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GGzerG
United States9132 Posts
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Jealous
Russian Federation6615 Posts
On August 13 2017 07:23 SCC-Faust wrote: I assumed they meant low money as in not BGH or FMP - which is misleading in itself cause as far as I'm aware no one even hosts tournaments for those maps. Conversely, people who play those maps are not the type of players who are looking for tournaments. Like 99.9% of players who join a tournament aren't expecting Fastest Map Possible to be in the map pool. Also I thought donations go towards the prize pool? Didn't people donate for the tournament last night? Where does that money go then if not to the players? And totally agree on the racepicking / random thing. Makes no sense at all to remove those options when historically Brood War has always allowed random and racepicking (with exceptions in the Korean scene). Korean scene allowed it. You just had to give advance notice. Which in this case would make no sense. | ||
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Jealous
Russian Federation6615 Posts
On August 13 2017 07:57 GGzerG wrote: If that's true ( taking money from people without giving back / not paying prize $ ), this scene has no room for that type of stuff, players / orgs who do that type of thing aren't welcome especially in BW scene after all that has happened. =P Let's not jump to conclusions. | ||
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SCC-Faust
United States3611 Posts
I tune into these tournaments pretty much every Friday and have a blast watching them. That said, I think it can only be positive to have some discussion about the tournaments. If the tournament organizers feel like they agree with some of the suggested changes, then they can change it. If not, at least the viewers / players can get clarification and understand why some rules are the way they are. | ||
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jamesuh
United States78 Posts
Secondly, all of our previous tournaments on Battlefy had this verbiage under prizes: "There is no official prize pool as of yet, however, this may be eligible to change depending on donations and sponsorships." If donations were given with the specific intent of creating a prize pool, we would have given it straight to the winner. We have not given out a prize for any of our previous tournaments on Battlefy, and no one has brought up any issues on this until now, so I thought there was no confusion. That was our fault. We'll update the information on Battlefy to be more clear. Again, I apologize to all previous participants. | ||
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GGzerG
United States9132 Posts
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SCC-Faust
United States3611 Posts
On August 13 2017 08:46 jamesuh wrote: We have not given out a prize for any of our previous tournaments on Battlefy, and no one has brought up any issues on this until now, so I thought there was no confusion. That was our fault. We'll update the information on Battlefy to be more clear. Again, I apologize to all previous participants. Honestly I never brought it up before because I assumed the players got the money from the donations. Only realized that isn't true when Ty2 said something. | ||
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HerbMon
United States345 Posts
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SCC-Faust
United States3611 Posts
Edit: Now that I think about it, I remember it being mentioned from the casters quite a few times in one of the casts I think. | ||
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619
United States87 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium5503 Posts
On August 13 2017 08:57 HerbMon wrote: Players do get money only if the donation says specifically to give it to the winner. I ask myself how many donors just donated to the tournament thinking they were contributing to the prize pool but instead it goes to hmm who? Also lets hope also if there was a considerable donation the organizer has the decent manner to add some prizepool to his tourney.as ty2 mentioned he was playing for 7 hours imagine all the time he used while organizers get it all  | ||
Ty2
United States1098 Posts
On August 13 2017 15:38 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: I ask myself how many donors just donated to the tournament thinking they were contributing to the prize pool but instead it goes to hmm who? Also lets hope also if there was a considerable donation the organizer has the decent manner to add some prizepool to his tourney.as ty2 mentioned he was playing for 7 hours imagine all the time he used while organizers get it all I don't think anyone should be asking questions that would suggest suspicion of wrongdoing on the part of the organizers. I think asking you if you actually watched the stream yourself is a fair question to ask if you're going to pose such controversial rhetorical questions and statements. I want to dispel even the slightest impression of dishonesty. I was watching the stream in between matches and I watched all the streams the previous weeks before. These guys are not here to make a cheap buck. They put a lot of passion, commitment, and time into putting on a good show and event for people to have a chance to compete The casters, DocHoliday, ThaDirtyG, and Herbmon say something along the lines of, "if you want to support the stream and the weekly tournaments you're free to donate." They don't explicitly state donations would be for the prize pool, so I'm sure no one was duped. Personally, I am not upset at all and would have participated anyway even if there was no prize pool. Even the tournaments weeks before lasted around 4 hours or so and had no prize pool. I think the only reason I thought there was a prize pool this time was because I began noticing the term low-money and misinterpreting it. In conjunction, I saw Dewalt participate which was really strange considering the hours are very European unfriendly, so he wouldn't have much incentive to play otherwise. As far as I'm concerned, they're free to use the donations however they want to as they gave no false sense to donators where the money would go. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium5503 Posts
On August 13 2017 18:11 Ty2 wrote: I don't think anyone should be asking questions that would suggest suspicion of wrongdoing on the part of the organizers. I think asking you if you actually watched the stream yourself is a fair question to ask if you're going to pose such controversial rhetorical questions and statements. I want to dispel even the slightest impression of dishonesty. I was watching the stream in between matches and I watched all the streams the previous weeks before. These guys are not here to make a cheap buck. They put a lot of passion, commitment, and time into putting on a good show and event for people to have a chance to compete The casters, DocHoliday, ThaDirtyG, and Herbmon say something along the lines of, "if you want to support the stream and the weekly tournaments you're free to donate." They don't explicitly state donations would be for the prize pool, so I'm sure no one was duped. Personally, I am not upset at all and would have participated anyway even if there was no prize pool. Even the tournaments weeks before lasted around 4 hours or so and had no prize pool. I think the only reason I thought there was a prize pool this time was because I began noticing the term low-money and misinterpreting it. In conjunction, I saw Dewalt participate which was really strange considering the hours are very European unfriendly, so he wouldn't have much incentive to play otherwise. As far as I'm concerned, they're free to use the donations however they want to as they gave no false sense to donators where the money would go. Do u understand it all started with you right? Next time if you dont want something like this happens pm the organizer. | ||
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Ty2
United States1098 Posts
On August 13 2017 19:09 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Do u understand it all started with you right? Next time if you dont want something like this happens pm the organizer. What all started with me? You inferring foul misconduct of the tournament organizers has nothing to do with me inquiring about being more specific about prize pools from a simple misunderstanding. Just because I brought up the issue and it somehow led to you going off the rails akin to GGZerg's jumping to conclusions does not automatically brush away any insensitivity on your part. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium5503 Posts
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Ty2
United States1098 Posts
Also, I don't really know what accusing me of bad mouthing people and talking behind their backs has anything to do with the current discussion. Was my assumption wrong that you were inferring the tournaments organizers were being greedy and unethical? I didn't use that as an excuse to bad mouth you, which I didn't. I just said that's not the case at all and I think inferring that in the first place was irresponsible, potentially slandering the name of the tournament and sk clan. I say that especially because you are making assumptions based on no actual experience as you haven't participated in or been involved with the tourney in any way. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium5503 Posts
Be water my friend To the organizers im sorry something like this did happen.when will be the next tourney? I will like to donate to the tourney winner. | ||
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SCC-Faust
United States3611 Posts
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Psyonic_Reaver
United States3933 Posts
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619
United States87 Posts
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