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Sign up here - > http://challonge.com/BTRO
When: Thursday, Aug 24 5:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Format: if Round of 32 then round 1 is Bo1 Bo3 until finals Finals - Bo5
Prizing: $100 Prize Pool initially 1st - 60% 2nd - 30% (10% megatax)
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Map Pool: - first map prepicked, loser picks next map - Blue Storm1.2 Circuit Breaker 1.0 Fighting Spirit1.3 Jade 2.1 Outsider 2.2
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Awesome, just wondering since this is MDT and your location says Canada, are you from Calgary or Edmonton?
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Cool, see you then
*Ah its super late for Europe, maybe not then :D
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On August 24 2017 06:26 iG.Arcneon wrote:Cool, see you then *Ah its super late for Europe, maybe not then :D 19:00 cest is super late?
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7pm is like the perfect time for Europe, do you go to bed after you watched the Sandman?
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Apologies if the time is not beneficial for everyone, however, this is the same time we have run every single one of our European based events in the last 3+ years. It will not be changing.
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United Kingdom12010 Posts
Signed up. What's the worst that can happen? :D
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On August 24 2017 07:06 BasetradeTV wrote: Apologies if the time is not beneficial for everyone, however, this is the same time we have run every single one of our European based events in the last 3+ years. It will not be changing. is this tournament opened for all?
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What... xD I put GMT+3h to google and it gave me very different time haha Ok this sounds great then ;-)
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Sick!! Signing up Thanks this is awesome
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Can someone make countdown pls?
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Sweet. I'm off Thursday so I signed up. I put my challenge name as my battle.net name mcgarrah.
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For all the new players who don't regularly compete in our events, important information for tomorrow:
- Please be in channel BaseTradeTV (/join BaseTradeTV) to find your opponent
- If you have any questions or concerns please contact the admin: DARERS
- You must go to the bracket and check-in at least 30 minutes before the event in order to play
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Woah, that's neat!
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I'm guessing it is in channel 'BaseTradeTV' on EU.
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Bearded Elder29875 Posts
I know that bracket will still change once more people sign up but actually I'm matched against my fellow Staff member FlaShFTW, awesome, I hope we can clash tonight Q(','Q)
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Hey i'll be at home 19:20 cet time, can i still play please? Also if any admin can msg me the mail i have in use for account: trutaCz i'll be very thankful.
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United Kingdom3685 Posts
The bracket currently has ret vs trutacz first round!! Excited to watch this
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hm. I noticed trutacz and bonyth both created new accounts on tl. did they lose password or cannot reset at all? o.o
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Did TrutaCz lose his password? Did Bonyth lose his password as well or is creating a new account on TL a new trend? Will detective Scan help solve this case and win another tournament in BW Foreign scene while helping TL MOD's find TrutaCz password?
Find the answers to all of these question and more at the BaseTrade Remastered open.
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So does this start in 2h 54min or when?
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On August 24 2017 23:06 iG.Arcneon wrote: So does this start in 2h 54min or when? Yes Clawson, it starts in 2h54min
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Ok great , thank you
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Basetrade can u answer my question please? Thanks in advice :p
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so many players,lot of old names,very cool
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On August 24 2017 23:23 Trutaacz wrote: Basetrade can u answer my question please? Thanks in advice :p
Walk over timer is 15 minutes.
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Will watch :D. Would play but Cannot stay on long on a Thursday due to work.
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On August 25 2017 02:14 Trutaacz wrote: Thanks...
why r u not playing?
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I asked for 20min, they dont care.
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On August 25 2017 02:22 Trutaacz wrote: I asked for 20min, they dont care. Is there a reason why they should? You can't make it, sucks for you.
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So I read in MaNa's chat that Serral vs Bonyth was a 40+ min game? Does anyone know how good Serral is at this game / if he's been streaming it or plans to stream?
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On August 25 2017 02:23 Ansibled wrote:Is there a reason why they should? You can't make it, sucks for you.
It also sucks for viewers who like to watch good players like trutaacz. 5 minutes delay in round1 is nothing.
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Bonyth is up 1-0 against Scan.
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Casting tip for Base Trade TV: do not zoom out/in for too long or too often. Keep the standard zoom 99% of the time.
Edit: observer has been playing around with zoom waaaay too much now, like 5 straight minutes of max zoom out. Maybe I'm the exception, but that's awful to watch to the point I left the stream!
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On August 25 2017 05:29 fabiano wrote: Casting tip for Base Trade TV: do not zoom out/in for too long or too often. Keep the standard zoom 99% of the time.
Edit: observer has been playing around with zoom waaaay too much now, like 5 straight minutes of max zoom out. Maybe I'm the exception, but that's awful to watch to the point I left the stream!
I agree with this viewpoint on the zoom functionality.
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You guys see that player move his stasis units by worker drilling them up the ramp? Has that always been possible?
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On August 25 2017 06:57 Beirut wrote: You guys see that player move his stasis units by worker drilling them up the ramp? Has that always been possible? It certainly looked odd, not sure if i have seen it before. Someone else who knows more about the game pls?!
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It has always been possible
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On August 25 2017 07:03 ii.blitzkrieg wrote: It has always been possible
Holy shit. I need to remember to do that.
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This casting is a joke...There's a guy who constantly shits on BW.Both of them dont know the names of buldings ???? They make viewers donate otherwise they wont cast bw again (wtf is this ???) They dont know players either.I mean come on , at least learn the fucking buildings names or players who joined Your tour(google, nice talent toi have).
The lady seems allright I guess , but this dude gives so much negative attitude.She has some basic knowledge and She's not shitting on the game which She's casting.
I don't mind SC2 casters making BW tours...Like Schamtoo.He wasnt perfect caster either but You could see him trying , learning every cast.He put his money into tours and didn't ask for anything in return.
"We've expected Mana in finals" Wait what ? I'm Polish and i really hope Mana becomes top tier foreigner but at this point He's nowhere near top tier foreign players. He was lucky with bracket to get to semifinals...How can You expect player to go to finals becouse he's good at different game ??
Go cast Your SC2 torunaments and dont come back.. Allright , my frustration was spilled out.I accept the punishment for my post(I hope this will end with warning only )
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On August 25 2017 07:29 NewbOnTheFloor wrote:This casting is a joke...There's a guy who constantly shits on BW.Both of them dont know the names of buldings ???? They make viewers donate otherwise they wont cast bw again (wtf is this ???) They dont know players either.I mean come on , at least learn the fucking buildings names or players who joined Your tour(google, nice talent toi have). The lady seems allright I guess , but this dude gives so much negative attitude.She has some basic knowledge and She's not shitting on the game which She's casting. I don't mind SC2 casters making BW tours...Like Schamtoo.He wasnt perfect caster either but You could see him trying , learning every cast.He put his money into tours and didn't ask for anything in return. "We've expected Mana in finals" Wait what ? I'm Polish and i really hope Mana becomes top tier foreigner but at this point He's nowhere near top tier foreign players. He was lucky with bracket to get to semifinals...How can You expect player to go to finals becouse he's good at different game ?? Go cast Your SC2 torunaments and dont come back.. Allright , my frustration was spilled out.I accept the punishment for my post(I hope this will end with warning only ) Careful your skating on thin ice with the last part, I understand and agree with the sentiment of your post, ZombieGrub did a great job casting and trying to understand the game although Rifkin is overall negative and biased caster as they come, I pretty much disliked Rifkin constantly bringing up SC2 in a BW tournament, although I guess a lot of the viewers were from SC2 so it was a good marketing "ploy" if you will....anyways, thanks for hosting the tournament regardless, please less talk about SC2 next time while you are casting games. gl hf gg.
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On August 25 2017 07:29 NewbOnTheFloor wrote:This casting is a joke...There's a guy who constantly shits on BW.Both of them dont know the names of buldings ???? They make viewers donate otherwise they wont cast bw again (wtf is this ???) They dont know players either.I mean come on , at least learn the fucking buildings names or players who joined Your tour(google, nice talent toi have). The lady seems allright I guess , but this dude gives so much negative attitude.She has some basic knowledge and She's not shitting on the game which She's casting. I don't mind SC2 casters making BW tours...Like Schamtoo.He wasnt perfect caster either but You could see him trying , learning every cast.He put his money into tours and didn't ask for anything in return. "We've expected Mana in finals" Wait what ? I'm Polish and i really hope Mana becomes top tier foreigner but at this point He's nowhere near top tier foreign players. He was lucky with bracket to get to semifinals...How can You expect player to go to finals becouse he's good at different game ?? Go cast Your SC2 torunaments and dont come back.. Allright , my frustration was spilled out.I accept the punishment for my post(I hope this will end with warning only )
I agree with all of this. Also not sure why half the semi commentary was just shitting on Scan. Additionally, wasn't entertaining or informative. People don't need to have Pro level commentary on the games, but dont BS the viewers.
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On August 25 2017 07:29 NewbOnTheFloor wrote: Go cast Your SC2 torunaments and dont come back..
Don't ever say that, please. They're taking a leap of faith to come cast some Brood War, and if this scene has taught me anything in my running my tournaments, it's very quick to kick people back "out" of the scene. Don't shove people away, give them your thoughts constructively and let them decide. Or don't, but either way you don't need to kick people out.
We, as a scene and a community, should instead applaud them for doing a SC:Remastered tournament, and I'm happy for it. <3
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Agree with others, Zombiegrub did a great job casting.
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Zombiegrub genuinely likes bw and it showed, great job ZG!
please consider working with schamtoo or something if you're interested in casting more bw
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On August 25 2017 07:54 SchAmToo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 07:29 NewbOnTheFloor wrote: Go cast Your SC2 torunaments and dont come back.. Don't ever say that, please. They're taking a leap of faith to come cast some Brood War, and if this scene has taught me anything in my running my tournaments, it's very quick to kick people back "out" of the scene. Don't shove people away, give them your thoughts constructively and let them decide. Or don't, but either way you don't need to kick people out. We, as a scene and a community, should instead applaud them for doing a SC:Remastered tournament, and I'm happy for it. <3
I might be wrong since I don't know you personally, but you've always given me the impression that you're a better human being than Rifkin, and more professional.
