Uhm okay, free harassing a bit with 3 zealots at the second expansion of jy.. but he does little damage, jy has enough lings. Lair done, 5 Hatch hydra.. corsair arrive.
First templars pop for free. Scourges scout his base.. o.o Free moves out with speedzeal (~7-8 and an archon) but Jy has ALOT! of hyds and free retreats
Almost entirely hydras from jy. Catches free out of position as he is putting up 12 inset. Eventually repulsed by large zealot force. HTs out now, probably with storm. Lurkers on the way. Lots and lots of lurkers
First lurkers are morphing for Jy and speed is done for overlords.. (drop maybe?) Holy Shit.. many lurkers! Hyd / Lurk ovi moving to free mainbase.. hmm DROP!
Free is prepared. Robotics going down. Hydras galore go down to well placed storms. 1 gate and robo dies, but virtually all hydras die along with a couple ovies.
On February 11 2008 19:14 []p4NDemik[] wrote: that was probably the best PvZ game I've seen on Katrina ...
bisu v savior would like to have a word with you.
on katrina ... i think not. And by "best" i mean "most entertaining." Even with those big names, I haven't seen anything that makes me think different of that last game.
Ok I lied he doesnt wall in..he builds his rax infront of his depot. I'm going to assume this makes a zeal proof spot for his rines to hide in. If not, I'm confused. Both players move out to scout as casy starts his gas and Best makes a gateway. Marine started before the fact.
On February 11 2008 19:18 M2 wrote: I know I have it, but for me both Gom and Daum are lagging) so if YY doesnt work I watch the vods later from Yakii)
Daum lags for me too in beginning, but after few minutes it doesn't lag at all!
Buffers many times and then the lag is gone, you've waited long enough?
Best has 3 zeals. Casy has started his add on. 2 zeals comming. They kill 2 rines, one dies and the other runs away. Best makes a pylon in the spot a cc wouldnormally be made. A goon is out and it scampers (yes scampers) towards the terran base. A mighty scv is attacking the pylon. All the rines go down but 2 vults are out with mines and lay about 5 or 6 or them. Casy is secure. He also starts a cc right next to the pylon. Nice pylon best. GW.
Casy has about 12 mines layed above his nat choke 1 vult of doom is attacking the pylon. A second fact is up. Casy moves 3 slow vults to right below the toss ramp where he runs into 6 goons but stillmanages to kill maybe 2 probes?
Best has 2 gates that block his front. Also a robo facility and a support bay. Nice choice considering Casy has no turrets. However he does have an armory almost done. He also has a starport with an add on. The starport is flashing and an academy is up. 7 speed vults movingtowards the protoss nat. A reaver fires one scarab at them but they run and none die. Reaver at the Terran nat! Scvs run as do 2 tanks defending. Ouch for casy. Hes losing a lot of mining time.
4 vult drop in the protoss base! NICE! HES DOING MAJOR DAMGE . He drops another 4 in. But at the same time Best drops a reaver back in the scv line takingout a few. 2 stargate carrier starting. Casy sloppy,losing vults to goons without running them or moving them at all really.
Alethios, its katrina what do you expect Casy already has some gols out, about 5. Casy up to 4 facts. Bestgod with 5 or so gates? A cc is floating to the second nat. Casys secondnat is up. The stargates arent flshing at the moment, ok their they go.. BUt the min only is going up. Casy is doing really well actually. Props to him. 2 carriers are out. A reaver with a shuttle supports them but tanks instantly kill it lol.
Casy is playing really well. LOL another 4 vult drop kills some probes and 2 goons with one mine blast. A vult still alive and with 5 kills. 2 Carriers harassing the 2nd nat.
He then runs away asap Casy up to 6 or so facts. Also startinglike 5 turrets. BUt carriers and a reaver arrive just as they start. The scvs run but best doesnt get many kills. A LARGE tank/gol army moving towards best god. BEST ENGAGES WITH CARRIERS ZEALS AND GOONS + REAVER SUPPORT. Fairly even fight both sides take damage but nothing really deciding. The reaver is back in the t nat. Killing turrets. Theres also a lone zeal chasing scvs. Casy continues his pressureon the protoss nat. Hes doing well. Best doesnt have the units to stop it and hes wasting a lot to tank fire. Best back at the T nat again but loses his shuttle. The scvs STILL cant mine though.
