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On April 17 2018 18:56 bovienchien wrote: I think Action and Rain, both players will advance Ro8. hoping for action and rain too! | ||
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On April 17 2018 19:02 BLinD-RawR wrote: hi kona! hi :3 | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Action did that double drop and 3rd attack very well. Got into a macro advantage from there and closed it up nicely! He grew into such a strong player. | ||
Peeano
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I mean it does kinda spoil the results it if you decide to visit TL during the event, but don't plan on watching it live. | ||
tanngard
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On April 17 2018 19:31 Peeano wrote: Do you guys like the calendar to be updated with the current match or not? I mean it does kinda spoil the results it if you decide to visit TL during the event, but don't plan on watching it live. Dont update, for the very reasons you specify. | ||
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Rain sucked :/ | ||
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On April 17 2018 18:56 bovienchien wrote: I think Action and Rain, both players will advance Ro8. Both in my discord fantasy team so yeah.Go boys! | ||
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On April 17 2018 19:44 Race Bannon wrote: The observer kind of sucks today. Blissfully unaware of what he ought to be clicking on to get the relevant information accompanying the Action. I agree. Felt like that in the next game too. Also, mini just won that all of a sudden. I remember him always being like this when I watched him back in 2011. On the up, but really aggressive in a nuanced way, but very awesome micro. | ||
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On April 17 2018 19:50 konadora wrote: no idea what movie was doing there.. He looked lost once the zealots harassed his base. I'm guessing he knew Mini had a fourth up and running and he wanted to destroy Mini's fourth base, but Mini too good with multitasking. | ||
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Now let's hope Rain goes out 2nd so I finally have a successful liquibet. | ||
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gogo Rain! | ||
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On April 17 2018 20:50 coolprogrammingstuff wrote: It's absurd how knowledgeable and analytical Tasteless is for BW compared to SC2 yet people say that his commentary is outdated and useless | ||
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Flash-Snow Hero - Mind Mini - Larva Shuttle - Rain | ||
[sc1f]eonzerg
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hero rain mini shuttle Mind snow | ||
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Game 2: Hero - Mind Game 3: Mini - Larva Game 4: Flash - Snow Semi-final 1: Game 1 v Game 2 Semi-final 2: Game 3 v Game 4 | ||
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PVJ
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That's not easy at all for Flash. | ||
TornadoSteve
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I wasn't following the scene back when he was a top player, but it's easy to recognize that, besides the fact that he's obviously rusty, the guy isn't smart at all. You cannot challenge the top tier when your game iq is in the range of 83, unless you are bisu. Bisu is probably the only "dumb" player who manage to make it to the top, probably the greatest Protoss player to ever play the game also. His mechanics, apm, multi tasking and practice did compensate for his fried shrimp game iq. movie, however, isn't in that league. happy that rain came back with 2 strong games to make it to the ro8. User was warned for this post | ||
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On April 17 2018 21:11 PVJ wrote: So we can get a Flash v Snow, then Flash v Larva! That's not easy at all for Flash. Which is great Let's see how Snow holds up with his strong PvT, in Flash's court. | ||
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On April 17 2018 21:03 M2 wrote: my wish for the 1/4: Flash-Snow Hero - Mind Mini - Larva Shuttle - Rain Would you mind to wish for who's champion this season? | ||
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On April 17 2018 21:03 M2 wrote: my wish for the 1/4: Flash-Snow Hero - Mind Mini - Larva Shuttle - Rain can we talk about my future ? | ||
Race Bannon
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On April 17 2018 21:12 bovienchien wrote: Would you mind to wish for who's champion this season? Say what now? | ||
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M2
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On April 17 2018 21:12 bovienchien wrote: Would you mind to wish for who's champion this season? The thing that I did not get is Hero in Flash side of the bracket so we won't have the previous final again. Regarding the champion I would like to watch the 1/4 round first, I have no idea how best of 5s will look like on these maps honestly | ||
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TaardadAiel
