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Wow.. nice!
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OMG IT IS REAL!!
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Please include FS and remove some of these random no-name maps. Having a poll is cool, but really, "Select 18 maps" to vote on? Come on now.
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With the right format and without gecko, it might be something. Looks like someone is finally taking great pains in effort ^^And you should not use the ugly inStarcraft forum anymore. That just creates confusion
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YAY!!!!!!!!!
Hey we need to post our clan full name and the data required here?????
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What server will this be hosted on?
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On April 19 2018 11:02 art_of_turtle wrote: What server will this be hosted on? This is my thought as well with the point system described, is this on iCCup? Because if so, wouldn't that make things a little difficult?
EDIT : NVM, the rules link didn't work the first time for me, I see it is on EU.
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On April 19 2018 07:54 ProtossGG wrote: Please include FS and remove some of these random no-name maps. Having a poll is cool, but really, "Select 18 maps" to vote on? Come on now.
Don't you think FS has had it's time now SuGo?
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Hello, why there must be 10 active members in a clan? We will have to get new people...
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to pick 18 maps out of ~30 is too much
cut it to half the number of maps and i may submit e form...
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On April 19 2018 10:32 dM-White wrote: YAY!!!!!!!!!
Hey we need to post our clan full name and the data required here????? Yes register here
On April 19 2018 11:02 art_of_turtle wrote: What server will this be hosted on? Remastered, Bnet-Europe
On April 19 2018 18:44 BlueStar wrote: to pick 18 maps out of ~30 is too much
cut it to half the number of maps and i may submit e form... Wow, 18 clicks, what a pain... It's possible the season lasts 18 weeks (all depending by number of teams hence how many teams per division), so we need 18 starting maps, loser can still pick FS or Pyth
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On April 19 2018 19:07 iCCup.Face wrote:
On April 19 2018 10:32 dM-White wrote: YAY!!!!!!!!!
Hey we need to post our clan full name and the data required here????? Yes register here
On April 19 2018 11:02 art_of_turtle wrote: What server will this be hosted on? Remastered, Bnet-Europe
On April 19 2018 18:44 BlueStar wrote: to pick 18 maps out of ~30 is too much
cut it to half the number of maps and i may submit e form... Wow, 18 clicks, what a pain... It's possible the season lasts 18 weeks (all depending by number of teams hence how many teams per division), so we need 18 starting maps, loser can still pick FS or Pyth
Well after the ~10th click I had no maps that I like... And if I add more maps - it's only counted as one?
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On April 19 2018 20:07 BlueStar wrote: Well after the ~10th click I had no maps that I like... And if I add more maps - it's only counted as one?
Seems a clever answer, I'll remove the min limit
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On April 19 2018 20:10 iCCup.Face wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2018 20:07 BlueStar wrote: Well after the ~10th click I had no maps that I like... And if I add more maps - it's only counted as one?
Seems a clever answer, I'll remove the min limit Thanks Trying to share my pain points. I know how hard it is to create a form that is easy to fill and good for generating feedback...
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On April 19 2018 16:55 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2018 07:54 ProtossGG wrote: Please include FS and remove some of these random no-name maps. Having a poll is cool, but really, "Select 18 maps" to vote on? Come on now. Don't you think FS has had it's time now SuGo?
Sugo ain't got time to learn new maps don't you know he works 100,00 hours per minute.
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On April 19 2018 16:55 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2018 07:54 ProtossGG wrote: Please include FS and remove some of these random no-name maps. Having a poll is cool, but really, "Select 18 maps" to vote on? Come on now. Don't you think FS has had it's time now SuGo?
Qikz, that's probably a discussion for a separate topic. We'll probably derail this pretty badly
But to give you a high level flavor ... I think maps like Sparkle need to leave the scene (MY OPINION). Why?
Pros have "mastered" maps like FS/CB ... the vanilla maps, if you will. Have foreigners even come remotely close to "mastering" these types of maps? No.
Sure, Sparkle is fun and adds some entertainment, etc, but when is the last time someone ever said "Let me go look at sparkle to learn." People are going to show replays on FS/CB for a reason -- it's because that's where we need to learn and continue to improve as lower skilled players (relative to Koreans obviously).
Anyways, happy to chat more on this as a friendly debate, but this topic will probably lure in a bunch of angry folks and derail the thread. Not my intention.
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On April 19 2018 23:08 [SK]sLiMpoweR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2018 16:55 Qikz wrote:On April 19 2018 07:54 ProtossGG wrote: Please include FS and remove some of these random no-name maps. Having a poll is cool, but really, "Select 18 maps" to vote on? Come on now. Don't you think FS has had it's time now SuGo? Sugo ain't got time to learn new maps don't you know he works 100,00 hours per minute.
