Advocate[S2] from Russia (2nd in Russian prelims) is 3-0 in his group and has won vs. Midas. Holy fuck
Advocate[S2] >>> Midas
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Oxygen
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Advocate[S2] from Russia (2nd in Russian prelims) is 3-0 in his group and has won vs. Midas. Holy fuck | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
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but maybe he didnt | ||
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iNcontroL
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more will come mark my words! | ||
Levu
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i think he threw the game to avoid xellos | ||
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likeboxer
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http://www.fighterforum.com/news/news_read.asp?cat=ETC&idx=2025 | ||
Levu
Germany675 Posts
On October 07 2004 16:37 likeboxer wrote: yeah he threw the game. I read the article about that on fighterforum. http://www.fighterforum.com/news/news_read.asp?cat=ETC&idx=2025 can you give us a short summary of that article plz? | ||
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Orome
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On October 07 2004 16:38 Levu wrote: can you give us a short summary of that article plz? yes plz | ||
Liquid`Drone
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he did like 5 rax mmf in terran vs terran attacked with all units against 10 sieged tanks said gg afterwards and smiled. | ||
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karelen
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Pacifist
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"gg have fun vs xellos :-P" | ||
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baal
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BigBalls
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each player would realize it halfway through and start killing his own shit lol | ||
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Brett
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"he did like 5 rax mmf in terran vs terran attacked with all units against 10 sieged tanks said gg afterwards and smiled." lol so cocky arent they | ||
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SoL.Origin
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now that midas lost, he will only face xellos in the final (previously they would face each other at top 8) also, if foru gets 2nd place he will face xellos top 32, if he gets 1st he will face midas at top 8 | ||
SoL.Origin
Argentina2400 Posts
On October 07 2004 17:07 Orome wrote: Btw, what would happen, if he had said gg after 10 seconds? i tried throwing a game at latincup and they almost banned me from the tourney for next years.. i think its widely considered as lack of sportsmanship :S | ||
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FalliNinLove
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GroT
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WCG has no special rules for this "game length: winner is first to lose all buildings or if opponent gives up" | ||
GroT
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baal
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thecruise
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On October 07 2004 17:02 BigBalls wrote: It would be funny if they both tried to throw the game. each player would realize it halfway through and start killing his own shit lol lol i was just thinking that :D | ||
TH-GP
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[BOyGiRl]ShaRp
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#1 A Swedish reporter was interviewing Xellos and told Xellos how sad he was because he couldn't read Korean. He gets news/results of tourneys through pgr21.com and fighterforum.com and for some articles his english-korean friend translates it for him but not all the articles so he says everytime he wants to read something and he can't, he has tears in his eyes. #2 "Loosing is harder than winning" In order to avoid Korean vs Korean, Midas has to loose on purpose to this russian in game 3. Midas went around from the day before worrying what he has to do in order to loose. He says he didn't want to be considered BM or hurt the Russian guy's feelings and wanted to put up a good game before loosing. #3 The players in WCG are complaining because they can't practice. There aren't any computers in the dormitory(?) and players are complaining they are only getting warmed up while they play actual games for WCG. After the first day of starcraft, Cho Kyu Nam, the head coach of GO, said that his players finally found moniters for their computers brought from Seoul and predicted that the second day will be Korean Day. | ||
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Levu
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Kaotu
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Xellos gonna win wcg, no doubt. | ||
wasted
Germany1789 Posts
maybe there is some undiscovered imbalance! | ||
tfeign
United States2977 Posts
On October 07 2004 17:29 GroT wrote: first one to give up would be the loser WCG has no special rules for this "game length: winner is first to lose all buildings or if opponent gives up" Hold on now, read carefully: "winner is first to lose all buildings or if opponent gives up" ??? | ||
Pacifist
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Smorrie