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On April 17 2018 21:11 TornadoSteve wrote: I honestly don't understand the hype about Movie. I wasn't watching the scene back when he was a top player, but it's easy to recognize that, besides the fact that he's obviously rusty, the guy isn't smart at all. You cannot challenge the top tier when your game iq is in the range of 83, unless you are bisu. Bisu is probably the only "dumb" player who manage to make it to the top, probably the greatest Protoss player to ever play the game also. His mechanics, apm, multi tasking and practice did compensate for his fried shrimp game iq. movie, however, isn't in that league. happy that rain came back with 2 strong games to make it to the ro8. Well, I find this insulting. I'm not a Bisu fanboy, but how is he "dumb"? Anything to back that up? An IQ in the range of 83, come on? Fried shrimp game IQ? This is not to say that I'm completely fine with calling Movie "dumb" - it's just a matter of good manners, really - but at least he's not the dominant all-destroying (zerg at least) REVOLUTIONARY protoss that Bisu was. Come on, you tilt the whole PvZ matchup in favor of P for some time, while destroying the top Zerg player, only zerg bonjwa, and you have the game IQ of a fried shrimp? Someone just invented the whole build for him and then he practiced it with his fried-shrimp-IQ until he had it perfected and just made it viable through mechanics and multi-tasking? Hell, I cannot imagine someone having such multitasking - which involves solving several problems at once not just mechanically, but intellectually - with a... what was it? Oh, a fried shrimp game IQ. Come on. /rant Flash has possibly the second hardest ro8 draw besides Mind. I have to go in favor of Shuttle in his match vs Rain, Larva has an edge against Mini, but herO would probably destroy Mind... and I'm seriously worried about Flash. Still rooting for him, though. He just has the LAN presence and experience that can be matched by few. But, well, as long as he doesn't die to a Zerg, I'm happy. | ||
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On April 17 2018 21:17 TaardadAiel wrote: Well, I find this insulting. I'm not a Bisu fanboy, but how is he "dumb"? Anything to back that up? An IQ in the range of 83, come on? Fried shrimp game IQ? Flash has possibly the second hardest ro8 draw besides Mind. I have to go in favor of Shuttle in his match vs Rain, Larva has an edge against Mini, but herO would probably destroy Mind... and I'm seriously worried about Flash. Still rooting for him, though. He just has the LAN presence and experience that can be matched by few. But, well, as long as he doesn't die to a Zerg, I'm happy. I actually think that Snow can eliminate Flash if he get lucky map draw like sparkle twice | ||
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Even a rusty JD, or Rain for instance, are going to be a challenge for anyone because, well, they are smart players. it doesn't apply to what I saw of Movie. Remember the shuttle with a reaver inside that he basically suicide for no reason to JD on sparkle :o | ||
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On April 17 2018 21:22 PVJ wrote: Well, then again, hero's always more been known for vP and nowadays vZ so to me it's not at all obvious that he will power over Mind. Seeing as Flash is wary of Hero more than any other Zerg and Mind being nowhere near Flash's level in TvZ, it just seemed logical. Hero is a beast and is, at least for me, the best zerg player ATM, although not as flamboyant as larva or having the deadly precision of Soulkey. Maybe I'm wrong, but hero vs mind is pretty tilted for me. | ||
FlaShFTW
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Hero 1-3 Mind Mini 1-3 Larva FlaSh 3-2 Snow | ||
TornadoSteve
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hero 3-1 Mind Mini 0-3 Larva Flash 3-1 SnOw | ||
Peeano
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herO 3-2 Mind Mini 3-2 Larva FlaSh 3-1 Snow | ||
GTR
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On April 17 2018 21:27 winson wrote: Does anyone know the map order for ro8? Are they going to use same map order for all 4 match-up or not? each player can thumb down one of gladiator/sparkle/transistor/third world which means the thumbed down map won't be played twice. then the maps are randomly ordered. | ||
TaardadAiel
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Mind says Shuttle, Hero, Larva, Flash (with a small lead, though. Snow is a monster as far as I've followed him.) | ||
orvinreyes
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On April 17 2018 21:12 Peeano wrote: Sneaky Mini switched races | ||
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On April 17 2018 21:22 TornadoSteve wrote: do not take that too seriously, but what I meant is bisu is the only guy without a strong game sense who make it through the best players in the world. Even a rusty JD, or Rain for instance, are going to be a challenge for anyone because, well, they are smart players. it doesn't apply to what I saw of Movie. Remember the shuttle with a reaver inside that he basically suicide for no reason to JD on sparkle :o Thats funny, because Movie is known for having extraordinary low APM for a pro. So how does a guy with barely 200 apm become one of the best protoss in professional bw in 2009-2011? Let me tell you, by outsmarting and outthinking his opponents. You use one example of some fault he did in one game vs jaedong last round and use that as your basis to claim that he is a dumb individual. Guess what, jokes on you. Movie has not been practicing much lately and from what i have seen of him in these recent interviews, it doesn't seem like he feels that great about himself either. Which is sad (if its the case). | ||