Rifkin has proven many times over the last 5 years in SC2 that he is very childish, arrogant and negative even when he is in the wrong and highly ignorant. If he's unwilling to improve then as far as I'm concerned I don't want him in the BW community.
Money is good, but a tournament where the casters don't know the game and one of them is actively being negative and unabashedly ignorant is not something I'm interested in, and that's why I have stuck to MaNa and Scan's streams.
Let me give two pro tips here:
#1: Don't shit on the game you're casting.
#2: Don't guilt and shame viewers into donating "otherwise we won't do another one", especially when you're trying to break into a previously established scene. Furthermore, don't act like your $100 online tournament is some kind of messiah of the scene and hold it to ransom with asking for donations in such a rude way.
It's really easy not to fail at them. In fact I can't remember the last time someone failed both at the same time.
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I'm aware there's nothing to gain by posting this, since facts probably won't change your mind, but I don't like the idea of all the entitlement here going uncontested so let's break it down:
I don't care that any of you don't like me (Rifkin), but what I do care is how non-constructive the replies in this thread are. If you want to complain, you can still do so in such a way that's helpful (example: the guy complaining about the camera, while in a very immature manner, made it clear that even though I enjoyed the super zoom out, the audience might not and could adjust accordingly). There's zero reason for us to continue creating content for entitled posters who think tournaments are free, and talent should be a certain way.
EDIT: Regarding the "demand" for more money:
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Several complaints were brought up in chat, as well as implications from some of the replies in this thread, that it was terrible of us to 'demand' money to do more events. What? We have a budget that's been set for things such as SC2, so stating that we cannot (or, won't, depending on your biased interpretation) do more SC:R content without the money to do so is just a fact.
Yes, and if you present this fact in a very rude fashion (on top of other rudeness towards the game in general), people will call you out on it. There's nothing wrong with asking for money, if you are nice about it and don't make it sound like you're guilt-tripping the viewers or holding your tournament for ransom or something.
You need more content creators for SC:R, we (BaseTradeTV) don't need more SC:R content.
Here you go again with your messiah complex. No. Don't tell us what you think we need. If you're going to be so confrontational and pretend like you're doing the BW community some kind of massive favour by running this small cup and casting it poorly, then don't let the door hit you on the way out buddy.
You do this all the fucking time in SC2, you run tournaments and then deflect all criticism with "oh but it's technically monetarily successful" and "you need this more than we need it". Why are you such a child Rifkin?
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Korean people in chat said you were racist towards Koreans.
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On August 25 2017 08:22 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote + Several complaints were brought up in chat, as well as implications from some of the replies in this thread, that it was terrible of us to 'demand' money to do more events. What? We have a budget that's been set for things such as SC2, so stating that we cannot (or, won't, depending on your biased interpretation) do more SC:R content without the money to do so is just a fact.
Yes, and if you present this fact in a very rude fashion (on top of other rudeness towards the game in general), people will call you out on it. There's nothing wrong with asking for money, if you are nice about it and don't make it sound like you're guilt-tripping the viewers or holding your tournament for ransom or something. Show nested quote +You need more content creators for SC:R, we (BaseTradeTV) don't need more SC:R content.
Here you go again with your messiah complex. No. Don't tell us what you think we need. If you're going to be so confrontational and pretend like you're doing the BW community some kind of massive favour by running this small cup and casting it poorly, then don't let the door hit you on the way out buddy. You do this all the fucking time in SC2, you run tournaments and then deflect all criticism with "oh but it's technically monetarily successful" and "you need this more than we need it". Why are you such a child Rifkin?
Alleged complex aside, prove me wrong?
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lol rifkin really is an asshole i personally hope they never cast another broodwar tourney again with this horrible attitude
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On August 25 2017 08:26 BasetradeTV wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 08:22 207aicila wrote: Several complaints were brought up in chat, as well as implications from some of the replies in this thread, that it was terrible of us to 'demand' money to do more events. What? We have a budget that's been set for things such as SC2, so stating that we cannot (or, won't, depending on your biased interpretation) do more SC:R content without the money to do so is just a fact.
Yes, and if you present this fact in a very rude fashion (on top of other rudeness towards the game in general), people will call you out on it. There's nothing wrong with asking for money, if you are nice about it and don't make it sound like you're guilt-tripping the viewers or holding your tournament for ransom or something. You need more content creators for SC:R, we (BaseTradeTV) don't need more SC:R content.
Here you go again with your messiah complex. No. Don't tell us what you think we need. If you're going to be so confrontational and pretend like you're doing the BW community some kind of massive favour by running this small cup and casting it poorly, then don't let the door hit you on the way out buddy. You do this all the fucking time in SC2, you run tournaments and then deflect all criticism with "oh but it's technically monetarily successful" and "you need this more than we need it". Why are you such a child Rifkin? Alleged complex aside, prove me wrong?
Prove you wrong on what? I don't care that it makes you money. No one gives a fuck. You are the only one who gives a fuck because it's the only defense you have for your shortcomings. That's not the point. The point is people do not care about you as much as your zealous fanboys and Twitch money make you think. Do you realize you could use the money argument to rationalize anything, from Nickelback being an amazing band to Big Bang Theory being an amazing TV show or Donald Trump being an amazing businessman?
BW community in particular is not gonna take your shit since you didn't follow BW, you are shitting on BW during your tournament cast and you are being a confrontational, unprofessional individual as always in our own fucking home.
Just because your own fans seem to support you, doesn't mean that anyone other than that niche group of people NEEDS you.
You are the one who is massively ignorant of the game and its scene here, you have shown disrespect during your cast, and still you are the one being condescending and acting like some high and mighty saviour? No thank you sir.
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if a second edition will happen take in consideration to make it foreigners only please.
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On August 25 2017 08:29 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 08:26 BasetradeTV wrote:On August 25 2017 08:22 207aicila wrote: Several complaints were brought up in chat, as well as implications from some of the replies in this thread, that it was terrible of us to 'demand' money to do more events. What? We have a budget that's been set for things such as SC2, so stating that we cannot (or, won't, depending on your biased interpretation) do more SC:R content without the money to do so is just a fact.
Yes, and if you present this fact in a very rude fashion (on top of other rudeness towards the game in general), people will call you out on it. There's nothing wrong with asking for money, if you are nice about it and don't make it sound like you're guilt-tripping the viewers or holding your tournament for ransom or something. You need more content creators for SC:R, we (BaseTradeTV) don't need more SC:R content.
Here you go again with your messiah complex. No. Don't tell us what you think we need. If you're going to be so confrontational and pretend like you're doing the BW community some kind of massive favour by running this small cup and casting it poorly, then don't let the door hit you on the way out buddy. You do this all the fucking time in SC2, you run tournaments and then deflect all criticism with "oh but it's technically monetarily successful" and "you need this more than we need it". Why are you such a child Rifkin? Alleged complex aside, prove me wrong? Prove you wrong on what? I don't care that it makes you money. No one gives a fuck. You are the only one who gives a fuck because it's the only defense you have for your shortcomings. That's not the point. The point is people do not care about you as much as your zealous fanboys and Twitch money make you think. Do you realize you could use the money argument to rationalize anything, from Nickelback being an amazing band to Big Bang Theory being an amazing TV show or Donald Trump being an amazing businessman? BW community in particular is not gonna take your shit since you didn't follow BW, you are shitting on BW during your tournament cast and you are being a confrontational, unprofessional individual as always in our own fucking home. Just because your own fans seem to support you, doesn't mean that anyone other than that niche group of people NEEDS you. You are the one who is massively ignorant of the game and its scene here, you have shown disrespect during your cast, and still you are the one being condescending and acting like some high and mighty saviour? No thank you sir.
Okay so to summarize: you have no rational argument, just simply don't like me, and are worried about me ruining "your" scene, is that correct?
Just don't watch it then. I don't have to deal with an entitled twat, and you don't have to endure a content creator you don't enjoy. Not sure why you think lashing out on a forum will change that or make you feel any better? Regardless, I hope whatever it is going in your real life that's got you all worked up gets better so you can enjoy more things more often.
PS. Please consider writing all of your thoughts out fully before mashing post, instead of constantly editing, it makes replying very difficult.
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On August 25 2017 08:36 BasetradeTV wrote: Okay so to summarize: you have no rational argument, just simply don't like me.
TIL that "don't insult the game you are casting when you are trying to break into a new market" is not a rational argument.
Well played Rifkin, you have proven your quality once more.
I think your responses speak for themselves, I have nothing more that I want to show the court of public opinion.
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Not this foreigner only bull**** again
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You guys never cease to amaze me. I am not the biggest rifkin fan in the world but his comment here is actually completely reasonable: + Show Spoiler +On August 25 2017 08:20 BasetradeTV wrote:I'm aware there's nothing to gain by posting this, since facts probably won't change your mind, but I don't like the idea of all the entitlement here going uncontested so let's break it down:I don't care that any of you don't like me (Rifkin), but what I do care is how non-constructive the replies in this thread are. If you want to complain, you can still do so in such a way that's helpful (example: the guy complaining about the camera, while in a very immature manner, made it clear that even though I enjoyed the super zoom out, the audience might not and could adjust accordingly). There's zero reason for us to continue creating content for entitled posters who think tournaments are free, and talent should be a certain way.
But hey let's just attack everyone who doesn't treat bw as the word of god even if they actively do something for the scene. Some weeks/months ago you already made sure another tournament holder won't do any more in the future. If that is really what you want keep being little children who complaint about a caster comparing bw to sc2, stating someone is "shitting on bw" when he simply doesn't worship it, etc. Unbelievable...
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On August 25 2017 08:22 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote + Several complaints were brought up in chat, as well as implications from some of the replies in this thread, that it was terrible of us to 'demand' money to do more events. What? We have a budget that's been set for things such as SC2, so stating that we cannot (or, won't, depending on your biased interpretation) do more SC:R content without the money to do so is just a fact.
Yes, and if you present this fact in a very rude fashion (on top of other rudeness towards the game in general), people will call you out on it. There's nothing wrong with asking for money, if you are nice about it and don't make it sound like you're guilt-tripping the viewers or holding your tournament for ransom or something. Show nested quote +You need more content creators for SC:R, we (BaseTradeTV) don't need more SC:R content.