How does BestGod expect this build to work w/o his third gas, and even in bases with his terran opponent? And I thought no one could fuck up carriers on Katrina.
This is a fucking great game. One of the best tvps Ive seen on Katrina. A hero reaver still alive. Kills the scanner and dies to 2 tanks. Ok A large T army at the protoss nat. About 8 tanks and 12 gols. Best has 4? Carriers. P ENGAES T! But quickly realizes he wont win and runs.
Casy is not in a huge advantage. The game is very close. P has 5 carriers now. OH shit I spoke to soon. Casy levels the protoss min only. However speed zeals/goons and carriers rape the shit out of the T army. Its stilla pretty close game.
Oh shit! The armies miss each other. Bestgod with 6 well microed carriers picking of tanks andgols. This push is in trouble! A carrier goes down but all the gols and tanks die. They only take out a few gateways and 1 carrier. INTENSE.
Carriers are at the undefended T nat. The armory is down. SO IS THE CC! About 12 gols moving to defend. The EBAY Sci facility go down. And the carriers escape uncscated from the gols. Bestgods min only is back online. Wow what a game.
Demik, I disagree. Both players are playing well. Its pretty easy to say what someone "Should do" but another thing entirely to do it when youre under a huge amount of pressure.
Ok. So Casy' said his Keyboard stopped. That is what they expect. And due to that, his macro stopped. They are doing a replay review at the moment to see what will futher happen.
OMGGGGGG FUCK. I woke up from Deep sleep to watch this. It was amazing, I woke up in a blitz like.. omg Casy's playing.
Really? Casy still had another expo, BestGod was almost out of minerals, and only had two gates + 4 carriers. He was doing damage, but I dont think that was clear cut at all.
HOLY SHIT FUCK IN BEST GOD LOSES A CARRIER FOR NOTHING. A HUGE T AMRY BUT P RUNS AROUND IT AND LEVELS THE 2nd NAT! HE ALSO LEVELS THE MIN ONLY! Casy has NO EXPANSIONS.
Well, I missed too much to see how it opened. OOOo CMonnn Dong Wook. 2P's in your group doesn't mean shit. You almost beat him on Katrina. Jy is dogfood. Bestgod is obviously dogfood, just Katrina....
Ya carriers become harder and harder to stop as their numbers grow. When P gets to 6 or + a land army its incredibly hard to stop unless the Ts army is MUCH large. If you add in the terrain of Katrina and its just impossible.
I still think he could have won after the resume, except that he decided to take his army way out of position. It was very painful that he only had one scan though.
On February 11 2008 19:56 Dromar wrote: This sounds like a must-see game.
Its one of those "its so bad, its good" games.
What the heck do you mean by that? The game was very well played.
You can't be serious. Casy had a HUGE advantage, and simply couldn't close it out, being scared off by two carriers and a handful of dragoons when he had an absolutely huge army and was even in bases (being up one gas). BestGod made numerous mistakes.
LOL. What mistakes? Losing a few units while retreating to a larger army? Casy couldnt close it out because of great carrier harass, a usual suspect on katrina. You expect Casy to macro perfectly while advancing his army AND dealing with carrier harass? Get real.
On February 11 2008 20:01 Manifesto7 wrote: I still think he could have won after the resume, except that he decided to take his army way out of position. It was very painful that he only had one scan though.
Well he most likely wouldve lost if he directly engaged the P army. There werent THAT many gols in his army. Ps land army wouldve died, but afterwards the carriers wouldve had free reign on Ts army. Not a good situation.
I'll stand pat in my opinion until I see the VOD again. The map imbalance definitely made it harder for Casy to close, but I'm not going to blame it all on Katrina like everyone else is so ready to do.
On February 11 2008 20:06 []p4NDemik[] wrote: I'll stand pat in my opinion until I see the VOD again. The map imbalance definitely made it harder for Casy to close, but I'm not going to blame it all on Katrina like everyone else is so ready to do.
Ok Gosu. Maybe you should become a progaming coach?
Seriously it would rape. If a player scouted both assims dead they would 100% think its a tech/drop/expand to islands type build. Then all of the sudden BAM power 3 gate range goon in your face.