Partial truth here Lol
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Ok here we go
Full name: Clan disturbed Mind Tag: dM-
Leaders: dM-White & dM-Tech CoLeader: dM-BlaCkSnoW
Players:
dM-White dM-Tech dM-TousaN dM-vulture dM-CrayOn dM-RosSk dM-Galaxy dM-Bibo dM-hit dM-PeaceMaker dM-Lurker dM-PrI dM-BlaCkSnoW dM-J1 dM-Kyrie
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On April 20 2018 03:33 ProtossGG wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2018 16:55 Qikz wrote:On April 19 2018 07:54 ProtossGG wrote: Please include FS and remove some of these random no-name maps. Having a poll is cool, but really, "Select 18 maps" to vote on? Come on now. Don't you think FS has had it's time now SuGo? Qikz, that's probably a discussion for a separate topic. We'll probably derail this pretty badly But to give you a high level flavor ... I think maps like Sparkle need to leave the scene (MY OPINION). Why? Pros have "mastered" maps like FS/CB ... the vanilla maps, if you will. Have foreigners even come remotely close to "mastering" these types of maps? No. Sure, Sparkle is fun and adds some entertainment, etc, but when is the last time someone ever said "Let me go look at sparkle to learn." People are going to show replays on FS/CB for a reason -- it's because that's where we need to learn and continue to improve as lower skilled players (relative to Koreans obviously). Anyways, happy to chat more on this as a friendly debate, but this topic will probably lure in a bunch of angry folks and derail the thread. Not my intention.
Speaking from the past two Season's orga team's view: The first, and most favoured idea, when it came to the map pack was: Remove FS.
Reasoning: This map has been played so, so long, it's boring, it's stale, for some players, for most viewers. Introducing some maps that at least work similar and gradually introduce changes might convince the die-hards that no-FS isn't so bad, similar as to the LT -> Luna -> Python -> FS switch, tho these maps haven't nearly been as played to their death than it is the case for FS.
Reasoning why we didn't do it: Too many people like playing it. Trust me, no sane organizer is going to touch this issue, it's just too stupid to argue about it. Also, obviously, the player's opinions matter more than the viewer's opinion or the admin's sentiment - at least usually.
Therefore: My assumption is that Face is not including FS in the poll, because it would be pointless. You get a 80% response to get FS in, the most other percentages of votes will be equal on the very standard maps such as CB (assumption 2: 12-15% of the remaining votes go there). Now, if you want to introduce at least some more interesting maps and therefore reach a compromise between "FS FS FS (and FS CLONE)" and "new maps!" is to give people the choice to at least indicate what they're most comfortable with, so you don't spend energy on compiling some absurd maps in the hopes people might like them. This never worked.
That being said, hail a new season of FS and CB as the go-to choice of the losers.
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I would like it if there was no FS and CB. There are so many very standard maps that offer at least a new touch, like f.e. Latin Quarter or Sniper Ridge. Both play very similar to FS and CB, but at least weren't seen as often. I mean if I would think about this more than 2-3 seconds, I probably could list you at least 10 maps that are very standard and offer the same possible playstyle as FS and CB. Yes those two maps are very good maps and I personally still can say that FS is my favorite map to play on, but that doesn't mean they are holy. I like how in OSL and MSL you would see new maps each season. Would give the StarLeagues a new touch every time they begin with a new season. Personally I wouldn't need maps like Sparkle or Third World tbh, but people actually like them, so why not give those a try. Maybe if you introduce very different maps like Sparkle f.e., you could also introduce the possibilty to veto one map before loser's choice.
But I think BWCL orga's should just exclude FS and CB from the mappool, just alone for those angry posts that would definitly come up in the forums :D
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Team NaS (no autism squad/north american squad)
leader - DragOn[NaS]
players DragOn[NaS] SuGo[NaS] Battousai[NaS] Beast[NaS] Kingdom[NaS] Zlifer[NaS] Jaewon[NaS] Demurity[NaS]
we dont have 10 active members. in fact some of the above arnt really active either. despite this we were in playoffs last season
edit: yeah what sugo said, we are looking for a couple solid players to join NaS, we play in STPL as well and whatever other leagues pop up probably. PM me if interested. If you can play 2v2 thats a bonus
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On April 20 2018 07:59 FyRe_DragOn wrote: Team NaS (no autism squad/north american squad)
leader - DragOn[NaS]
players DragOn[NaS] SuGo[NaS] Battousai[NaS] Beast[NaS] Kingdom[NaS] Zlifer[NaS] Jaewon[NaS] Demurity[NaS]
we dont have 10 active members. in fact some of the above arnt really active either. despite this we were in playoffs last season
Yes, really only 4 or 5 of us are "active" currently. But we're still a reasonably strong team, so please don't hold us to the "10 players" -- we did make it to playoffs last season with those same 4 or 5 players.