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On October 07 2004 18:02 wasted wrote: i wonder which race can destroy their main building the fastest when attacking with the inital peons maybe there is some undiscovered imbalance! terran i guess ;o~ | ||
mensrea
Canada5062 Posts
On October 07 2004 17:47 [BOyGiRl]ShaRp wrote: Okay there are three articles in the fighter forum site. #1 A Swedish reporter was interviewing Xellos and told Xellos how sad he was because he couldn't read Korean. He gets news/results of tourneys through pgr21.com and fighterforum.com and for some articles his english-korean friend translates it for him but not all the articles so he says everytime he wants to read something and he can't, he has tears in his eyes. #2 "Loosing is harder than winning" In order to avoid Korean vs Korean, Midas has to loose on purpose to this russian in game 3. Midas went around from the day before worrying what he has to do in order to loose. He says he didn't want to be considered BM or hurt the Russian guy's feelings and wanted to put up a good game before loosing. #3 The players in WCG are complaining because they can't practice. There aren't any computers in the dormitory(?) and players are complaining they are only getting warmed up while they play actual games for WCG. After the first day of starcraft, Cho Kyu Nam, the head coach of GO, said that his players finally found moniters for their computers brought from Seoul and predicted that the second day will be Korean Day. "#2 "Loosing is harder than winning" In order to avoid Korean vs Korean, Midas has to loose on purpose to this russian in game 3. Midas went around from the day before worrying what he has to do in order to loose. He says he didn't want to be considered BM or hurt the Russian guy's feelings and wanted to put up a good game before loosing." The article went to say that "people close to Midas" (his coach? Xellos?) jokingly recommended to Midas that he only produce marines during the whole match. omg, so cruel. | ||
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Elvin_vn
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On October 07 2004 16:54 Liquid`Drone wrote: he threw the game he did like 5 rax mmf in terran vs terran attacked with all units against 10 sieged tanks said gg afterwards and smiled. Pretty dangerous because he might win doing that | ||
Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
On October 07 2004 17:48 Hoops wrote: lose with dignity...omg do you not understand what he did there at all? Top 3 get money. He won't play the best player in there untill the finals, WHEN HE IS IN THE MONEY! I'm pretty sure the money doesn't go to JUST the top 3... if you make a certain ranking youl'l get a small amount of cash. | ||
dopEshoW
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Redcloak
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#1 A Swedish reporter was interviewing Xellos and told Xellos how sad he was because he couldn't read Korean. He gets news/results of tourneys through pgr21.com and fighterforum.com and for some articles his english-korean friend translates it for him but not all the articles so he says everytime he wants to read something and he can't, he has tears in his eyes. d4d did an interview for StarCraftGamers.com with him. #3 The players in WCG are complaining because they can't practice. There aren't any computers in the dormitory(?) and players are complaining they are only getting warmed up while they play actual games for WCG. After the first day of starcraft, Cho Kyu Nam, the head coach of GO, said that his players finally found moniters for their computers brought from Seoul and predicted that the second day will be Korean Day. There are no computers at the hotel, and the players are only allowed to practice just before their match. It's WCG rules. | ||
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TvP On Guillo
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Liquid`Jinro
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On October 07 2004 18:58 Soun wrote: Mmmmm I remember what you all did with Suker and Alfa at WCG Spain. Shouldn't you now put midas in a blacklist just like them? What? He didn't do this to help someone else.. He did this to avoid playing someone.. It is not very nice but it is a whole other ballpark than what they did -- | ||
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Soun
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On October 07 2004 19:05 FrozenArbiter wrote: What? He didn't do this to help someone else.. He did this to avoid playing someone.. It is not very nice but it is a whole other ballpark than what they did -- Maybe he only helped himself, but advocate was put in a bad place with this action. | ||
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lingwu
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On October 07 2004 18:57 Sw1tCh wrote: Midas says he doesnt want to seem BM, but this is one of the most BM things he can do. It seems as though the koreans are trying to make sure the greatest number of them possible have a chance to win it all or at least win money. They should take the luck of the draw, play their best, and leave it at that. Playing like this shows very little sportsmanship. I've lost a little respect for those guys. your american gymnast doesnt want to return the gold medal to the korean.playing like this shows very little sportsmanship. koreans have little respect for those guys..those guy at usa gymnastic association and the gymnast himself. | ||
