Not sure why I mentioned that I was b- one upon a time most of a decade ago, I have to look at this as a completely new game to me for this to work. Plus I don't trust my memory on builds and stuff anyways. Time to go find some new player resources and start learning how to out think my opponent.
Thinking about coming back to playing bw
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
Not sure why I mentioned that I was b- one upon a time most of a decade ago, I have to look at this as a completely new game to me for this to work. Plus I don't trust my memory on builds and stuff anyways. Time to go find some new player resources and start learning how to out think my opponent. | ||
D_ranked_zerg
17 Posts
It's crazy how effective 10/15 gate is in PvT as well as 10/11 gates in PvZ, but those require a bit of micro. | ||
SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
I'm pretty sure even now Fisheye would be a good player. | ||
ninazerg
United States7290 Posts
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On April 23 2015 16:58 SuperJongMan wrote: APM doesn't matter too much. I'm pretty sure even now Fisheye would be a good player. APM mattered to this guy, because he played an apm intensive style Just because there are styles that work with low apm, doesn't mean that "apm doesn't matter much". It matters if you play an apm heavy style. I would recommend a defensive style if you have low apm | ||
GeckoXp
Germany2013 Posts
You also leave open the question whether or not you can play better again, or if the damage was permanent; might be my English missing out on me though. If you can train, train something ordinary. If you can't, I really don't see any kind of strategy, which would help you in the long run. Even if you did what seems logical (vOddy's suggestion), you will have to deal with periods of heavy clicking/typing within any match up: Storms against Zerg with a death ball come into mind, or dealing with a larger terran push, or larger pvp battles. From the top of my head, exclusion of strategies would work best. Maybe not Sair/Reaver/D-Web, more like ordinary FE stuff. | ||
vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
If you can predict what your opponent will do, you can counter it proactively during calm periods, rather than reactively during the battle. PvP will be the hardest to play this way, but you can still do it. Focus on good unit positioning so that you will be able to absorb any frontal attack, while you storm drop him and defend versus his storm drops (observers and cannons, a dark archon with mind control in the ultra late game). This takes good awareness and multi tasking - you must look at the minimap as often as possible. But it does not take apm. It's in your head only. No offense meant, but I do have problems believing you were B-. I'm tired of seeing this shit I got it when I joined TL and it's just fucking dumb So what that it's "the top 25 - 10%"? some one has to be in there. | ||
D_ranked_zerg
17 Posts
On April 24 2015 01:18 vOdToasT wrote: I'm tired of seeing this shit I got it when I joined TL and it's just fucking dumb So what that it's "the top 25 - 10%"? some one has to be in there. He was pointing out how even though OP supposedly has extensive game knowledge, he can't formulate which strategies would work with his handicap despite his B- rank. | ||
Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
He was pointing out how even though OP supposedly has extensive game knowledge, he can't formulate which strategies would work with his handicap despite his B- rank. One does not need extensive game knowledge to be B-. I got to B- with the knowledge of "in PvZ, make dragoons zealots and templars. In PvT, make dragoons zealots and arbiters" That may not work today, as it's become harder to reach B-, but he's not claiming to be B- today. | ||
Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
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D_ranked_zerg
17 Posts
On April 24 2015 02:11 Jaaaaasper wrote: I got to b- with cheese and out microing the other guy, not much knowledge required. my sides | ||
Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
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GeckoXp
Germany2013 Posts
On April 24 2015 01:18 vOdToasT wrote: I'm tired of seeing this shit I got it when I joined TL and it's just fucking dumb So what that it's "the top 25 - 10%"? some one has to be in there. mimimimimimimi The point wasn't that I don't believe what he says, the point is that it's odd he asks for basic stuff, when there are no facts and he's clearly the best person to judge what he could do and what he can't. He isn't asking for specifics, e.g. remodelling the hotkey set-up to release stress or something, he's asking for strategy. Sounds more like a brag opening, to get nicer answers for an utterly pointless question. Everything you told him is true, still doesn't change the fact that he's screwed the more he has to control, regardless of how good he is at minimizing input. | ||
castleeMg
Canada743 Posts
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
On April 24 2015 04:28 GeckoXp wrote: mimimimimimimi The point wasn't that I don't believe what he says, the point is that it's odd he asks for basic stuff, when there are no facts and he's clearly the best person to judge what he could do and what he can't. He isn't asking for specifics, e.g. remodelling the hotkey set-up to release stress or something, he's asking for strategy. Sounds more like a brag opening, to get nicer answers for an utterly pointless question. Everything you told him is true, still doesn't change the fact that he's screwed the more he has to control, regardless of how good he is at minimizing input. Yeah I'm overly proud of the fact that I did something most of a decade ago. I'm trying to come at this with as close as I can get to a clean slate because I really do have to re learn everything, but I phrased that really poorly. | ||
Freakling
Germany1525 Posts
On April 24 2015 02:06 vOdToasT wrote: To wall off ling tight, put your gateway above your forge. As for which buildings are tight vs which cliffs, I recommend trying out walls in single player. Mind control a drone and make your own zerglings, then try different walls. I honestly can't understand how people keep going at these lengths to d this kind of stuff. My suggestion to figure out walls would be to simply get SCMDraft, open a map in the editor and place buildings with "debug/enable debug + show unit collision sizes" enabled... | ||
L_Master
United States7946 Posts
On April 24 2015 00:45 GeckoXp wrote: No offense meant, but I do have problems believing you were B-. You do realize that with such a ranking you belonged to the 25-10% of the BW population of foreigners? Strategies, or at least the basics, didn't really change all that much, if your B- was in a time around ~2006 onwards. That being said, you should know best what kind of stuff you played and if you could still put it to a use with flawed mechanics. You also leave open the question whether or not you can play better again, or if the damage was permanent; might be my English missing out on me though. If you can train, train something ordinary. If you can't, I really don't see any kind of strategy, which would help you in the long run. Even if you did what seems logical (vOddy's suggestion), you will have to deal with periods of heavy clicking/typing within any match up: Storms against Zerg with a death ball come into mind, or dealing with a larger terran push, or larger pvp battles. From the top of my head, exclusion of strategies would work best. Maybe not Sair/Reaver/D-Web, more like ordinary FE stuff. Maybe 5%, B outright was consistently under 1% on ICCup and that included koreans. As much as we joke about B rank players being "bad" it's still fairly rarefied territory. | ||
puppykiller
United States3125 Posts
Honestly though you can figure out most stuff really easily by just watching a number of vods. | ||
SnowFantasy
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