Auto-mine --> you can see this by using BWchart or BWrepinfo and this happened like aboved mentioned. Or you can see in the replay, when one probe out, it immediately moved to mineral line and other probe was immediately built. (Auto - macro). | ||
Shinrei
United States234 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24917 Posts
On August 21 2014 19:27 GeckoXp wrote: Show nested quote + On August 21 2014 19:03 VBNiya wrote: I played this on ICCUP. How do you guys know for sure he hacked ? Open the replay with BWChart (if you don't know, use google) Deactivate your nick by double clicking on it Deactivate the seconds check box Look at the command line All his actions done to split on time frame 5 -> that's a fail safe to show he used a pretty popular hack package with the "Auto Gather" feature Edit 1: ^ see Edit 2: Your opponent did NOT have an Anti Hack. You can join ICCup with AH deactivated. Kick these people. They either lag (hard), or they don't even try to conceal their hacks. this is quite interesting Gecko. I've played players with no AH before though I dunno if I ever lost a lot to them or not lol. Thanks for the info. | ||
endy
Switzerland8966 Posts
On August 21 2014 19:27 GeckoXp wrote: Show nested quote + On August 21 2014 19:03 VBNiya wrote: I played this on ICCUP. How do you guys know for sure he hacked ? Open the replay with BWChart (if you don't know, use google) Deactivate your nick by double clicking on it Deactivate the seconds check box Look at the command line All his actions done to split on time frame 5 -> that's a fail safe to show he used a pretty popular hack package with the "Auto Gather" feature Edit 1: ^ see Edit 2: Your opponent did NOT have an Anti Hack. You can join ICCup with AH deactivated. Kick these people. They either lag (hard), or they don't even try to conceal their hacks. There is actually another auto-mine pattern, less obvious, that I have met a lot in the past year. It's 15 select worker (x4) 15 move to min 15 select worker 15 move to min 20 select worker 20 move to min 20 select worker 20 move to min | ||
puppykiller
United States3125 Posts
On August 21 2014 19:14 VBNiya wrote: Show nested quote + On August 21 2014 17:48 puppykiller wrote: Are you sure he was b-? His apm is pretty low. He claimed to be and his record was something like 24-7 C-, usually higher level players have records like that at D+/C-. Also, its not strange for a good player to possess a low APM. If his APM was like 70 or so then that would be surprising but he was around 150 which is not unusual for a B- or higher level player. Idk about that. My terran is technically highest ranked at C and I hit C- with it this season with two losses. I think anyone around C rank or higher can do so later in the season. | ||
pheer
5377 Posts
On August 21 2014 22:31 Shinrei wrote: Type /nah in the game lobby to disallow people without antihack from joining the game. Quoting this because it's the best and simplest advice. iCCup is nearly lag-free after doing this too. The only downside is less people that can join, but they would have lagged or hacked anyway, so screw em! | ||
FlaShFTW
United States9661 Posts
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VBNiya
53 Posts
On August 22 2014 17:56 FlaShFTW wrote: lol hi maru, its iwassatan from your clan OMG Whats up dude. Wow. You still play ? And who else do you see from the good old days ? | ||
SolidSMD
Belgium408 Posts
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endy
Switzerland8966 Posts
On August 23 2014 18:33 SolidSMD wrote: Since there's quite some talk about antihack in here, can anyone explain to me how to actually turn antihack on? (yeah, I'm quite new to ICCup :p) You just need to install the iCCup launcher, and start Starcraft using the launcher. | ||
Fuchsteufelswild
Australia2028 Posts
I whizzed through the first half minute at increased speed before remembering I was meant to watch that! It looked like you just didn't power drones at a certain point (above 100 supply, I think it was) when you had some other bases, he didn't either but I think you may have both had three bases at that point, either that or 3 to his 2, but basically you really wanted to be getting more at that stage. After that, you still had a similarly sized army then basically won it until you had no overlords left and his dark templar were cutting your hydras apart and following that, you just never quite had enough and couldn't deal with the combination of having to worry about maintaining detection and dodging storms while dealing with the fast zealots. Minor note - you didn't really use the adrenal glands or +1 mêlée until you had the small amount of ultras later...which you also didn't really use, so +2 missile first would have worked better. I'm too tired now, but I wouldn't be surprised if he just macro-managed a little better after the first big fight at around 105 vs 112 or so supply. If he cheated other than auto-splitting, it must have either had a small effect, or I just didn't notice him gain a ton of resources all of a sudden (I'd guess some time after that battle if so). I didn't think so though. I just thought perhaps someone should actually talk about the game, you know? ;D | ||
