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New tour announced! Sunday, Mar 31 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
SC2BW Weekly continues with $100 weekly tournaments. SC2BW Wekly #4 will be played on the US server. Sign up by clicking the large sign up links below. Global Play info thread. For more information regarding SC2BW mod, visit my presentation thread or Maverck's thread in the custom maps forum.
Links & Information
SIGN UP LINKTOUR INFO LINKCheck-in opens: Sunday, Mar 31 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)Check-in closes: Sunday, Mar 31 7:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)Tournament starts: Sunday, Mar 31 7:10pm GMT (GMT+00:00)* Please configure your TL profile in order to be able to view time and date in your local time zone. Note that tournament date is March 3rd for US & EU, while it is March 4th for Korea. Prize Distribution: 1st: $75 2nd: $25www.sc2bw.net
VODs & Replays
+ Show Spoiler [VODs from all tournaments] +
+ Show Spoiler [Replay packs from all tournaments] +
Casters We are in need of casters to cast our tournaments. If you are a caster and you're interested, please send a PM to LaLuSh in order to be added as an "approved" observer with access to the participants' b.net IDs and identifiers. Include a line or two about your casting experience.
Thanks to Thanks to TL user and russian brood war afficionado Rus_Brain for agreeing to sponsor these series of tournaments. We also extend thanks to Teamliquid who've graciously agreed to let us use their tournament platform for sign ups and brackets. Please note that TL are neither involved in nor are they responsible for running these tournaments. Thanks to MasterDalk and Hawaiianpig for the banner work.
+ Show Spoiler [Rules] +SC2BW Weekly You are encouraged to join channel SC2BW on battle.net to enable easier contact with admins and players. Format- Single-Elimination Tournament.
- Tournaments are limited to max 256 players.
- Bracket will be displayed on TeamLiquid. Participants must log in to view opponent IDs and identifiers to contact their opponents for matches.
- From ro4 and onwards, players must contact admin before hosting their games.
- Winners will report results and upload replays after each round. If results are disputed, admins will review replays.
- Best of 1 until Round of 8.
- Best of 3 in Ro8 and Ro4.
- Best of 5 in Finals.
SC2BW Weekly Rules- The following SC2BW settings are default: Unlimited selection: OFF, Automining: ON, Smartcasting: OFF.
- Both players are responsible for verifying settings before a game start. A player may leave a game and ask for restart if settings are disagreed upon as long as no player contact has been made in the game.
- Players may use different settings provided they both agree upon them.
- Participants are permitted to stream/cast games throughout the tournament.
- No cheating in any way. Includes stream cheating, playing under other players' accounts and any kind of 3rd party hacks.
- If an opponent is not present or does not respond within 15 minutes, use SC2BW channel to report or contact lalush.955 on battle.net.
- Every participant is responsible for providing their correct battle.net ID and identifier upon registration.
- Excessively abusive behavior in chat or in game may result in warnings and disqualifications.
Maps/Host Rules- Please review the rules again for default map settings on unlimited selection, automining and smartcasting before hosting a map.
- Players must search for "SC2BW" in Custom Games when hosting maps. Maps in the arcade may be out of date. For your own convenience, please use "Create Game" as opposed to "Join Game" when creating a lobby in Custom Games.
- It is the player's responsibility to check the map pool. If a player protests an incorrect map after playing a game on it, the game will not be replayed. A player may only leave and restart until the point where player contact is made in the game (e.g. scouting) and before 2 minutes have passed.
- Maps cannot be played twice in a series.
Map Pool: Fighting Spirit, Destination, Heartbreak Ridge, Andromeda, Match Point, Grand Line, Medusa and Python 2. Ro256 (Bo1) - Heartbreak Ridge Ro128 (Bo1) - Destination Ro64 (Bo1) - Fighting Spirit Ro32 (Bo1) - Andromeda Ro16 (Bo1) - Fighting Spirit Ro8 (Bo3) - Map 1: Andromeda. Loser picks next from entire map pool. Ro4 (Bo3) - Map 1: Destination. Loser picks next from entire map pool. Finals (Bo5) - Map 1: Fighting Spirit. Loser picks next from entire map pool. Disconnects/Observers/Coverage/Prizes- If a participant disconnects before 2 minutes into the game or before first contact has occured between players -- the match shall be restarted. Under repeated disconnects, contact an admin.
- If a participant disconnects after 2 minutes and first contact has been made, the opposing player may decide whether the game should be restarted or not. Contact an admin under this situation.
- If the disconnected player had an obvious advantage upon disconnecting, contact an admin in SC2BW channel who will then review the replay.
- NO OBSERVERS are allowed in a game unless both players explicitly agree. Ro8 and onwards, no observers except those permitted by Admins and Referees may observe a game.
- Admins may designate approved observers (casters) which must be allowed to observe.
- Under laggy conditions a player may ask designated observers to leave. From ro4 onwards, Admin Referee will make the decision.
- Players must have a paypal account in order to be eligible to receive prize money. Other means of transfer may be arranged, but will be associated with higher transfer fees.
- Prize amount and placings distribution will be announced for each weekly tour in a tournament thread.
- Please send a PM to LaLuSh in order to be added as a designated observer.
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it looks really awesome i hope good players show up and play just for fun to see how this works, and it's and amazing work, this mods seems really amazing, it's like BW with updated graphics. but i would like to see all the units :B
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Ah, Sunday is chinese new year....too bad I won't be able to join then.
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i was going to play but family dinner come
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I was going to sign up but then I realized I don't play this game.
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Here's the forum you're looking for. SC2BW is far too different from BW to even be named after it.
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if u dont played the mod plz do it. i can bet u will be impressed.
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I was going to sign up, then realised that I'm fucked off that this is being posted in BW to take players, and that I couldn't give a single damn about anything SC2 related. Are Blizz and those dicks off The Pulse paying you or something?
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On February 07 2013 03:39 ImbaTosS wrote: I was going to sign up, then realised that I'm fucked off that this is being posted in BW to take players, and that I couldn't give a single damn about anything SC2 related. Are Blizz and those dicks off The Pulse paying you or something? lol Rus_Brain sponsored the tour. this have nothing to do with blizzard. and i better stop defend this lol ). wathever like bw nothing but this mod is more funny that sc2 . :p
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On February 07 2013 03:39 ImbaTosS wrote: I was going to sign up, then realised that I'm fucked off that this is being posted in BW to take players, and that I couldn't give a single damn about anything SC2 related. Are Blizz and those dicks off The Pulse paying you or something?
I too view this as something that can only damage the BW scene by getting people to play other games. Post it in another forum.
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Agree. Surely I can trust you guys to teach these SC2 new schoolers a lesson or two about real games? Ofc we can teach them about "real games", not about this.
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On February 07 2013 02:25 Jaevlaterran wrote: I was going to sign up but then I realized I don't play this game. +1, please move this to sc2 forum
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On February 07 2013 03:49 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 03:39 ImbaTosS wrote: I was going to sign up, then realised that I'm fucked off that this is being posted in BW to take players, and that I couldn't give a single damn about anything SC2 related. Are Blizz and those dicks off The Pulse paying you or something? lol Rus_Brain sponsored the tour. this have nothing to do with blizzard. and i better stop defend this lol ). wathever like bw nothing but this mod is more funny that sc2 . :p If I make a Command and Conquer:BW mod, and sponsor a tournament, can I post it here? NO? Didn't think so.
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Are you sure about posting it on this forum? I guess you should immediately run away from here.
Happy birthday Michael
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On February 07 2013 02:51 Garrl wrote:Here's the forum you're looking for. SC2BW is far too different from BW to even be named after it. To be fair SC2 isn't really more close to SC2BW than BW is. Except that you need to own SC2 to play it.
But i guess it doesn't matter here anyway. ^^
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On February 07 2013 03:39 ImbaTosS wrote: I was going to sign up, then realised that I'm fucked off that this is being posted in BW to take players, and that I couldn't give a single damn about anything SC2 related. Are Blizz and those dicks off The Pulse paying you or something?
I was about to reply how this is not really a good response, especially since RUS_Brain is one of the real cool people that supported (and still supports) the Brood War scene (more than most of the negative nancies here), but flaming like there's no tomorrow is just a lot funnier and easier to do. DDRAAAAAAAAAAMAAAAAAaaaaaaaaa
SC2BW kills ESPORTS BW
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On February 07 2013 05:32 Gecko[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 03:39 ImbaTosS wrote: I was going to sign up, then realised that I'm fucked off that this is being posted in BW to take players, and that I couldn't give a single damn about anything SC2 related. Are Blizz and those dicks off The Pulse paying you or something? I was about to reply how this is not really a good response, especially since RUS_Brain is one of the real cool people that supported (and still supports) the Brood War scene (more than most of the negative nancies here), but flaming like there's no tomorrow is just a lot funnier and easier to do. DDRAAAAAAAAAAMAAAAAAaaaaaaaaa SC2BW kills ESPORTS BW Ah, sorry, I don't support BW enough? Reductio ad absurdum is thoroughly unhelpful right now.
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On February 07 2013 04:37 Jaevlaterran wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 03:39 ImbaTosS wrote: I was going to sign up, then realised that I'm fucked off that this is being posted in BW to take players, and that I couldn't give a single damn about anything SC2 related. Are Blizz and those dicks off The Pulse paying you or something? I too view this as something that can only damage the BW scene by getting people to play other games. Post it in another forum.
I'd say the opposite. If anything it's good for the BW scene.
No serious BW players are going to "switch" to SC2BW because of this. It just isn't happening It's an attempt to replicated some of what makes BW great, but it's a LONG way from what BW is. There also isn't a scene or support for it anyway.
The reason it's good is that lots of SC2 players will see it, and watch it, because it has SC2 in the title. They will associate it with BW and probably see that the gameplay is much more dynamic, positional oriented, strategic, and (imo anyway) much more interesting than anything SC2 has to offer. This can easily translate to more viewers and/or players.
In short, there is no way on earth this is bad for BW.
It may not, however, belong in the BW forum as it isn't BW...though it does blur the lines somewhat.
On February 07 2013 03:39 ImbaTosS wrote: I was going to sign up, then realised that I'm fucked off that this is being posted in BW to take players, and that I couldn't give a single damn about anything SC2 related. Are Blizz and those dicks off The Pulse paying you or something?