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RjMandNjW[FyM]
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On October 07 2004 19:32 lingwu wrote: your american gymnast doesnt want to return the gold medal to the korean.playing like this shows very little sportsmanship. koreans have little respect for those guys..those guy at usa gymnastic association and the gymnast himself. What do they have to do with the WCG? Why bring up Americans at all, even though we're not all guilty for whatever Paul Hamm did anyway, the game was between a Russian and a Korean? :| | ||
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racebannon
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darknessteve
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However I feel bad for ForU.. | ||
Addicted`To`Zerg
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simply had fun with a2cate. | ||
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Slaughter
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On October 07 2004 19:32 lingwu wrote: your american gymnast doesnt want to return the gold medal to the korean.playing like this shows very little sportsmanship. koreans have little respect for those guys..those guy at usa gymnastic association and the gymnast himself. Uh what happend in the olympics has nothing to do with what Korean progamers do against what they consider "cute kids trying to be real sc players" in a tournament. It is a very BM thing to do but seriously just bashing USA randomly is getting old -_- | ||
Breeze
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SoL.Origin
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"you have to try or ur banned" (this is not a joke, this were the organizers words translated to english) -_- its funny though | ||
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DoubleStormIII
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I would have done the same no matter what other people would say | ||
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On October 07 2004 16:54 Liquid`Drone wrote: he threw the game he did like 5 rax mmf in terran vs terran attacked with all units against 10 sieged tanks said gg afterwards and smiled. LOOOOOOOL | ||
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Silvanel
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I wish all involve will be thrown out as soon as possible. | ||
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pinbaLL
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On October 07 2004 16:54 Liquid`Drone wrote: he threw the game he did like 5 rax mmf in terran vs terran attacked with all units against 10 sieged tanks said gg afterwards and smiled. GODDAMN! that just.. fucking rocks! :D | ||
pinbaLL
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On October 07 2004 18:57 Sw1tCh wrote: Midas says he doesnt want to seem BM, but this is one of the most BM things he can do. It seems as though the koreans are trying to make sure the greatest number of them possible have a chance to win it all or at least win money. They should take the luck of the draw, play their best, and leave it at that. Playing like this shows very little sportsmanship. I've lost a little respect for those guys. remember he felt bad about it :O | ||
JudasT
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Somebody from the P death group will take care of Midas later MOHAHAHAHAHA (just dreaming) | ||
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exalted
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How do you think you determine "trying"? You cannot remove these kinds of plays from tournament play, and this is not only uncommon but taken for granted in strategy. Who is to say that if Midas tried he would win? You woudl need to prove that if Midas put in "effort" he would win 100%, which is not the case, regardless of how much the skill gap is. Do you think they care whether YOU care if it was "fair play or not?" It's like people going DT rush is newbie and therefore should not have to do it. They come here to WIN, and this is not cheating - Midas could have easily tried to play a good game and screw up. The only reason he might have done it the way he did (I have yet to see the rep) was to preserve some dignity and show to the people of the SC community he was not trying but to the rest of the nonsc gamers at wcg present some kind of "GG". | ||
fw
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On October 08 2004 01:02 [BOyGiRl]ShaRp wrote: Maybe..maybe Midas didn't want to throw the game but maybe he had to. What's different from Korean culture and Western culture is respect for elders. Of course there exists respect for elders in the Western culture but in Korea and elder's words are all there is to it. If the coach of GO and Xellos asked Midas to loose, he has to. He can say no and just win but then he will be hated by Xellos, GO coach, and many other players and fans and be labeled as a kid with no respect. you go too far. that is not the respect. i feel sorry that you call it the culture. | ||
[BOyGiRl]ShaRp
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On October 08 2004 01:27 fw wrote: you go too far. that is not the respect. i feel sorry that you call it the culture. Yea I might have gone a bit too far, juss having wild thoughts^^. | ||
JudasT
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Silvanel