As far as that goes, if anyone interested needs a team, NaS would love to have 1 or 2 more strong players. Reach out to me or dragon.
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Anybody got a clan they wanna let me join pm me. D-C level player on iccup with a couple ID's to use.
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Very nice but iccup i dont think it good idea
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On April 20 2018 13:42 NW.Kingpin wrote: Very nice but iccup i dont think it good idea
Its on Europe..
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He probably talk about match pointing system, which was very often questioned during iccup clan league and nation wars. And reporting games also was broken so many times, I can't even count.
Also consider lowering limit of active players, because currently I can find around 5 teams having at least 10 really 'active' players, and none of these are top teams. If you count on merging teams, then you will be dissapointed, because with other team leagues going around with more adequate to reality limits they won't merge. So either you end up with 5 teams league or force teams to: a) lie about some of their players activity b) sign up lower tier players who will never be put in line up and therefore be aggrieved
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we dont have 10 active members. in fact some of the above arnt really active either. despite this we were in playoffs last season
Yes but your clan lost by walk-over once in last season. Every administrations would like to ensure not to have walk-overs, not really for the free scores, but instead for the disrespect against the other team that show-up and wanted to play.
We will discuss about the limit, but keeping some reserves is a must for every team in every sport, e-sports included.
Thanks for feedback, keep it up.
On April 20 2018 16:18 radley wrote: He probably talk about match pointing system, which was very often questioned during iccup clan league and nation wars. And reporting games also was broken so many times, I can't even count.
The points system has never been questioned during the latest CL and NW (since I was supervisor at least), about the reporting games I don't remind issues from when the script was adapted to NW, but bug are bug u know.
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On April 20 2018 22:26 iCCup.Face wrote:
we dont have 10 active members. in fact some of the above arnt really active either. despite this we were in playoffs last season
Yes but your clan lost by walk-over once in last season. Every administrations would like to ensure not to have walk-overs, not really for the free scores, but instead for the disrespect against the other team that show-up and wanted to play.
We will discuss about the limit, but keeping some reserves is a must for every team in every sport, e-sports included.
Thanks for feedback, keep it up.
On April 20 2018 16:18 radley wrote: He probably talk about match pointing system, which was very often questioned during iccup clan league and nation wars. And reporting games also was broken so many times, I can't even count.
The points system has never been questioned during the latest CL and NW (since I was supervisor at least), about the reporting games I don't remind issues from when the script was adapted to NW, but bug are bug u know.
Yes, that's fair for you to say. But at the same token, only ONE W.O is a pretty high attendance rate, wouldn't you agree? I mean, that W.O could happen even with a team of 10+ people too.
But yes, I agree, we need some back ups. We are looking for them and hopefully will have a few more folks to add to the roster.
The point we're saying is - don't reject us because we had 1 W.O lol
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Im with sugo, Face u cant reject NaS for not having 10 players and 1 w/o, my team had 2 w/o last season, and we had more than 10 players but the cws were in our summer holidays so was so hard to get the ppl on, wo its a thing that everyone want to avoid but its not up to have 5 or more than 10 players....
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Yeah same here. We do not have enough players for your rules as well (both main and LL team). But still our LL team won the LL league and our main team was 3rd in div A without having any freewins.
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Calm guys, we are not rejecting anyone This is just a preview, needs your help to improve and fix details, so keep sharing your impressions. We are working for you.
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Face come on, everyone around was whining with that incredibly unfair +3 points for win by v.o, when instead of that team could get +6 playing against relatively weaker team. Thus, weak teams could affect top teams standings during the season, because they could just not show up and take 3 possible points from other team just like that. Especialy common during last rounds, when low teams often lose encouragement to play because of their standings.
Oh, and there were bugs with reporting games during some of NW rounds, it's just you who doesn't remember it.
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On April 21 2018 08:20 radley wrote: Face come on, everyone around was whining with that incredibly unfair +3 points for win by v.o, when instead of that team could get +6 playing against relatively weaker team. Thus, weak teams could affect top teams standings during the season, because they could just not show up and take 3 possible points from other team just like that. Especialy common during last rounds, when low teams often lose encouragement to play because of their standings.
Oh, and there were bugs with reporting games during some of NW rounds, it's just you who doesn't remember it. I didn't like the way w.o's were counted, either. However, win/loss/tie ratio was the first thing to look at and in case of a draw, points would be taken into consideration. The BWCL staff knew about those concerns (we and probaly others as well told them) and they would have thought about that "points for w.o.-rule", if there would have been a draw. Fortunately, there were no issues with that last season (at least not in Division A, not sure about B). But yes, I agree that one should get +1 point for each set that had to be a walkover so that it ends up being like a "regular 4-0 victory".