I would say this is closer to being BW related than it is to being SC2 related. It's the equivalent of saying that Dota is WC3 related. They are played in the same engine but...so what? That doesn't have anything to do with the game itself.
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I thought this was a good idea, but there's automine and unlimited selection... it should be called BW in diapers so people can remember that even if they poop themselves, it's a-ok!
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I still think automine and unlimited selection need to go. Might sign up though.,
Edit Nvm, I'll be at work :/
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On February 07 2013 06:18 KristofferAG wrote: I still think automine and unlimited selection need to go. Might sign up though. If both players agree to play on BW settings, you can play on BW settings.
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Gaaaah I'm so tired of having SC2 this and that stuffed at me, whatever it is. I can't seem to escape it! Can't even run a damn stream without the chat being full of morons with their pathetic, pointless trolling. I thought at least the BW forum wouldn't be encroached upon by SC2 tournaments of all things, mod or not. How is this still here?
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On February 07 2013 06:26 ImbaTosS wrote: Gaaaah I'm so tired of having SC2 this and that stuffed at me, whatever it is. I can't seem to escape it! Can't even run a damn stream without the chat being full of morons with their pathetic, pointless trolling. I thought at least the BW forum wouldn't be encroached upon by SC2 tournaments of all things, mod or not. How is this still here?
You're killing me here Elegant.
Can't even run a damn stream without the chat being full of morons with their pathetic, pointless trolling.
You're getting thousands of viewers. Of course the chat is going to be loaded with bullshit, stupid trolling from people of all sides. It's just what happens in chats like that:
1. Stupid/Flame Comment 2. Out of thousands of people some invariably take bait 3. They flame/argue/BS back 4. More of chat joins in. 5. .... 6. Chat degenerates.
That said, the TLS chat is MUCH better than many of the other stream chats, but I have yet to be in a multi-K chat that isn't filled with extremely high portions of garbage. It just doesn't, and probably cannot, happen.
I thought at least the BW forum wouldn't be encroached upon by SC2 tournaments of all things, mod or not. How is this still here?
Because you can make a very compelling argument that this isn't an SC2 tournament. When is that last time someone called Dota a "Warcraft 3" tournament? It's certainly closer to being BW than it is SC2 in terms of play (note this doesn't mean it's all that close to BW)
I think the bigger question is, especially as I know how much of a BW supporter you are and how hard you work for the community: Why are you so against something that is good for BW and attracting attention to such an awesome game?
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On February 07 2013 05:41 ImbaTosS wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 05:32 Gecko[Xp] wrote:On February 07 2013 03:39 ImbaTosS wrote: I was going to sign up, then realised that I'm fucked off that this is being posted in BW to take players, and that I couldn't give a single damn about anything SC2 related. Are Blizz and those dicks off The Pulse paying you or something? I was about to reply how this is not really a good response, especially since RUS_Brain is one of the real cool people that supported (and still supports) the Brood War scene (more than most of the negative nancies here), but flaming like there's no tomorrow is just a lot funnier and easier to do. DDRAAAAAAAAAAMAAAAAAaaaaaaaaa SC2BW kills ESPORTS BW Ah, sorry, I don't support BW enough? Reductio ad absurdum is thoroughly unhelpful right now.
Yeah, in this our of desperation my kind of argumentation is throroughly unhelpful. What.
As L_Master pointed out, all that thing can do is raise awarness among SCII players, there's zero danger of players leaving. If you really think like that, you should also organize a witch hunt against BGH, Fun Map and Fastest players, because they don't play original Brood War. I can see the point that this is not really a good place to advertise a SCII Mod, but I also don't see how other topics like the CPU tournaments or Speed Hack Tours would fit terribly well, yet those are interesting to watch at times and were posted here - I didn't see you go mad in these.
Your entire posting reads like a bitter person aiming at someone who supported our scene for over ten years and continues to do so. How horrible it is that he thinks that this might be interesting to watch or play for fun for some Brood War users. Instead of pointing out that he'd probably do it more effeciently elsewhere, like in a supporting way, you fling insults. Understand, this tour is not sponsored by some desperate SCII fans that want to brag with their shiny new game just for the lulz, but by someone who just wanted to share his thing. Way to go.
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I'd recommend a title change for the thread to: Brood War Community Showing its Elitism.
With a less sarcastic tone let me address an issue here. SC2BW is a mod and it simply trying to establish a weekly tournament. You as a active participant in the Brood War community have a choice to participate or not. This mod isn't supposed to destroy or Brood War community nor would it be bad as a potential "add-on".
To even suggest that SC2BW would ever become popular with the current community is absolutely ridiculous. The people who frequent these forums are devote fanatics of this game to put it simply. Is this a bad thing? No. We like our brood war the way it is. I'd say to some degree static because the game is so damn perfect.
We have had Fighting Spirit on iCCup, Fish every standard tournament in the previous year. Before we start freaking out about a mod that will change the community forever let's expand our map pool first shall we?
Also think back why do you resent StarCraft 2 so badly? The imbalancement, death-ball mechanic, its not brood war HD or 2.0. Whatever your reason may be for not liking StarCraft 2 as a game should not be applied to SC2BW. Why? It's an entirely different game at this point. I'd recommend not subjecting your beliefs of StarCraft 2 onto SC2BW. Simple denial of this mod is silly.
If the reasoning was because you only want to play brood war that fine and a legitimate claim. Unfortunately simply because the mod runs on the SC2 engine a decent amount of the community will hate this mod for eternity.
So before a have a active, influential community member start using the F bomb toward this mod try it yourself. Are we too elite to try other peoples work? Didn't we want Brood War HD (source code of brood war thus running the same as it runs now but with updated graphics)? Did we forgot that goal?
It is a stretch to say SC2BW is Brood War HD. However could it hurt to give feedback to the mod creator to make it one-step closer to BW HD? The ultimate challenge our community faces?
I'll finish with: Don't knock it till you try it.
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Great! I hope I will be able to play this! I believe the creator of this - MavercK - is working his ass of for 3 (?) years now and should be welcomed at least not harshly xD
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NO UNLIMITED SELECTION
Please and thank you.
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yeah unlimited is not really cool.SUP NINOSTRA )))
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Once I read Jaevlaterran's comment, I knew I'd see L_Master or Pucca pop up since they play SC2/DotA.
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On February 07 2013 07:18 Game wrote:Once I read Jaevlaterran's comment, I knew I'd see L_Master or Pucca pop up since they play SC2/DotA.
O.O
Actually, I play neither of these games. Unless you count the 50 games I played in beta. Or the one game every other month I have averaged since then.
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On February 07 2013 07:22 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 07:18 Game wrote:Once I read Jaevlaterran's comment, I knew I'd see L_Master or Pucca pop up since they play SC2/DotA. O.O Actually, I play neither of these games. Unless you count the 50 games I played in beta. Or the one game every other month I have averaged since then. K..
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I had some 10 seconds of blinding rage when I saw an SC2 thread on the Broodwar forums but after reading the comments I'm much calmer now.
Good luck with your tournment. I'm going to stick with Broodwar and getting decimated by smurf players on D/D+, thank you very much.
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how can you be so mad? he is just posting it for playing just for fun not to switch from BW to sc2, or Sc2BW. i think is a nice idea and there is nothing wrong that he posted it here, i dislike sc2, but i think this is nice. it's like those island tours, or random tours. it something to play not in a competitve way, it's just to have some fun. now i undesrtand why sc2 troll us so much, sometimes BW comunity is too sensitve.
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meh, I don't really care for this but I think it should be in the SC2 section not BW section
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Ok, I've been called bitter, resentful, and elitist so far. Anyone else? Come on, take a shot. Where are people getting elitist from??? Drop it, it's an inflammatory use of the word, and is irrelevant in describing my opinions. As are bitter, and resentful. Yet again, people are assuming they can read my mind, divine my underlying viewpoint as a stuck-up old BW-er from the dark ages, and hold me up for it.
You want my reasoning for being pissed off? I want to not be encroached upon. That's my reasoning. I want the scene, and my own experience of it, not to be encroached upon, which hasn't been the case for years now. I don't want to hear a single BW vs SC2/LOL/DOTA/ whatever argument from either side, nor do I want to argue with any of the people in this forum, any other forum.
To suggest that I want to squash everything that isn't competitive BroodWar because of a personal vendetta is yet another magnificent, and possibly even deliberate misinterpretation of the fact that I simply don't want my experience to be invaded, and have had it up to the eyeballs with hearing about things I or any of the BW community should be doing instead. I'm sick of people trying to pop up and educate me on possible things to "enhance" what I enjoy, as if I'm some useless savage clinging on to some old, elitist, outdated way because of a strange Luddite set of principles. I am perfectly well educated in my choices. Why does everyone think that they know what I should want, and try to give it to me on the assumption that I just don't know any better yet?
As far as I can tell, up until now, nobody has understood my reasoning. I want to make it perfectly clear- I don't hate you, or SC2 as a game. I hate Blizzard, but that's another story. I just hate the constant, endless treading on my toes, the lack of any sacred space and the lack of respect not to try and sell me something I don't want, in a place where I wish I could rely on some peace.
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ELEGANT HAS BEEN TRESPASSED! SUMMON THE BANELINGS!
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If you want a "sacred space" make one?
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Elegant with no disrespect: people defend things they like or perhaps want. When you said I was going to sign up, then realised that I'm fucked off that this is being posted in BW to take players, and that I couldn't give a single damn about anything SC2 related. Are Blizz and those dicks off The Pulse paying you or something?
"fuck" and "damn" are not words to be taken lightly they are swears for a reason. It also didn't help that you said "Are Blizz and those dicks off The Pulse paying you or something." It's not rocket science when someone insults another they often retaliate back.
You've dug into your own hole unfortunately. Your admiration for Brood War is terrific. Unfortunately in order to sustain peace their must be collaboration. You had an issue with the creation of this thread. If you wanted have peace like you said in your above: a place where I wish I could rely on some peace. You need to simply ignore this. The alternative is either shoot the OP a PM asking for the removal of the thread politely or just a reply. Don't go mouthing-off.
I don't need to be your mom. You get the point.
Simply turn your other cheek.
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Yea this should be in the SC2 tournament section because people are getting way too upset about this lol, it is just a custom map / " Mod " for SC2 to recreate BW through SC2's engine, it is not really a big deal and it doesn't really need to be taken anymore seriously than that....
