On August 21 2012 14:39 Nikon wrote: I'm going to be the most active KT fan ever, I promise. Gotta reach 6k posts by the end of the thread.
wat if you manage to do that i'll... be very sad
anyway, KT has to win to keep its hopes alive... should be interesting
Why would you be sad? Also, you have an Ace icon!
if you manage to make 2000 posts in the next 3 hours or so, you're a madman.
And yes, but I would really rather have KT make the playoffs than certain other teams...
Eh, I'm not at that level of spamming. I imagine actually reaching that level in a single thread is grounds for... punishment?
Do you want to see SKT T1 drop out? Do tell
Does anyone know who's eligible for playing which game today, by the way?
Does playing in ACE match force you to play BW, or does it not count for eligibility. flash and stats both played SCBW last time but stats played ace if that helps
On August 21 2012 14:39 Nikon wrote: I'm going to be the most active KT fan ever, I promise. Gotta reach 6k posts by the end of the thread.
wat if you manage to do that i'll... be very sad
anyway, KT has to win to keep its hopes alive... should be interesting
Why would you be sad? Also, you have an Ace icon!
if you manage to make 2000 posts in the next 3 hours or so, you're a madman.
And yes, but I would really rather have KT make the playoffs than certain other teams...
Eh, I'm not at that level of spamming. I imagine actually reaching that level in a single thread is grounds for... punishment?
Do you want to see SKT T1 drop out? Do tell
Does anyone know who's eligible for playing which game today, by the way?
Does playing in ACE match force you to play BW, or does it not count for eligibility. flash and stats both played SCBW last time but stats played ace if that helps
I don't think Ace match counts. So likely, they're both going to play SC2 this time around. But I was asking for a general roster for both teams. But nevermind.
On August 21 2012 14:39 Nikon wrote: I'm going to be the most active KT fan ever, I promise. Gotta reach 6k posts by the end of the thread.
wat if you manage to do that i'll... be very sad
anyway, KT has to win to keep its hopes alive... should be interesting
Why would you be sad? Also, you have an Ace icon!
if you manage to make 2000 posts in the next 3 hours or so, you're a madman.
And yes, but I would really rather have KT make the playoffs than certain other teams...
Eh, I'm not at that level of spamming. I imagine actually reaching that level in a single thread is grounds for... punishment?
Do you want to see SKT T1 drop out? Do tell
Does anyone know who's eligible for playing which game today, by the way?
Does playing in ACE match force you to play BW, or does it not count for eligibility. flash and stats both played SCBW last time but stats played ace if that helps
I don't think Ace match counts. So likely, they're both going to play SC2 this time around. But I was asking for a general roster for both teams. But nevermind.
On August 21 2012 14:39 Nikon wrote: I'm going to be the most active KT fan ever, I promise. Gotta reach 6k posts by the end of the thread.
wat if you manage to do that i'll... be very sad
anyway, KT has to win to keep its hopes alive... should be interesting
Why would you be sad? Also, you have an Ace icon!
if you manage to make 2000 posts in the next 3 hours or so, you're a madman.
And yes, but I would really rather have KT make the playoffs than certain other teams...
Eh, I'm not at that level of spamming. I imagine actually reaching that level in a single thread is grounds for... punishment?
Do you want to see SKT T1 drop out? Do tell
Does anyone know who's eligible for playing which game today, by the way?
Does playing in ACE match force you to play BW, or does it not count for eligibility. flash and stats both played SCBW last time but stats played ace if that helps
I don't think Ace match counts. So likely, they're both going to play SC2 this time around. But I was asking for a general roster for both teams. But nevermind.
oh... sorry im useless TT.TT
Eh, don't worry. I'll just have to wait for the games I'll be happy if I can just see Fla see Fl Fl Fffffffffff I can't say it.
On August 21 2012 14:39 Nikon wrote: I'm going to be the most active KT fan ever, I promise. Gotta reach 6k posts by the end of the thread.
wat if you manage to do that i'll... be very sad
anyway, KT has to win to keep its hopes alive... should be interesting
Why would you be sad? Also, you have an Ace icon!
if you manage to make 2000 posts in the next 3 hours or so, you're a madman.
And yes, but I would really rather have KT make the playoffs than certain other teams...
Eh, I'm not at that level of spamming. I imagine actually reaching that level in a single thread is grounds for... punishment?