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Lets say Y bets money on X-player winning , then that player lose on porpose. Y loses money, while Z bets money on X losing , and he wins money (no matter how much). The fact that X dont know Y and Z and has nothing to do with their moneys is not important. If that was legal bet, as the governament of the country where Z, Y, X are living allows betting on the game the X is playing. Then while losing on porpose X is commiting a crime. I know that sc in not that kind of sport yet. But it works that way in any competitve sport/gaming activity. Where the money is involved (and there is amoney involved in sc isnt it?) You cant allow a player to select easier way of winning that 20k $, while all others are playing there 100% and facing tougher oponnents. Not becouse funadamental rule of all sport is to play to win but becouse of it is not fair. Maybe we should allow all kind hormons, epo and such things in football , cycyling and all other sports? It is all about strategy.....get better stimulates get adavantage over opponnet in order to win. Isnt Midas in that case is gainning adavantage over the guys who played failry and had to face the favorite Xellos? | ||
TH-GP
Australia226 Posts
On October 08 2004 01:57 Silvanel wrote: In "normal" sports this kind of behavior is not tolreted, i dont know why it should be allowed in sc. The judges dont need to prove anythink for 100%, it enough when it is highly possible that player was not fair , and lose on porpouse in order the gain some advantege from that lose. That player is usally banned, as it is better to harm 100 ungilty than let 1 guilty escape (the policy i dont especialy like but it works that way). Lets say Y bets money on X-player winning , then that player lose on porpose. Y loses money, while Z bets money on X losing , and he wins money (no matter how much). The fact that X dont know Y and Z and has nothing to do with their moneys is not important. If that was legal bet, as the governament of the country where Z, Y, X are living allows betting on the game the X is playing. Then while losing on porpose X is commiting a crime. I know that sc in not that kind of sport yet. But it works that way in any competitve sport/gaming activity. Where the money is involved (and there is amoney involved in sc isnt it?) You cant allow a player to select easier way of winning that 20k $, while all others are playing there 100% and facing tougher oponnents. Not becouse funadamental rule of all sport is to play to win but becouse of it is not fair. Maybe we should allow all kind hormons, epo and such things in football , cycyling and all other sports? It is all about strategy.....get better stimulates get adavantage over opponnet in order to win. Isnt Midas in that case is gainning adavantage over the guys who played failry and had to face the favorite Xellos? i totally agree but theres no evidence of midas intentionally losing on purpose, although we all know he did, if some1 was able to record audio evidence of midas saying he'll intentionally lose to gain an advantage or a chat log or w/e thats only way to disqualify such unfair play but theres no way 2 prove midas intentionally lost and wcg rules regulations doesn't mention those things either so theres really noway 2 to do anything about it unless midas comes out and claims he intentionally lost to gain easier spot in final 32. I wonder how this will affect 2moro's competition | ||
fw
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Silvanel
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PS. I am not saying that Midas is only one who did that, it just a case where it is most obvious. | ||
FirstProbe
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Berg_zerg
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man i really think its SF WCG organisators own fault. Just make a tourney with double elimination after the group stage and that whole shit would not have happend. | ||
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PaleMan
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Player A only knows that he has to face players B,C,D and E. He has no clue - in which group is Player X (Xellos ^_^). Player A will try his best to win all games. | ||
Asian Fever
France269 Posts
HOPE THE NEXT WCG WILL BE BETTER... without problems like rulz,visa ( china,vietnam,peru...) | ||
Esp1noza
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So A2 is a very talented player I think. | ||
Taguchi
Greece1575 Posts
quite a few basketball tournies have the teams picking opponents in their final games(but usually their respective opponents do the same thing and hilarity ensues) its not good sportsmanship, but this is not a friendly tournament either, and i for one have nothing against it like paleman said, the organizers could come up with solutions if they really tried the players/teams/whatever arent at fault for trying to improve their chances | ||
NeverTheEndlessWiz
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2-the manager of coz will want the 3 SumaGO members to do well 3-It can be "calculated" any questions? =P | ||
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jtan
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RamenStyle
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Btw, about this gymnastics korea/usa thingy. Seems like there was some polemic, can anyone explain the details, pls? | ||
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Chris307