It is kinda sad that whenever you put the words SC2 and BW together in the same sentence or thread, all hell breaks loose, infact I think that SC2BW should have a different name, like...BWSC2, instead of SC2BW, that has a better ring to it. This way all the people who play BW won't get offended because the BW is infront of the SC2 in the name.
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Does one need SC2 to be installed to play this? If yes, then BW forums is no place for this.
Why not just host a BW tournament.
Sc2 is garbage and always was.
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i never understood why people want some sort of broodwar HD. Pucca i'm not sure if it even was a goal for the bw people to change bw. i have to agree with elegant, i dont know why a full tournament thread about a SC2 mod is in the BW tournament section. if it would have been a small redirection thread for the main thread (which has all the information) in the sc2 section, then i would totally be ok with it. but being a weekly tournament with a starting prizepool about 3 times as big as in defiler tours just for fun....
...and the WC3 - DOTA argument doesnt hold, because dota was the first of its kind, but SC2BW is just "copying" BW, so why not just play BW?
im not playing this tour out of many reasons.
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I don't see how you can have a competitive tournament for sc2bw with such limited functionality. Many of the most important units like vultures (mines) and lurkers simply do not work. In TvZ, the only balance comes from both races being equally handicapped, and the ability to use other units instead. TvP is somewhat ridiculous, though, as vultures are always relied upon. Even medics and zerglings suck, since with the pathing "fix" neither is able to fit between marines. Medics can't reach anything to heal, and zerglings can't surround, creating another laughable balance. Nothing works as it should, and winning relies on abusing sc2bw's quirks rather than being good at either game.
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Well, I for one do not want this thread to be moved now. With all the comments it'd be disaster. I generally agree with Bakuryu; his would have been better way of approaching things.
I also think the response exposes one of the biggest weakness of SC2BW- while I'll occasionally drop by SC2 forums to see if there are worthwhile improvement mod like Starbow or OneGoal, so I can finally get the dust off SC2 I bought long before to get $60 worth I was denied of, I'd rather play BW if I want to play BW. Maybe I'm retro but I always preferred 2D over 3D in most of the games I enjoy.
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On February 07 2013 07:42 Game wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 07:22 L_Master wrote:On February 07 2013 07:18 Game wrote:Once I read Jaevlaterran's comment, I knew I'd see L_Master or Pucca pop up since they play SC2/DotA. O.O Actually, I play neither of these games. Unless you count the 50 games I played in beta. Or the one game every other month I have averaged since then. K..
I said don't play SC2, and this includes SC2:BW in that umbrella. Hosting a tournament certainly doesn't mean you are preparing actively, or even playing, for that matter. Also, what does organizing a tour to give BW a little more publicity (this is arguable, but I firmly believe it does), have to do with playing SC2?
Actually, I'd go as far as to say that calling SC2:BW "SC2" is questionable. Nobody calls "cat and mouse" BW, just like no one calls "Nexus Wars" SC2. Mods of a game are not the game.
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On February 07 2013 12:18 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 07:42 Game wrote:On February 07 2013 07:22 L_Master wrote:On February 07 2013 07:18 Game wrote:Once I read Jaevlaterran's comment, I knew I'd see L_Master or Pucca pop up since they play SC2/DotA. O.O Actually, I play neither of these games. Unless you count the 50 games I played in beta. Or the one game every other month I have averaged since then. K.. I said don't play SC2, and this includes SC2:BW in that umbrella. Hosting a tournament certainly doesn't mean you are preparing actively, or even playing, for that matter. Also, what does organizing a tour to give BW a little more publicity (this is arguable, but I firmly believe it does), have to do with playing SC2? Actually, I'd go as far as to say that calling SC2:BW "SC2" is questionable. Nobody calls "cat and mouse" BW, just like no one calls "Nexus Wars" SC2. Mods of a game are not the game. Tell me more.
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WC3 - DOTA argument doesnt hold, because dota was the first of its kind, but SC2BW is just "copying" BW, so why not just play BW?
I agree with everything that comes after "hold", but am not sure why this alters the premise of the WC3/Dota argument. Mods of a game are not the game. For instance "Cat and Mouse" is not called BW by anyone. Same applies to any other UMS out there. "Yugioh" isn't considered BW.
i never understood why people want some sort of broodwar HD. Pucca i'm not sure if it even was a goal for the bw people to change bw.
I think it's a matter of who you ask. Most serious BW fans don't want a remake, because frankly in almost all ways the game looks much better (certainly clearer) in 2D.
The people that clamour for a remake fall usually into one of two camps: 1) SC2 players that automatically assume BW graphics suck, but like what they hear about BW's gameplay and would like to see it with a "modern" look 2) BW players that doesn't necessarily want the changes themselves, but believe that it would be for the good of the community/game by attracting more potential viewers, players, sponsors.
I don't agree with #2 personally, as I think BW's graphics are better than SC2 graphics and play an integral function in how BW gameplay actually pans out.
i dont know why a full tournament thread about a SC2 mod is in the BW tournament section.
I also mostly agree with this, but I think it is a question of "where do you put it". It isn't SC2, and it sure isn't BW. It could easily have appeal to both audiences though. Technically speaking this belongs in neither forum but put randomly in "sports and games" would obviously result in no publicity for the event.
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On February 07 2013 12:20 Game wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 12:18 L_Master wrote:On February 07 2013 07:42 Game wrote:On February 07 2013 07:22 L_Master wrote:On February 07 2013 07:18 Game wrote:Once I read Jaevlaterran's comment, I knew I'd see L_Master or Pucca pop up since they play SC2/DotA. O.O Actually, I play neither of these games. Unless you count the 50 games I played in beta. Or the one game every other month I have averaged since then. K.. I said don't play SC2, and this includes SC2:BW in that umbrella. Hosting a tournament certainly doesn't mean you are preparing actively, or even playing, for that matter. Also, what does organizing a tour to give BW a little more publicity (this is arguable, but I firmly believe it does), have to do with playing SC2? Actually, I'd go as far as to say that calling SC2:BW "SC2" is questionable. Nobody calls "cat and mouse" BW, just like no one calls "Nexus Wars" SC2. Mods of a game are not the game. Tell me more.
Okay. Will do.
I'm missing the point you're trying to make with that link .
It seems to me everywhere in that wikipedia article that it is referred to as Dota and not WC3. Even the opening sentence of the article states that it is a mod made for Wracraft III: Reign of Chaos. This is distinct from saying the game is Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos, or some form of expansion of WC3.
Unless the point is that I play Dota, to which I can honestly respond that I have never played a single game of Dota/Dota2 nor ever had the host game installed on my PC at any point. Ever.
BW is too good. I don't have the time or desire to spend any effort on other games when the option to play BW exists. It's like choosing McDonalds over a free homecooked meal or something.
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Fat people don't love BW?
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On February 07 2013 12:59 Game wrote: Fat people don't love BW?
Hmm, for me I think I would get fatter off home-cooked meals. I always go back from 2nd, 3rds, 4ths; whereas McDonalds it's like halfway through the sandwich and I go "I'm done with this stuff".
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On February 07 2013 06:26 ImbaTosS wrote: Gaaaah I'm so tired of having SC2 this and that stuffed at me, whatever it is. I can't seem to escape it! Can't even run a damn stream without the chat being full of morons with their pathetic, pointless trolling. I thought at least the BW forum wouldn't be encroached upon by SC2 tournaments of all things, mod or not. How is this still here?
That's not very British of you Elegant... Seriously though do you have a bug stuck up your ass today?
While I agree that this probably doesn't belong in the BW section your response was quite unnecessary
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Deadly Derailing Leads To Death of Thread
Photo: Earlier today, topic ID 397293 came to a screeching halt and turned into a destructive nightmare when the thread was derailed. The flaming wreck can be seen above.
BroodWar Section, Teamliquid.net - What started as a routine tournament thread turned into a deadly inferno at approximately 2:51 this afternoon, and this day, will, no doubt, haunt the memory of it's many victims for years to come. The thread got off to a good start, according to sources close to the OP, everything appeared to be "going normally". The first signs of trouble came when Jaevlaterran, of the Swedish BroodWar Initiative mentioned that he "did not play this game", referring of course, to the much criticized sequel to the original StarCraft title, StarCraft 2: Wings Of Liberty. Jaevla's comment, although innocent, steered the conversation into dangerous waters.
Players of the original StarCraft title gave a mixed reception to it's successor, StarCraft 2 upon it's 2010 release, and have been at constant odds with the sequel ever since. A "mod" to StarCraft 2 was released to emulate the gameplay in StarCraft, and a tournament was organized for players from both games to play using the modified StarCraft 2 engine. However, tensions between the StarCraft and StarCraft 2 community players were still red-hot, and violence erupted, leading to a massive thread derailment. The thread burst into flames (pun intended) and soon, the original intent of the OP was lost on a very non-cohesive side debate over god-only-knows-what.
Investigators are still trying to determine the cause of the derailment, and TLNN will keep you up-to-date with the latest developments as they unfold.
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Calm down guys Just dont play it. The limited selection is bugged anyway.
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United Kingdom1658 Posts
On February 07 2013 15:45 ninazerg wrote: Deadly Derailing Leads To Death of Thread
Sorry, it was me. I'll bow out. This thread just struck a nerve.
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I feel sad when i see good things getting torn.
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It could be fun. But please put all settings OFF. Anyway I don't have an US client and US account (lol B.Net 2.0). HF ! (btw I agree that this topic should be in SC2 Tourney forum).
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On February 07 2013 18:47 Glioburd wrote: It could be fun. But please put all settings OFF. Anyway I don't have an US client and US account (lol B.Net 2.0). HF ! (btw I agree that this topic should be in SC2 Tourney forum). Global play is live. You can play whereever you want.
Also, this is already in the SC2 tourney forums but it's also here to get more attention.
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Russian Federation66 Posts
I'm not able to play NA server
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United Kingdom3685 Posts
This starts at exactly the same time as the TLS cast,which is less than ideal.
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On February 07 2013 21:29 Sayle wrote: This starts at exactly the same time as the TLS cast,which is less than ideal.
That is indeed less than ideal... I just hope the latter stages of our tour doesn't clash with the latter stages of your broadcast.