Here you go again with your messiah complex. No. Don't tell us what you think we need. If you're going to be so confrontational and pretend like you're doing the BW community some kind of massive favour by running this small cup and casting it poorly, then don't let the door hit you on the way out buddy. You do this all the fucking time in SC2, you run tournaments and then deflect all criticism with "oh but it's technically monetarily successful" and "you need this more than we need it". Why are you such a child Rifkin?
To be entirely fair, the posters in the thread lashed out first. Also, he's right in one respect, the community needs talent more than talent needs the community, it's a complex that has never been understood by the bw community and may never be understood. It's the primary reason that there is a lack of foreign tournaments.
With that being said, if you think their model is garbage, don't tune in, but I'm sure the players like to have events to play in even though the viewership perspective is slightly (or entirely) degraded. (I'm not saying the players are any better at withholding their opinions :p )
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On August 25 2017 08:17 207aicila wrote: especially when you're trying to break into a previously established scene.
I don't think you can throw around the phrase "previously established scene" when the scene was dead up until a month ago.
You don't like Rifkin? Whatever, you don't have to like every caster. Don't like people asking for money for another tournament? That's cool, but BaseTrade kinda runs like NPR, it requires financial support from its audience in order to create content.
Since BW is such an "established scene," you should have no problem tuning into another stream of another BW tournament with other casters that are more to your liking.
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On August 25 2017 08:38 The_Red_Viper wrote:
But hey let's just attack everyone who doesn't treat bw as the word of god
I will say it once more because you don't seem to understand.
Insulting the game you are casting is not a good idea, and doubly so if you are testing the waters for expanding into a new market with an established fanbase.
No one said anything about bowing to the ground and groveling at the feet of the statue of BW, but not insulting it and showing at least some effort in trying to understand it would be a much appreciated start.
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Quick reminder: The Brood War community doesnt watch these kind of tournaments. Its the Stacraft 2/Basetrade community who brings in the viewership. The Brood War community usually peaked around ~30 viewer for their tournamants. The stuff Bisu Dagger hosted. Where are the native brood war community tournaments anyway? By the way: Its not Brood War. Its Remastered. And they can host whatever the fuck they want
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On August 25 2017 08:40 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 08:17 207aicila wrote: especially when you're trying to break into a previously established scene. I don't think you can throw around the phrase "previously established scene" when the scene was dead up until a month ago.
Thank you for revealing your deep ignorance by claiming the scene was dead. It is clear your finger is not on the pulse of BW.
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I didn't catch the whole tournament but for the few games i watched i didn't see anything which would be adequately described as "insulting the game". Maybe you should actually point out what you mean.
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Whatever, I see the SC2 people have come in droves to brigade a thread in a forum where they don't really belong, with specious arguments and tremendous ignorance disguised as "facts" (ironic since they're literally false).
It must be sad to be so insecure that you figuratively barge into others' homes like this and talk shit about things you literally do not know or understand.
Have fun kids.
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why would you want to ban koreans? its only 1 korean who plays in these tournaments anyways. and why not use a commentator who knows and likes the game? Im sure there are people out there who would come on and commentate for you guys.
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On August 25 2017 08:44 207aicila wrote: Whatever, I see the SC2 people have come in droves to brigade a thread in a forum where they don't really belong, with specious arguments and tremendous ignorance disguised as "facts" (ironic since they're literally false).
It must be sad to be so insecure that you figuratively barge into others' homes like this and talk shit about things you literally do not know or understand.
Have fun kids.
I'm about as SC2 as they get.
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On August 25 2017 08:44 207aicila wrote: It must be sad to be so insecure that you figuratively barge into others' homes like this and talk shit about things you literally do not know or understand.
It's also upsetting to see someone so insecure that one person giving what they think is an honest opinion turns into a huge thread flamewar.
Brood War "scene" is very touchy on who should and shouldn't be in their scene. Who cares if they're from SC2 or not? I am too. And Heroes. Should I leave?
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On August 25 2017 08:44 207aicila wrote: Whatever, I see the SC2 people have come in droves to brigade a thread in a forum where they don't really belong, with specious arguments and tremendous ignorance disguised as "facts" (ironic since they're literally false).
Have fun kids.
Facts, not 'facts'
Regarding the "demand" for more money: https://clips.twitch.tv/DiligentReliableCattleDuDudu Are you going to still argue that this was anything other than a simple explanation of how we'd fund more SC:R content?
Maybe you should just accept that your belligerent behaviour is wrong, and consider changing? Or not, really, you do you
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Begging for money huh?? Guilt tripping? Forgive my bluntness but what are you tripping on. The entire basis of Basetradetv is that it is a COMMUNITY RUN tournament organizer. The caster's are payed a small portion of the proceeds, maybe 10%, and the rest is used to cast MORE tournaments. If you don't say "Hey guy's, we need this money so we can continue casting" whatever game, then people are gonna think Rifkin and ZG are like a real organization with actual cash in there pockets.Neither Rifkin, or Zombiegrub, have jobs, and I assure you, are not rich. You are being unethical and childish in your own reasoning. Also, you DO NOT speak for an entire community @newbonthefloor. What a joke this thread is, for real. I made an account just to say how bloody stupid you are. Messiah complex? Brah who the F@$# would not want MORE PEOPLE IN THE SCENE. Don't make me laugh.
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On August 25 2017 08:44 207aicila wrote: Whatever, I see the SC2 people have come in droves to brigade a thread in a forum where they don't really belong, with specious arguments and tremendous ignorance disguised as "facts" (ironic since they're literally false).
It must be sad to be so insecure that you figuratively barge into others' homes like this and talk shit about things you literally do not know or understand.
Have fun kids.
Ok so you cannot point to anything, thanks i thought so. This has nothing to do with "sc2 people", the sheer fact that you think this is actually a good description of what is going on is telling. No actual arguments -> make this into bw vs sc2 yet again. A classic.
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I don't know who these guys are who keep flaming tournament organizers and trying to run them out of the community but it isn't helping the community. TBH I'm not really impressed with the Rifkin guy or how he responded to some legitimate criticisms during the tournament but who cares. Running tournaments is hard and unless some other people around here are going to pick up and run something themselves I'd rather they not tell people to go away.
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Can't we have a single new tournament without a meltdown? What happened to our once so great community.
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I guess some people really didn't like your way of saying it. "you're gonna have to fill the donation bar" but what do i know. I like it that there are more and new tournaments
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Honestly these guys are just plain rude anyways, I questioned them once about the $100 initial prize pool and they tried to run me off calling me 1 out of 2000 that misinterpreted the explanation "stupid" and "retarded" and banned me from chat. Real professional
Aside from that? Kick ass job organizing a broodwar tournament, the community needs people willing to do these things. Great show in your stream, great prize money. All around good job just work on your PR skills pls
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Dear BaseTradeTV. Why you guys accept korean semi-pro players to this tournament? Scan can beat korean progamers, so maybe you ban him from foreign tournament, and stop feed him? (free top1 prize pool for Scan, 2-0 2-0 2-0 2-0 all games with no one chance to opponent)
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They had already decided to not restrict player pool so there is no use crying about it. There are many people who sign up to these weekly tournaments and have no chance of beating players like Bonyth anyway..
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Too see all these people come here and bash a content creator for SC:R pisses me off, it doesn't matter what was said the fact that there doing it shows they are trying. I for one and very upset I missed there cast and hope to watch the vod on youtube or twitch later as there are very few people even streaming it at this moment (maybe 4 or 5) and I have yet too see any actual tournement dont yet (other than the launch event). so if you dislike the content dont watch your ruining it for the rest of us.
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I wanted to comment on that we apparently "don't belong" even though we play, watch and like BW as well as SC2 - but luckily there are a lot of people that are friendly after all and this person that said it was just... really silly.
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jesus fucking christ you all make me sick
first you do it with schamtoo and filthy, now you're doing it with bttv?
no wonder people want to stay away from contributing.
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On August 25 2017 08:47 Kitytheneko wrote: Begging for money huh?? Guilt tripping? Forgive my bluntness but what are you tripping on. The entire basis of Basetradetv is that it is a COMMUNITY RUN tournament organizer. The caster's are payed a small portion of the proceeds, maybe 10%, and the rest is used to cast MORE tournaments. If you don't say "Hey guy's, we need this money so we can continue casting" whatever game, then people are gonna think Rifkin and ZG are like a real organization with actual cash in there pockets.Neither Rifkin, or Zombiegrub, have jobs, and I assure you, are not rich. You are being unethical and childish in your own reasoning. Also, you DO NOT speak for an entire community @newbonthefloor. What a joke this thread is, for real. I made an account just to say how bloody stupid you are. Messiah complex? Brah who the F@$# would not want MORE PEOPLE IN THE SCENE. Don't make me laugh.
Begging for money for more entertaining contents sounds perfectly fine from my experience and point of the goal to achieve. In korea, people dont mind spending more than 10 bucks at the arcade, watching some funny streams and so on.
Maybe people are TOO USED to "free" in my opinion. Streamers are not viewers' puppet and TV that viewers can ALWAYS watch and enjoy their life.
Ive seen many people asked me to commentate games and my thought process. Sometimes i do it for free and sometimes not. Why? I've played numbers of hours to gain my own game sense knowledge (especially TvZ insane valkyrie opening and some tvp tricks). Even if i do it for free, i wouldnt give away everything. U know
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On August 25 2017 08:58 Astralis-fan wrote: Dear BaseTradeTV. Why you guys accept korean semi-pro players to this tournament? Scan can beat korean progamers, so maybe you ban him from foreign tournament, and stop feed him? (free top1 prize pool for Scan, 2-0 2-0 2-0 2-0 all games with no one chance to opponent)
Disallow korean u mean? I dont like to hear "ban him" cuz people are picking on me. ))
Tournament started at 2am in the morning for me. I played right after twitch tv platform vs afreeca tv platform event friendly match up. I streamed 12 hours, almostly fell asleep while i was waiting for semifinal match up and so on. I dont mind having more korean players in this tournament because it will be a great practice for me.