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@radley I've never received complaints about the iCC-CL points system, so please don't talk like ur the voice of the people, if "everyone around was whining" they should have spoken with Admins first. You are saying it's unfair to get WO +3, instead of a possible and not probable +6 vs a weaker team, but what if the WO is vs a stronger team? Isn't unfair to get +5 for free so? WO obviously creates unfair situations, thats why it's always been a priority for every administrations not to have them. Can you please suggest a better solution in alternative to +3 and -1?
On April 21 2018 08:20 radley wrote: Oh, and there were bugs with reporting games during some of NW rounds, it's just you who doesn't remember it. A personal note: I dont know why and from where this aggressive speaking comes, but if these are the tones, I don't feel the minimal respect to continue, at least for the time invested here, I can resign today and leave all in your hands.
Minimum players limit reduced to 6 per Clan
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I think the ranking CL points system is fine. And if clans lose motivation at the end of the season and start throwing games or doing stuff that alters the results at the top, then quite frankly those teams and players can get blacklisted for a season or five. Personally, I'm looking forward to the new points system - sounds good and fair!
Hurray for reduced player requirements :D
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On April 21 2018 21:13 iCCup.Face wrote:@radley I've never received complaints about the iCC-CL points system, so please don't talk like ur the voice of the people, if "everyone around was whining" they should have spoken with Admins first. You are saying it's unfair to get WO +3, instead of a possible and not probable +6 vs a weaker team, but what if the WO is vs a stronger team? Isn't unfair to get +5 for free so? WO obviously creates unfair situations, thats why it's always been a priority for every administrations not to have them. Can you please suggest a better solution in alternative to +3 and -1?Show nested quote +On April 21 2018 08:20 radley wrote: Oh, and there were bugs with reporting games during some of NW rounds, it's just you who doesn't remember it. A personal note: I dont know why and from where this aggressive speaking comes, but if these are the tones, I don't feel the minimal respect to continue, at least for the time invested here, I can resign today and leave all in your hands.
Minimum players limit reduced to 6 per Clan
No ones given you an "Aggressive" tone lol. If you want to leave, then leave. People are just giving feedback and being passionate about making a better league for us. Same message for Schamtoo as well when he thinks people are complaining about events that he hosts. People think just because they're hosting/organizing events they can try to hold it over the players, "IF YOU DONT LIKE IT, THEN I WILL LEAVE." ...Uhhh, ok, don't let the door hit you. That's my response lol.
Truth is, someone else will step up eventually. I dislike when organizers go into a power trip and say stuff like this. Yes, everyone appreciates the work hosters are doing, but not if you're going to use that line every time stuff gets a little chippy.
You're a hoster/organizer, out of your own will; learn to deal with it and manage it instead of running behind that line every time.
P.S. Note my bolded line. Yes, I do appreciate it, but I appreciate it less and less every time I hear organizers using this line.
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Typical forum trash talking vortex detected. Stay focused on the threads, thanks. Propositive suggestions will be discussed, blames will be ignored.
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I woould then politely suggest you to do what you already proposed to do and leave this event to someone others hand.
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On April 22 2018 03:41 radley wrote: I woould then politely suggest you to do what you already proposed to do and leave this event to someone others hand.
Oh, stop with the childish nonesense. If you have anything to add to the topic, then give feedback on the league itself. However, this "suggestion" is nothing but a condescending personal attack and has nothing to do in a constructive discussion.
Walk overs are unfair no matter how you twist or turn about it. There is no good system for it, because walk overs will cause the actual standings to not be representative regardless. 3 points for the CW sounds fair, as far as shitty situations goes.
Regarding your point about lower teams losing motivation and (whether intentionally or not) sabotaging the end result, I dare say rather safely that as the teams have been doing recently, then it won't happen here. Take BuLL) - they had given a ton of walk overs, but still kept showing up more and more as the season progressed. dM- was on the verge of being removed, but also got back and did well. My clan ended up at the very bottom of the league (only a disbanded team being below us), and still it didn't do anything to our motivation.
If teams prove to be of such poor character that they simply don't show up when they see they can't win, then quite frankly those teams should be permantently removed - players included (with the exception of individuals that clearly try to do their part). However, in my experience there are no teams that run the risk of doing anything of the sort. Disband, maybe, but not stop showing up for the last half of the season, just to try again the next one.
We can't make a system that covers all eventualities. The system in place is fine. And if it's not ideal, it is at the very least not so bad that the Head Admin should reconsider whether he is to stay or not. Yes, it's not the ideal phrase to resort to (i.e. "deal with it or I leave"), as it's more likely to escalate than defuse a conflict, but even so this final post of yours honestly has nothing constructive to contribute with.