On February 11 2008 20:10 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Seriously it would rape. If a player scouted both assims dead they would 100% think its a tech/drop/expand to islands type build. Then all of the sudden BAM power 3 gate range goon in your face.
Wow... that would be really cool. Kill your own assimilations you mean right? The map certainly allows for those sorts of things to happen. Yet to see a player inventive enough to do something really interesting though. Shame really.
On February 11 2008 20:10 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Seriously it would rape. If a player scouted both assims dead they would 100% think its a tech/drop/expand to islands type build. Then all of the sudden BAM power 3 gate range goon in your face.
Wow... that would be really cool. Kill your own assimilations you mean right? The map certainly allows for those sorts of things to happen. Yet to see a player inventive enough to do something really interesting though. Shame really.
Ya your own of course. Would be impossible to kill the oppoents assims with 1 gate
On February 11 2008 20:15 GTR-2-Go wrote: fuck bestgod i hope he dies in the brackets and the dual tournament AND the offline preliminaries that are coming up next
Lol. Why so much hate? Don't like nerdy toss players? So you hate stork too right?
On February 11 2008 20:14 SuperJongMan wrote: Free, you are all disappointment to me. I hate you so much. Go win a game when it matters for once. Punkass. I hope Casy rolls you.
On February 11 2008 20:06 []p4NDemik[] wrote: I'll stand pat in my opinion until I see the VOD again. The map imbalance definitely made it harder for Casy to close, but I'm not going to blame it all on Katrina like everyone else is so ready to do.
Ok Gosu. Maybe you should become a progaming coach?
If that wasnt a well played game, then what is?
We're at a difference of opinions on this obviously. I thought Casy failed to press home his clear advantage, you feel otherwise. I'll have to RESPECTFULLY disagree with you.
Stupid punk-ass korean CS players... Far too many players advancing these days as their opponents destroy themselves. Love how the girl in the camera add would be dead... URGH... I seem to be stuck in a centrifuge. Splat.
On February 11 2008 20:06 []p4NDemik[] wrote: I'll stand pat in my opinion until I see the VOD again. The map imbalance definitely made it harder for Casy to close, but I'm not going to blame it all on Katrina like everyone else is so ready to do.
Ok Gosu. Maybe you should become a progaming coach?
If that wasnt a well played game, then what is?
We're at a difference of opinions on this obviously. I thought Casy failed to press home his clear advantage, you feel otherwise. I'll have to RESPECTFULLY disagree with you.
And how would he have done this exactly? He was obviously trying to do so. His methods didnt work out, but apparently you have better solutions. What are they?
if he "pressed his advantage" he would lose all his units and therefore lose the game much sooner than he did. obviously he was trying to move forward but that absolutely cannot come at the cost of his tanks
the only thing keeping bestgod from harassing earlier was the constant threat of units outside his main, casy could not lose those units and hope to win the game
casy's advantage was not in unit numbers, it was in the positioning that allowed him to keep the carriers away from his own base. if you realize this then you realize he was in fact pressing his advantage, by keeping bestgod's carriers away from himself
On February 11 2008 20:06 []p4NDemik[] wrote: I'll stand pat in my opinion until I see the VOD again. The map imbalance definitely made it harder for Casy to close, but I'm not going to blame it all on Katrina like everyone else is so ready to do.
Ok Gosu. Maybe you should become a progaming coach?
If that wasnt a well played game, then what is?
We're at a difference of opinions on this obviously. I thought Casy failed to press home his clear advantage, you feel otherwise. I'll have to RESPECTFULLY disagree with you.
And how would he have done this do you exactly? He was obviously trying to do so. His methods didnt work out, but apparently you have better solutions. What are they?
I have no idea how long, but he had BestGod's entire army occupied at his front door, but I kept thinking Casy could have expanded to further his advantage and take it from there. I don't pretend to be Gosu. I may have missed something. I need to see the VOD again, after a long game that involved an equally long intermission. You MAY be right. But please drop the attitude and derisive comments.
Casy going for 1 rax into factory build. Marine's stationed at choke. Jy has scouted top left, but not top left or bottom left. Firebat, 2 Medics and 3 marines out for Casy.