Question would be, "will other koreans do the same as what scan did?" Idk. We'll know and figure out later.
Btw people shoukd stop saying free money to scan when im almost all the time playing at 2am 4am korea.
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On August 25 2017 09:20 LaStScan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 08:47 Kitytheneko wrote: Begging for money huh?? Guilt tripping? Forgive my bluntness but what are you tripping on. The entire basis of Basetradetv is that it is a COMMUNITY RUN tournament organizer. The caster's are payed a small portion of the proceeds, maybe 10%, and the rest is used to cast MORE tournaments. If you don't say "Hey guy's, we need this money so we can continue casting" whatever game, then people are gonna think Rifkin and ZG are like a real organization with actual cash in there pockets.Neither Rifkin, or Zombiegrub, have jobs, and I assure you, are not rich. You are being unethical and childish in your own reasoning. Also, you DO NOT speak for an entire community @newbonthefloor. What a joke this thread is, for real. I made an account just to say how bloody stupid you are. Messiah complex? Brah who the F@$# would not want MORE PEOPLE IN THE SCENE. Don't make me laugh. Begging for money for more entertaining contents sounds perfectly fine from my experience and point of the goal to achieve. In korea, people dont mind spending more than 10 bucks at the arcade, watching some funny streams and so on. Maybe people are TOO USED to "free" in my opinion. Streamers are not viewers' puppet and TV that viewers can ALWAYS watch and enjoy their life. Ive seen many people asked me to commentate games and my thought process. Sometimes i do it for free and sometimes not. Why? I've played numbers of hours to gain my own game sense knowledge (especially TvZ insane valkyrie opening and some tvp tricks). Even if i do it for free, i wouldnt give away everything. U know
To get this thread back to a topic related to the tournament, DUDE! GG's!
The SCV walk to break the stasis trap on the ramp was the coolest and most clever thing I've seen in a while!
For those that missed it:
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Thanks for running the event! Was a lot of fun to watch.
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On August 25 2017 09:24 BasetradeTV wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 09:20 LaStScan wrote:On August 25 2017 08:47 Kitytheneko wrote: Begging for money huh?? Guilt tripping? Forgive my bluntness but what are you tripping on. The entire basis of Basetradetv is that it is a COMMUNITY RUN tournament organizer. The caster's are payed a small portion of the proceeds, maybe 10%, and the rest is used to cast MORE tournaments. If you don't say "Hey guy's, we need this money so we can continue casting" whatever game, then people are gonna think Rifkin and ZG are like a real organization with actual cash in there pockets.Neither Rifkin, or Zombiegrub, have jobs, and I assure you, are not rich. You are being unethical and childish in your own reasoning. Also, you DO NOT speak for an entire community @newbonthefloor. What a joke this thread is, for real. I made an account just to say how bloody stupid you are. Messiah complex? Brah who the F@$# would not want MORE PEOPLE IN THE SCENE. Don't make me laugh. Begging for money for more entertaining contents sounds perfectly fine from my experience and point of the goal to achieve. In korea, people dont mind spending more than 10 bucks at the arcade, watching some funny streams and so on. Maybe people are TOO USED to "free" in my opinion. Streamers are not viewers' puppet and TV that viewers can ALWAYS watch and enjoy their life. Ive seen many people asked me to commentate games and my thought process. Sometimes i do it for free and sometimes not. Why? I've played numbers of hours to gain my own game sense knowledge (especially TvZ insane valkyrie opening and some tvp tricks). Even if i do it for free, i wouldnt give away everything. U know To get this thread back to a topic related to the tournament, DUDE! GG's! The SCV walk to break the stasis trap on the ramp was the coolest and most clever thing I've seen in a while! For those that missed it: https://clips.twitch.tv/PlayfulLightMinkStrawBeary
Nice clip! Yes we can get back to the topic thread. Thanks for hosting an awesome tournament and great job with your first initial sc:r tournament.
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On August 25 2017 03:29 207aicila wrote: So I read in MaNa's chat that Serral vs Bonyth was a 40+ min game? Does anyone know how good Serral is at this game / if he's been streaming it or plans to stream?
I played Serral in BW a couple of years ago at IeSF in the back stage and he was pretty damn good.
Bonyth you able to upload this replay?
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Great job BasetradeTV
Congratulations Scan
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Disallow korean u mean? I mean disallow YOU! only one korean who can speak english play EVERY foreign money tournaments, ITS YOU. Money hoover. You wake up, while other korean progamers sleeping, and start practice against koreans for foreign tournaments, this is you job i know.
Filthy close tournament, because tired pay you. YOu grab money from 25 of 26 tournaments with score 2-0 2-0 2-0 2-0. Very intersting and intrigue, ok! Congratulations mr. scan, you find yourself in this world
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Great tour had fun, hope to get more of these! And Congrats Scan!
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On August 25 2017 09:58 Astralis-fan wrote:Filthy close tournament, because tired pay you.
ACTUALLY Filthy BW Cup closed because of people like you complaining about Scan. So maybe you should know what the fuck you're talking about before saying anything.
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On August 25 2017 09:58 Astralis-fan wrote:I mean disallow YOU! only one korean who can speak english play EVERY foreign money tournaments, ITS YOU. Money hoover. You wake up, while other korean progamers sleeping, and start practice against koreans for foreign tournaments, this is you job i know. Filthy close tournament, because tired pay you. YOu grab money from 25 of 26 tournaments with score 2-0 2-0 2-0 2-0. Very intersting and intrigue, ok! Congratulations mr. scan, you find yourself in this world Nah. They got sick of people like you. And this isnt my job. Other korean streamers werent sleeping if you didnt notice on tl.net stream list. Also, i participated an event of "Twitch TV SC team vs Afreeca TV SC team" like how everyone was doing something else for their individual contents. Why dont you talk to them and "mr. Superman. Please stop scan from conquering our heaven world."
I will highly recommend you to host your own tournament with your own rules (no Scan in this tour, but other krs allowed) and enjoy your own time. People wont listen to you much for their tournaments if you didnt even throw a coin into the prizepool. Btw idk your age, but you need to get your shit together, sir.
Last have at you tournament, oGsTOP participated. So did sonstar and true long time ago. And its kinda funny that people call them pro when they retired 5 years ago. Or maybe ppl cant distinguish the words between pro and expro.
I always have to go "Lolz" at comments like this one. Cuz people are always flaming shit. I know how to laugh and brush away antifans. Dont worry
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On August 25 2017 05:29 fabiano wrote: Casting tip for Base Trade TV: do not zoom out/in for too long or too often. Keep the standard zoom 99% of the time.
Edit: observer has been playing around with zoom waaaay too much now, like 5 straight minutes of max zoom out. Maybe I'm the exception, but that's awful to watch to the point I left the stream!
After all the drama that happened in the thread, did you guys from BaseTrade get to read this constructive commentary? Please take it in consideration.
That is, of course, my point of view only and I might not be part of the majority.
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I'm about as far from a member of the BW community as you can get, so take any observations with a grain of salt, but come on guys. You really need to stop bashing anyone and everyone who tries to make content for your scene.
Given that a lot of positive people have come into this thread, I really hope the haters are a (very) vocal minority, but I've been observing how new tournaments are treated for a while, and it's no wonder you have no fucking tournaments. Whether it was the Filthy cup or this, people seem incapable of giving polite criticism and just slam the organizers for anything and everything. PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GIVE YOU CONTENT.
Organizers coming over from SC2 are not going to be perfect on their first tournament. Casters from SC2 will not know all of the deep intricacies and nuances that make BW great on their first cast. Give them some fucking time and give them legitimate criticism. And for the love of god, don't tell them to "get out of our house." Maybe you guys don't realize this, but for a healthy competitive scene you need a solid number of regular online cups.
Regarding banning Koreans from tournaments: it's good to have some foreigner only cups, I agree, but the majority should be open. This idea that "Scan is literally killing esports" is stupid as shit. In SC2 we had Hyun and Revival farming EU and NA online cups for literally years. Memes aside, SC2 is still pretty alive when we have dozens of online cups a week. Yes, you want some cups to be closed, but you also want some to be open, especially as a tournament organizer (KR vs nonKR games bring out a cool storyline etc.)
Obviously the above is my opinion, and you may disagree, but even if you do disagree on the merits, stop shitting on Scan for playing, jesus christ. Scan doesn't write the tournament rulesets, so have some god damn respect for an amazing player that dedicates his time to being the best that he can be.
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On August 25 2017 10:01 SchAmToo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 09:58 Astralis-fan wrote:Disallow korean u mean? Filthy close tournament, because tired pay you. ACTUALLY Filthy BW Cup closed because of people like you complaining about Scan. So maybe you should know what the fuck you're talking about before saying anything.
Just to confirm here - Schamtoo is 100% correct. I was HAPPY to have Scan playing in my tours. I ended them because of the complainers.
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Last have at you tournament, oGsTOP participated. Cool, he strong enough. You beat him 2-0 right? with no one chance to win xD GL foreigners, Scan just laughing at you.
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I was HAPPY to have Scan playing in my tours because you dont care about foreign bw scene.
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On August 25 2017 10:37 Astralis-fan wrote:Cool, he strong enough. You beat him 2-0 right? with no one chance to win xD GL foreigners, Scan just laughing at you.
Really sucks for a scene when a player's really good. I think in SC2 we should ban players from upstate new york from playing in NA cups because Neeb is too good and people can't beat him. ASL should probably ban Flash while we're at it too because in a competition the best thing is to make sure everyone is at the same level.
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On August 25 2017 10:39 Astralis-fan wrote:because you dont care about foreign bw scene.
Now that you were caught out misrepresenting what happened with my events you're finding a new angle eh?
Well, good news: you're right! I *dont* care about the foreign BW scene. I DID care, but you guys convinced me you werent worth my time, money, and effort with your behavior.
In any event, on topic, glad to see BTTV giving this a shot - even if it wasnt received the way they might have liked.
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Flash 65% winrate and play in Korea (against professional players BISU, JAEDONG,EFFORT, JANGBI). Scan 99.9% tournaments winrate EU/NA. (play against trutacz (stats against scan 2-100) eonzer (same stats) (lancerx 0-100) dewalt(2-100) bonyth 2-100)) Scan won 99.9% Filthycup tours. This is Daewoo Matiz against BWM M5 races....