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Tbh, i rlly like the usage of iCCup page for CL grid. having all the teams on iccup page will help for friendly cws too, an a automatic grid is always welcome (and not telling players in a chat channel were the other team can snipe/avoid your players lul)
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To Incomplete.Rev, I made my statement already, but Face made everything to defend iccup system claiming it had during recent team events no problems, which is false. Other people may have weak memory or this topic was visited by too low number of people actively participating in team events, organised using their system. But I do have good memory so I wanted to make it clear. And about v.o points cause I give two situations: a) Accepted by you - winning team by v.o. gets 3 points, which was even lower than winning 3-2, and they had't any opportunity to win 5-0 and get 6 points, which is double. b) Accepted by me and apparently by any other team league organisers - v.o is treated like normal 5-0 win (if 4 players were on the channel ready to play) and they get full points for that match, because they had opportunity to win 5-0 even if opposite team showed up.
You see, in both cases team could win in fair fight 5-0, but in first case its punished for other team being lazy to show up, which is DEFINITELY more unfair then getting max points for match against even stronger team, which team was fault to not show up. If you don't get it, I have no more to discus with you regarding this case.
Oh, and btw. case regarding event organisers in my opinion is the most important thing to discuss, because the way league goes depends heavily on them and decisions they make. So after seeing the way how Face gives answers and how he treated my discusion as personal attacks towards him, make me feel like he is not the person on right position.
To be clear - our two teams will join BWCL in the spirit of fair play, regardless of decisions made here and who ever will be organising it. I just hope it will be well maintained and avoid conflicts in the middle of league.
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Team [SK] - Strenght in Knowledge Leader: [SK]619, [SK]BlaCkSnoW, [SK]LasT
SK-A
[SK]LasT [SK]TerrOr [SK]Bonyth [SK]Dewalt [SK]Jabroni [SK]Magician [SK]Quantel [SK]Cute [SK]Seok
SK-B
[SK]Maxtor [SK]Carlires [SK]Bush4Hide [SK]BlaCkSnoW [SK]Tim [SK]Rich [SK]BigPaPa [sk]Haven [SK]Talent [SK]OldManSlum [SK]Rain [SK]AweAwe
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Team 29)
Leader: 29)Penguin, 29)Thafex
Players: 29)DaeJang 29)shy 29)Shield 29)34-40-34 29)Penguin 29)Duck 29)JJ2. 29)BaDaK 29)JaPPhaGo 29)zuzak3 29)cute 29)HoRangE
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On April 22 2018 20:18 radley wrote: To Incomplete.Rev, I made my statement already, but Face made everything to defend iccup system claiming it had during recent team events no problems, which is false. Other people may have weak memory or this topic was visited by too low number of people actively participating in team events, organised using their system. But I do have good memory so I wanted to make it clear.
I don't have experience with it myself, so I'll just have to take both person's word for it and see it for myself. However, seeing as I have to reset my password every time I want to log on, I do hold a button on you remembering correctly. Nevertheless, I'm open for it all to be fine in the end, so I'm looking forward to testing it on iCCup
And about v.o points cause I give two situations: a) Accepted by you - winning team by v.o. gets 3 points, which was even lower than winning 3-2, and they had't any opportunity to win 5-0 and get 6 points, which is double. b) Accepted by me and apparently by any other team league organisers - v.o is treated like normal 5-0 win (if 4 players were on the channel ready to play) and they get full points for that match, because they had opportunity to win 5-0 even if opposite team showed up.
You see, in both cases team could win in fair fight 5-0, but in first case its punished for other team being lazy to show up, which is DEFINITELY more unfair then getting max points for match against even stronger team, which team was fault to not show up. If you don't get it, I have no more to discus with you regarding this case.
I don't agree that getting 6 points for a walk over is the ideal solution. Even though I get your point that seeing as a team has enough players online to potentially get those 6 points, it's not a realistic system. We could just as well say that it should only be 1 point for a walk over, since many weak teams would probably lose anyway, so they should be happy just for getting a win at all, if for instance they get a walk over against a stronger team.
3 points is, in my opinion, an average point which will contribute to a more realistic standing on the tables, than getting 6 (or 1, for that matter) would. I think that system will be more fair in the long run regarding realistic results, whereas getting 6 points has more to do with moral than fair results.
Oh, and btw. case regarding event organisers in my opinion is the most important thing to discuss, because the way league goes depends heavily on them and decisions they make. So after seeing the way how Face gives answers and how he treated my discusion as personal attacks towards him, make me feel like he is not the person on right position.
Yes, I agree that how admins handle cases is important. I also think that Face hasn't shown ideal diplomacy in the most recent posts. However, through being a Content Admin previous season I have seen how much good work he does and I have complete faith in his good intentions. If we have admins who're rough around the edges or we think respond poorly to our feedback, then I think it's up to us to elaborate that we don't mean harm and just want to see things run smoothly. I don't think suggesting someone leave their position, or encouraging them to leave if they themselves suggest it, leads to anything productive.
You've shown how you have well thought opinions and that you can elaborate on it all in a very good way. I think it'd be a waste if we let ourselves go too far into conflict, rather than searching for an outcome that can make us all happy.