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On October 07 2004 16:31 Levu wrote: isnt ddangs best matchup TvT? i think he threw the game to avoid xellos His TvP is intense. Just, ridiculously good. Even as compared to other more known Korean pros. I'd say his best is TvP, followed by TvT, his worst being TvZ. | ||
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Chris307
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There's absolutely nothing wrong with it. It's perfectly fair-play. This does not hurt his "manner level." | ||
exalted
United States3612 Posts
Sorry, I acted kinda touchy on my previous post, and the guy from Poland (forgot your name sorry) presented really good arguments about possible solutions and why he felt it was unfair (although that betting analogy wasn't really clear). Chris307, what have you seen that makes you feel his Tvp is that intense? Any reps you can share? | ||
DoubleStormIII
Korea (South)2610 Posts
Of course Midas doesn't want to face him. He would have felt bad if he actually went to face Xellos and had to either win or lose. | ||
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gogogobomb
China114 Posts
2)its up to their national honor.maybe they have too.i heard that in pro team,progamers should obey the coach,i guess the coach ask midas to take a dive and he himself is willing to do so. 3)to avoid this,wcg should learn from olympic games.in table-tennis and some other games, a nation only has one player,or all the players of the same nation should be in the same half. 4)see the euro-champion league,set the lineups after group matches. | ||
bioboyAT
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On October 08 2004 07:22 DoubleStormIII wrote: Well I said already, but Xellos is a Korean, a GO team leader, and his mentor. Of course Midas doesn't want to face him. He would have felt bad if he actually went to face Xellos and had to either win or lose. 100% agree! It's so different, if you just don't want to face a player because he's good, than if you don't want to face him, because he's on the same team as you. And also: Midas is out of Star League. This is his biggest chance to become well-known (look at ogogo, the same thing happened to him). If he comes in 2nd, and Xellos 1st, people will still think, that he's very skilled and has alot of talent, but he just happened to lose vs. the perfect Terran. But if he loses to Xellos before the finals, 1) he does not have a good rank and 2) people will say things like 'android would've beaten him two' or things like that. I don't think, he liked throwing the game away, but if this tournament is so important for you, everyone here would've done it, I think. | ||
Brown
Afghanistan367 Posts
Instead of following the rules, the Koreans think they're above it. Now a person who would not have to face Xellos in the original draw has to, how is it fair for him? It's an issue of sportsmanship, if you want the world to take your "sport" seriously, you don't allow things like this to happen. There would be outrage and an investigation if something like this happened in the olympics and since the WCG is trying to be the gaming olympics, it's an apt comparsion. Midas obviously knows its not the right thing to do, because if he thought it were, he would have just left in the first minute or not even even played. Instead Midas pretended and put on a show, using a strategy though unconventional and stupid, but if questioned he could defend. It's sickening how amoral these Koreans act. | ||
Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On October 08 2004 08:16 Brown wrote: Throwing the game is bullshit. Instead of following the rules, the Koreans think they're above it. Now a person who would not have to face Xellos in the original draw has to, how is it fair for him? It's an issue of sportsmanship, if you want the world to take your "sport" seriously, you don't allow things like this to happen. There would be outrage and an investigation if something like this happened in the olympics and since the WCG is trying to be the gaming olympics, it's an apt comparsion. Midas obviously knows its not the right thing to do, because if he thought it were, he would have just left in the first minute or not even even played. Instead Midas pretended and put on a show, using a strategy though unconventional and stupid, but if questioned he could defend. It's sickening how amoral these Koreans act. read my post -_- you'd do exactly the same | ||
Chris307
3095 Posts
On October 08 2004 08:16 Brown wrote: Throwing the game is bullshit. Instead of following the rules, the Koreans think they're above it. Now a person who would not have to face Xellos in the original draw has to, how is it fair for him? It's an issue of sportsmanship, if you want the world to take your "sport" seriously, you don't allow things like this to happen. There would be outrage and an investigation if something like this happened in the olympics and since the WCG is trying to be the gaming olympics, it's an apt comparsion. Midas obviously knows its not the right thing to do, because if he thought it were, he would have just left in the first minute or not even even played. Instead Midas pretended and put on a show, using a strategy though unconventional and stupid, but if questioned he could defend. It's sickening how amoral these Koreans act. Retard. | ||
Tress
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Muhweli
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On October 07 2004 16:54 Liquid`Drone wrote: he threw the game he did like 5 rax mmf in terran vs terran attacked with all units against 10 sieged tanks said gg afterwards and smiled. no he played 100%!!!! | ||