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I'm not sure what's wrong with some people in this scene. There's always been some resentment towards SC2, but I figured people would be nothing but happy that a lot of old players/personalities are coming back, as well as some new ones. But then a couple weeks after the Remastered announcement, Day9 revealed that he would be making BW content for new players, and some people on this forum freaked out, flamed him for "leaving Brood War for SC2", etc. And now we have content creators coming over who also get flamed for practically no reason while they're dumping their own money into the scene.
This past week and a half has been an amazing time in life. I've been able to mass game this game again, have all of my old friends online with me, and watch streams of old players coming back who are also having the time of their lives. During all of this, multiple tournaments have been announced (this one, ESL, an NA clan league, and more) and it's starting to revive the foreigner scene (yes it absolutely was dead compared to pre-SC2, that's not arguable). Yet these people are so angry/stubborn at who knows what that they just hate on whatever new people come here and try to contribute and make things better.
I just don't get it.
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If you're gonna use stats at least make them correct dude lol. For scan to have won 99.9% of filthy cups there would have had to have been 1000 filthy cups run.
And even if that was his winrate: WHO CAAAAAAARES. He earned that winrate by BEING GOOD lol. You want a fucking participation trophy for not being good enough to win an actual one?
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Pls don't feed such an obvious troll guys
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On August 25 2017 10:52 TheNewEra wrote:Pls don't feed such an obvious troll guys
Geneally I'd agree except that there actually seems to be a fair few people who hold this anti scan mentality. It's silly
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On August 25 2017 10:44 FilthyRake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 10:39 Astralis-fan wrote:I was HAPPY to have Scan playing in my tours because you dont care about foreign bw scene. Now that you were caught out misrepresenting what happened with my events you're finding a new angle eh? Well, good news: you're right! I *dont* care about the foreign BW scene. I DID care, but you guys convinced me you werent worth my time, money, and effort with your behavior. In any event, on topic, glad to see BTTV giving this a shot - even if it wasnt received the way they might have liked. Its probably that everything started like this when people started looking for sc crack version and still use windows xp or some weird old shit that cannot run scr. So they can complain on the forum that blizzard ruined it. Ive seen many koreans bitched about scr has to be purchased and cannot run scr cuz of their shitty computer. The funny part was.. some koreans are waiting for scr crack version. Lolz. They dont want to purchase scr cuz scbw was free (it wasnt free until remastered project announcement)
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On August 25 2017 10:56 PengWin_SC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 10:52 TheNewEra wrote:Pls don't feed such an obvious troll guys Geneally I'd agree except that there actually seems to be a fair few people who hold this anti scan mentality. It's silly Yeah. Im done with him now. Hope everything should be settled soon.
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On August 25 2017 11:07 LaStScan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 10:56 PengWin_SC wrote:On August 25 2017 10:52 TheNewEra wrote:Pls don't feed such an obvious troll guys Geneally I'd agree except that there actually seems to be a fair few people who hold this anti scan mentality. It's silly Yeah. Im done with him now. Hope everything should be settled soon. It's good that you don't let it bother you. I think most people support you, it's just the ones who don't have a big mouth. This guy's account is new too, so maybe he's just a mad foreign player who you beat
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but you guys convinced me you werent worth my time, money, and effort with your behavior. dude, you just feed scan all time. How many interesting finals we could see. If not Scan. Scan simply destroyed his opponents again and again. lets see today final arcneon vs scan, another one rape.
LaStScan Profile PM Joined May 2011 Korea (South)799 Posts August 24 2017 02:06 EAT #8 On August 24 2017 07:06 BasetradeTV wrote: Apologies if the time is not beneficial for everyone, however, this is the same time we have run every single one of our European based events in the last 3+ years. It will not be changing.
is this tournament opened for all?
tricky korean
when people started looking for sc crack version
You are not one of them, only because grab enough filthy/schamtoo tournaments top1 prize pool xD
go poll. Ban Scan YES or NO
User was temp banned for this post.
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I enjoyed the tournament. I found Rifkin and ZombieGrub both to be likable personalities and enjoyed ZombieGrub's analysis.
There were some things that frustrated me. I wouldn't characterize it as "shitting on BW", but there was a level of scrutiny of the game itself that bummed me out a little. I love BW and want other people to love BW so when the games weren't good (not all of them, but a few) it made me nervous that this was going to lead to negative judgements about BW from one of the casters. With a lot of previously SC2-only people now watching SCR games this is something that worries me in general but now it was a feature of the cast. Nonetheless if BaseTradeTV chooses to do more SCR content I will watch if possible, because as I said I still had fun. I may watch some of your SC2 stuff as well now.
Thank you Scan for the entertaining games!
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well i couldn't watch it live but i'm looking at the stream, and what happen is that Rifkin thinks he's funny, he says silly things, but he's not funny most of the time. Anyway it's not somethign to get so mad at, i'm glad there is another Broodwar tour.
For last i really want a tournament with Sayle and Elegant Casting, the days of the ISL and gambit cups were so good, i spent so much hours in front of my computer hearing them casting, those 10 and even 14 hours of broodwar were epic.
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On August 25 2017 11:15 Astralis-fan wrote:Show nested quote +but you guys convinced me you werent worth my time, money, and effort with your behavior. dude, you just feed scan all time. How many interesting finals we could see. If not Scan. Scan simply destroyed his opponents again and again. lets see today final arcneon vs scan, another one rape. LaStScan Profile PM Joined May 2011 Korea (South)799 Posts August 24 2017 02:06 EAT #8 On August 24 2017 07:06 BasetradeTV wrote: Apologies if the time is not beneficial for everyone, however, this is the same time we have run every single one of our European based events in the last 3+ years. It will not be changing. is this tournament opened for all?tricky korean You are not one of them, only because grab enough filthy/schamtoo tournaments top1 prize pool xD go poll. Ban Scan YES or NO User was temp banned for this post. that's a topic that was already discussed in a huge thread, what everyone agreed is that we have to wait until someone actually ban Coreans from tournaments, or does region lock tournaments, like the weekly ESL remastered tour.
and a quick note and advice, you can't say anything negative to scan, admins love him and defend him with a rare passion, even in the hypothetical case that he shit types to you and you reply with something similar, they would still ban you and Scan not, TL is ruled by an arbitrary method.
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Please don't ban scan. Also, I enjoyed the BTTV casters. They are quality casters. I would think that the BW community would want all the quality casters we can get casting our game. The knowledge was lacking today, but over time that'll change.
Thanks ZombieGrub and Rifkin! <3
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The attitude of certain people in this thread is disgusting, you should be happy that there are people willing to come into the scene to run tournaments and generate some interest in the game but instead you actively try to push them out for stupid reasons?
BTTV built up their brand in SC2, their viewer base is predominantly SC2 so ofc they're going to bring up SC2 in their casts for comparisons and such. As someone from an SC2 background it's nice to have comparisons between games, it helps me understand certain things better. Sure the finer intricacies might not be there but instead of throwing your toys out of the pram about it, maybe be constructive and help point out those finer intricacies.
As for the attitude about donations, you do realise that donations are a good sign of how many people are interested in the content right? It aids running costs for prizepool and paying admins etc. Nobody is taking your scene hostage by saying they need donations to make more tournaments, they're gauging interest and building up funds to maybe run another tournament with a bigger prize pool in the future, maybe even make it a regular weekly thing.
As for banning Scan, that's truly laughable. If he wants to stay up until 2am to play in a tournament then so what, perhaps if you spent more time practising and less time complaining about him being in tournaments you might stand a chance against him. You want to win those top prizes? Earn them rather than expecting a handout because you're a foreigner. Avoiding Koreans isn't going to make you better at the game, want to be the best? Play with the best. It's as simple as that.
Rifkin, ZG, thanks for the tournament, it was fun to take part in. I really hope you're not discouraged from running any Remastered events in the future by a certain vocal group in this scene, in my eyes you both did a fine job <3
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Those who says "can't kick scan for just being good" completely miss the point that he has an objective advantage over non-koreans. The game is about strategy okay, knowing what and when to do. You know how ex-pros do instructional videos nowadays, where they analyze every aspect of a build down to the most minute timings? Well scan's the only player in the "foreign" community that has access to them. Not like he even needed that, he can just ask things in the korean community. Besides, scan's the only one that can practice his matchups against an ex-pro coz he knows some of them and the level is not that different, whereas if Eon would to try and ask like Piano for some TvZ's he'd be ridiculed. These two factors are what I called an objective advantage. You're a foreigner and you want a Canata rep-pack to learn smart TvZ plays? Get fucked. You're scan? Just browse korean forums and download it.
When you say "let's kick neeb from NA tournaments hurr durr" in an attempt to mock this kinda restriction, the analogy doesn't make sense. The skill is not the criterion here, it's the access to more facilities. It's basically disallowing a professional team from participating in an amateur competition. What a stupid idea, yeah? But anyway this has been discussed to death as someone already pointed out and the discussions weren't terribly constructive. It's simply down to the admins if they wanna see scan as the winner everytime he signs up.
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On August 25 2017 14:45 juvenal wrote: The game is about strategy okay
what...?
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I'm saying there's people like truta or sziky who are mechanically almost as good as scan but as far as the strategy goes, they've got nothing on him. Feel free to ask what I mean by the words "mechanically" or "strategy" if you have troubles understanding them.
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Seriously you guys are complaining because 1 player is way above all others? Scan does so much for the non-korean community, streams regularly while explaining in english, uploads LOADS of replays and are always willing to help out.