To be clear - our two teams will join BWCL in the spirit of fair play, regardless of decisions made here and who ever will be organising it. I just hope it will be well maintained and avoid conflicts in the middle of league.
I'll be looking forward to playing and likely losing to you guys :D
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Face is an Admin who doesn't sugarcoat his thoughts. But he also has the best intentions and is known to be a fair admin. As an Admin that works in counter- abuse, a very clear, sometimes even strict, way of expressing oneself can be useful and sometimes is necessary. I want to highlight that it was his idea to give the players a topic to discuss changes and to vote on them. Gecko and I didn't do that last season, it was Face idea. And I think as long as we stay constructive, it's working out quite well. It's unnecessary I think, to insult each other by suggesting to retire as player or admin, that was clearly over the top. from the amount of effort that face put into this project, I am absolutely certain that this season will turn out good. Radley already said, his team will play in the spirit of fair play. So i hope we can settle this argument.
Nothing is set in stone yet, we are here to discuss the format with you players. That said, the majority here seems to support the switch to iccup grids. Let us see how it works out first, i suggest.
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updated NaS roster (added terror):
leader - DragOn[NaS]
players DragOn[NaS] SuGo[NaS] Battousai[NaS] Beast[NaS] Kingdom[NaS] Zlifer[NaS] Jaewon[NaS] Demurity[NaS] TerrOr[NaS]
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TEAM BuLL)
Leader - BuLL)Fio Co-Leader - BuLL)dAiO
Players:
BuLL)Raynor BuLL)Dark BuLL)dAiO BuLL)Empute BuLL)Eros_craft BuLL)Alartek BuLL)FlyMio BuLL)Skydrol BuLL)Wilian BuLL)PochoTerran
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@ Team 29)
There is an irregularity with a players registered, I'd like to be contacted by the leaders to solve the problem: Contacts: TeamLiquid, ICCUP, Skype: iCCup.Face Discord: Roia#6722 email: iccup.face@gmail.com
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On April 22 2018 20:18 radley wrote: To Incomplete.Rev, I made my statement already, but Face made everything to defend iccup system claiming it had during recent team events no problems, which is false. Other people may have weak memory or this topic was visited by too low number of people actively participating in team events, organised using their system. But I do have good memory so I wanted to make it clear.
The relevant argument being: In comparison to the potential alternatives ICCup's system is the best for several reasons:
- you can handle line ups and admins don't have to invest a ton of time to manually update a list - you can immediately check for potential smurfs and the cool-down for new drafts is automatically calculated - the grids are done automatically, fair and in secret, so that's another thing out of the way - the full results are stored with a minimal effort for players and admins, as well as replays
Yeah sure, ICCup is a bug infested page, but since you made the point already: we know the bugs and we know how to solve situations. Even if you encounter them as user, the admins will know what to do without researching a ton and have a mild chance to get the devs to fix a really urgent issue.
And about v.o points cause I give two situations: a) Accepted by you - winning team by v.o. gets 3 points, which was even lower than winning 3-2, and they had't any opportunity to win 5-0 and get 6 points, which is double. b) Accepted by me and apparently by any other team league organisers - v.o is treated like normal 5-0 win (if 4 players were on the channel ready to play) and they get full points for that match, because they had opportunity to win 5-0 even if opposite team showed up.
You're looking at it from the wrong angle. In the previous seasons and in basically every event walk overs are randomized. You are not getting disproportionally many walk overs, and no team ever misses the qualifications to the play offs due to having won too few sets in the walk overs either. And even if you end up on 5 out of 10 instead of 6 out of 10 - does it really matter that much to you? Anyway, it has been tradition in the leagues that face and myself hosted in the past: before the play-offs were announced, we at least had a look at the qualified teams and tried to figure if they were there after facing the same challenges other teams had (including walk overs). E.g. if a team qualified with six out of seven wins being from walk overs, they'd prolly go into a relegation match, or the other way round, if they had a lower set-score (3-2s vs 5-0s), because the team above had more walk overs, the same would happen.
Oh, and btw. case regarding event organisers in my opinion is the most important thing to discuss, because the way league goes depends heavily on them and decisions they make. So after seeing the way how Face gives answers and how he treated my discusion as personal attacks towards him, make me feel like he is not the person on right position.
It's never a benefitial thing to caculate the outcome of every would-be scenario and try to phrase that in solid words, especially when the teams reacted the way they did last season: everyone was fair and just wanted to play. rather focus on that. no team has been punished for showing up, but teams stressing over nothing ended up getting to see idiotic puns from my side the entire season, cause... we should be like grown up and stuff, therefore pointless discussions without a case in reality is waste of everyone's time.