Next week I will not take any such chances and will host it at a different time.
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On February 07 2013 15:45 ninazerg wrote:Deadly Derailing Leads To Death of ThreadPhoto: Earlier today, topic ID 397293 came to a screeching halt and turned into a destructive nightmare when the thread was derailed. The flaming wreck can be seen above.BroodWar Section, Teamliquid.net - What started as a routine tournament thread turned into a deadly inferno at approximately 2:51 this afternoon, and this day, will, no doubt, haunt the memory of it's many victims for years to come. The thread got off to a good start, according to sources close to the OP, everything appeared to be "going normally". The first signs of trouble came when Jaevlaterran, of the Swedish BroodWar Initiative mentioned that he "did not play this game", referring of course, to the much criticized sequel to the original StarCraft title, StarCraft 2: Wings Of Liberty. Jaevla's comment, although innocent, steered the conversation into dangerous waters. Players of the original StarCraft title gave a mixed reception to it's successor, StarCraft 2 upon it's 2010 release, and have been at constant odds with the sequel ever since. A "mod" to StarCraft 2 was released to emulate the gameplay in StarCraft, and a tournament was organized for players from both games to play using the modified StarCraft 2 engine. However, tensions between the StarCraft and StarCraft 2 community players were still red-hot, and violence erupted, leading to a massive thread derailment. The thread burst into flames (pun intended) and soon, the original intent of the OP was lost on a very non-cohesive side debate over god-only-knows-what. Investigators are still trying to determine the cause of the derailment, and TLNN will keep you up-to-date with the latest developments as they unfold.
haahahahaha really creative xD you are so much fun between a flame war
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On February 07 2013 22:47 LaLuSh wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 21:29 Sayle wrote: This starts at exactly the same time as the TLS cast,which is less than ideal. That is indeed less than ideal... I just hope the latter stages of our tour doesn't clash with the latter stages of your broadcast. Next week I will not take any such chances and will host it at a different time. or you can just change it now
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So this is a tournament in practice trying to get people playing another game, at the exakt same time as the biggest tournament in BW. Just checking.
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Bisutopia19033 Posts
On Topic: I always believed anything to expose Brood War was good and got excited by the initiative by who I'm sure must be a big Brood War fan trying to make the game work in the SC2 realm. Looking at TL there is no proper spot for this thread where it will be free from flames, but the complaints about it being here have merit. The timing of the tournament is also unfortunate but they established this time before the time announcement of TLS was made public.
Many of us did buy SC2 and now it sits on a shelf somewhere. If the mod evolves enough then it could be a fun way to see Brood War blended into the SC2 world. I have no problem with people doing there own thing and playing what they want. Too many positives in brood war however right now for us to worry about SC2BW. Go read Movie's interview and feel better.
+ Show Spoiler [Random Thoughts] +@ the Brood War Community: As a community that is notoriously friendly, it is important for us to set an example and deal with adversity in the most mature way possible. We are the remaining. We are holding the torch for the rest of the world. What we say and do reflects upon Brood War WORLD WIDE.
Now looking at the last 4 pages I'm sure this isn't something we should be proud of. Our threads, let me repeat, OUR threads need to show positive voice and encouragement. We should not feel threatened, we should not feel attacked by a thread like this one. Let's step it up a little and show some class.
The hostility of SC2 is over. The killing of Brood War has ended. The tidal wave has run its course and we have overcome it all. Be not like those who preach fear and smother hope into the heart of an ESports fan. In the end we are all one species feeding of the love of our particular game. And as long as there is food, we will thrive.
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If the game platform they using is SCII then I believe this should be on SCII tournament or custom map section. Many people are really sensitive here about how SCII almost killed BW and even I believe the organizer have only good intentions and no malice at all, I think this doesn't belong here.
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wanted to sign up,
saw it unlimited selection/auto mining was onX_X
well, mass muta ftw?
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On February 08 2013 02:49 sabas123 wrote: wanted to sign up,
saw it unlimited selection/auto mining was onX_X
well, mass muta ftw?
Those are the default settings in order to encourage non Brood War players to participate.
Players can agree to change settings and it shouldn't be much of an issue because:
1. Any former and current BW player will likely agree to BW settings.
2. The majority of players who have signed up fall under the above category.
If you're a BW player you'll likely beat someone who has never played brood war before and wants to play with unlimited selection anyway.
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On February 08 2013 03:55 LaLuSh wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:49 sabas123 wrote: wanted to sign up,
saw it unlimited selection/auto mining was onX_X
well, mass muta ftw? Those are the default settings in order to encourage non Brood War players to participate. Players can agree to change settings and it shouldn't be much of an issue because: 1. Any former and current BW player will likely agree to BW settings. 2. The majority of players who have signed up fall under the above category. If you're a BW player you'll likely beat someone who has never played brood war before and wants to play with unlimited selection anyway. You talked before alienting the audience by turning the BW settings on. Well you are alienating the people who play BW by turning it off. I really don't want to play a game of BW where more than 11 mutalisks can harass my mineral line.
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On February 07 2013 18:34 ImbaTosS wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 15:45 ninazerg wrote: Deadly Derailing Leads To Death of Thread
Sorry, it was me. I'll bow out. This thread just struck a nerve.
Dude, you were just being brutally honest. I know you really love playing and talking about this game, and it's easy to feel like everyone is on the SC2 bandwagon and be upset by that.
On February 07 2013 08:44 ImbaTosS wrote:
You want my reasoning for being pissed off? I want to not be encroached upon. That's my reasoning. I want the scene, and my own experience of it, not to be encroached upon, which hasn't been the case for years now. I don't want to hear a single BW vs SC2/LOL/DOTA/ whatever argument from either side, nor do I want to argue with any of the people in this forum, any other forum.
To suggest that I want to squash everything that isn't competitive BroodWar because of a personal vendetta is yet another magnificent, and possibly even deliberate misinterpretation of the fact that I simply don't want my experience to be invaded, and have had it up to the eyeballs with hearing about things I or any of the BW community should be doing instead. I'm sick of people trying to pop up and educate me on possible things to "enhance" what I enjoy, as if I'm some useless savage clinging on to some old, elitist, outdated way because of a strange Luddite set of principles. I am perfectly well educated in my choices. Why does everyone think that they know what I should want, and try to give it to me on the assumption that I just don't know any better yet?
Agree.
I don't think you should be the least bit embarrassed about some SC2 thread going off down the road to anger-town. I was merely poking fun at the situation in general, and was not talking about you. I may have been making fun of someone else and this hypothetical person may also be someone who has a habit of derailing threads and making terrible posts in general, but that's beside the point. Also, I'm not talking about Jaevlaterran.
But on a serious note, I think anyone who was going to be "converted" to SC2 has already gone over to the other side, and a bunch have already come back. So, what can they do with an old dusty SC2 key but occasionally blow the cobwebs off of it, and dabble in the game for fun? I hope you can find solace in that BroodWar is still incredibly fun, and the people still playing are also incredibly cool, including yourself. Eventually, Blizzard, like any other company, will not stand the test of time, and will die. They have done everything in their legal power to reign in the StarCraft market, but they cannot do so, because while on their legal documents, they lay claim to StarCraft, it is ours. They know this, and that's why they did not put LAN functionality into SC2 - so they could have complete control over everything with the label "SC2" on it, which they know they can now never do with BroodWar. Unlike SC2, I have not purchased a "license" to play BroodWar, but rather, I bought the game. It's mine. I actually have two copies of the game. If Blizzard's subsequent titles elicit the same response that Diablo III and HotS have, the company will not survive for long. If this happens, bnet 2.0 will be terminated, effectively ending SC2 unless a LAN feature is implemented, whereas BroodWar can survive indefinitely on pirate servers, and even with pirated versions. It's actually quite possible that BroodWar may outlast SC2 in this regard, although I am certainly not advocating engaging in illegal activities; but then again, in an age where legality is determined by corporations rather than elected officials, who believe they are the law, even across the Pacific Ocean in foreign countries, some checks and balances should, and must, be made.
Some of these checks and balances may come in the form of the denunciation of their quite overt advertisement campaign, their suffocating imposition into "eSports", and the tightening reigns of corporatism over what was once an art form - making computer games. All things considered, I naturally am compelled to agree with you.
I sincerely hope you have a wonderful day, and I look forward to your broadcast this weekend.
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Croatia9362 Posts
And just when I thought this thread is getting back on track... :/
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I, for one, am happy that Lalush posted this here or else I wouldn't have seen it. Thank you!
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Bisutopia19033 Posts
edit: What Xiphos Said. + Show Spoiler [irrelevant anger] +On February 08 2013 08:35 ninazerg wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 07 2013 18:34 ImbaTosS wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 15:45 ninazerg wrote: Deadly Derailing Leads To Death of Thread
Sorry, it was me. I'll bow out. This thread just struck a nerve. Dude, you were just being brutally honest. I know you really love playing and talking about this game, and it's easy to feel like everyone is on the SC2 bandwagon and be upset by that. On February 07 2013 08:44 ImbaTosS wrote:
You want my reasoning for being pissed off? I want to not be encroached upon. That's my reasoning. I want the scene, and my own experience of it, not to be encroached upon, which hasn't been the case for years now. I don't want to hear a single BW vs SC2/LOL/DOTA/ whatever argument from either side, nor do I want to argue with any of the people in this forum, any other forum.
To suggest that I want to squash everything that isn't competitive BroodWar because of a personal vendetta is yet another magnificent, and possibly even deliberate misinterpretation of the fact that I simply don't want my experience to be invaded, and have had it up to the eyeballs with hearing about things I or any of the BW community should be doing instead. I'm sick of people trying to pop up and educate me on possible things to "enhance" what I enjoy, as if I'm some useless savage clinging on to some old, elitist, outdated way because of a strange Luddite set of principles. I am perfectly well educated in my choices. Why does everyone think that they know what I should want, and try to give it to me on the assumption that I just don't know any better yet?
