|
On December 05 2014 02:40 DarkNetHunter wrote:Beyond all the advice you've been given, which will definitely improve your play: If you would like to practice and get some help in a more conversational fashion than a TL thread, you can apply to join one of our teams in the D-C Ranks minileague http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/469553-d-and-c-ranks-minileaguejust write a post and one of the teams will pick you up, even if not field you immediately, you'll have people to practice with and and ask questions as all teams have a Skype group in which they can interact. I've been getting a little bit better, but I'm still terribad.
Also, that tournament is over already.
|
On December 04 2014 09:34 DepressedOne wrote:
I think you're gonna lose interest after one or two weeks.
Let him decide for himself please. Ignore this comment if it was "irony" or something.
On December 05 2014 05:46 Avri wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2014 02:40 DarkNetHunter wrote:Beyond all the advice you've been given, which will definitely improve your play: If you would like to practice and get some help in a more conversational fashion than a TL thread, you can apply to join one of our teams in the D-C Ranks minileague http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/469553-d-and-c-ranks-minileaguejust write a post and one of the teams will pick you up, even if not field you immediately, you'll have people to practice with and and ask questions as all teams have a Skype group in which they can interact. I've been getting a little bit better, but I'm still terribad. Also, that tournament is over already.
It's a league and it seems to be still ongoing.
|
On December 05 2014 02:40 DarkNetHunter wrote:Beyond all the advice you've been given, which will definitely improve your play: If you would like to practice and get some help in a more conversational fashion than a TL thread, you can apply to join one of our teams in the D-C Ranks minileague http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/469553-d-and-c-ranks-minileaguejust write a post and one of the teams will pick you up, even if not field you immediately, you'll have people to practice with and and ask questions as all teams have a Skype group in which they can interact.
i don't think the D/C- is a good place to start for beginners, players should be super good in comparison. Try to connect to some people of your level or slightly higher on ICCup and play some tons of games. Mass and repetition is really important. Don't get too frustrated because you can't beat certain people even if your life depended on it, that's the case for everybody here.
|
ok, i will tell you something nobody told me back in 2002... Start with basic build orders.
Learn how to properly 9pool, then learn how to 9 pool + speed, then 9 pool + expo..., then 12 pool, then 12 hatch expo, and so on... at the same time you are geting used to this really simple builds, you should try to improve at using the keyboard, learning the hotkeys, maybe using control keys, and F keys..
don't rush into the advanced stuff right now, if you try to learn the 5 hatch mass hydra ZvP build, you're alredy fucked cause you don't have the mechanics, nor the knowlegde to pull that strategy off...
Practice the most basic shit you can at first, get a feeling for the game. get a few free wins with 9 pools and simple rushes, then when you feel comfortable with your skill and you improve your mechanics, you can begin to use more complex stuff.
i promise that if you do this, you will both have fun and see how quick you can improve. after a few months you will be hooked with the game.
|
Meh, just have fun. I think if you try to immediately jump into learning to be competitive, you'll just be really frustrated and won't have much fun.
|
Japan11285 Posts
On December 06 2014 13:06 ninazerg wrote: Meh, just have fun. I think if you try to immediately jump into learning to be competitive, you'll just be really frustrated and won't have much fun. You can be competitive without being frustrated about the game. That's how I got into DotA.
|
Okay, I've been practicing against the CPU and beat it a couple of times. Then i go on ICCup and get smashed to pieces. Do I just seclude myself from online play until I can steadily beat the CPU with no problem or forge myself in online brutality?
|
On December 06 2014 13:06 ninazerg wrote: Meh, just have fun. I think if you try to immediately jump into learning to be competitive, you'll just be really frustrated and won't have much fun.
The prophecy is coming true.
I'd recommend playing UMS games :D We can play some together if you want. just pm me if you're interested.
EDIT: I spent 2 years playing casually, mostly playing UMS games. I slowly eased my way into competitive gaming and even then that took another additional year o.o I can't say I enjoy it that much and I get frustrated Take it easy and have fun with it.
|
Japan11285 Posts
On December 07 2014 09:56 Avri wrote: Okay, I've been practicing against the CPU and beat it a couple of times. Then i go on ICCup and get smashed to pieces. Do I just seclude myself from online play until I can steadily beat the CPU with no problem or forge myself in online brutality? Even the the d- ranks on ICCup have enough experience and basic mechanics to beat anyone coming straight from beating AIs. I'd imagine you should keep training a single build while progressively easing yourself into more vs. Human games.
Also, right now ICCup has entered a new season which means everyone's stats are restarted to be D rank. I got smashed today by some 280 apm zerg.
|
Siege Expand against the protoss AI is very tricky they attack with tons of zealots without even scout xD
|
It makes me very happy to see brood war streams having so many viewers. I think people start to realize it is a much better game, maybe the best game ever made.
|
I'm glad people are choosing to spend their time on superior games, but it's kind of shameful to the industry that after all this time, Starcraft 2 is the closest thing we have to a superior BW.
|
Bisutopia19031 Posts
On December 04 2014 00:21 Avri wrote: Okay, so what can I do to improve my macro?