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Tone in this thread is just awful, anyways admins and organizers have mine and iRk's full support in hosting a great new season! You decide what you want for your league, and we'll play by your rules! <3
iRk lineups for Season#45
Leader: iRk-AgGe
iRk-A
iRk-arCNeON iRk-Cubic iRk-Favorit iRk-JerryK97 iRk-KameZerg iRk-MwK iRk-Naugrim iRk-OyA iRk-WhistleR
9 players
iRk-B
iRk-AgGe iRk-Aequitas iRk-aGOny iRk-Cackster iRk-elKador iRk-ErlinGho iRk-Forte iRk-Gurram iRk-Johan iRk-o_O iRk-Reggae iRk-zFlickan
12 players
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Clan Revolution (.ReV)
Leader: Incomplete.ReV Admins: XzOz.ReV, GruGloG.ReV and Narsil.ReV
Team members:
Carebear.ReV Skabb.ReV jinzo.ReV SkRiK.ReV SamHyde.ReV non.ReV Bad.ReV NoNuts.ReV ViR.ReV Kettle.ReV Caspas.ReV InDi.ReV TSK.ReV
iCCup team page: https://iccup.com/en/teams/139860.html
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Teams registered can create their own Clan page at ICCUP, it's mandatory so must be done before to start the season. To select your players in the pre-grid the account must be listed in the clan page members. (If an error occurs creating page due to "tag already exists" dont worry, pick a random tag, Admins will fix it) + Show Spoiler +
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On April 25 2018 03:47 iCCup.Face wrote:Teams registered can create their own Clan page at ICCUP, it's mandatory so must be done before to start the season. To select your players in the pre-grid the account must be listed in the clan page members. (If an error occurs creating page due to "tag already exists" dont worry, pick a random tag, Admins will fix it) + Show Spoiler +
having problems to register your team on iccup? You are new to iccup as a player and don't know how to register?
Feel free to contact me or any other Admin on the BWCL discord, we'll try to guide you through the process and provide troubleshooting if needed!
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clan meSiJa clan leader mSj[Anxarat] Co-Leader mSj[Dreamer], mSj[abitStar] teg mSj
team mSj[abitStar] mSj[Dreamer] mSj[Anxarat] mSj[Badirgy] mSj[mafia] mSj[smile] mSj[mr.Lir] mSj[hjkl] mSj[007] mSj[mr.Lir] mSj[Kezik] mSj[teddy_bear] mSj[hik] mSj[Necross] mSj)terran.exe mSj[Arraven] mSj[Darkysh] mSj[Clickmer] mSj[Bo6p] mSj[teffik] mSj[moro]
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clan Fun Gamers https://iccup.com/teams/41730.html
clan leader FGs.Scoow Co-Leader FGs.Impiego teg FGs.
team FGs.Scoow FGs.Impiego FGs.Meleagrr FGs.Kaban1 FGs.Lamozerg FGs.Noblesse FGs.Ironfist FGs.kernes FGs.Bumer_UA FGs.Van[Dex3]
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Hey guys i made a mistake....could you please switch [SK]Rich to SK-A instead of SK-B !! sry for that again! thanks
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infested marines xdddddddddddddd iccup page: https://iccup.com/teams/139998.html organizer: iM-castle
playerlist: iM-castle iM-schifter iM-zOwie iM-kimquex iM-Jiraiya iM-Zia iM-EndingLife iM-Ngo iM-LandOwner iM-Favian iM-Surfer
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On April 27 2018 06:22 BlaCkSnoW98 wrote: Hey guys i made a mistake....could you please switch [SK]Rich to SK-A instead of SK-B !! sry for that again! thanks
The important thing is the list of players into the iccup clan page is correct
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team name: Inaequalis
leader: Inae.m0ses CO-leader: Inae.Satik players: Inae.m0ses Inae.Satik Inae.dOllar Inae.seeTSU Inae.Psych_O Inae.Cipisek akka Inae.Krocan Inae.Maso Inae.Steve Inae.ValentinD Inae.vOddy Inae.Ramzes Inae.H3llscream here is link for oficialy registered players on ICCUP (9 players there): https://iccup.com/en/dota/teams/members.html
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Team Name: Aeterna Societas Honoris Tag: ash. Team Leaders: ash.BlackSun & ash.GaMe ash.TeH ash.GoOdY ash.MindFlayer ash.ZokkeR ash.Dentarg ash.Jaxx ash.BaaL ash.Game
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https://iccup.com/en/starcraft/teams/139886.html NaS Iccup link, also added Irish[NaS]
NaS roster currently:
leader - DragOn[NaS]
players DragOn[NaS] SuGo[NaS] Battousai[NaS] Beast[NaS] Kingdom[NaS] Zlifer[NaS] Jaewon[NaS] Demurity[NaS] TerrOr[NaS] Irish[NaS]
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do we need to post the iccup team page??