Do you want to see SKT T1 drop out? Do tell
Does anyone know who's eligible for playing which game today, by the way?
Does playing in ACE match force you to play BW, or does it not count for eligibility. flash and stats both played SCBW last time but stats played ace if that helps
I don't think Ace match counts. So likely, they're both going to play SC2 this time around. But I was asking for a general roster for both teams. But nevermind.
oh... sorry im useless TT.TT
Eh, don't worry. I'll just have to wait for the games I'll be happy if I can just see Fla see Fl Fl Fffffffffff I can't say it.
On August 21 2012 14:39 Nikon wrote: I'm going to be the most active KT fan ever, I promise. Gotta reach 6k posts by the end of the thread.
wat if you manage to do that i'll... be very sad
anyway, KT has to win to keep its hopes alive... should be interesting
Why would you be sad? Also, you have an Ace icon!
if you manage to make 2000 posts in the next 3 hours or so, you're a madman.
And yes, but I would really rather have KT make the playoffs than certain other teams...
Eh, I'm not at that level of spamming. I imagine actually reaching that level in a single thread is grounds for... punishment?
Do you want to see SKT T1 drop out? Do tell
Does anyone know who's eligible for playing which game today, by the way?
Does playing in ACE match force you to play BW, or does it not count for eligibility. flash and stats both played SCBW last time but stats played ace if that helps
I don't think Ace match counts. So likely, they're both going to play SC2 this time around. But I was asking for a general roster for both teams. But nevermind.
oh... sorry im useless TT.TT
Eh, don't worry. I'll just have to wait for the games I'll be happy if I can just see Fla see Fl Fl Fffffffffff I can't say it.
On August 21 2012 15:09 Nikon wrote: Yeah, this looks like it's going to go to muta ^^ Nice.
nope. hive tech ezpz :D
On August 21 2012 15:09 Darneck wrote: It's a shame that KT can only advance if SKT doesn't or is there some strange combination of wins and losses that could get them both to advance?
Hah, almost built a sunken by mistake. Still losing drones tho T_T What are the chances that Great uses lurkers to bust the backdoor for a ling allin? Well shit, CH is murdering those drones man. That's not the best anti-scourge control I've seen. He lost what, 2 mutas to just scourge?
On August 21 2012 15:37 Kleinmuuhg wrote: KT does not need a 4:0 -,-
Yeah, but a 4-0 is good just in case the STX vs CJ and/or their game vs stars ends up being close. Their best way to get differentials is vs ace so they should aim for a 4-0 here.
On August 21 2012 15:31 Darneck wrote: I want Xanadu to win this one to just get more games but in the end I want KT winning.
KT needs a 4-0, not more games!
Seems like there won't be an esportstv stream today...
Whether they need 4-0 or not which I believe they don't, I still don't want KT advancing as I rather have SKT advancing. The best would be Khan, T8, SKT and KT but I'll settle with CJ instead of KT.
On August 21 2012 15:37 Kleinmuuhg wrote: KT does not need a 4:0 -,-
Yeah, but a 4-0 is good just in case the STX vs CJ and/or their game vs stars ends up being close.
of course 4:0 is ideal, but they have to get a map score of +4/+5 (minus the map score loss by Cj/STX) in 2 wins.. +2 map score should be enough. But yeah, the coaches will aim for 4:0 as well I think. Stats/Flash first/second sc2
On August 21 2012 15:37 Kleinmuuhg wrote: KT does not need a 4:0 -,-
Yeah, but a 4-0 is good just in case the STX vs CJ and/or their game vs stars ends up being close.
of course 4:0 is ideal, but they have to get a map score of +4/+5 (minus the map score loss by Cj/STX) in 2 wins.. +2 map score should be enough. But yeah, the coaches will aim for 4:0 as well I think. Stats/Flash first/second sc2
It is pretty common to have mirrors in PL because of the map balance and team's racial strength. =( piano vs barrack....why no fbh..what happen to him?
On August 21 2012 15:57 Maghetti wrote: Is it just me or does KT have no good bw players left to use?
Yeah, all the big guns are in SC2. I'll be impressed if they could take this BW set today.
It's actually pretty good. Action, Flash, Hoejja, Stats, Mind in SC2 today. Half of them will be in BW and the rest remains in SC2 for the stars match.
I am not sure what makes me more amused; Sayle's reaction to stream coming back and the game state being completely changed or Piano being so so very nice.