The solution to this problem will be released in less then two weeks.
|
On December 08 2014 01:58 ErlinGho wrote: It makes me very happy to see brood war streams having so many viewers. I think people start to realize it is a much better game, maybe the best game ever made.
It's clearly the best RTS game
And I like RTS the most. Which makes it the best game for me.
But, like a musical instrument, it's not fun in the beginning, when you're learning the basics.
It makes me very happy to see brood war streams having so many viewers. I think people start to realize it is a much better game, maybe the best game ever made.
Most of those are koreans who aren't viewing from Teamliquid.
|
I think it's pretty sad actually that the genre isn't moving forward from core games like Brood War and SupCom after this much time. At least innovative niche stuff is coming out on the side, like Achron and Sins.
|
StarCraft got as good as it got due to luck.
No one who is developing games understands games, and no one who understands games is developing games.
We need developers to get really good at Brood War. Not just good enough to win at it, but to understand what's fun about it.
Or, we need some people who have a good understanding of BW, other RTS games, and good games in general, to learn programming or digital art.
|
|
On December 11 2014 00:22 vOdToasT wrote: StarCraft got as good as it got due to luck.
No one who is developing games understands games, and no one who understands games is developing games.
We need developers to get really good at Brood War. Not just good enough to win at it, but to understand what's fun about it.
Or, we need some people who have a good understanding of BW, other RTS games, and good games in general, to learn programming or digital art.
This is the truth, but I don't think devs are really held back by a poor understanding of the game as much as other things. From what I gather in interviews, Dustin Browder's best projects, including SC2, fell short of his ideals due to conflicts with the dev team and higher-ups. Riot Games' Zileas hasn't been able to translate the fun of BW (for which he was the beta's champion) to any of the other games he's worked on since, each of which attempted broader and broader appeal.
The reason the phrase "Nintendo Hard" exists is that the devs used to be the beta testers as well - and if people who knew every predetermined intricacy of the game weren't having trouble with it, they made the game harder. Exercises in idealism with resounding critical acclaim have been designed by several top-level 2D fighter champions, and they struggle to even carve niches for themselves due to small-scale distribution and limited budgets (Skullgirls seems to be rebounding nicely).
Point is, the biggest problem is the high demand for games that don't really appeal to the nerds who demand competitive depth and nuanced gameplay. Just declare war on "light" games and you're going to get absurdly heavy ones no matter what the designer's credentials are.
|
Canada10904 Posts
On December 07 2014 09:56 Avri wrote: Okay, I've been practicing against the CPU and beat it a couple of times. Then i go on ICCup and get smashed to pieces. Do I just seclude myself from online play until I can steadily beat the CPU with no problem or forge myself in online brutality? Depends where you are having fun. When I first started out, I got smashed hard on iccup, and I had a hard time laddering. I fell back to practicing vs one ai and then two and sometimes three. But I liked to because it was relaxing and I could practice hotkeys, build orders, and keeping money down. But if it's just a grind and feels like a grind, then comp stomping is not much fun. However, at the time, I also had a bunch of friends that played the game in LANs. That was the true fun inbetween getting stomped on iccup.
At some point you will probably have to bite the bullet and get a bunch of losses on iccup... HOWEVER, it's much nicer to be part of a bw low level team. Back in the day, it was sGs for me that I would get practice games from. It's typical to experience 30 losses before your first win on iccup. I had 22? losses before a win, but I played a decent number non-ladder games with sGs inbetween. If I had only laddered, that would've been a much higher number. I really, really sucked when I first joined iccup, haha. I had only ever played on Normal speed, so playing on Fastest just felt out of control.
Now, I think if you asked to join any of the minileague teams, I'm sure L_master would allow late joiners (I know Takk is short on D/D- players). Even if you don't actually play in the tourney, it's nice to be on a bw skype group to get the odd game. And I find losing in practice games a lot less stressful and much more fun then laddering- especially if people are taking the time to analyze what you can improve. But that really depends on you. What format makes BW fun to play for you?
|
Find some really really low level players on iccup, so you can play each other, lose, win and improve together. Granted, it's a lot harder to find many players these days.
For macro, first watch a few pro games to see what's going on. The next big advice is to make a LOT of workers. It depends on the race, but generally, with any race, the first thing you gotta learn is to be producing workers all the time. ALL THE TIME. Then you'll have a lot of money, the second thing you'll learn is trying to spend that money. Then when you start spending the money a bit, you'll learn about attacking and controlling units. Then you'll start refining the previous points, while learning about strategies/tactics/mechanics.
|
|
|
|