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On March 20 2017 01:27 duke91 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 23:20 LaStScan wrote:On March 19 2017 22:50 gngfn wrote:On March 19 2017 22:46 LaStScan wrote:On March 19 2017 22:39 mdb wrote: that switch to mech cost flash the game True. if it's FS and late mech switch, zerg won't win. 5 gas T mech vs 5 gas zerg is not the same as 5 gas + 2 mineral expo mech vs 5 gas + 2 mineral expo zergI've been repeating about this on my live stream channel, but they won't know. xD I hope they can realize this later in the future. Would you agree that Last's hybrid lategame style is more stable on CB than Flash's hard mech switch? What is his hybrid late game style? Basically instead of going full mech switch, do a mech switch but keep your 5 rax and still mass some bio. Great against zerglings. Isn't there a simcity problem by doing that? Like, in what maps does your main allow you to have what, 9 production buildings? Are you supposed to build factories in wall-in spots at your natural?
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I just came here to say: Omg that final match!
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Just watched as well, sick game
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United States9627 Posts
On March 20 2017 07:24 r33k wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 01:27 duke91 wrote:On March 19 2017 23:20 LaStScan wrote:On March 19 2017 22:50 gngfn wrote:On March 19 2017 22:46 LaStScan wrote:On March 19 2017 22:39 mdb wrote: that switch to mech cost flash the game True. if it's FS and late mech switch, zerg won't win. 5 gas T mech vs 5 gas zerg is not the same as 5 gas + 2 mineral expo mech vs 5 gas + 2 mineral expo zergI've been repeating about this on my live stream channel, but they won't know. xD I hope they can realize this later in the future. Would you agree that Last's hybrid lategame style is more stable on CB than Flash's hard mech switch? What is his hybrid late game style? Basically instead of going full mech switch, do a mech switch but keep your 5 rax and still mass some bio. Great against zerglings. Isn't there a simcity problem by doing that? Like, in what maps does your main allow you to have what, 9 production buildings? Are you supposed to build factories in wall-in spots at your natural? typically you add like another 2-4 factories at the other main or wherever your other gas bases are
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God that last game was amazing, I was so sure that Flash had it since he was at least a base up on Soulkey for the first half of the game or so.
His mech army seemed to be way to tank heavy and clumped up.
A part of me want to say that he seemed to try and do to much but he was effectively denying the 9 o'clock constantly and that was the only clear thing he really did.
Maybe he didn't have a good plan for anything else which is why it seemed like he was everywhere doing everything but no real focus beyond that?
I don't see enough people talk about what absolutely insane dark swarms Soulkey had all over the place, the multitasking and precision to get them down like that had me just gasping with awe.
The narrow narrow hold of the 3rd by Soulkey had my heart racing, god, what a game. Soulkey played sick all day, his comeback in the 2v2 was crazy as well.
I do agree that it felt a bit like Flash was trying for a longer game to make it more exciting, but I don't know. His composition felt weird. I don't think that was actually the case, but it did feel a bit like that.
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Wish I still had my Woongjin badge right now. Woooo! So glad they won!!
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Oh myyy.. I don't understand this game anymore
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Update: Soulkey was the MVP winner in final, prize was about 5000 balloons / 500 usds.