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Brown
Afghanistan367 Posts
On October 08 2004 08:26 Tress wrote: throwing a game is normal in sports. this way midas and xellos can both try to get into the top3, and both can try to win some money. I guess it's a difference culture, in the socalist heaven of Europe, where all morality is relative, throwing a game is fine, but where I live it's consider cheating and in all sports is prohibited. | ||
gogogobomb
China114 Posts
On October 08 2004 08:16 Brown wrote: Throwing the game is bullshit. Instead of following the rules, the Koreans think they're above it. Now a person who would not have to face Xellos in the original draw has to, how is it fair for him? It's an issue of sportsmanship, if you want the world to take your "sport" seriously, you don't allow things like this to happen. There would be outrage and an investigation if something like this happened in the olympics and since the WCG is trying to be the gaming olympics, it's an apt comparsion. Midas obviously knows its not the right thing to do, because if he thought it were, he would have just left in the first minute or not even even played. Instead Midas pretended and put on a show, using a strategy though unconventional and stupid, but if questioned he could defend. It's sickening how amoral these Koreans act. of course its unfair to russian,but there are other aspects.for koreans,maybe the ranking is the first thing they think.for others, maybe not.i think most of the people there are playing for fun,or more seriously for his country.if i were there,i wanna be the opponent of xellos and save the rep as my favorite.its great honor whether win or lose,right?well,i should say i just have a thought of sc fans. | ||
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Braavos36362 Posts
those two are the two best at the tournament. it's a strategic play and perfectly legitimate one. you give yourself the best chance to win the tournament. if midas is good enough to drop a game on purpose and still qualify, more power to him. if he wants to lose on purpose to avoid xellos let him. there's nothing in the rules that says you "have to try" or "you have to play your best to show quality games to spectators." they are trying to win and doing this gives them the best chance. when you are a competitor you do everything in your power to do so. there's no reason people should be criticizing them. there's nothing in the official rules about this, so it's perfectly fine. if WCG wanted to avoid this they should've made it double elimination in the brackets. frankly i'd consider midas a bad player if he DIDN'T do something about facing Xellos before the finals. | ||
fbs
United Kingdom2476 Posts
I haven't bothered reading the rules on the WCG website as I don't care enough too but I'm sure if these guys are professional gamers then they should know them and wouldn't be going out of their way to break them so blatantly. The exact same situation has happened in previous world cups (football) and examples of games were teams are not fully trying to win happens all the time in the champions league every year so don't anyone try and limit this behaviour to WCG. | ||
Freezer_au
Australia1459 Posts
Have to add that Midas what he did was pretty smart. If 25k is at stake I would do the same thing. | ||
prower
15 Posts
if you're reading this, watch out midas =/ | ||
Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
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Yuljan
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Ash
Malaysia1978 Posts
On October 08 2004 09:06 prower wrote: uhoh, some of my friends from Russia went to WCG this year, and they say that what midas did not only insulted Advocate, but also their entire country... they say they're going to try to "catch midas alone" sometime between now and tomorrow and "teach him a lesson". i tried to stop them but they seem pretty intent on doing it... if you're reading this, watch out midas =/ that'd be retarded | ||
jtan
Sweden5891 Posts
On October 08 2004 09:06 prower wrote: uhoh, some of my friends from Russia went to WCG this year, and they say that what midas did not only insulted Advocate, but also their entire country... they say they're going to try to "catch midas alone" sometime between now and tomorrow and "teach him a lesson". i tried to stop them but they seem pretty intent on doing it... if you're reading this, watch out midas =/ Omg! Thats riddiculus, someone stop them-_- Didnt something like this happen last year too? I cant remember what it was exactly but i remember i laughed.,.;; post link plz | ||
Silvanel
Poland4597 Posts
If system is not valid it doesnt mean you can expliot that weakness, it is not fair nor it is legitimate. Doing so is usally restricted and punished by ban, if something like this would happend in any "real" sport responsible would be punished for sure (and almost always not only by discualfiation in that event, but for long period of time). The fact that thos kind of behavior is tolreted in WCG truly shows how far sc (and other copmuter games) is from being a "real" sport. | ||
Silvanel
Poland4597 Posts
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Chris307
3095 Posts
On October 08 2004 08:44 Brown wrote: I guess it's a difference culture, in the socalist heaven of Europe, where all morality is relative, throwing a game is fine, but where I live it's consider cheating and in all sports is prohibited. Where do you live? Afghanistan? Quit being such a shithead, it's not cheating | ||