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I hope we're registered in time
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On April 29 2018 04:48 ash.Game wrote: do we need to post the iccup team page?? No need to post, but create the page if u havent done yet
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Clan: Leaders and Players
- Every Clan has to nominate a leader who manages the team in the ongoing season. A second so-called trusted member can serve as second in command to help his leader.
- Adding and removing players during the regular season is allowed and has to be informally announced in the Discord Roster channel.
- A new player can only play in a Clan War if he was added at least 48 hours before the Clan War is scheduled to start.
note: For Playoffs/out roster changes are not valid and the players have to have played at least one CW during the regular season.
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Team pSi iccup page - https://iccup.com/en/starcraft/teams/308.html
Tag: pSi. Leader: pSi.Grast Co-lead: pSi.Marine
Roster: pSi.MukJa pSi.rAmEc pSi.Tragedy pSi.ToKa (aka pSi.1a2a3a) pSi.Grast pSi.Letalis pSi.Prase pSi.Jim pSi.Cold pSi.vesk0 pSi.RushHour pSi.officerfwar pSi.mitak_ pSi.marine
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you can remove team SK both division we wont be playing in! Thx and GL in the league guys!
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Team: ASES
Tag: ASES.
Team Leaders: ASES.Shinluz / ASES.Ein_Soft
Players:
ASES.Shinluz ASES.Ein_soft ASES.JC ASES.Rada ASES.JuancitoS ASES.Saser ASES.Bishop ASES.Flechador ASES.Smaiquer ASES.FitosS
Iccup team page under construction https://iccup.com/en/teams/140015.html
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Singup up my team:
Name: Rasierte Eier Dödel Clantag: Red. Leader: Red.W4rr10r
Roster:
Red-A https://iccup.com/en/teams/139899.html Red.Eriador Red.Fischei Red.Cryoc RED.BLUEGREEN Red.pirayaya Red.CadenZie Red.Herb Red.KuH Red.Voodoodo Red.drum Red.LasT Red.Best Red.Rich
Red-B https://iccup.com/en/teams/139900.html Red.W4rr10r Red.Alf Red.ProM Red.Hot Red.pRedatox Red.DarkStorm Red.Zuba Red.derkavich Red.QuaD Red.Helenius Red.Sea Red.cReAtiVee Red.Fry
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REGISTRATION CLOSED
Few info before the official news gonna be released:
- The CL starting day has been postponed, if all going fine we plan to start Sunday, May 13th
- To Leaders who haven't already done, create the ICCUP Clan page as soon as possible and link me the url
- Discord is mandatory. To Leaders who are not already inside the group, create a Discord account and contact me at Roia#6722 as soon as possible
- Teams: 1 - dM- 2 - NaS 3 - Red-A 4 - Red-B 5 - BuLL) 6 - iRk-A 7 - iRk-B 8 - Rev 9 - mSj 10 - FGs 11 - iM- 12 - Inae 13 - ash 14 - [KDV]-A 15 - [KDV]-B 16 - Fkc 17 - pSi. 18 - ASES
For everything you need: Contacts: TeamLiquid, ICCUP, Skype: iCCup.Face Discord: Roia#6722 email: iccup.face@gmail.com
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Pls 1 slot
Full name: Eternal Friends Tag: eF
Leaders: kingtoss[eF],hard[eF]
Players:
kingtoss[eF] Mafius[eF] Gosudark[eF] Hard[eF] GaMBitO[eF] Dienmax[eF] Leo[eF] Cruzago[eF] LoCcxito[eF] Fox[eF] Inca[eF] Astraboy[eF] Arte[eF] Predator[eF]
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Pls 1 slot
Full name: Starcraft Dominguero Tag: ScD
Leaders: ScD]-AngeLuZ / ScD]-OdiN
Players:
ScD]-GordiTo ScD]-Galindo ScD]-Style ScD]-Right ScD]-Lvl ScD]-NeTs ScD]-yOp ScD]-ZeTy ScD]-Artanis
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kingtoss[eF],mafius[ef] please contact me within 36 hours
TeamLiquid, ICCUP, Skype: iCCup.Face Discord: Roia#6722 email: iccup.face@gmail.com
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On May 09 2018 03:27 iCCup.Face wrote: kingtoss[eF],mafius[ef] please contact me within 36 hours
TeamLiquid, ICCUP, Skype: iCCup.Face Discord: Roia#6722 email: iccup.face@gmail.com
hi ef confirms your participation, I would like to know if I can increase some player
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On May 09 2018 22:43 jamesz wrote: hi ef confirms your participation, I would like to know if I can increase some player
Okay, good, please contact me at Discord asap
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On May 09 2018 23:17 iCCup.Face wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 22:43 jamesz wrote: hi ef confirms your participation, I would like to know if I can increase some player Okay, good, please contact me at Discord asap Ok
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