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dM-White
Chile338 Posts
Full name: Clan disturbed Mind Tag: dM- Leaders: dM-White & dM-Tech CoLeader: dM-BlaCkSnoW Players: dM-White dM-Tech dM-TousaN dM-vulture dM-CrayOn dM-RosSk dM-Galaxy dM-Bibo dM-hit dM-PeaceMaker dM-Lurker dM-PrI dM-BlaCkSnoW dM-J1 dM-Kyrie | ||
GeckoXp
Germany2013 Posts
On April 20 2018 03:33 ProtossGG wrote: Show nested quote + On April 19 2018 16:55 Qikz wrote: On April 19 2018 07:54 ProtossGG wrote: Please include FS and remove some of these random no-name maps. Having a poll is cool, but really, "Select 18 maps" to vote on? Come on now. Don't you think FS has had it's time now SuGo? Qikz, that's probably a discussion for a separate topic. We'll probably derail this pretty badly But to give you a high level flavor ... I think maps like Sparkle need to leave the scene (MY OPINION). Why? Pros have "mastered" maps like FS/CB ... the vanilla maps, if you will. Have foreigners even come remotely close to "mastering" these types of maps? No. Sure, Sparkle is fun and adds some entertainment, etc, but when is the last time someone ever said "Let me go look at sparkle to learn." People are going to show replays on FS/CB for a reason -- it's because that's where we need to learn and continue to improve as lower skilled players (relative to Koreans obviously). Anyways, happy to chat more on this as a friendly debate, but this topic will probably lure in a bunch of angry folks and derail the thread. Not my intention. Speaking from the past two Season's orga team's view: The first, and most favoured idea, when it came to the map pack was: Remove FS. Reasoning: This map has been played so, so long, it's boring, it's stale, for some players, for most viewers. Introducing some maps that at least work similar and gradually introduce changes might convince the die-hards that no-FS isn't so bad, similar as to the LT -> Luna -> Python -> FS switch, tho these maps haven't nearly been as played to their death than it is the case for FS. Reasoning why we didn't do it: Too many people like playing it. Trust me, no sane organizer is going to touch this issue, it's just too stupid to argue about it. Also, obviously, the player's opinions matter more than the viewer's opinion or the admin's sentiment - at least usually. Therefore: My assumption is that Face is not including FS in the poll, because it would be pointless. You get a 80% response to get FS in, the most other percentages of votes will be equal on the very standard maps such as CB (assumption 2: 12-15% of the remaining votes go there). Now, if you want to introduce at least some more interesting maps and therefore reach a compromise between "FS FS FS (and FS CLONE)" and "new maps!" is to give people the choice to at least indicate what they're most comfortable with, so you don't spend energy on compiling some absurd maps in the hopes people might like them. This never worked. That being said, hail a new season of FS and CB as the go-to choice of the losers. | ||
chrisolo
Germany2604 Posts
But I think BWCL orga's should just exclude FS and CB from the mappool, just alone for those angry posts that would definitly come up in the forums :D | ||
FyRe_DragOn
Canada2048 Posts
leader - DragOn[NaS] players DragOn[NaS] SuGo[NaS] Battousai[NaS] Beast[NaS] Kingdom[NaS] Zlifer[NaS] Jaewon[NaS] Demurity[NaS] we dont have 10 active members. in fact some of the above arnt really active either. despite this we were in playoffs last season edit: yeah what sugo said, we are looking for a couple solid players to join NaS, we play in STPL as well and whatever other leagues pop up probably. PM me if interested. If you can play 2v2 thats a bonus | ||
SuGo
United States681 Posts
On April 20 2018 07:59 FyRe_DragOn wrote: Team NaS (no autism squad/north american squad) leader - DragOn[NaS] players DragOn[NaS] SuGo[NaS] Battousai[NaS] Beast[NaS] Kingdom[NaS] Zlifer[NaS] Jaewon[NaS] Demurity[NaS] we dont have 10 active members. in fact some of the above arnt really active either. despite this we were in playoffs last season Yes, really only 4 or 5 of us are "active" currently. But we're still a reasonably strong team, so please don't hold us to the "10 players" -- we did make it to playoffs last season with those same 4 or 5 players. As far as that goes, if anyone interested needs a team, NaS would love to have 1 or 2 more strong players. Reach out to me or dragon. | ||
funnybananaman
United States830 Posts
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NW.Kingpin
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dM-White
Chile338 Posts
On April 20 2018 13:42 NW.Kingpin wrote: Very nice but iccup i dont think it good idea Its on Europe.. | ||
radley
Poland577 Posts
Also consider lowering limit of active players, because currently I can find around 5 teams having at least 10 really 'active' players, and none of these are top teams. If you count on merging teams, then you will be dissapointed, because with other team leagues going around with more adequate to reality limits they won't merge. So either you end up with 5 teams league or force teams to: a) lie about some of their players activity b) sign up lower tier players who will never be put in line up and therefore be aggrieved | ||
iCCup.Face
Italy447 Posts
we dont have 10 active members. in fact some of the above arnt really active either. despite this we were in playoffs last season Yes but your clan lost by walk-over once in last season. Every administrations would like to ensure not to have walk-overs, not really for the free scores, but instead for the disrespect against the other team that show-up and wanted to play. We will discuss about the limit, but keeping some reserves is a must for every team in every sport, e-sports included. Thanks for feedback, keep it up. On April 20 2018 16:18 radley wrote: He probably talk about match pointing system, which was very often questioned during iccup clan league and nation wars. And reporting games also was broken so many times, I can't even count. The points system has never been questioned during the latest CL and NW (since I was supervisor at least), about the reporting games I don't remind issues from when the script was adapted to NW, but bug are bug u know. | ||
SuGo
United States681 Posts