Chris307
3095 Posts
YOU ALL HAVE SAND IN YOUR VAGINAS. | ||
Hautamaki
Canada1311 Posts
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jtan
Sweden5891 Posts
On October 08 2004 09:39 Silvanel wrote: Aspeak was Russian victim if i remember correctly Yeah! Thats it...they insulted eachother and then 5 drunk russians broke french teams door in the night and started to fight or something. haha! Someone has the link? I searched for wcg in the forum and found like 100 topics with wcg in title-_- | ||
jtan
Sweden5891 Posts
On October 08 2004 09:26 Silvanel wrote: If you found a bug in game (or playing system, or whatever) and exploit it, in order gain advantage over other players it is cheating. It would be banned even in computer games. Try doing so in any good mmorpg, we all know that you would be banned. If system is not valid it doesnt mean you can expliot that weakness, it is not fair nor it is legitimate. Doing so is usally restricted and punished by ban, if something like this would happend in any "real" sport responsible would be punished for sure (and almost always not only by discualfiation in that event, but for long period of time). The fact that thos kind of behavior is tolreted in WCG truly shows how far sc (and other copmuter games) is from being a "real" sport. But hey...losing intentionally is not a bug right? | ||
Yarertz
Djibouti1891 Posts
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exalted
United States3612 Posts
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On October 08 2004 10:00 exalted wrote: Why couldn't midas have just played a bad tvt with gol tank? It's hard to play bad on purpose... | ||
exalted
United States3612 Posts
Watch what the fuck you say you dumbfuck. | ||
exalted
United States3612 Posts
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Hautamaki
Canada1311 Posts
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On October 08 2004 10:12 Hautamaki wrote: Brown was joking when he said he was from Afghanistan. Or did you not know that? is that supposed to be funny? | ||
exalted
United States3612 Posts
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mensrea
Canada5062 Posts
On October 08 2004 10:19 exalted wrote: Hautamaki do you still believe hotkeys are useless? I remember you made a post a while ago about how you thought that they weren't really necessary... Ouch. | ||
mensrea
Canada5062 Posts
On October 07 2004 20:14 darknessteve wrote: However I feel bad for ForU.. Don't. If forU brings his "A" game (and he made it through the WCG Korea prelims, so there's every reason to believe he's firing on all cylinders), it's midas and xellos you should be feeling sorry for. | ||
nvnplatypus
Netherlands1300 Posts
On October 07 2004 17:29 GroT wrote: first one to give up would be the loser WCG has no special rules for this "game length: winner is first to lose all buildings or if opponent gives up" Pre-game warmups consist of both players spamming gg-enter-gg-enter-gg-enter-gg-enter-gg-enter | ||
Silvanel
Poland4597 Posts
Now go to sleep. | ||
DaZe
Sweden2111 Posts
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jtan
Sweden5891 Posts
On October 08 2004 09:52 Yarertz wrote: WTF maybe this was he's secret BO and he lost ;p maybe not -_- | ||
jtan
Sweden5891 Posts
Yes its really hard; what midas did was probably the best thing, it didnt really look like loosing on purpose, and still he had no chance. He is experienced^^ | ||
KiLLme1st
United States1824 Posts
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Gp.Lao
Belgium445 Posts
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OhThatDang
United States4685 Posts
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Soun
Poland373 Posts
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Chris307
3095 Posts
On October 08 2004 13:23 Soun wrote: Hey, ppl, have you seen the replay? I almost puked. Even a newbie like me would've beaten midas if he played like that. That was the goal you fool. | ||
Capulet
Canada686 Posts
On October 07 2004 16:54 Liquid`Drone wrote: he threw the game he did like 5 rax mmf in terran vs terran attacked with all units against 10 sieged tanks said gg afterwards and smiled. If that isn't style, I don't know what is. | ||
BroOd
Austin10831 Posts
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LetMeBeWithYou
Canada4254 Posts
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Cresfy
Israel977 Posts
take a look http://www.worldcybergames.com/tournament/tr_2004_bracket.asp?mode=single&i_s_itemno=240 they wrote midas twice, and the russian player isnt even appearing in the 32 round so i guess we'll know what was the course of action he should have taken, winning or losing on purpose, since he's gonna play as if he both won and lost ;p | ||
exalted
United States3612 Posts
That was a cheapshot, I know, I'm sure he'll change his mind once he sees the people playing in person and the speed that these players play at - Hautamaki has done tons of work to help the BW community and his website is very informative, I was banging my head against the wall the time he made that post about hotkeys T_T. | ||
TreK
Sweden2089 Posts
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PuertoRican
United States5709 Posts
this probably wont get closed, since all the ban happy admins are here at the event and are too busy, enjoy it while you can ;P | ||
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