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Hero 3-0 Mind Mini 0-3 Larva FlaSh 1-3 Snow | ||
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On April 17 2018 23:58 goody153 wrote: Flash vs Larva semis pls I really, REALLY hope this happens. | ||
bovienchien
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How about Mini vs Snow will have been in the semifinal and then one of them who will meet Mind in the final? | ||
EndingLife
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Hero 3-2 Mind Mini 3-1 Larva Flash 3-1 Snow | ||
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On April 17 2018 20:58 GTR wrote: yet people say that his commentary is outdated and useless I think he is doing a lot better now and they ramble on about nonsense a lot less so I am really enjoying them this season. They have great chemistry and they are both really funny guys, I get sick of them when it goes to far but when their focus is on the games they are really great! | ||
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BigFan
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I'm extremely pleased with the Ro8 groups. More so the second half. We get Snow vs Flash, a chance to see if Flash can still tangle with protoss offline on the new maps. If Flash beats Snow and sadly, I think he will, he'll have to contend with either Mini or Larva. Mini's style gives Flash trouble and Larva vs Flash would be a fantastic watch so whoever advances, it'd be great regardless! If Flash loses, well, great! I'm just highly doubtful this will happen. First half is ok. PvP can go either way imo, depends on preparation. Mind vs hero is likely in hero's favour seeing as Mind's vZ during the wildcard matches looked terrible :/ We are guaranteed at least 1 protoss in the semis, potentially 2-3 depending on Larva and Flash. Likely a zerg guarantee too with hero. Imagine if both Mind and Flash are eliminated then we ended up with 3 Ps and hero haha. | ||
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On April 17 2018 21:03 M2 wrote: my wish for the 1/4: Flash-Snow Hero - Mind Mini - Larva Shuttle - Rain LMAO HOW DID U DO THAT Why does everyone think Shuttle is favored vs Rain? IMO Rain is a better player and Rain also has SICK PVP | ||
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BlackJack
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What the fuck. | ||
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I can't help but think flash will just do fast Goliaths every game vs snow and win though. | ||
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Golgotha
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larva v mini - larva mind v hero - hero flash v snow - fllllllaaaaaaassssssssh hero v flash finals again... | ||
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On April 18 2018 11:14 ShowTheLights wrote: LMAO HOW DID U DO THAT Why does everyone think Shuttle is favored vs Rain? IMO Rain is a better player and Rain also has SICK PVP 'Cause Rain's too distracted by titties | ||
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On April 18 2018 16:36 Miragee wrote: Shuttle honestly played better than Rain in the Ro16. I don't think that's even debatable. Rain played a better vP than Shuttle though. | ||
TaardadAiel
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And looking at cleavages is actually great. | ||
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herO 2:3 Mind Mini 1-3 Larva Flash 3-2 Snow Rain vs Flash finals??? (Maybe, maybe not?) | ||
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On April 18 2018 21:38 Motivate wrote: Not trolling but I seriously don’t get how people think flash is going to win against snow. I feel they might be overestimating flash a bit. These maps are tough for Terran. Snow is going to tear flash a new one. i had to read this like 3 times to make sure I had read it correctly the map could literally be called 'flash does not start with any SCVs' and I would probably still take Flash to win | ||
Essbee
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On April 18 2018 21:38 Motivate wrote: Not trolling but I seriously don’t get how people think flash is going to win against snow. I feel they might be overestimating flash a bit, plus snow has extremely good PVT. These maps are tough for Terran. Snow is going to tear flash a new one. Flash is the heavy favorite until proven otherwise. | ||
LRM)VinCi
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On April 18 2018 11:53 BlackJack wrote: Has anybody brought up that action is the one that killed his hydra den in the final game? The zealots didnt do a single point of damage to it. He attacked it with two different control groups of hydras. Thats a pretty huge blunder... he double mis-clicked 2 control groups of hydras and didnt even realize it until after he put 850 pts of damage into it while he was being attacked by zealots. What the fuck. Sooo true xD Meaning he wasn't attacking zealots which he would of probably killed and kept his den | ||
Stax736