Agree. I don't think you should be the least bit embarrassed about some SC2 thread going off down the road to anger-town. I was merely poking fun at the situation in general, and was not talking about you. I may have been making fun of someone else and this hypothetical person may also be someone who has a habit of derailing threads and making terrible posts in general, but that's beside the point. Also, I'm not talking about Jaevlaterran. But on a serious note, I think anyone who was going to be "converted" to SC2 has already gone over to the other side, and a bunch have already come back. So, what can they do with an old dusty SC2 key but occasionally blow the cobwebs off of it, and dabble in the game for fun? I hope you can find solace in that BroodWar is still incredibly fun, and the people still playing are also incredibly cool, including yourself. Eventually, Blizzard, like any other company, will not stand the test of time, and will die. They have done everything in their legal power to reign in the StarCraft market, but they cannot do so, because while on their legal documents, they lay claim to StarCraft, it is ours. They know this, and that's why they did not put LAN functionality into SC2 - so they could have complete control over everything with the label "SC2" on it, which they know they can now never do with BroodWar. Unlike SC2, I have not purchased a "license" to play BroodWar, but rather, I bought the game. It's mine. I actually have two copies of the game. If Blizzard's subsequent titles elicit the same response that Diablo III and HotS have, the company will not survive for long. If this happens, bnet 2.0 will be terminated, effectively ending SC2 unless a LAN feature is implemented, whereas BroodWar can survive indefinitely on pirate servers, and even with pirated versions. It's actually quite possible that BroodWar may outlast SC2 in this regard, although I am certainly not advocating engaging in illegal activities; but then again, in an age where legality is determined by corporations rather than elected officials, who believe they are the law, even across the Pacific Ocean in foreign countries, some checks and balances should, and must, be made. Some of these checks and balances may come in the form of the denunciation of their quite overt advertisement campaign, their suffocating imposition into "eSports", and the tightening reigns of corporatism over what was once an art form - making computer games. All things considered, I naturally am compelled to agree with you. I sincerely hope you have a wonderful day, and I look forward to your broadcast this weekend. I usually don't speak up and especially not against someone who is pro BW, but you are wrong Nina. And trust me, I am familiar with your post history and you are sharp as a razor towards anyone that stands against you. Your post is the kind of fear inciting, Brood War elitism that scares people away from this section of the forums. Whatever problems you and others may have with Blizzard, SC2, big Corporations don't need to but shoved into everyone else's face. And while no one was calling Elegant out, I think it is completely wrong for you to endorse the kind of language and attitude he brought to this thread. Elegant chose to be a model for this community by becoming a caster for the TLS. Everyone is looking to him and Sayle to set an example for us and how are we supposed to support someone a hundred percent when they lose their temper inside of this thread. Nina, it is no longer a cool thing to publicly bash SC2. No one cares anymore about the state of that game. Why are you still letting yourself get offended? What is the point of having wasted anger and hate? Why is it so necessary to keep that flame alive in you and then spread it's embers among countless threads. I among many want to love you for what you contribute to Brood War but I'm sick and tired of symbols of this community acting out so publicly about their hate campaign towards everything else. I just want to apologize to anyone who thought SC2BW was a fun idea. Don't be afraid to enjoy it just because it's part of SC2. You are allowed to have the best of both worlds. I still love you no matter what you play.
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In fairness she didn't bash SC2.
She did implicitly bash blizzard, but nowhere was SC2 bashed.
I'm also not sure what you mean by elitism. It gets thrown out alot, but I'm not convinced I am seeing it nearly as much as people throw it out. Elitism is like "we are BW players, we are better than anyone else b/c of that". This would be distinct from feeling that BW is a better game than SC2. You could certainly hold such a view without being elitist.
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Bisutopia19033 Posts
edit: What Xiphos Said. + Show Spoiler [irrelevant stuff continued.] +On February 08 2013 11:00 L_Master wrote: In fairness she didn't bash SC2.
She did implicitly bash blizzard, but nowhere was SC2 bashed.
I'm also not sure what you mean by elitism. It gets thrown out alot, but I'm not convinced I am seeing it nearly as much as people throw it out. Elitism is like "we are BW players, we are better than anyone else b/c of that". This would be distinct from feeling that BW is a better game than SC2. You could certainly hold such a view without being elitist. Well you just chose to critic my choice of words instead of understanding my sentiment. I wish I was a better writer but if you misunderstand me then I am sorry. I know I can not write any better what I mean or bring more to discussion. In short I just want us to speak in more mature and positive manners. I don't mean to name call or label anyone.
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Guys we are all valuable members of the last foreign battalion, this is no time for civil war. Please, this place is like a home to me. All of you guys are my e-relatives, it pains me to see quarreling between the member.
We have to decide upon one single idea of spreading the game that we love.
Now the real question that we all should be discussing is: "Will SC2:BW mod/tournament increase the awareness of BW in a positive manner? Why and why not?"
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That look interesting good job guys and that video is awesome.I suggest everyone to calm down and prepare whit food and drinks , because we have TLS tomorrow !
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Bisutopia19033 Posts
On February 08 2013 11:42 LRM)INF3cted wrote: That look interesting good job guys and that video is awesome.I suggest everyone to calm down and prepare whit food and drinks , because we have TLS tomorrow ! Considering I liquibet-ed you... less posting more practicing!!!! JK <3
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On February 08 2013 10:37 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 08:35 ninazerg wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 07 2013 18:34 ImbaTosS wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 15:45 ninazerg wrote: Deadly Derailing Leads To Death of Thread
Sorry, it was me. I'll bow out. This thread just struck a nerve. Dude, you were just being brutally honest. I know you really love playing and talking about this game, and it's easy to feel like everyone is on the SC2 bandwagon and be upset by that. On February 07 2013 08:44 ImbaTosS wrote:
You want my reasoning for being pissed off? I want to not be encroached upon. That's my reasoning. I want the scene, and my own experience of it, not to be encroached upon, which hasn't been the case for years now. I don't want to hear a single BW vs SC2/LOL/DOTA/ whatever argument from either side, nor do I want to argue with any of the people in this forum, any other forum.
To suggest that I want to squash everything that isn't competitive BroodWar because of a personal vendetta is yet another magnificent, and possibly even deliberate misinterpretation of the fact that I simply don't want my experience to be invaded, and have had it up to the eyeballs with hearing about things I or any of the BW community should be doing instead. I'm sick of people trying to pop up and educate me on possible things to "enhance" what I enjoy, as if I'm some useless savage clinging on to some old, elitist, outdated way because of a strange Luddite set of principles. I am perfectly well educated in my choices. Why does everyone think that they know what I should want, and try to give it to me on the assumption that I just don't know any better yet?
Agree. I don't think you should be the least bit embarrassed about some SC2 thread going off down the road to anger-town. I was merely poking fun at the situation in general, and was not talking about you. I may have been making fun of someone else and this hypothetical person may also be someone who has a habit of derailing threads and making terrible posts in general, but that's beside the point. Also, I'm not talking about Jaevlaterran. But on a serious note, I think anyone who was going to be "converted" to SC2 has already gone over to the other side, and a bunch have already come back. So, what can they do with an old dusty SC2 key but occasionally blow the cobwebs off of it, and dabble in the game for fun? I hope you can find solace in that BroodWar is still incredibly fun, and the people still playing are also incredibly cool, including yourself. Eventually, Blizzard, like any other company, will not stand the test of time, and will die. They have done everything in their legal power to reign in the StarCraft market, but they cannot do so, because while on their legal documents, they lay claim to StarCraft, it is ours. They know this, and that's why they did not put LAN functionality into SC2 - so they could have complete control over everything with the label "SC2" on it, which they know they can now never do with BroodWar. Unlike SC2, I have not purchased a "license" to play BroodWar, but rather, I bought the game. It's mine. I actually have two copies of the game. If Blizzard's subsequent titles elicit the same response that Diablo III and HotS have, the company will not survive for long. If this happens, bnet 2.0 will be terminated, effectively ending SC2 unless a LAN feature is implemented, whereas BroodWar can survive indefinitely on pirate servers, and even with pirated versions. It's actually quite possible that BroodWar may outlast SC2 in this regard, although I am certainly not advocating engaging in illegal activities; but then again, in an age where legality is determined by corporations rather than elected officials, who believe they are the law, even across the Pacific Ocean in foreign countries, some checks and balances should, and must, be made. Some of these checks and balances may come in the form of the denunciation of their quite overt advertisement campaign, their suffocating imposition into "eSports", and the tightening reigns of corporatism over what was once an art form - making computer games. All things considered, I naturally am compelled to agree with you. I sincerely hope you have a wonderful day, and I look forward to your broadcast this weekend. Brood War elitism .
I played in the first SC2BW tournament. I encourage everyone interested to play in this one and the next one.
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I don't get all the hate in this thread.
Are you guys so afraid of this MOD? For me its such a fun idea that i will reinstall SC2 and play in this tournament (if its true that global play is live) with my wood league sc2 knowledge and Z- in BW(yeah havent played it for like 10+ years and mostly then was playing team games with not locked alliances on LAN).
+ Show Spoiler +Maybe all the hate is due to the price-pool is bigger than other weekly BW tournaments. And people being afraid of pros leaving them for this easy cash.
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Norway25709 Posts
Apparently I'm working day and will have a couple hours in the evening before I collapse from exhaustion, so I'll be signing up. I'm signed up for the iccup carnival tour but I don't see myself going past the first round of that even
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On February 08 2013 01:23 ArvickHero wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 22:47 LaLuSh wrote:On February 07 2013 21:29 Sayle wrote: This starts at exactly the same time as the TLS cast,which is less than ideal. That is indeed less than ideal... I just hope the latter stages of our tour doesn't clash with the latter stages of your broadcast. Next week I will not take any such chances and will host it at a different time. or you can just change it now
Nah, it's probably too short term. Some players and probably also some casters already signed up. I don't think postponing the tournament two days before it is a good idea. :-/
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On February 07 2013 21:29 Sayle wrote: This starts at exactly the same time as the TLS cast,which is less than ideal. Well TSL started during SBWI nation wars (dont kill me if i got it wrong - the name) before so....
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On February 09 2013 00:54 Frankon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 21:29 Sayle wrote: This starts at exactly the same time as the TLS cast,which is less than ideal. Well TSL started during SBWI nation wars (dont kill me if i got it wrong - the name) before so....
There are only three days you have a decent chance to stream any tour and these are friday, saturday, sunday. It's almost impossible to not collide with another event. And it's not like there's much communication in between the platforms and organizers either way.