On August 21 2012 16:27 Burns wrote: i feel like im the only one rooting for ace here
wut wut only KT fans (and possibly some T8 fans who don't care) root for KT here everyone else wants KT to die early and not even theoretically threaten the rest of us
On August 21 2012 16:27 Burns wrote: i feel like im the only one rooting for ace here
wut wut only KT fans (and possibly some T8 fans who don't care) root for KT here everyone else wants KT to die early and not even theoretically threaten the rest of us
On August 21 2012 16:27 Burns wrote: i feel like im the only one rooting for ace here
wut wut only KT fans (and possibly some T8 fans who don't care) root for KT here everyone else wants KT to die early and not even theoretically threaten the rest of us
On August 21 2012 16:27 Burns wrote: i feel like im the only one rooting for ace here
wut wut only KT fans (and possibly some T8 fans who don't care) root for KT here everyone else wants KT to die early and not even theoretically threaten the rest of us
Chavi seemed to read the whole build wrong... he was expecting a drop when Flash was moving in with marauder+marines and then died after with bad positioning and little to no units.
On August 21 2012 16:45 figq wrote: When I play random, I still can't figure out how to defend such attacks in PvT. Any help?
Forcefield well and have units.
I really feel like I must have missed something in that game to understand why Chavi had so little. You can get out a Colossus by that point, or a couple of supporting immortals, along with a good chunk of gateway units...but Chavi somehow had no units, an immortal only just on the way and the only tech he was on was +1 armour and researching blink?
On August 21 2012 16:48 Burns wrote: i dont really understand what flash did, but the protoss, man that protoss
Flash just made units and killed him. But it is not an optimal build against protoss that make units. I think Flash went in before the medivacs were even there because he saw no units. But with units and decent forcefields, protoss can hold that stim timing off pretty easily.
On August 21 2012 16:45 figq wrote: When I play random, I still can't figure out how to defend such attacks in PvT. Any help?
Make units. Chavi thought the pressure was over and just committed to his tech too early.
The natural choke seems so open on this map. Terran uses bunkers and it's fine. Should protoss make a cannon or two?
You do not need cannons. You need to have more than 10 units. 3 forcefields will split the bio in half on the ramp. Let your army do the rest. Unfortunately, chavi had 0 units for some reason.
On August 21 2012 16:48 Burns wrote: i dont really understand what flash did, but the protoss, man that protoss
Flash just made units and killed him. But it is not an optimal build against protoss that make units. I think Flash went in before the medivacs were even there because he saw no units. But with units and decent forcefields, protoss can hold that stim timing off pretty easily.
he went in when medivacs ur like a secon behind the marines.
On August 21 2012 16:48 Burns wrote: i dont really understand what flash did, but the protoss, man that protoss
Flash just made units and killed him. But it is not an optimal build against protoss that make units. I think Flash went in before the medivacs were even there because he saw no units. But with units and decent forcefields, protoss can hold that stim timing off pretty easily.
you know day9 is really smart. i think a perfect analogy of him can be seen with this "if i see that he has no units... well... then i guess just go fucking kill him"
If Stats doesnt win this that would mean KT would only get +1 from the win, which would mean their win against Stars would have to be very high and the Cj/Stx match cant be close!
ok so it looks like flash is going to do the standard bio medivac pressure at ~10 mins and kal should be getting blink, and well have to see if he decides to go storm of collosus first
Forget the floating, I'm confused as to why Flash didn't see the storm drop coming... didn't the WP clearly fly over several buildings before storm dropping, or am I remembering incorrectly? Did he just not see it on the minimap? I expected Flash to have better map awareness...
ACE FTW! Now ACE has to beat SKT! KT without play-off. They will use this time for total sc2 practice and FLasH will come back next season as the best terran in the world!
On August 21 2012 17:40 rysecake wrote: Flash had some shit macro. Floating 1.8k minerals and 700 gas going bio? da fuq
Oh, wow, that's pretty terrible. A lot of those battles were small, scrappy fights. Even 10-15 more marines could have completely flipped that game (not to mention vikings).
And then he left all his medivacs in the middle of the map to just die....
On August 21 2012 17:40 rysecake wrote: Flash had some shit macro. Floating 1.8k minerals and 700 gas going bio? da fuq
Oh, wow, that's pretty terrible. A lot of those battles were small, scrappy fights. Even 10-15 more marines could have completely flipped that game (not to mention vikings).