On February 11 2008 20:24 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: if he "pressed his advantage" he would lose all his units and therefore lose the game much sooner than he did. obviously he was trying to move forward but that absolutely cannot come at the cost of his tanks
the only thing keeping bestgod from harassing earlier was the constant threat of units outside his main, casy could not lose those units and hope to win the game
casy's advantage was not in unit numbers, it was in the positioning that allowed him to keep the carriers away from his own base. if you realize this then you realize he was in fact pressing his advantage, by keeping bestgod's carriers away from himself
"pressed the advantage" was not the best choice of words. and these are all good points.
But as you said, he was able to keep the carriers at bay for a good amount of time. Long enough, I believe, to get another expansion and keep the game in his favor for a greater amount of time, probably leading to a win.
But whatever, I need to get back to watching the game at hand.
On February 11 2008 20:06 []p4NDemik[] wrote: I'll stand pat in my opinion until I see the VOD again. The map imbalance definitely made it harder for Casy to close, but I'm not going to blame it all on Katrina like everyone else is so ready to do.
Ok Gosu. Maybe you should become a progaming coach?
If that wasnt a well played game, then what is?
We're at a difference of opinions on this obviously. I thought Casy failed to press home his clear advantage, you feel otherwise. I'll have to RESPECTFULLY disagree with you.
And how would he have done this do you exactly? He was obviously trying to do so. His methods didnt work out, but apparently you have better solutions. What are they?
I have no idea how long, but he had BestGod's entire army occupied at his front door, but I kept thinking Casy could have expanded to further his advantage and take it from there. I don't pretend to be Gosu. I may have missed something. I need to see the VOD again, after a long game that involved an equally long intermission. You MAY be right. But please drop the attitude and derisive comments.
That wouldve spread his defensives even more thin. Giving him more ground to protect against carrier harass. I wouldnt be derisive, but I think its really unfair to not give credit to players who played as excellently as Bestgod and casy did in that game. It was a fantastic game.
On the current game. Wow really interesting variaton on Casy's normal 1 rax acad openning from his championship run. In that OSl he pretty much opened 1 rax acadinto fast expo.
I have no ideawhathesdoing this time, wellobviously a nuke rush, but why? lol.
Hydralisk den up. It was a vessel. 3 rax for Casy, pumping marines. Mutalisks still lurking. Casy pushing across map to Jy's main. Ghost out already. Sunkens only just going down now
Its interesting for sure. But casy wuldve been much better off with a FE build intonuke. His expo was way too slow. He could still come back though. Well see. t will be tough though.
Jy taking down assimilators at 3, doesn't seem to realise that Casy is already building within. Ultra cavern finishing. Casy still w/o large M&M force.
On February 11 2008 20:41 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Its interesting for sure. But casy wuldve been much better off with a FE build intonuke. His expo was way too slow. He could still come back though. Well see. t will be tough though.
maybe he wanted a timing nuke on the sunkenwall when first 6-7 lurkers were being morphed, hopefully getting the lurkers at the same time haha
Nice def-matrix on firebat allows casy to take out 2 ultras. Pushing into Jy's nat with huge M&M force. Stuff dying everywhere. Looking good all of a sudden for Casy
M&M force in Jy's main reduced to just medics. Commando force @ 3 however have taken out stuff and are killing the hatch. Jy has expanded to Top Left natural, Casy attacks... everything there dies.
Casy loses a dropship to 2 well placed scourge, but Jy is virtually not mining anywhere. Loading up for a drop. Jy looking rather despondant. He's taking out the assimilators at his main.
Going in for another drop in Jy's main... Firebats galore. Another dropship approaching. Hatchery in Main dying. Jy looks starved for minerals. Another nuke in main, over defiler mound.
That was definitely THE game of the year. I was so excited I, kept posting live reports in the Bisu to T1 thread and was pissed that no one was responding.
On February 11 2008 20:57 edzwoo wrote: That was definitely THE game of the year. I was so excited I, kept posting live reports in the Bisu to T1 thread and was pissed that no one was responding.
On February 11 2008 20:58 M2 wrote: The only drawback in this game for me was that casy didnt finish the hatchery after the first nuke...
haha So true. And thats the exact reason I thought Casy was fucked this game. Because I'm fair ly sure the intention of the first nuke attack was to at least take out that hatch.
On February 11 2008 20:50 SuperJongMan wrote: Man, #1 Stunnaaaaaaaa
Sonic Booster Casy is so awesome ~_~
Two of the pimpest BW moments are under his name ~_~
Fake FE and 1 base nuke opening Tvz? I totally agree. Pimp as fuck. Cant believe hes doing as well as he is this game. Much respect.
did he fake fe?