On April 20 2018 22:26 iCCup.Face wrote: we dont have 10 active members. in fact some of the above arnt really active either. despite this we were in playoffs last season Yes but your clan lost by walk-over once in last season. Every administrations would like to ensure not to have walk-overs, not really for the free scores, but instead for the disrespect against the other team that show-up and wanted to play. We will discuss about the limit, but keeping some reserves is a must for every team in every sport, e-sports included. Thanks for feedback, keep it up. On April 20 2018 16:18 radley wrote: He probably talk about match pointing system, which was very often questioned during iccup clan league and nation wars. And reporting games also was broken so many times, I can't even count. The points system has never been questioned during the latest CL and NW (since I was supervisor at least), about the reporting games I don't remind issues from when the script was adapted to NW, but bug are bug u know. Yes, that's fair for you to say. But at the same token, only ONE W.O is a pretty high attendance rate, wouldn't you agree? I mean, that W.O could happen even with a team of 10+ people too. But yes, I agree, we need some back ups. We are looking for them and hopefully will have a few more folks to add to the roster. The point we're saying is - don't reject us because we had 1 W.O lol | ||
dM-White
Chile338 Posts
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TaShadan
Germany1959 Posts
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iCCup.Face
Italy447 Posts
This is just a preview, needs your help to improve and fix details, so keep sharing your impressions. We are working for you. | ||
radley
Poland577 Posts
Oh, and there were bugs with reporting games during some of NW rounds, it's just you who doesn't remember it. | ||
RedW4rr10r
Germany741 Posts
On April 21 2018 08:20 radley wrote: Face come on, everyone around was whining with that incredibly unfair +3 points for win by v.o, when instead of that team could get +6 playing against relatively weaker team. Thus, weak teams could affect top teams standings during the season, because they could just not show up and take 3 possible points from other team just like that. Especialy common during last rounds, when low teams often lose encouragement to play because of their standings. Oh, and there were bugs with reporting games during some of NW rounds, it's just you who doesn't remember it. I didn't like the way w.o's were counted, either. However, win/loss/tie ratio was the first thing to look at and in case of a draw, points would be taken into consideration. The BWCL staff knew about those concerns (we and probaly others as well told them) and they would have thought about that "points for w.o.-rule", if there would have been a draw. Fortunately, there were no issues with that last season (at least not in Division A, not sure about B). But yes, I agree that one should get +1 point for each set that had to be a walkover so that it ends up being like a "regular 4-0 victory". | ||
iCCup.Face
Italy447 Posts
You are saying it's unfair to get WO +3, instead of a possible and not probable +6 vs a weaker team, but what if the WO is vs a stronger team? Isn't unfair to get +5 for free so? WO obviously creates unfair situations, thats why it's always been a priority for every administrations not to have them. Can you please suggest a better solution in alternative to +3 and -1? On April 21 2018 08:20 radley wrote: Oh, and there were bugs with reporting games during some of NW rounds, it's just you who doesn't remember it. A personal note: I dont know why and from where this aggressive speaking comes, but if these are the tones, I don't feel the minimal respect to continue, at least for the time invested here, I can resign today and leave all in your hands. Minimum players limit reduced to 6 per Clan | ||
Incomplete..ReV
Norway598 Posts
Hurray for reduced player requirements :D | ||
SuGo
United States681 Posts
On April 21 2018 21:13 iCCup.Face wrote: @radley I've never received complaints about the iCC-CL points system, so please don't talk like ur the voice of the people, if "everyone around was whining" they should have spoken with Admins first. You are saying it's unfair to get WO +3, instead of a possible and not probable +6 vs a weaker team, but what if the WO is vs a stronger team? Isn't unfair to get +5 for free so? WO obviously creates unfair situations, thats why it's always been a priority for every administrations not to have them. Can you please suggest a better solution in alternative to +3 and -1? Show nested quote + On April 21 2018 08:20 radley wrote: Oh, and there were bugs with reporting games during some of NW rounds, it's just you who doesn't remember it. A personal note: I dont know why and from where this aggressive speaking comes, but if these are the tones, I don't feel the minimal respect to continue, at least for the time invested here, I can resign today and leave all in your hands. Minimum players limit reduced to 6 per Clan No ones given you an "Aggressive" tone lol. If you want to leave, then leave. People are just giving feedback and being passionate about making a better league for us. Same message for Schamtoo as well when he thinks people are complaining about events that he hosts. People think just because they're hosting/organizing events they can try to hold it over the players, "IF YOU DONT LIKE IT, THEN I WILL LEAVE." ...Uhhh, ok, don't let the door hit you. That's my response lol. Truth is, someone else will step up eventually. I dislike when organizers go into a power trip and say stuff like this. Yes, everyone appreciates the work hosters are doing, but not if you're going to use that line every time stuff gets a little chippy. You're a hoster/organizer, out of your own will; learn to deal with it and manage it instead of running behind that line every time. P.S. Note my bolded line. Yes, I do appreciate it, but I appreciate it less and less every time I hear organizers using this line. | ||
iCCup.Face
Italy447 Posts
Typical forum trash talking vortex detected. Stay focused on the threads, thanks. Propositive suggestions will be discussed, blames will be ignored. | ||
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