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United Kingdom3685 Posts
On February 09 2013 00:54 Frankon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 21:29 Sayle wrote: This starts at exactly the same time as the TLS cast,which is less than ideal. Well TSL started during SBWI nation wars (dont kill me if i got it wrong - the name) before so....
TLS organizers talked to Game beforehand to try to resolve it but they couldn't come to an agreement.
Also, when I said "less than ideal", I meant for this tournament. I think it'd get a lot more participation if it was at a different time.
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Attention: Tournament start was moved 1h forward to Saturday, Feb 09 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Tournament start was moved 1h forward in order to compete/clash less with TLS.
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On February 09 2013 04:42 Sayle wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2013 00:54 Frankon wrote:On February 07 2013 21:29 Sayle wrote: This starts at exactly the same time as the TLS cast,which is less than ideal. Well TSL started during SBWI nation wars (dont kill me if i got it wrong - the name) before so.... TLS organizers talked to Game beforehand to try to resolve it but they couldn't come to an agreement.
I think you may have been misinformed, as Game said the following directly to Hawaiianpig:
On January 14 2013 11:52 Game wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 11:01 HawaiianPig wrote: a) The weekends are the best time for us to hold our events
b) Because our open qualifier requires organizing players from various continents we have to pick times that work best for them
c) 12PM EST for the tournament start and 3PM EST for the cast is the best time. (This works for most of NA and Europe)
I'm not sure when you expect us to hold the TLS otherwise. We still love events these and still are working on organizing ABC coverage of them. We're doing our best. The times could be slightly altered, but if maximum efficiency is what you're aiming for, you picked the proper times for your league. Unfortunately, this league wasn't considered at all, and that's what I think he's getting at. No one from my side was tipped off about TLS, much less the day and times so that we could work together effectively to offer two amazing leagues and correspond them properly. Needless to say, a lack of professional courtesy can persuade a few feelings.
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I look forward to watching this, hopefully some good players will participate, although I won't be playing in it myself since I prefer regular bw.
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Good guy LaLush. Gets heavily flamed by TLS caster, reschedules his tournament to take consideration of TLS.
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On February 09 2013 06:31 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2013 04:42 Sayle wrote:On February 09 2013 00:54 Frankon wrote:On February 07 2013 21:29 Sayle wrote: This starts at exactly the same time as the TLS cast,which is less than ideal. Well TSL started during SBWI nation wars (dont kill me if i got it wrong - the name) before so.... TLS organizers talked to Game beforehand to try to resolve it but they couldn't come to an agreement. I think you may have been misinformed, as Game said the following directly to Hawaiianpig: Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 11:52 Game wrote:On January 14 2013 11:01 HawaiianPig wrote: a) The weekends are the best time for us to hold our events
b) Because our open qualifier requires organizing players from various continents we have to pick times that work best for them
c) 12PM EST for the tournament start and 3PM EST for the cast is the best time. (This works for most of NA and Europe)
I'm not sure when you expect us to hold the TLS otherwise. We still love events these and still are working on organizing ABC coverage of them. We're doing our best. The times could be slightly altered, but if maximum efficiency is what you're aiming for, you picked the proper times for your league. Unfortunately, this league wasn't considered at all, and that's what I think he's getting at. No one from my side was tipped off about TLS, much less the day and times so that we could work together effectively to offer two amazing leagues and correspond them properly. Needless to say, a lack of professional courtesy can persuade a few feelings.
I can vouch for this as well. Funny thing is that if they had had the courtesy to talk to the Game or the SBWI before doing this we might have been interested in sponsoring their tour. The SBWI could've easily doubled that prize pool. As we say in Swedish, the way you make the bed, is the way you'll sleep in it.
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On February 09 2013 21:51 Jaevlaterran wrote: the Game
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Broodwar is my favorite game and i find this is interesting to see. Its more related to bw than to sc2 and i really dont get it why is all the hate. Dont see our progamers go anywhere with sc2bw or people stop playing original game because of this mod. Also everybody should play whatever he like, so whats the problem?
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I feel like i´m going kinda offtopic because i´m not bashing on SC2BW with this but i must say, as a SC2 player (for the proscene and mostly Jaedongs sake) i really enjoy this tournament. It brings back memories and i´ll most certainly participate in future ones.
It´s also great to see some SC2 pros playing this (beastyqt and Morrow i think) Also it gives me a better possibility to play BW with my clanmates and friends who never played BW but play Sc2.
(It also gives me something i get to play whenever i´m pissed at Blizzard for totally screwing up the Sc2 HotS when it was THE possibility to fix everything they broke with WoL)
So yeah, love the tournament, love BW and love the Mod aswell. I hope the Mod can fill in the gaps in the BW scene for newcomer, because if you never played BW you´ll have a bad time on ICCUP etc. (what i am trying to say is that people can play SC2BW, get a idea about BW, learn the game and if they like it, move to original BW)
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My first impressions after the games are that zvz and zvp plays somewhat similar as in BW. Not having played too much, but the timings feel rather the same. It might be that Z > P by a larger than original BW margin though. I had (what seemed to be) too easy of a time against LaLuSh in my very first game on SC2:BW (zvp). Here I have to mention that I installed my SC2 on a laptop and it's kind of choppy on all low settings and that further slows the game for me down.
I am not sure if the worker mining rate is added as in BW, since I didn't pay too much of an attention/did comparasion if it's the same as in BW. I think it must be added, if it's not already.
My 2cs on zvt since there i have most tournament experience with 2 games under the belt. What I want to emphasize the most in 2nd game is that in BW there is literally NO WAY the terran starts with a supply barrack CC down on the expansion (what my opponent did) and survive so easy to a 9pool without further ling production alone, not to mention 9pool speed with constant ling production (what I actually did). It seemed that the terran expanded way too quickly and was having way too much. Onto the 1st game - again i feel that there is no way a terran in bw can bunker rush, while exping with a bunker and going for a gas and a factory follow up :D and then having a 3rd expo somewhat well defended in time against first mutas timing.
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On February 10 2013 08:49 LRM)TechnicS wrote: My first impressions after the games are that zvz and zvp plays somewhat similar as in BW. Not having played too much, but the timings feel rather the same. It might be that Z > P by a larger than original BW margin though. I had (what seemed to be) too easy of a time against LaLuSh in my very first game on SC2:BW (zvp). Here I have to mention that I installed my SC2 on a laptop and it's kind of choppy on all low settings and that further slows the game for me down.
I am not sure if the worker mining rate is added as in BW, since I didn't pay too much of an attention/did comparasion if it's the same as in BW. I think it must be added, if it's not already.
My 2cs on zvt since there i have most tournament experience with 2 games under the belt. What I want to emphasize the most in 2nd game is that in BW there is literally NO WAY the terran starts with a supply barrack CC down on the expansion (what my opponent did) and survive so easy to a 9pool without further ling production alone, not to mention 9pool speed with constant ling production (what I actually did). It seemed that the terran expanded way too quickly and was having way too much. Onto the 1st game - again i feel that there is no way a terran in bw can bunker rush, while exping with a bunker and going for a gas and a factory follow up :D and then having a 3rd expo somewhat well defended in time against first mutas timing.
I seen your games (sad that you lost TT) and Beasty was playing a wierd mix of SC2 and BW with his Terran. I´m almost 100% sure that the mining rates are implemented, however i´d still rather recheck before beleving me
I hope Lalush adjustes the further differences between BW and the Mod, it sure is really hard to do so before getting a lot of play on the maps though.
Btw, since you played the Mod for the fi4rst time, what do you think about the unlimited unit selection and automine? As a viewer i was a little sad that they didn´t use the full BW settings but i´d like to hear your opinion on using it for the Tournament.
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On February 10 2013 08:55 gCgCrypto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 08:49 LRM)TechnicS wrote: My first impressions after the games are that zvz and zvp plays somewhat similar as in BW. Not having played too much, but the timings feel rather the same. It might be that Z > P by a larger than original BW margin though. I had (what seemed to be) too easy of a time against LaLuSh in my very first game on SC2:BW (zvp). Here I have to mention that I installed my SC2 on a laptop and it's kind of choppy on all low settings and that further slows the game for me down.
I am not sure if the worker mining rate is added as in BW, since I didn't pay too much of an attention/did comparasion if it's the same as in BW. I think it must be added, if it's not already.
My 2cs on zvt since there i have most tournament experience with 2 games under the belt. What I want to emphasize the most in 2nd game is that in BW there is literally NO WAY the terran starts with a supply barrack CC down on the expansion (what my opponent did) and survive so easy to a 9pool without further ling production alone, not to mention 9pool speed with constant ling production (what I actually did). It seemed that the terran expanded way too quickly and was having way too much. Onto the 1st game - again i feel that there is no way a terran in bw can bunker rush, while exping with a bunker and going for a gas and a factory follow up :D and then having a 3rd expo somewhat well defended in time against first mutas timing. I seen your games (sad that you lost TT) and Beasty was playing a wierd mix of SC2 and BW with his Terran. I´m almost 100% sure that the mining rates are implemented, however i´d still rather recheck before beleving me I hope Lalush adjustes the further differences between BW and the Mod, it sure is really hard to do so before getting a lot of play on the maps though. Btw, since you played the Mod for the fi4rst time, what do you think about the unlimited unit selection and automine? As a viewer i was a little sad that they didn´t use the full BW settings but i´d like to hear your opinion on using it for the Tournament.
Generally, I would support full BW mode. But my CPUs with their video cards are unable to run SC2 smoothly even on the lowest possible settings. Obv I used low on every setting imaginable, with all other programs off and still the game was choppy/slow for me. It can be easily seen in all my games that im sending my very first workers to mine like a D+ iccup level palyer :D not to mention other stuff. So while I play in such circumstances, i feel that i need the automine function and to be able to select more units. Although on some hatcheries the automine function wouldnt work from the first time (it's with the G button right?), i still think that i need it. If my CPU was running it super smooth on low settings i would be highly encouraging to play all matches in full BW mode. Unfortunately I'm nowhere near buying a new cpu :D
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Also after reading Jumper's story how 12 hydralisks melted down 6 zealots + 2 cannons from below the ramp, I'm getting further worried, that the z>p might be a little too big for a starter.