No, that was simply the other pimp moment in Bw history that I could think of. His Fake FE against July was the definition of Pimp.
Ah ok, i though u were talking about this game only. Yeah i remember that game, it was so awesome... i tried using it on bnet but cant do it vs newbs coz they pull their overlord far enough so they can see the CC and then get killed:/
yeah casy is amazing tvz, and enjoyable to watch, omg good micro all game too
On February 11 2008 21:01 HaXxorIzed wrote: Oh fuck, that game was amazing. Casy even has a shiny new TvP to boot. It must be a great day to be a Casy fan, advancing from these groups or no.
On February 11 2008 20:58 M2 wrote: The only drawback in this game for me was that casy didnt finish the hatchery after the first nuke...
haha So true. And thats the exact reason I thought Casy was fucked this game. Because I'm fair ly sure the intention of the first nuke attack was to at least take out that hatch.
I think the main intention of this first nuke was to take out the sunken line and then the marines to rape, but his timing was a bit off and the lurkers managed to save the day...my opinion,,
On February 11 2008 21:02 ret wrote: I fake FE'ed in a clan war vs sea.jy (on luna) before casy ever did it on tv, clearly he copied that shit after studying my reps
On February 11 2008 21:02 ret wrote: I fake FE'ed in a clan war vs sea.jy (on luna) before casy ever did it on tv, clearly he copied that shit after studying my reps
On February 11 2008 21:02 ret wrote: I fake FE'ed in a clan war vs sea.jy (on luna) before casy ever did it on tv, clearly he copied that shit after studying my reps
On February 11 2008 21:02 ret wrote: I fake FE'ed in a clan war vs sea.jy (on luna) before casy ever did it on tv, clearly he copied that shit after studying my reps
What is really amazing is that the nukes didn't just act as a surprise rush. He used them consistantly, 1 nuke in particular that took down almost every single drone in Jy's main. Amazing stuff.
On February 11 2008 20:58 M2 wrote: The only drawback in this game for me was that casy didnt finish the hatchery after the first nuke...
haha So true. And thats the exact reason I thought Casy was fucked this game. Because I'm fair ly sure the intention of the first nuke attack was to at least take out that hatch.
I think the main intention of this first nuke was to take out the sunken line and then the marines to rape, but his timing was a bit off and the lurkers managed to save the day...my opinion,,
Agreed, but you have to admit the ultimate goal, after takingout the sunken line, was to get the hatch. And he couldve done it had he focused on the hatch.
On February 11 2008 21:02 ret wrote: I fake FE'ed in a clan war vs sea.jy (on luna) before casy ever did it on tv, clearly he copied that shit after studying my reps
Free doing something really weird with his scouting probe. Sends it down to 5, then along to 6, then around... seems to be scouting for cheese. Has sent another probe up to 11. Goon range being researched. 4 marines, something being researched at machine shop. Casy looking to expand to nat. Couple goons out for free
Obervatory finished for free. Expansion up for Casy. Other factory is dropped. Rax floating out to scout. Mines are laid at 9 mineral only, on ramps and @ 11. Obs is out. 3rd factory dropped, along with engineering bay. Both players sitting in their respective bases.
On February 11 2008 21:02 ret wrote: I fake FE'ed in a clan war vs sea.jy (on luna) before casy ever did it on tv, clearly he copied that shit after studying my reps
did u win aswell?
it was tmg vs whatever clan all the sea guys were playing for, and yes I won 2-0
that game i fake exped and won with 3 rax build -.-
Shuttle out. Reaver loaded up... heading towards Casy. Free loses an obs to Casy's turret. Armory is dropped. Casy scouts reaver drop with marines. Free expands to mineral only.
Shuttle with reaver dies to Casy's marines! Nasty. Casy sieging behind ridge @ free's natural. Repulsed however when free brings in goons. Casy attempts to kill many with vultures, but free kills the mines as they are laid. Casy takes the opportunity to reseige outside free's nat. Shelling. Has build a turret inside frees nat.
On February 11 2008 21:08 Alethios wrote: Free: 1 gate into CC. Free scout in casy's base. Casy about to scout free. Marine pops out, factory starts up for casy.