I really don't know why since so many of you guys are acting like total b*tches to him
Sure you guys can hope for an EU Only tournament, but that excludes NA aswell ? you shouldnt be bitching on the tournament organizers that its for everyone
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Thanks for the tournament BTTV! Unfortunately twitch was lagging yesterday but the video today worked perfectly
Never noticed the sad shuttle thing! Was brilliant :D And casters shouldn't worry if they lack knowledge, it will come as you keep commenting (For example didn't know emp destroys illusions)
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I watched about 20 Minutes before I tuned out for several reasons. To be perfectly honest, I had you on mute, so I can't say anything qualified about the commentary itself. However, regarding some of your points:
On August 25 2017 08:20 BasetradeTV wrote:I'm aware there's nothing to gain by posting this, since facts probably won't change your mind, but I don't like the idea of all the entitlement here going uncontested so let's break it down:- The style of casting is different than many of you are used to, but that's how we built our brand. We didn't go into Starcraft 2 trying to replicate all the other casters, we went in to do our own thing, which was two friends discussing the game they are watching. In fact, the title of the stream even warned you of this, so it's not like we were even lying to you:
Simple solution here is just don't tune in.
- Several complaints were brought up in chat, as well as implications from some of the replies in this thread, that it was terrible of us to 'demand' money to do more events. What? We have a budget that's been set for things such as SC2, so stating that we cannot (or, won't, depending on your biased interpretation) do more SC:R content without the money to do so is just a fact.
- Every bit of evidence shows me that we did a successful broadcast, regardless of the personal feelings of those posting here:
The Zooms mentioned earlier really were really distracting and not used well. Seeing that you try to mostly cater to your core audience makes it somewhat understandable, but not less hard to watch at for the viewers. I'm not sure it really does the trick there to help outsiders to understand the game, or add anything to the overall quality of your stream. Being different doesn't mean you're being better with something in the long run. Just use Zooms to spice things up slightly, not as main ingriedent for the stream.
After reading some of the moronic posts in this thread and your responses to that, I can't help but wonder if there isn't some grain of truth hidden somewhere. Sure, you're probably critized way too harshly for the commentary, but you seem to leash out a lot more than you would if it was just the standardised bullcrap posters that you sadly have. Maybe try to show that you are a grown up and fully functional adult by simply ignoring those people. Justifying your wording with numbers won't impress me or anyone else - just keep doing your thing. Eventually, the tone will even out and there are definitely people grateful to have something to play in or watch.
As for money and donors goes: You probably don't know, but we had some idiots in the past years trying the most amusing things, e.g. selling Canadian hockey cards, or yet another big name trying to promote pyramid schemes of a Russian thug. Therefore some of us are somewhat suspicious, especially if it comes with the "business wording". Doesn't mean you're a thug, but it's something you should explain with a few words more - as in: donations go to the prize pool. Case closed for any rational being. If that already happened, you can ignore this last paragraph.
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Couple of hours passed and what this thread into? Holy crap.
Please guys, stop derailing every single thread about the tournament where Scan appears.
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@GeckoXp
" but it's something you should explain with a few words more - as in: donations go to the prize pool. "
They made it very clear the money donated would go to the pricepool, something you would have heard if you havent muted them?
Thanks Base trade for a nice tour.
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Russian Federation470 Posts
BasetradeTV in broodwar you miss ~50% shooting from bottom to highground, that was the reason of those dragoons on the rock in pvp on Outsider.
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On August 25 2017 14:45 juvenal wrote: Those who says "can't kick scan for just being good" completely miss the point that he has an objective advantage over non-koreans. The game is about strategy okay, knowing what and when to do. You know how ex-pros do instructional videos nowadays, where they analyze every aspect of a build down to the most minute timings? Well scan's the only player in the "foreign" community that has access to them. Not like he even needed that, he can just ask things in the korean community. Besides, scan's the only one that can practice his matchups against an ex-pro coz he knows some of them and the level is not that different, whereas if Eon would to try and ask like Piano for some TvZ's he'd be ridiculed. These two factors are what I called an objective advantage. You're a foreigner and you want a Canata rep-pack to learn smart TvZ plays? Get fucked. You're scan? Just browse korean forums and download it.
When you say "let's kick neeb from NA tournaments hurr durr" in an attempt to mock this kinda restriction, the analogy doesn't make sense. The skill is not the criterion here, it's the access to more facilities. It's basically disallowing a professional team from participating in an amateur competition. What a stupid idea, yeah? But anyway this has been discussed to death as someone already pointed out and the discussions weren't terribly constructive. It's simply down to the admins if they wanna see scan as the winner everytime he signs up. Neeb had the support to move to Korea, practice with Koreans and now has a lot of Korean friends who he can discuss strategies with, clearly giving him an objective advantage vs players like Pokebunny, so he should be banned from NA events.
If you think Scan should be banned for your listed reasons, then you're in favor of banning Neeb. Which is obviously fucking stupid, I'm just pointing out how stupid the entire "ban Scan" idea is. This entire banning Scan from events idea is just people who aren't good enough to win themselves crying because they can't beat someone better than them. Grow up, you want a competitive scene? Then get good enough to be competitive.
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All you need is to git gud
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On August 25 2017 18:35 Trutaacz wrote: All you need is to git gud What did happen to your id?
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Basetrade style of casting always been like that,even for sc2 they are a bit particular in that and really doubt they re trying to shit broodwar and put money into it,is not even close to what nathanias did in every beta he tried where he Just installedthe game to trash talk it :d
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On August 25 2017 18:59 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:What did happen to your id?
Idk, i lost it for some reasons
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ROFL, this thread is pathetic. As much as I am a vocal advocate of a disallowment of koreans in these tournaments and as much as I did not like that casting yesterday, the organizers and casters of these tours and Scan are still human beings and people in this thread treat them like shit. They take their own money (and hence can ask for donations to keep up the series) and host tournaments for a game that is basically 19 years old. As stated I agree to some core points made by these idiots, but the way they are expressing them is in no way productive and should be banned more vigorously as it was before on TL.net.
To make this post more productive, I'll try to give constructive criticism of the cast: - zoom out way less, use the standard zoom as much as possible: Even in SC2 cast (frankly, I haven't seen many in the past years) the zoom feature isn't used very much and this should be the standard in every Remastered cast - if you cannot tell the reason behind a strategy, do not assume stuff. In high-level BW (and in SC2 probably as well) pretty much every move a player does has an intention and fits into a greater scheme of the strategy. Sometimes you speculated too much about things that were just obviously not true. It is better not to speculate (especially with no deeper understanding of the game), than to say something wrong. - learn all the spells and units and use their proper names. F.e. it is speedlots not chargelots in Remastered. I know that you are so used to "chargelots" and that you just say it naturally, but it drives BW fans crazy. Sure I can understand that most viewers have SC2 background and hence will understand what you mean, but it would be a really huge improvement for BW fans in your stream. - try to take a look into the chat more often. I know as a caster it is hard to speak fluently, spectate the game and check the chat, but I have seen so many good stuff that was said in the chat. Often times chat could help you out and tell you the used BO and strategy behind. It is harder for you to pick out the actual correct stuff out of the twitch chat, but as far as I could observe most of the stuff said in the chat was actually right. You might say that this would be boring, because people already seen the information in the chat, but not every person sees the chat and even if they do, it is better if you say something correct than predict incorrect stuff. You guys won't learn all the basics from casting few hours every other week and hence try to take the advice in your own chat,
And as we all learnt in school probably, good criticism always ends with things that I liked about your stream. So here are some: - the high production value -> nice scenes and good graphics - the casters chime together very well - the breaks in between were short and well placed - good voices for casting - overall it really seemed very smooth (which probably comes from years of experience in SC2 )
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Wow, I have no Idea what I just stumbled into here. Just reading some of last messages in this thread makes me not wanna read it as a whole, too cancerous.
I just came here to say I liked the casting. I thought Rifkin's questions from a beginner's perspective and ZG's effort to answer them in a not confusing manner were welcoming to folks new to broodwar. Thank you for the entertainment.
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lol these casters should grow some thicker skin they have to realize they are a public figure and some people will throw shit at them but what filthy and this rifki guy or what is name is did, was throwing shit back at the whole community that's why more and more people started to dislike them
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On August 25 2017 15:36 GeckoXp wrote:I watched about 20 Minutes before I tuned out for several reasons. To be perfectly honest, I had you on mute, so I can't say anything qualified about the commentary itself. However, regarding some of your points: Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 08:20 BasetradeTV wrote:I'm aware there's nothing to gain by posting this, since facts probably won't change your mind, but I don't like the idea of all the entitlement here going uncontested so let's break it down:- The style of casting is different than many of you are used to, but that's how we built our brand. We didn't go into Starcraft 2 trying to replicate all the other casters, we went in to do our own thing, which was two friends discussing the game they are watching. In fact, the title of the stream even warned you of this, so it's not like we were even lying to you:
Simple solution here is just don't tune in.
- Several complaints were brought up in chat, as well as implications from some of the replies in this thread, that it was terrible of us to 'demand' money to do more events. What? We have a budget that's been set for things such as SC2, so stating that we cannot (or, won't, depending on your biased interpretation) do more SC:R content without the money to do so is just a fact.
- Every bit of evidence shows me that we did a successful broadcast, regardless of the personal feelings of those posting here:
The Zooms mentioned earlier really were really distracting and not used well. Seeing that you try to mostly cater to your core audience makes it somewhat understandable, but not less hard to watch at for the viewers. I'm not sure it really does the trick there to help outsiders to understand the game, or add anything to the overall quality of your stream. Being different doesn't mean you're being better with something in the long run. Just use Zooms to spice things up slightly, not as main ingriedent for the stream. After reading some of the moronic posts in this thread and your responses to that, I can't help but wonder if there isn't some grain of truth hidden somewhere. Sure, you're probably critized way too harshly for the commentary, but you seem to leash out a lot more than you would if it was just the standardised bullcrap posters that you sadly have. Maybe try to show that you are a grown up and fully functional adult by simply ignoring those people. Justifying your wording with numbers won't impress me or anyone else - just keep doing your thing. Eventually, the tone will even out and there are definitely people grateful to have something to play in or watch. As for money and donors goes: You probably don't know, but we had some idiots in the past years trying the most amusing things, e.g. selling Canadian hockey cards, or yet another big name trying to promote pyramid schemes of a Russian thug. Therefore some of us are somewhat suspicious, especially if it comes with the "business wording". Doesn't mean you're a thug, but it's something you should explain with a few words more - as in: donations go to the prize pool. Case closed for any rational being. If that already happened, you can ignore this last paragraph. To be entirely fair, some of the people you're referring to have brought more outside sponsorship to Brood War since the beginning of StarCraft 2 than the remainder of the community combined. Yes, there have been crowd funded events, but you're not referring to any of them here.