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for automine you just select your hatch and rightclick on the minerals. and if you rightklick on the ground you set your army rally point. But i totally agree that all BW settings should be default with SC2 settings being optional if both players agree (if two newcomers play eachother for example)
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My impression was that technics just wasn't playing fully up to his standard because of his choppiness issues in conjunction with not being used to SC2 at all. In the andromeda game I think your build was just mineral heavy, gas timings late which made muta timing late and this gave you the impression that mutas cannot do no damage and that terrans mine much too fast (if they indeed mine too fast, it will still not be a huge difference from BW).
I know if you had a good computer you would be able to micro mutas like a God and also hit all your timings spot on.
As for the 9pool vs barracks low ground game, I pretty much agree with you. SC2 path finding and AI probably screwed you up a little.
You basically had the game won though if you didn't let that 1 marine into the bunker. Also you got a bit over-eager in engaging with the lings before speed was finished (and thus wasting many of them).
I don't think beastyQT would have held that attack as well and with as good of an economy without auto-mining though.
I will review the settings for next week. Just don't want to scare off every single soul apart from the BW community.
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I want to add, as FabledIntegral mentioned, and as a friend of mine that plays SC2 confirmed, that SCVS are way too good of a fighting units in SC2:BW xD
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On February 10 2013 17:39 LRM)TechnicS wrote: I want to add, as FabledIntegral mentioned, and as a friend of mine that plays SC2 confirmed, that SCVS are way too good of a fighting units in SC2:BW xD
this was something I noticed a few days earlier aswell, they not only have 60hp but a faster attack speed than other workers aswell, im not sure if this is intended.
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On February 10 2013 18:22 19Meavis93 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 17:39 LRM)TechnicS wrote: I want to add, as FabledIntegral mentioned, and as a friend of mine that plays SC2 confirmed, that SCVS are way too good of a fighting units in SC2:BW xD this was something I noticed a few days earlier aswell, they not only have 60hp but a faster attack speed than other workers aswell, im not sure if this is intended.
Could this be related to the SCV spam attack trick that makes them attack like 30% faster in BW? Maybe the default attack speed of SCVs listed in the BW files is faster than they actually attack due to some weirdness in their attack animation/frames?
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SCVs in BW have a cooldown of 15 frames. BW running at 24fps puts this at 1 attack every 0.625 seconds. my mod has their attack cooldown set to 0.8610 (iirc i had to convert the time to account for increased game speed in sc2).
they attack really fast. really fast. it's the same attack speed as a marine. probes and drones have a cooldown of 22. or 1 attack every 0.916 seconds.
i think the only real difference is still the pathing thing. scvs will swoop around and are much better at staying in range to attack in sc2bw. i made changes today (not yet live) that affect the mining speed for each race. this change affects acceleration/deceleration of scvs/drones. i think this will be a fairly big nerf to scvs since they will have a much harder time staying in range (their acceleration was more than halved).
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Well SCVs in BW seem to need to decelerate before making their attack, which is why they can't do moving shot like probes/drones and also get their first attack faster if you micro them. If the ones in the mod can attack straight away, they will end up attacking faster even if the cooldown is the same as in BW, especially in running battles like lings backing away while sniping SCVs. As you say, it's more of a pathing/movement issue.
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Cool, thank you guys.
I think I'll go on with sponsoring ^^
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On February 10 2013 21:54 Rus_Brain wrote: Cool, thank you guys.
I think I'll go on with sponsoring ^^ No, no. Thank YOU. Hopefully next weeks lineup will be even better!
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On February 10 2013 21:54 Rus_Brain wrote: Cool, thank you guys.
I think I'll go on with sponsoring ^^ Was fun to watch, thanks for sponsoring!
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I enjoyed watching it! Glad you guys hosted it
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Z gets quite a boost from unlimited selection.
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New tournament ANNOUNCED. SC2BW Weekly #2 on Sunday, Feb 17 6:10pm GMT (GMT+00:00).
SIGN UP LINK
Unlimited Selection: OFF
By default this tournament.
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On February 10 2013 21:54 Rus_Brain wrote: Cool, thank you guys.
I think I'll go on with sponsoring ^^ Casually sponsoring mod tournament. You're the boss.
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Alright, new experience for me today. I managed to play SC2:BW in an internet caffe near my university and had no lag/choppiness and even the graphics were set to the max. The game feels a lot better this way. I recognize my units and stuff better, but still I have a long way to go. My first and most impotant impression was that overlords and stacked mutalisks (and probably all air units) seem to have very little vision around them compared to SC:BW. When I scouted with my first overlord, it wasn't that obvious. But when I made some mutas, stacked them and went to attack, I felt like they were all partially blinded. Since the CPU was attacking me often, it felt really unsafe going through any wide areas with them. Unfortunately, I was in a hurry and couldn't do too much muta micro practice, but it felt really hard to do any significant damage to the CPU without being heavily damaged, even on positions that are good for mutas vs marines like ramps and bridges.
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On February 10 2013 18:41 MavercK wrote: SCVs in BW have a cooldown of 15 frames. BW running at 24fps puts this at 1 attack every 0.625 seconds. my mod has their attack cooldown set to 0.8610 (iirc i had to convert the time to account for increased game speed in sc2).
they attack really fast. really fast. it's the same attack speed as a marine. probes and drones have a cooldown of 22. or 1 attack every 0.916 seconds.
i think the only real difference is still the pathing thing. scvs will swoop around and are much better at staying in range to attack in sc2bw. i made changes today (not yet live) that affect the mining speed for each race. this change affects acceleration/deceleration of scvs/drones. i think this will be a fairly big nerf to scvs since they will have a much harder time staying in range (their acceleration was more than halved).
afterall an SCV beats a Marine in BW 1v1 without microing the marine.
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On February 13 2013 22:58 LML wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 18:41 MavercK wrote: SCVs in BW have a cooldown of 15 frames. BW running at 24fps puts this at 1 attack every 0.625 seconds. my mod has their attack cooldown set to 0.8610 (iirc i had to convert the time to account for increased game speed in sc2).
they attack really fast. really fast. it's the same attack speed as a marine. probes and drones have a cooldown of 22. or 1 attack every 0.916 seconds.
i think the only real difference is still the pathing thing. scvs will swoop around and are much better at staying in range to attack in sc2bw. i made changes today (not yet live) that affect the mining speed for each race. this change affects acceleration/deceleration of scvs/drones. i think this will be a fairly big nerf to scvs since they will have a much harder time staying in range (their acceleration was more than halved). afterall an SCV beats a Marine in BW 1v1 without microing the marine. StarCraft was partially crafted during Black History Month.
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On February 13 2013 23:08 Game wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 22:58 LML wrote:On February 10 2013 18:41 MavercK wrote: SCVs in BW have a cooldown of 15 frames. BW running at 24fps puts this at 1 attack every 0.625 seconds. my mod has their attack cooldown set to 0.8610 (iirc i had to convert the time to account for increased game speed in sc2).
they attack really fast. really fast. it's the same attack speed as a marine. probes and drones have a cooldown of 22. or 1 attack every 0.916 seconds.
i think the only real difference is still the pathing thing. scvs will swoop around and are much better at staying in range to attack in sc2bw. i made changes today (not yet live) that affect the mining speed for each race. this change affects acceleration/deceleration of scvs/drones. i think this will be a fairly big nerf to scvs since they will have a much harder time staying in range (their acceleration was more than halved). afterall an SCV beats a Marine in BW 1v1 without microing the marine. StarCraft was partially crafted during Black History Month. Is that really as bad joke as it looks like?
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On February 14 2013 00:09 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 23:08 Game wrote:On February 13 2013 22:58 LML wrote:On February 10 2013 18:41 MavercK wrote: SCVs in BW have a cooldown of 15 frames. BW running at 24fps puts this at 1 attack every 0.625 seconds. my mod has their attack cooldown set to 0.8610 (iirc i had to convert the time to account for increased game speed in sc2).
they attack really fast. really fast. it's the same attack speed as a marine. probes and drones have a cooldown of 22. or 1 attack every 0.916 seconds.
i think the only real difference is still the pathing thing. scvs will swoop around and are much better at staying in range to attack in sc2bw. i made changes today (not yet live) that affect the mining speed for each race. this change affects acceleration/deceleration of scvs/drones. i think this will be a fairly big nerf to scvs since they will have a much harder time staying in range (their acceleration was more than halved). afterall an SCV beats a Marine in BW 1v1 without microing the marine. StarCraft was partially crafted during Black History Month. Is that really as bad joke as it looks like?
*resists commenting*
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I would rather see another weekly BW tournament... buuut.. this is not that bad either..
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Were there VODs from the recent tournament? Or was there no scheduled caster?
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Can't wait to watch it live. It's an interesting mod.
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On February 15 2013 01:35 nucLeaRTV wrote: Can't wait to watch it live. It's an interesting mod.
Would be more interesting if you could actually find people to play with..
But yea, also looking forward to it.
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On February 18 2013 08:26 nucLeaRTV wrote: Any vods for Weekly 2?
they should be on lalush's twitch vod archive. they will be on youtube later i imagine. http://www.twitch.tv/lalush5
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I just had a thought..
why is this SC2BW ? when it can be SCBW and with 100$ weekly it would be an amazing tournament played by the best players around ?
wouldnt it be better that way ?
just wondering
edit : + Show Spoiler +the popularity of this tour is really poor too ;(
defiler has a 75$ prizepool and it attracts around 100 people weekly ! best players included. I think this needs to be a BW tour and it would get much much more attention! :D
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the point of the tournament though is to make SC2BW more popular and improve it further. it helps maverck tons to see how it's working.
also some people including myself just love to see a BWish game on the SC2 engine. the spectator settings possibilities are pretty cool.
but yeah, it would be cool if more people would participate. hopefully next one will be better in that regard. it would probably also help to have it at the calendar again. first time it was there.
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On February 19 2013 22:39 Sinedd wrote:I just had a thought.. why is this SC2BW ? when it can be SCBW and with 100$ weekly it would be an amazing tournament played by the best players around ? wouldnt it be better that way ? just wondering edit : + Show Spoiler +the popularity of this tour is really poor too ;(
defiler has a 75$ prizepool and it attracts around 100 people weekly ! best players included. I think this needs to be a BW tour and it would get much much more attention! :D This post could be written by a SC2 fan 1 1/2 years ago. You just have to change "BW" into "SC2" and "SC2BW" into "BW".