Piste
6137 Posts
On August 21 2014 22:31 Shinrei wrote: Type /nah in the game lobby to disallow people without antihack from joining the game. Is there also a way to disallow people without LAN latency? | ||
VBNiya
53 Posts
On August 24 2014 03:56 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: I didn't notice anyone mention the game, because from what I could tell, the only cheat used (if any) was gathering at the start. I whizzed through the first half minute at increased speed before remembering I was meant to watch that! It looked like you just didn't power drones at a certain point (above 100 supply, I think it was) when you had some other bases, he didn't either but I think you may have both had three bases at that point, either that or 3 to his 2, but basically you really wanted to be getting more at that stage. After that, you still had a similarly sized army then basically won it until you had no overlords left and his dark templar were cutting your hydras apart and following that, you just never quite had enough and couldn't deal with the combination of having to worry about maintaining detection and dodging storms while dealing with the fast zealots. Minor note - you didn't really use the adrenal glands or +1 mêlée until you had the small amount of ultras later...which you also didn't really use, so +2 missile first would have worked better. I'm too tired now, but I wouldn't be surprised if he just macro-managed a little better after the first big fight at around 105 vs 112 or so supply. If he cheated other than auto-splitting, it must have either had a small effect, or I just didn't notice him gain a ton of resources all of a sudden (I'd guess some time after that battle if so). I didn't think so though. I just thought perhaps someone should actually talk about the game, you know? ;D Thank you for your input my friend. | ||
dr.shrinker
Norway369 Posts
- Expand more. - Bring more overlords with your army. When retreating with hydras, focus down sairs on the way. - Scourge(s) kills flying units. Corsairs fly. Make more scourge with your army and spread them properly. - Lurkers. Always make lurkers. With the position outside his bridge you could've set up a strong contain which again allows you to 1) expand to more bases safely 2) attack his third/fourth and thereby force him to rush out and try to break the contain. It truly sucks to be forced into a big lurker/hydra-contain without the correct composition. - When holding outside his bridge you're giving away a good position by allowing him to sneak out his army and get a good concave. You can keep your units back with a wider spread to make storms less effective, but leave some hydras in front - they will both spot when the toss tries to move out and allow you to snipe HTs trying to storm and observers. - Send some lings to the expoes it is likely he would expand to next. If you realise a third or fourth is already up when you're still on three bases you're in for a world of trouble as they get saturated unless you can punish it fast. | ||
VBNiya
53 Posts
On September 09 2014 01:01 dr.shrinker wrote: He maphacked aswell. I rushed through the rep, but some pointers; - Expand more. - Bring more overlords with your army. When retreating with hydras, focus down sairs on the way. - Scourge(s) kills flying units. Corsairs fly. Make more scourge with your army and spread them properly. - Lurkers. Always make lurkers. With the position outside his bridge you could've set up a strong contain which again allows you to 1) expand to more bases safely 2) attack his third/fourth and thereby force him to rush out and try to break the contain. It truly sucks to be forced into a big lurker/hydra-contain without the correct composition. - When holding outside his bridge you're giving away a good position by allowing him to sneak out his army and get a good concave. You can keep your units back with a wider spread to make storms less effective, but leave some hydras in front - they will both spot when the toss tries to move out and allow you to snipe HTs trying to storm and observers. - Send some lings to the expoes it is likely he would expand to next. If you realise a third or fourth is already up when you're still on three bases you're in for a world of trouble as they get saturated unless you can punish it fast. Noted. Thanks man :D | ||
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