And then he left all his medivacs in the middle of the map to just die....
I think Flash might've actually choked.
definitely did... really late ghosts, delayed reaction to the colossus switch, no conc shell, getting out multitasked by kal overall, just poor play
On August 21 2012 17:41 HolyArrow wrote: Forget the floating, I'm confused as to why Flash didn't see the storm drop coming... didn't the WP clearly fly over several buildings before storm dropping, or am I remembering incorrectly? Did he just not see it on the minimap? I expected Flash to have better map awareness...
yes, and iirc the wp even crossed two medivacs right before it flew over the depots...
On August 21 2012 17:41 HolyArrow wrote: Forget the floating, I'm confused as to why Flash didn't see the storm drop coming... didn't the WP clearly fly over several buildings before storm dropping, or am I remembering incorrectly? Did he just not see it on the minimap? I expected Flash to have better map awareness...
Nah he didn't see them coming from what i remember. Only thing that's questionable for me is that Flash's ghosts were really late.
On August 21 2012 17:41 Caesarion wrote: So, send Flash/Stats to MLG?
even better, send 3-4 best players to MLG (-> lose ez to Stars ^^)
I really wanna see Jaedong vs Taeja.
What's this about sending players to MLG? I don't see any KeSPA players on the player list for Summer Championship
there are 8 unannounced seeds into the group play thing so everyone thinks It's going to be kespa players.
Honestly, I think people were just getting ahead of themselves with the Kespa players. The schedule just didn't work out due to PL (where the last weekend usually matters for making the playoffs and seeding). I think due to that fact that some GSL players skipping arenas for GSL/GSTL etc. MLG is seeding them back in so they don't have to go through open bracket. Also, it might be for some EU players who normally do not attend MLGs.
Yeah, ACE is butthurt because they always can't make it to the PO, so they're bringing others down with them.
U started it, u better go all the way.
On August 21 2012 17:51 ne4aJIb wrote: OMG, this means that next time against Woongjin we are gonna see the last time Flash playing Broodwar. I am so sad. T_T
On August 21 2012 17:41 Caesarion wrote: So, send Flash/Stats to MLG?
even better, send 3-4 best players to MLG (-> lose ez to Stars ^^)
I really wanna see Jaedong vs Taeja.
What's this about sending players to MLG? I don't see any KeSPA players on the player list for Summer Championship
there are 8 unannounced seeds into the group play thing so everyone thinks It's going to be kespa players.
Oh, that makes sense.
Presumably the "KeSPA Seven" who made it into WCS: By.Sun (who is now By.Rain in SC2. Subtle commentary?), Jaedong, Reality, Effort, hero[join], Roro, Soulkey. And then the 8th would be....I can see Flash, just for the name recognition. He'll have to play better than that, though. I seriously think Scarlett could beat him right now, to say nothing of MVP or Taeja. Or Jaedong, for that matter.
On August 21 2012 17:51 ne4aJIb wrote: OMG, this means that next time against Woongjin we are gonna see the last time Flash playing Broodwar. I am so sad. T_T
Inb4 Flash not even in the stars match lol.
Actually, if he does go to MLG then yea... his last BW match will have been vs Tyson.
Given that JD caught up in just a few months and he didn't, maybe Flash should consider retiring. With the advent of SC2 it's about how fast+well you adapt, and Flash hasn't been showing up for it. He's made a lot of cash already anyway
On August 21 2012 18:38 sinigang wrote: Given that JD caught up in just a few months and he didn't, maybe Flash should consider retiring. With the advent of SC2 it's about how fast+well you adapt, and Flash hasn't been showing up for it. He's made a lot of cash already anyway
:/, we'll see how he performs in the OSL before judging anything.
On August 21 2012 18:38 sinigang wrote: Given that JD caught up in just a few months and he didn't, maybe Flash should consider retiring. With the advent of SC2 it's about how fast+well you adapt, and Flash hasn't been showing up for it. He's made a lot of cash already anyway
:/, we'll see how he performs in the OSL before judging anything.
and I highly doubt he will retire anytime soon.
I preferred your first response Blind, and I hope you're wrong about ACE.........