Even if BW has a great history and SC2BW has no history, don't call it "dead". I hope the tournament will continue and we see more BW's, exBW's who switched to SC2, and SC2only Pros. I can't see any other chance how these players will ever compete with each other...
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The main problem with this mod is that the engine and the mechanics change the balance. No doubt maverick did a good job, but it will never be like sc:bw.
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On February 20 2013 00:47 Dirtyharry wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 22:39 Sinedd wrote:I just had a thought.. why is this SC2BW ? when it can be SCBW and with 100$ weekly it would be an amazing tournament played by the best players around ? wouldnt it be better that way ? just wondering edit : + Show Spoiler +the popularity of this tour is really poor too ;(
defiler has a 75$ prizepool and it attracts around 100 people weekly ! best players included. I think this needs to be a BW tour and it would get much much more attention! :D This post could be written by a SC2 fan 1 1/2 years ago. You just have to change "BW" into "SC2" and "SC2BW" into "BW". Even if BW has a great history and SC2BW has no history, don't call it "dead". I hope the tournament will continue and we see more BW's, exBW's who switched to SC2, and SC2only Pros. I can't see any other chance how these players will ever compete with each other... I wasnt saying anything about SC2BW being bad.. its just that im wondering is there any sense of organizing a nice tournament in a game that is not SC2 and not BW just.. something in between. Its like the 2012 Proleague with BW and SC2.. instead of choosing one game and play it to the max, they played 2 games and were not amazing at neither..
While BW really needs everything it can get.. so this tour would be an amazing power up for the SCene while SC2 dont need another smaller tournament, it has TONS of it.
Maverick did an amazing job trying to transport the epicness of BW into SC2 but.. its just somehow not working ;(
no hard feelings
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Before sc2...didnt you all expect a sc2 with better graphics and less glitch??Think of dota...A mod became so popular that it made its own identity...If you guys really love BW...You guys should really support this mod..And try to make this mod very popular...I know like me people scare that BW might die..Well...it will die like many other popular games in the past..At least before grow old and stop playing BW..You guys can atleast show the new generation how valture,muta,lurker,tank,zealot,carrier really were through this mod.
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On February 21 2013 08:54 NightElf wrote: Before sc2...didnt you all expect a sc2 with better graphics and less glitch??Think of dota...A mod became so popular that it made its own identity...If you guys really love BW...You guys should really support this mod..And try to make this mod very popular...I know like me people scare that BW might die..Well...it will die like many other popular games in the past..At least before grow old and stop playing BW..You guys can atleast show the new generation how valture,muta,lurker,tank,zealot,carrier really were through this mod.
as long as people play bw its not dead, fish is still so big
and considering there's still quakeworld servers and people having tournaments for games like streetfighter super turbo i don't think that people will stop playing bw any time soon
basically i don't see any point in compromising and trying to play a crappy port of the game when the original is right there
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On February 21 2013 08:54 NightElf wrote: Before sc2...didnt you all expect a sc2 with better graphics and less glitch??Think of dota...A mod became so popular that it made its own identity...If you guys really love BW...You guys should really support this mod..And try to make this mod very popular...I know like me people scare that BW might die..Well...it will die like many other popular games in the past..At least before grow old and stop playing BW..You guys can atleast show the new generation how valture,muta,lurker,tank,zealot,carrier really were through this mod.
You can't force a mod to become popular. It either is or it isn't. You can't pull the DOTA example out when hundreds of games have mods, but very very few mods ever become so popular that they become their own game. DOTA is the exception, not the rule. As far as I know, SC2BW faces the weird problem that it is a turn-off (generally speaking) for both SC2 and BroodWar fans. I personally liked it, but not everyone may feel the same way. The way that SC2 prioritizes UMS and mini-games in it's menu does not allow the vast majority of users to even know that SC2BW exists. The only way you could know is by word-of-mouth, or go through the forums, and as far as I can tell, the SC2 forum really isn't that interested in SC2BW.
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On February 20 2013 19:50 Sinedd wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 00:47 Dirtyharry wrote:On February 19 2013 22:39 Sinedd wrote:I just had a thought.. why is this SC2BW ? when it can be SCBW and with 100$ weekly it would be an amazing tournament played by the best players around ? wouldnt it be better that way ? just wondering edit : + Show Spoiler +the popularity of this tour is really poor too ;(
defiler has a 75$ prizepool and it attracts around 100 people weekly ! best players included. I think this needs to be a BW tour and it would get much much more attention! :D This post could be written by a SC2 fan 1 1/2 years ago. You just have to change "BW" into "SC2" and "SC2BW" into "BW". Even if BW has a great history and SC2BW has no history, don't call it "dead". I hope the tournament will continue and we see more BW's, exBW's who switched to SC2, and SC2only Pros. I can't see any other chance how these players will ever compete with each other... I wasnt saying anything about SC2BW being bad.. its just that im wondering is there any sense of organizing a nice tournament in a game that is not SC2 and not BW just.. something in between. Its like the 2012 Proleague with BW and SC2.. instead of choosing one game and play it to the max, they played 2 games and were not amazing at neither.. While BW really needs everything it can get.. so this tour would be an amazing power up for the SCene while SC2 dont need another smaller tournament, it has TONS of it. Maverick did an amazing job trying to transport the epicness of BW into SC2 but.. its just somehow not working ;( no hard feelings The influence on my feelings is pretty high. I didn't know anything about esports up to the point when Sc2 was released. I followed players like MorroW, Beastyqt and many more. I was excited and enthusiastic.
Then i more and more realized that something is wrong with the game that not even a patch or an expansion can save. I switched to BW and i'm happy with that. But the players i followed can't switch like me, even if they want because Sc2 is their job. When i want to see them i have to watch Sc2, but i don't want to watch Sc2.
With this tournament there is a hope to see a few of them again. It doesn't matter to me if they don't perform like gosu because of their lack of practice in SC2BW or BW. The point is not if a drone spinning around before morph into a pool or a dragoon going up the ramp when you tell him going down. The point is the chance to see them again.
This is the reason why this is not just another Sc2 tournament.
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On February 21 2013 10:37 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 08:54 NightElf wrote: Before sc2...didnt you all expect a sc2 with better graphics and less glitch??Think of dota...A mod became so popular that it made its own identity...If you guys really love BW...You guys should really support this mod..And try to make this mod very popular...I know like me people scare that BW might die..Well...it will die like many other popular games in the past..At least before grow old and stop playing BW..You guys can atleast show the new generation how valture,muta,lurker,tank,zealot,carrier really were through this mod.
You can't force a mod to become popular. It either is or it isn't. You can't pull the DOTA example out when hundreds of games have mods, but very very few mods ever become so popular that they become their own game. DOTA is the exception, not the rule. As far as I know, SC2BW faces the weird problem that it is a turn-off (generally speaking) for both SC2 and BroodWar fans. I personally liked it, but not everyone may feel the same way. The way that SC2 prioritizes UMS and mini-games in it's menu does not allow the vast majority of users to even know that SC2BW exists. The only way you could know is by word-of-mouth, or go through the forums, and as far as I can tell, the SC2 forum really isn't that interested in SC2BW.
Had the mod been finished 1½ year ago I believe it would have stood a chance at killing SC2. It's somewhere around there you will find the cut off point where pros stop posting/interacting with the community, and the community itself becomes jaded because it already has "seen it all" in a thousand shapes and iterations.
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all im saying is that with this amount of players and the amount of publicity this tournament is getting, it would be better for everyone if it turned into a BW tournament.. thats all..
no hate or anything
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I don't see anything bad with this tournament...I mean most brood war players nowadays will stick to brood war, and I see this tournament as 1.) a way for broodwar players to earn some money and 2.) for some sc2 players to get introduced into brood war...I really approve of this tournament; it does no harm but spreads the awesome experience of brood war
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On February 21 2013 08:54 NightElf wrote: Before sc2...didnt you all expect a sc2 with better graphics and less glitch??Think of dota...A mod became so popular that it made its own identity...If you guys really love BW...You guys should really support this mod..And try to make this mod very popular...I know like me people scare that BW might die..Well...it will die like many other popular games in the past..At least before grow old and stop playing BW..You guys can atleast show the new generation how valture,muta,lurker,tank,zealot,carrier really were through this mod.
Ignorance much? No thanks, I'll play Brood War if I want to play the original game.
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On February 26 2013 10:55 traceurling wrote: I don't see anything bad with this tournament...I mean most brood war players nowadays will stick to brood war, and I see this tournament as 1.) a way for broodwar players to earn some money and 2.) for some sc2 players to get introduced into brood war...I really approve of this tournament; it does no harm but spreads the awesome experience of brood war last edition had like.. 9 players ?
thats not too much is it ? so I dont think that anyone from SC2 is introduced to BW thanks to this touirnament..
It may sound harsh or something, but thats the truuth. Organizers would do so much more for BW community if they just made this a BW tournament. The organizers would be loved ALOT AND get big publicity.
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On February 26 2013 19:02 Sinedd wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:55 traceurling wrote: I don't see anything bad with this tournament...I mean most brood war players nowadays will stick to brood war, and I see this tournament as 1.) a way for broodwar players to earn some money and 2.) for some sc2 players to get introduced into brood war...I really approve of this tournament; it does no harm but spreads the awesome experience of brood war last edition had like.. 9 players ? thats not too much is it ? so I dont think that anyone from SC2 is introduced to BW thanks to this touirnament.. It may sound harsh or something, but thats the truuth. Organizers would do so much more for BW community if they just made this a BW tournament. The organizers would be loved ALOT AND get big publicity.
I am just one example, but I never played BW, but got into SC2 right from the start. I recently discovered this mod, and was really surprised at how much more interesting the gameplay was compared to SC2. I even enjoyed the more difficult mechanics of the game, so I got BW and started playing on ICCUP.
However, it is probably true not many people like me got introduced to BW from this mod.
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Can't wait!
By the way, can BW/SC2 noobs register too? (me)
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Of course, the more the merrier! Your skill level doesn't matter.
I will be making a push this week to reach out to more koreans.
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On March 24 2013 19:40 nucLeaRTV wrote: Can't wait!
By the way, can BW/SC2 noobs register too? (me) You will make them Pros happy when they get a warmup This tourney is fun...
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On March 25 2013 00:09 dM-White wrote: this is for wol? right? It should work on WoL.
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