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On April 18 2018 13:50 Miragee wrote: Movie vs Mini wtf? Movie was up 35 supply, then he went full chobo against a control group of zealots in his main and lost all his probes. Then lost more vs 1 freaking DT while getting completely out-microed in the front battle. What the hell was that. Even if you don't put an observer in place to scout the top place (don't really get why you wouldn't but ok...) but his reaction was so freaking bad. Holy hell. PvP has always been Movie's weakest matchup. To make matters worse he hasn't been practicing that much, and it showed. Had he simply practiced more he probably would have made it out of the group. | ||
Shinokuki
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On April 18 2018 00:57 RowdierBob wrote: Snow is really good on these maps. Flash might almost be an underdog. I think Flash will down vote Sparkle. man flash has 63% win rate vs snow on these maps | ||
[PennY]-ScT-
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On April 19 2018 00:54 Shinokuki wrote: man flash has 63% win rate vs snow on these maps how do you know? | ||
sM.Zik
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Sponsored matches winrate, I guess? | ||
Miragee
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Against Movie who lost against a speed zealot runby in the late game earlier... Yes he played better but how much pressure you get from your opponent and how well he defends your harass always impacts how good your play is looking. On April 18 2018 19:09 Dante08 wrote: Is this were played on ASL1 to ASL4 maps I'm pretty sure Flash would win, but alot of ASL5 maps are just TvP graveyards. Combined with the unpredictability of TvP I think Snow has a really good chance. Aside from Sparkle, they are just TvP graveyards because most terrans suck balls compared to top players of the other races atm. In a tournament format that is. They just don't play intelligently. | ||
PVJ
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On April 19 2018 02:39 Miragee wrote: Against Movie who lost against a speed zealot runby in the late game earlier... Yes he played better but how much pressure you get from your opponent and how well he defends your harass always impacts how good your play is looking. My comment was (supposed to be) a joke, given that Shuttle didn't play any vP matches in the Ro16. | ||
StylishVODs
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On April 19 2018 02:39 Miragee wrote: Against Movie who lost against a speed zealot runby in the late game earlier... Yes he played better but how much pressure you get from your opponent and how well he defends your harass always impacts how good your play is looking. Aside from Sparkle, they are just TvP graveyards because most terrans suck balls compared to top players of the other races atm. In a tournament format that is. They just don't play intelligently. I would disagree that they suck balls. Sure, if you compare to Flash perhaps, but these are the best TvP players in the world we're talking about. I think Mind would have been knocked out early if he also had to face protoss on these maps. It's easy to call every other terran bad when comparing to Flash. The layouts on all ASL 5 maps makes TvP much harder than usual. | ||
Miragee
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On April 19 2018 03:00 PVJ wrote: My comment was (supposed to be) a joke, given that Shuttle didn't play any vP matches in the Ro16. Oh, I thought you were talking about the whole ASL. On April 19 2018 03:02 StylishVODs wrote: I would disagree that they suck balls. Sure, if you compare to Flash perhaps, but these are the best TvP players in the world we're talking about. I think Mind would have been knocked out early if he also had to face protoss on these maps. It's easy to call every other terran bad when comparing to Flash. The layouts on all ASL 5 maps makes TvP much harder than usual. Erm, no, I specifically said compared to top players of the other races, not Flash. I mean come on, Sea lost to Movie on Gladiator... He chose a subpar build order after doing decent damage in the early game, somehow got 60 supply down entering the late game, pushed out without 2-1 through the middle of the map. That are so many chobo mistakes... And Movie is, allegedly, not even practicing full-time. Rush scouted a proxy robo and started his engineering bay 1 minute later and tanked the first drop with marines instead of scvs... Light rambo rushed Shuttle with Marines off of Rax-CC into 3 Rax and Shuttle saw the marines coming... The only legitimate TvP losses without the terran messing up terribly were Mong vs Snow and Last vs Snow. The first one was on Sparkle and Mong did well with his strategy. I would put that loss on the map considering current knowledge and elaborateness of strategies on island maps. Last vs Snow was a toss-up because it was a complete all-in by Snow. So yeah, 1 loss in TvP in the entire ASL was due to maps. Not what I would call a map pool that is a terran graveyard. What we have seen throughout this ASL is terrans digging their own graves. Generally I would say, and people have discussed that at length before, some of these maps such as Sparkle and Third World haven't seen enough play time to really say anything about balance. Hell, it took prodigy players months and months to figure out a counter strategy to certain builds on standard maps. That doesn't mean we can't make statements like "the map pool is a terran graveyard this ASL" because that might be true regardless of the balance that could be achieved over time. However, as I explained in my previous paragraph I don't think that's true at all. //fixed the map for Sea vs Movie | ||