I'm not overly surprised that there is still a stigma, but no one can argue that the tournament results were better with these personalities that you hate as compared to after they left. Maybe apologies are due and the hatchet should be buried because it has no place in this thread or any other.
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Scan is training 24/24 with the top20 world, allowing him to enter this kind of amateur tourney is of course unfair and brings a lot of frustration among viewers and players.
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rifkin acting unprofessional? who would've thought
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On August 25 2017 14:45 juvenal wrote: Those who says "can't kick scan for just being good" completely miss the point that he has an objective advantage over non-koreans. The game is about strategy okay, knowing what and when to do. You know how ex-pros do instructional videos nowadays, where they analyze every aspect of a build down to the most minute timings? Well scan's the only player in the "foreign" community that has access to them. Not like he even needed that, he can just ask things in the korean community. Besides, scan's the only one that can practice his matchups against an ex-pro coz he knows some of them and the level is not that different, whereas if Eon would to try and ask like Piano for some TvZ's he'd be ridiculed. These two factors are what I called an objective advantage. You're a foreigner and you want a Canata rep-pack to learn smart TvZ plays? Get fucked. You're scan? Just browse korean forums and download it.
When you say "let's kick neeb from NA tournaments hurr durr" in an attempt to mock this kinda restriction, the analogy doesn't make sense. The skill is not the criterion here, it's the access to more facilities. It's basically disallowing a professional team from participating in an amateur competition. What a stupid idea, yeah? But anyway this has been discussed to death as someone already pointed out and the discussions weren't terribly constructive. It's simply down to the admins if they wanna see scan as the winner everytime he signs up. Speaking of instructional videos, i think everyone can watch it on youtube. You can visually see their plays and catch some names like 'tuh-ret', 'ma-lin', 'cuh-men-du' and so on. Most of the instructional videos are pretty much 5 to 6 min maximum. After that, you are kinda needed to figure out by yourself because thats the game timer players show their individual point of views, playstyle, decisionwise, and so on.
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On August 25 2017 20:40 ppp87 wrote: Scan is training 24/24 with the top20 world, allowing him to enter this kind of amateur tourney is of course unfair and brings a lot of frustration among viewers and players. I dont sit and breathe at home all day for 24/7 practice though. I work half of the time. Im pretty sure i am a teamliquid member and worked on various of things in strategies, guide, replays, micro tricks, etc.
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Well, I'd like to get better but it's hard when u are in the top of the foreign scene. All I can do is to keep killing weaker foreigners because there is too big lag to play against koreans. Only yesterday I had to leave a ranked game against Snow because there was lag at extra high latency.
How do I get better guys? Help me!
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On August 25 2017 20:45 LaStScan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 20:40 ppp87 wrote: Scan is training 24/24 with the top20 world, allowing him to enter this kind of amateur tourney is of course unfair and brings a lot of frustration among viewers and players. I dont sit and breathe at home all day for 24/7 practice though. I work half of the time. Im pretty sure i am a teamliquid member and worked on various of things in strategies, guide, replays, micro tricks, etc.
You should have the decency to not register to this kind of micro tourneys targeting amateur foreign players. I dont see any other pro doing it besides you.
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On August 25 2017 20:49 BonythPL wrote: Well, I'd like to get better but it's hard when u are in the top of the foreign scene. All I can do is to keep killing weaker foreigners because there is too big lag to play against koreans. Only yesterday I had to leave a ranked game against Snow because there was lag at extra high latency.
How do I get better guys? Help me!
You need to Git Gud my friend: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/526168-git-gud-1
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On August 25 2017 20:52 ppp87 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 20:45 LaStScan wrote:On August 25 2017 20:40 ppp87 wrote: Scan is training 24/24 with the top20 world, allowing him to enter this kind of amateur tourney is of course unfair and brings a lot of frustration among viewers and players. I dont sit and breathe at home all day for 24/7 practice though. I work half of the time. Im pretty sure i am a teamliquid member and worked on various of things in strategies, guide, replays, micro tricks, etc. You should have the decency to not register to this kind of micro tourneys targeting amateur foreign players. I dont see any other pro doing it besides you. Dunno bro. I resided in the states and supported here for many years. I never was here to come and hunt some money and leave.
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On August 25 2017 21:00 LaStScan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 20:52 ppp87 wrote:On August 25 2017 20:45 LaStScan wrote:On August 25 2017 20:40 ppp87 wrote: Scan is training 24/24 with the top20 world, allowing him to enter this kind of amateur tourney is of course unfair and brings a lot of frustration among viewers and players. I dont sit and breathe at home all day for 24/7 practice though. I work half of the time. Im pretty sure i am a teamliquid member and worked on various of things in strategies, guide, replays, micro tricks, etc. You should have the decency to not register to this kind of micro tourneys targeting amateur foreign players. I dont see any other pro doing it besides you. Dunno bro. I resided in the states and supported here for many years. I never was here to come and hunt some money and leave.
Best foreigners are around C rank fish, you are S rank fish, it's 3 leagues above the top players registering to these tourneys. I dont see the point really.
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On August 25 2017 21:12 ppp87 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 21:00 LaStScan wrote:On August 25 2017 20:52 ppp87 wrote:On August 25 2017 20:45 LaStScan wrote:On August 25 2017 20:40 ppp87 wrote: Scan is training 24/24 with the top20 world, allowing him to enter this kind of amateur tourney is of course unfair and brings a lot of frustration among viewers and players. I dont sit and breathe at home all day for 24/7 practice though. I work half of the time. Im pretty sure i am a teamliquid member and worked on various of things in strategies, guide, replays, micro tricks, etc. You should have the decency to not register to this kind of micro tourneys targeting amateur foreign players. I dont see any other pro doing it besides you. Dunno bro. I resided in the states and supported here for many years. I never was here to come and hunt some money and leave. Best foreigners are around C rank fish, you are S rank fish, it's 3 leagues above the top players registering to these tourneys. I dont see the point really. Dandy is A rank. Bonyth 2 accounts are or were at B rank with about 15 losses. I believe that bonyth can get A rank easily. Trutacz and eonzerg are also skillful enough for B and potential for A. Speaking of 3 leagues above the top players, neeb(sc2) should get banned in NA league cuz he gets lots of support and connection with korean. Right?
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On August 25 2017 20:49 BonythPL wrote: Well, I'd like to get better but it's hard when u are in the top of the foreign scene. All I can do is to keep killing weaker foreigners because there is too big lag to play against koreans. Only yesterday I had to leave a ranked game against Snow because there was lag at extra high latency.
How do I get better guys? Help me! Time to change that 5g internet
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On August 25 2017 21:35 LaStScan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 21:12 ppp87 wrote:On August 25 2017 21:00 LaStScan wrote:On August 25 2017 20:52 ppp87 wrote:On August 25 2017 20:45 LaStScan wrote:On August 25 2017 20:40 ppp87 wrote: Scan is training 24/24 with the top20 world, allowing him to enter this kind of amateur tourney is of course unfair and brings a lot of frustration among viewers and players. I dont sit and breathe at home all day for 24/7 practice though. I work half of the time. Im pretty sure i am a teamliquid member and worked on various of things in strategies, guide, replays, micro tricks, etc. You should have the decency to not register to this kind of micro tourneys targeting amateur foreign players. I dont see any other pro doing it besides you. Dunno bro. I resided in the states and supported here for many years. I never was here to come and hunt some money and leave. Best foreigners are around C rank fish, you are S rank fish, it's 3 leagues above the top players registering to these tourneys. I dont see the point really. Dandy is A rank. Bonyth 2 accounts are or were at B rank with about 15 losses. I believe that bonyth can get A rank easily. Trutacz and eonzerg are also skillful enough for B and potential for A. Speaking of 3 leagues above the top players, neeb(sc2) should get banned in NA league cuz he gets lots of support and connection with korean. Right? Fish ranks become fake with 1.18
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On August 25 2017 20:53 Trutaacz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 20:49 BonythPL wrote: Well, I'd like to get better but it's hard when u are in the top of the foreign scene. All I can do is to keep killing weaker foreigners because there is too big lag to play against koreans. Only yesterday I had to leave a ranked game against Snow because there was lag at extra high latency.
How do I get better guys? Help me! You need to Git Gud my friend: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/526168-git-gud-1
hahaha you go girl!
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Ok maybe there are 2-3 players who are only 2 leagues under you, so? Registering to every single foreign amateur tourneys, that's a low behaviour. And as you stated above, since it's not to hunt money I'm going to assume it's for the challenge.
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On August 25 2017 22:02 ppp87 wrote: Ok maybe there are 2-3 players who are only 2 leagues under you, so? Registering to every single foreign amateur tourneys, that's a low behaviour. And as you stated above, since it's not to hunt money I'm going to assume it's for the challenge.
I don't understand, why would he not join tours? He has trained and trained and trained this game to get to his level. He clearly likes to be a part of foreign community for multiple reasons and even getting paid for his efforts now. I think it would be dumb from him not to join tournaments. Tournaments are made of different people and if they decide scan can play, I don't see him doing anything wrong in participating.
I personally love having super stars involved, hell, bring all the pros to us! Only problem for me is lag issues. I personally had to face scan in last 2 tournaments and playing him on tr8 high latency is really terrible. I would most likely lose anyway without any lag or high latency, no question about that, but the problem is that I can't really learn much from the games versus him when I can't perform even normal basic actions. So the games vs him and other Koreans are just frustrating and meaningless in the end. No wonder everyone is cheesing every game. This is the only reason I would hope to see foreign tournaments. If the lag issues are fixed, then I'd love to see all gosus around.