On August 21 2012 18:38 sinigang wrote: Given that JD caught up in just a few months and he didn't, maybe Flash should consider retiring. With the advent of SC2 it's about how fast+well you adapt, and Flash hasn't been showing up for it. He's made a lot of cash already anyway
I thought of a million responses to this, but a simple "No" is the best I think. NO.
On August 21 2012 18:38 sinigang wrote: Given that JD caught up in just a few months and he didn't, maybe Flash should consider retiring. With the advent of SC2 it's about how fast+well you adapt, and Flash hasn't been showing up for it. He's made a lot of cash already anyway
I thought of a million responses to this, but a simple "No" is the best I think. NO.
Maybe because it isn't worth reacting to this guy?
On August 21 2012 18:38 sinigang wrote: Given that JD caught up in just a few months and he didn't, maybe Flash should consider retiring. With the advent of SC2 it's about how fast+well you adapt, and Flash hasn't been showing up for it. He's made a lot of cash already anyway
if every progamer was thinking like how you did they would have retired long ago
Interesting that the second place finisher last time will might perhaps be the second to last finisher this season. I think it'll be good for different teams being in the playoffs.
CJ coach strangely sent newbie Bong 2 times in the most important part of the season, KT coach doesn't send his best SC2 player to ace match. Also I am really curious if Khan vs 8th will end up in ace match, who will be sent JD (last 2 ace games he lost) or Baby?
On August 21 2012 18:38 sinigang wrote: Given that JD caught up in just a few months and he didn't, maybe Flash should consider retiring. With the advent of SC2 it's about how fast+well you adapt, and Flash hasn't been showing up for it. He's made a lot of cash already anyway
its not about the money, its about the passion for the game.
On August 21 2012 18:38 sinigang wrote: Given that JD caught up in just a few months and he didn't, maybe Flash should consider retiring. With the advent of SC2 it's about how fast+well you adapt, and Flash hasn't been showing up for it. He's made a lot of cash already anyway
I thought of a million responses to this, but a simple "No" is the best I think. NO.
I just hope he turns things around very soon. Flash vs MVP was 4-1 in BW; i just want to see him win games more consistently and convincingly so we're assured that he's transitioning well, but so far, no show.
On August 21 2012 18:38 sinigang wrote: Given that JD caught up in just a few months and he didn't, maybe Flash should consider retiring. With the advent of SC2 it's about how fast+well you adapt, and Flash hasn't been showing up for it. He's made a lot of cash already anyway
its not about the money, its about the passion for the game.
Agree. Just to clarify I am a GSL-fan-turned KeSPA/TBLS fan... I guess I just don't wanna see him go down this way after all his successes. Flash fighting!
Disappointing but KT will be back and I'm sure Flash will be better. Is his play that terrible? I passed out before the ace match and woke up as it ended XD
On August 22 2012 00:59 BigFan wrote: Disappointing but KT will be back and I'm sure Flash will be better. Is his play that terrible? I passed out before the ace match and woke up as it ended XD
Flash isn't as bad as people make him out to be . He was nervous and this was not his best showing in his worst MU . He got thrown off by Kal's prism harass and after that the game started sliping from him , the perfect macro went downhill and the late ghost and viking transition did him in .
On August 21 2012 18:38 sinigang wrote: Given that JD caught up in just a few months and he didn't, maybe Flash should consider retiring. With the advent of SC2 it's about how fast+well you adapt, and Flash hasn't been showing up for it. He's made a lot of cash already anyway
I thought of a million responses to this, but a simple "No" is the best I think. NO.
I just hope he turns things around very soon. Flash vs MVP was 4-1 in BW; i just want to see him win games more consistently and convincingly so we're assured that he's transitioning well, but so far, no show.
On August 21 2012 18:38 sinigang wrote: Given that JD caught up in just a few months and he didn't, maybe Flash should consider retiring. With the advent of SC2 it's about how fast+well you adapt, and Flash hasn't been showing up for it. He's made a lot of cash already anyway
its not about the money, its about the passion for the game.
I think Jaedong is the only one of TBLS who actually likes SC2, and that (plus his work ethic, of course) is the reason he's the only one of them to be looking really scary in it.
I'd say most of the A-teamers hate SC2 (if only because they're not scary gods at it like they are in BW, and it thus stands to cost them a lot of money), and all the B-teamers who liked SC2 switched years ago.
Flash can get pretty good on willpower alone, but if there's no joy there, he'll never be top-tier again