BigFan
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I mean, Light's play has felt lacking for ages now and Sea barely practices BW (he did the night before from what I hear). Mong played well but lost to an inform Snow and TvT to Last. Last made his new usual exit and Rush was outplayed by Mind on Sparkle then lost to Best after he went for a hidden third on Transistor lol. As for Sharp, I don't even remember anymore. His vZ has always been lacking and he got no TvTs to help him out. As an example, light vs Shine on Sparkle. Light gets into a fantastic position with his drops then sits back and let's Shine take all over the map or what about last vs miso? Last might not have had a commending lead but he left Miso to just expand all over the bottom of the map and could've done something. He just sat back and let Miso build-up till he got crushed. | ||
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On April 19 2018 05:16 BigFan wrote: ^ Sea lost to Movie on Gladiator, not Transistor. His first game was against Pusan on Sparkle which he won (we saw valks vs corsairs!). I agree otherwise. The skill level of terran players feels really subpar this ASL for some reason. Part of me wants to say that they are having a hard time adapting to the map pool but part of it might also be that some of them weren't preparing as hard as say Action was. I mean, Light's play has felt lacking for ages now and Sea barely practices BW (he did the night before from what I hear). Mong played well but lost to an inform Snow and TvT to Last. Last made his new usual exit and Rush was outplayed by Mind on Sparkle then lost to Best after he went for a hidden third on Transistor lol. As for Sharp, I don't even remember anymore. His vZ has always been lacking and he got no TvTs to help him out. As an example, light vs Shine on Sparkle. Light gets into a fantastic position with his drops then sits back and let's Shine take all over the map or what about last vs miso? Last might not have had a commending lead but he left Miso to just expand all over the bottom of the map and could've done something. He just sat back and let Miso build-up till he got crushed. Ah true, Gladiator. Doesn't really invalidate my point though. I didn't address Pusan vs Sea because the terran won. It was Light vs Shine with the drops. Light just never expanded. Killing a base or two while the zerg is constantly 3 bases ahead just doesn't work... I think I said it in the LR thread back then but iirc it was the game where Light got the wrong read on Shine's opener (4 hatch before pool). I don't really know what I should say about ZvT on Sparkle. At least the ASL games looked like Terran playing to uneconomically, as in expanding way too late. It looked the exact same way in ZvP in the beginning, with the zerg teching fast and losing because the protoss was way ahead in the economic game. Zergs certainly adapted the fast mass expansion style in ZvT on Sparkle. | ||
BigFan
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On April 19 2018 06:17 Miragee wrote: Ah true, Gladiator. Doesn't really invalidate my point though. I didn't address Pusan vs Sea because the terran won. It was Light vs Shine with the drops. Light just never expanded. Killing a base or two while the zerg is constantly 3 bases ahead just doesn't work... I think I said it in the LR thread back then but iirc it was the game where Light got the wrong read on Shine's opener (4 hatch before pool). I don't really know what I should say about ZvT on Sparkle. At least the ASL games looked like Terran playing to uneconomically, as in expanding way too late. It looked the exact same way in ZvP in the beginning, with the zerg teching fast and losing because the protoss was way ahead in the economic game. Zergs certainly adapted the fast mass expansion style in ZvT on Sparkle. I never said it did, was just making sure the correct map was there. ya, that was my point. Light and Last both sat back and barely expanded imo, in comparison to their zerg opponent. | ||
Miragee
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On April 19 2018 06:26 BigFan wrote: I never said it did, was just making sure the correct map was there. ya, that was my point. Light and Last both sat back and barely expanded imo, in comparison to their zerg opponent. Fixed it in the original post. And yeah, I'm 99,9 % certain that terrans have better ways to deal with zergs on Sparkle than they have showed us so far. | ||
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On April 20 2018 06:39 TornadoSteve wrote: Would be 10x more awesome if Jaedong was replaced by Shuttle though. Nothing against Shuttle, but a bo5 Rain vs JD to start the ro8 would have been perfect =) After the Ro16 I would definitely take Shuttle over Rain in your scenario, lol. | ||
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On April 20 2018 07:16 Miragee wrote: JvZ doesn't exist anymore. Maybe this is true on the whole, but that JvZ game from an ASL or two ago where Jaedong played brilliantly to overcome a huge deficit was just beautiful. | ||
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