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On August 25 2017 22:31 iG.Arcneon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 22:02 ppp87 wrote: Ok maybe there are 2-3 players who are only 2 leagues under you, so? Registering to every single foreign amateur tourneys, that's a low behaviour. And as you stated above, since it's not to hunt money I'm going to assume it's for the challenge. I don't understand, why would he not join tours? He has trained and trained and trained this game to get to his level. He clearly likes to be a part of foreign community for multiple reasons and even getting paid for his efforts now. I think it would be dumb from him not to join tournaments. Tournaments are made of different people and if they decide scan can play, I don't see him doing anything wrong in participating. I personally love having super stars involved, hell, bring all the pros to us! Only problem for me is lag issues. I personally had to face scan in last 2 tournaments and playing him on tr8 high latency is really terrible. I would most likely lose anyway without any lag or high latency, no question about that, but the problem is that I can't really learn much from the games versus him when I can't perform even normal basic actions. So the games vs him and other Koreans are just frustrating and meaningless in the end. No wonder everyone is cheesing every game. This is the only reason I would hope to see foreign tournaments. If the lag issues are fixed, then I'd love to see all gosus around. i would like to recommend you to use reaver more than going super fast 3 nexus (greedy as fk like 3 hatch no pool vs gate expo) if you look at CJ Entus protoss players, 99% of their games are reaver opening mainly. it's like 3h muta always vs terran. ex) Movie, Snow
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On August 25 2017 20:49 BonythPL wrote: Well, I'd like to get better but it's hard when u are in the top of the foreign scene. All I can do is to keep killing weaker foreigners because there is too big lag to play against koreans. Only yesterday I had to leave a ranked game against Snow because there was lag at extra high latency.
How do I get better guys? Help me!
Play people better than you, like Scan? I heard he even joins tournaments sometimes, so you'll run into him eventually.
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Did you read what he wrote, Sr18? Read again...
I think people are being way too harsh on Scan to be honest. If organizers allow anyone to join, follow the damn rules and stop complaining.
Anyway, I wonder if BTTV took in consideration the advice about the zooming. Please stop zooming out! Or in! You have to be smart about the zoom feature, do not use it indiscriminately!
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On August 25 2017 22:57 LaStScan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 22:31 iG.Arcneon wrote:On August 25 2017 22:02 ppp87 wrote: Ok maybe there are 2-3 players who are only 2 leagues under you, so? Registering to every single foreign amateur tourneys, that's a low behaviour. And as you stated above, since it's not to hunt money I'm going to assume it's for the challenge. I don't understand, why would he not join tours? He has trained and trained and trained this game to get to his level. He clearly likes to be a part of foreign community for multiple reasons and even getting paid for his efforts now. I think it would be dumb from him not to join tournaments. Tournaments are made of different people and if they decide scan can play, I don't see him doing anything wrong in participating. I personally love having super stars involved, hell, bring all the pros to us! Only problem for me is lag issues. I personally had to face scan in last 2 tournaments and playing him on tr8 high latency is really terrible. I would most likely lose anyway without any lag or high latency, no question about that, but the problem is that I can't really learn much from the games versus him when I can't perform even normal basic actions. So the games vs him and other Koreans are just frustrating and meaningless in the end. No wonder everyone is cheesing every game. This is the only reason I would hope to see foreign tournaments. If the lag issues are fixed, then I'd love to see all gosus around. i would like to recommend you to use reaver more than going super fast 3 nexus (greedy as fk like 3 hatch no pool vs gate expo) if you look at CJ Entus protoss players, 99% of their games are reaver opening mainly. it's like 3h muta always vs terran. ex) Movie, Snow
Yes I actually use reaver/speed shuttle plays ~80% of my games PvT just about. There's 2 reasons why I decided not to do it at all vs you, 1) I see you make few goliaths very often to defend shuttle harrass and 2) shuttle reaver micro really needs fast unit response, which obviously is not the case in finland-korea games. I feel like it would be too easy for you to snipe shuttle when I'm desperately trying to get reaver to shoot and move shuttle.
Reason why I wanted fast 3rd is because with so slow unit response time I can't micro, so I figured my best chance would be to overwhelm your army, didn't go that well :D I'd love to play players of your caliber every single day, the lag/latency barrier is just unbearable Maybe if we meet next time we could play without observers and I turn on the VPN for the games Casters wont like this idea though :D The lag issues have influented my mind a lot, just makes me play a lot worse than normal
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If you really had to play on high latency and you still carried on and didnt forfeit, respect to you.
For players who practice all the time tr8 low latency is the bare minimum response time required to put on a decent performance, anything worse than that and it will just cause so much frustation that playing it out is meaningless, especially when all the odds are already stacked against you when facing someone like scan with all his korean practice. Lag is really not something that should even play a role in the head of a foreign amateur player in that scenario.... makes it so difficult to perform.
For the balance of the game and zerg's playability especially, tr 12 should be a minimum requirement in future tournaments. That's why if the player base continues to grow, regional tournaments, (Eu, NA, KR) are a much better way to handle online tournaments than the way it is now. Without TR12 and proper muta control, at the highest level, zerg is too weak. Foreigners are not yet at a level where this plays a huge role, but if game continues to grow and more tournaments are on the rise, regional tournaments is the way of the future. Playing on TR8 is not optimal. That's why it's also important that blizzard makes ladders regional, with TR12. So practice is consistent. All of this depends on player pool rising and skill level rising though.
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Ye, I wish I was American so I could play against koreans at Turn Rate 8 at low latency. Hell, they can even play at Turn Rate 12 I've heard.
I think that's just so sad to not have access to korean player base. I hope Blizzard can do something about it.
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On August 25 2017 23:46 BonythPL wrote: Ye, I wish I was American so I could play against koreans at Turn Rate 8 at low latency. Hell, they can even play at Turn Rate 12 I've heard.
I think that's just so sad to not have access to korean player base. I hope Blizzard can do something about it. If u live in california, they can play on 12.
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Bonyth you might consider getting a VPN (and a wired connection)? I saw Eonzerg play Koreans on his stream using this approach.
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On August 26 2017 00:00 LaStScan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 23:46 BonythPL wrote: Ye, I wish I was American so I could play against koreans at Turn Rate 8 at low latency. Hell, they can even play at Turn Rate 12 I've heard.
I think that's just so sad to not have access to korean player base. I hope Blizzard can do something about it. If u live in california, they can play on 12.
I played vs you in that ESL tournament Scan on TR8 and maybe I'm blind but I don't think we really lagged did we? I'm in the UK.
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On August 26 2017 01:46 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 00:00 LaStScan wrote:On August 25 2017 23:46 BonythPL wrote: Ye, I wish I was American so I could play against koreans at Turn Rate 8 at low latency. Hell, they can even play at Turn Rate 12 I've heard.
I think that's just so sad to not have access to korean player base. I hope Blizzard can do something about it. If u live in california, they can play on 12. I played vs you in that ESL tournament Scan on TR8 and maybe I'm blind but I don't think we really lagged did we? I'm in the UK. no, we played on tr8 low latency
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So when will the winnings be paid from tour?
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What a terrible thread to read through.
I watched this tournament because I started playing starcraft when SC2 came out and BTTV was casting it so it was a nice way to introduce me to SCR/BW. I imagine many others who watched the tournament are similar.
Crime organizations and drug dealers deal gateway drugs because its a tried and true method to get people hooked onto their harder stuff (and then make more money). Game communities also need gateway casters and content to get more people interested and grow. The impression that this subforum is giving off is that like the moment there are 'inexperienced' or less knowledgable content produced they get ridiculed and heavily criticized, which obviously will not help the scene.
For those that don't like what BTTV is doing, I dont see any of them running their own tournaments??
Lastly, its weird to ban LastScan because he has access to more 'facilities' and its unfair. The best thing to happen in the SC2 scene was during HOTS when all the Koreans started to play on the EU servers and tournaments. All the foreign pros admitted a year or so after that transition that at first, while the koreans were unbeatable, that regular exposure was what helped the foreign pros close the gap and finally become competitive against the korean players. In the end, maybe the prize pool could be distributed in a flatter format (40/30/20/10 for top 4). Or something like that.
Banning all koreans from tournaments will only have the effect of suffocated the foreign scene. No one gets good playing in their own kiddie pool in isolation.
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On August 25 2017 08:37 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 08:36 BasetradeTV wrote: Okay so to summarize: you have no rational argument, just simply don't like me. TIL that "don't insult the game you are casting when you are trying to break into a new market" is not a rational argument. Well played Rifkin, you have proven your quality once more. I think your responses speak for themselves, I have nothing more that I want to show the court of public opinion.
public opinion is that you act like entitled little asshole that can't back up his arguments with facts when asked to. Instead uses personal attacks to reflect anything thrown at him.
that good enough for you?
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On August 25 2017 08:56 619 wrote:Honestly these guys are just plain rude anyways, I questioned them once about the $100 initial prize pool and they tried to run me off calling me 1 out of 2000 that misinterpreted the explanation "stupid" and "retarded" and banned me from chat. Real professional Aside from that? Kick ass job organizing a broodwar tournament, the community needs people willing to do these things. Great show in your stream, great prize money. All around good job just work on your PR skills pls
you got banned? really? give me your Twitch name - I'm mod for BTTV and I can check it. also I was in chat during cast and it was calm, don't remember anyone getting banned and certainly not for such a stupid thing as you claim.
I hope you can back up your claim - I know I can.
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Overall, BTTV is good. 7.5/10.
On August 25 2017 08:56 619 wrote:Honestly these guys are just plain rude anyways, I questioned them once about the $100 initial prize pool and they tried to run me off calling me 1 out of 2000 that misinterpreted the explanation "stupid" and "retarded" and banned me from chat. Real professional Aside from that? Kick ass job organizing a broodwar tournament, the community needs people willing to do these things. Great show in your stream, great prize money. All around good job just work on your PR skills pls i subscribe to this perspective.
i consider their periodic PR debacles to be the comedy part of the show. Sometimes, they turn an anthill of twitch user dissent into a mountain of reddit hate. LOL.
These indy twitch.tv streamers deal with a lot of BS so their default position is the insta-ban. Over the years , some of those quick-trigger-finger instabans were prolly unfair. Then the unfairly insta-banned people all get together on reddit and stir up shit whenever anything negative about BTTV is in the threads. It makes for some good comedy.
i'll bet you this 207 guy was instabanned for something borderline. he'll prolly be on reddit upvoting anything negative about BTTV.
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