Didnt know p could make ccs thanks for letting me know.
Again, free manages to kill the tanks by the ridge, replaces straight away however. Casy does it again, free does it again :D 3 nexus 2 CC. Sieging again outside nat.
On February 11 2008 21:08 Alethios wrote: Free: 1 gate into CC. Free scout in casy's base. Casy about to scout free. Marine pops out, factory starts up for casy.
Didnt know p could make ccs thanks for letting me know.
Nexus at nat has around 100 hp. This is turning into a battle for that patch by the ridge at the nat. Vultures raiding Free's mineral only. No into free's nat. Kills the many probes, couple zealots and finishes the nexus there.
Is Casy gonna be the..... "soon-to-be bonjwa" ? His play is really inspiring right now. Liquibet points doesnt even matter here when such a player is playing with such style !
Casy sieging natural again, which is back up. Spotting with original rax, great value for money. Free pushes forward to the ridge. But casy has set up a load of tanks and goo flys everywhere.
On February 11 2008 21:37 SuperJongMan wrote: Casy is 5-1 last 6 TvP he's played, all within a short span of time. During this, he has played half of them on Katrina.
His TvP is reborn ~_~. Shit, so is his TvZ, he fackin nuke rushed.
On February 11 2008 21:39 SayGG wrote: Hey guys, calm down. Hes only made to ODT. Still one step to go before you can call him back again.
Whatever. He beat a Protoss. Let's celebrate. O wait, he beat 3!!! I dunno if you get it but that obviously means nothing can stop him now.
I'm actually with you SJM on this bandwagon of Casy lovers. Since the day he won his first and single OSL title i knew he's big. The only terran player alive who plays manly 1 base micro tvz (even Boxer doesn't play it this way now). He's awesome.
oh my god, the euphoria of caseys resurrection is tempered by the fucking ridiculous bandwagoning that is about to take place. Though its purposeless to be pissed off, I cant help but being annoyed at the multitude of fuckwits that are gonna be like "Casey NEO BOXER WOOO WOOO", incidentally the same people who rode the "Casey pvzt LOL i know shit" bandwagon unfortunately a few prominent BLers too......
On February 11 2008 23:40 AcquiescE wrote: oh my god, the euphoria of caseys resurrection is tempered by the fucking ridiculous bandwagoning that is about to take place. Though its purposeless to be pissed off, I cant help but being annoyed at the multitude of fuckwits that are gonna be like "Casey NEO BOXER WOOO WOOO", incidentally the same people who rode the "Casey pvzt LOL i know shit" bandwagon unfortunately a few prominent BLers too......
first - its Casy, not Casey second - he was called the neo emperor like 2 ago already third - wtf youre trying to say? learn to write understandably plz
i think u miss my point and are basically a weirdo : |
1. wow, anal...
2. um i agree it was made up then...cool... a bandwagon kinda needs to be created before people can ride it yes?
3. I believe many people just "pick" what they're going believe and or feel. There are several veins/tangents/storylines/wanks running through progaming at any one time. Basically it seems everyone just chooses a path, wants to be involved, give input etc. etc. This often annoys people who really follow and really care when people who dont know shit just jump on in.
On February 12 2008 00:16 AcquiescE wrote: 3. I believe many people just "pick" what they're going believe and or feel. There are several veins/tangents/storylines/wanks running through progaming at any one time. Basically it seems everyone just chooses a path, wants to be involved, give input etc. etc. This often annoys people who really follow and really care when people who dont know shit just jump on in.
If you really support a player, why would you care if someone else decides to show them support as well? If you're truly a supporter, any additional support should make you even happier.
Holy shit I m so happy. We need to get an "OMG Neo-Emperor is reborn" bandwagon started and rolling. I already smell teh hype from this thread.
Oh we will need a Casy appreciation thread too. Casy has been underrated for so long with these Seas, Irises, Hwasins, Minds taking over the T scene so I hope he actually gets overhyped.
just saw the free/jy game on katrina. Wow, what a match. I must say that jy started out quite well and developed into a good midgame, but i feel it was the wrong choice to switch to ling+ultra. If he had kept with hydras I think he could have beaten free, or even hydra/ultras, with that economy he had running. Endlessly suiciding single files of lings into archons didn't help him either.