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Watched the game again today, just so good. So happy we have a zerg who can match late game terrans, and against flash of all people. Fuck yeah soulkey, zergs that are good against terrans are always fascinating to watch, hopefully jaedong can catchup but I knew soulkey wouldn't go down easily. I always thought mutas could still be good against late game terran because of all the tanks, and the vessels + goliaths are not enough to counter sneaky mutalisks trying to snipe tanks I think. Soulkey played this perfectly well by really using everything that makes it so hard for a terran to play against in the late game. The overlords floating threatening a drop using advantage of the immobility of a terran's mech army, attacking the other bases in the opposite side of the map at the same time, goddamn defilers + cracklings and ultra everywhere just wrecking havoc on those tanks, so hard for a terran to defend and take the right decisions in those situations. So beautiful and those moments really make a game like bw shine above any other game in my opinion. I was really hoping to see a zerg succeeding against terrans, I wasn't expecting it to be in a finals against flash! Awesome stuff :D
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On March 20 2017 08:15 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 07:24 r33k wrote:On March 20 2017 01:27 duke91 wrote:On March 19 2017 23:20 LaStScan wrote:On March 19 2017 22:50 gngfn wrote:On March 19 2017 22:46 LaStScan wrote:On March 19 2017 22:39 mdb wrote: that switch to mech cost flash the game True. if it's FS and late mech switch, zerg won't win. 5 gas T mech vs 5 gas zerg is not the same as 5 gas + 2 mineral expo mech vs 5 gas + 2 mineral expo zergI've been repeating about this on my live stream channel, but they won't know. xD I hope they can realize this later in the future. Would you agree that Last's hybrid lategame style is more stable on CB than Flash's hard mech switch? What is his hybrid late game style? Basically instead of going full mech switch, do a mech switch but keep your 5 rax and still mass some bio. Great against zerglings. Isn't there a simcity problem by doing that? Like, in what maps does your main allow you to have what, 9 production buildings? Are you supposed to build factories in wall-in spots at your natural? typically you add like another 2-4 factories at the other main or wherever your other gas bases are
last built his factories right outside his FE in front of the two bridges on CB. plenty of room there.
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Wow those drops and dark swarms in the endgame were just amazing. Incredible micro while keeping up huge macro... great final match.
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TLADT24917 Posts
Just got around to watching the games. Pretty entertaining overall and dang, way to go Soulkey! I didn't think anyone would be able to take down Flash late game. My only complaint or rather observation is that I thought Flash played a little less characteristically like himself. He made mnm micro mistakes that felt a bit off and it was odd to see him kinda skimp out on AA. I mean, sure, the valks were a nice addition but they didn't do squat.
Another example is when he tried to attack Soulkey's mineral only at the 7 o'clock position. He walked right into a dark swarm and lost so many tanks to zerglings and ultras; 15 at least. Like, if he didn't keep up with his macro, Soulkey could've taken that game earlier because Flash made lots of those kind of mistakes. He did a great job denying the 9 o'clock base but then he'll have patches of tanks with no mines or vultures or AA around.
Soulkey played it really well so credits to him. The constant drops and aggression+dark swarm use etc... really helped him overcome Flash. I do hope he grows to become a fantastic ZvT player regardless of the stage of the game because the scene really needs someone who can beat Terrans of Flash and Last's caliber. Jaedong seems to still be struggling, ZerO is going to the army and hero isn't doing that well in ZvT. Maybe when Killer comes back, he'll have a chance but it'll take a long while before he gets to the same level he was before.
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Bisutopia18993 Posts
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Amazing last game. Thought flash had that at so many different points. That 5 rax build is so brutal for zergs to defend.
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I literally just watched the vod from a hospital bed. I went in for heart problems and the finals match almost pushed my heart disease into a full blown heart attack.
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On March 20 2017 19:14 SCC-Faust wrote: I literally just watched the vod from a hospital bed. I went in for heart problems and the finals match almost pushed my heart disease into a full blown heart attack.
Wtf really? :O You alright?
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On March 20 2017 19:25 Essbee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 19:14 SCC-Faust wrote: I literally just watched the vod from a hospital bed. I went in for heart problems and the finals match almost pushed my heart disease into a full blown heart attack. Wtf really? :O You alright?
Yes. I live another day. Have Ehlers Danlos syndrome. Life is hard.
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On March 20 2017 16:01 BigFan wrote: the valks were a nice addition but they didn't do squat. They wrecked like 6 full overlords at one point though?
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On March 20 2017 19:42 SCC-Faust wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 19:25 Essbee wrote:On March 20 2017 19:14 SCC-Faust wrote: I literally just watched the vod from a hospital bed. I went in for heart problems and the finals match almost pushed my heart disease into a full blown heart attack. Wtf really? :O You alright? Yes. I live another day. Have Ehlers Danlos syndrome. Life is hard.
I just took the time to read about it, that sucks man, really feel bad for you, I do hope you are able to find solace somehow by doing things you like, like watching awesome bw games. Brood war is too exciting
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