If I am not mistaken, the top 2 from each Regional Qualifier will advance to the WCG USA finals. I will keep this thread updated as results come in. In addition, I will be attending the Pacific Regional, so hopefully I can provide some live coverage!
Please check THIS THREAD for the "WCG USA Qualifiers Episode 2" Thread. Which has all the information about the Online Qualifiers.
unless i've already moved into my apartment in philadelphia by the weekend that the north regional runs, i'm probably not going to be able to show up in indianapolis. i can't go there unless i can get a train-ride or whatever to that city .
Shouldn't WCG allow Lastgosu to go instead of Spades since apparently Spades won't go unless someone dishes out cash for him because he is to busy doing med school? And that ain't gonna happen.
On July 19 2008 06:58 SCC-Faust wrote: Shouldn't WCG allow Lastgosu to go instead of Spades since apparently Spades won't go unless someone dishes out cash for him because he is to busy doing med school? And that ain't gonna happen.
im 90% sure spades gets to give his spot to someone if he doesnt go
mission viejo I **BELIEVE** that's about 1 hour away from San Diego. If I'm not mistaken, I saw it while driving home to LA yesterday. It definitely was "Howies" maybe it was a different location though.
On July 19 2008 14:13 tonight wrote: Come on Pad get your shit together and hustle 'em!
i'd honestly love to and was looking forward to it, but i can't justify it after taking my car up to canada this summer already. i'm saving money for school .
On July 19 2008 14:13 tonight wrote: Come on Pad get your shit together and hustle 'em!
i'd honestly love to and was looking forward to it, but i can't justify it after taking my car up to canada this summer already. i'm saving money for school .
Understandable, but still I'll call you names such as, "wuss, sissy, girlyman, ect"
On July 20 2008 02:25 Machine[USA] wrote: are hackers gonna get banned? TT they are just taking up spots and the ones who show would just get slammed anyways why even bother ><
If any action was going to be taken against hackers it would have been during the online qualification stages, I doubt that they will do anything now that all of those players have been invited.
why let someone like Lastshadow participate since Kawaiirice helped him vs everyone he played in WCG when he was obsing games. i didnt take SS of this but Kawaii did tell me that he cheated for Lastshadow while obsing his games
kawaii =\.... i wish flags method would be able to test peoples replays because I think wcg reps should be submitted so they could be tested before wcg regionals but i guess its to late for that...
On July 23 2008 17:14 SouL)Z(SliDeR wrote: why let someone like Lastshadow participate since Kawaiirice helped him vs everyone he played in WCG when he was obsing games. i didnt take SS of this but Kawaii did tell me that he cheated for Lastshadow while obsing his games
don;t need an ss lastshadow is so bad at cheating he sends his army without scouting and shit. I mean seriously you'd think after already being caught 3x cheating he'd be better at it by now, I still laugh when i think of 35 hp marines
I was intending on coming but I learned that my grandparents are flying down for a visit that same weekend. I made a blog about it.
I asked them to see if I could maybe play it online, but I doubt they'd let me and they don't seem to be replying. Might be because it's the weekend though I guess.
also just LOL at wcg for the way they handle their logisitics. OF COURSE half the players wont show up when you annouce shit with less than a week to go and shit.
And even though they set the date really late, they didn't check what was going on in those towns on those weekends because in Mission Viejo for the Pacific lan, they have a shit load of conventions and shit in town and it took me about 7 hours of calling hotels and looking them up to finally find 1 which wasn't completely booked / available for the entire weekend. WCG is such a pain in the fucken ass rofl.
so whos going to Pacific? I'm assuming all the players r going (lol@Dino@Lan) but honestly don't know outside of me and iNcontroL. Machine is coming with us and we r all crashing together. But who else is coming to watch?
On August 03 2008 18:01 yOko[LuNyA] wrote: is idra flying to america to play for this?
i believe hes playing it online and if he qualifies(id on't really know how big of a question this is) he will fly back to america to play in usa finals
lol this is gonna be funny, im gonna fly to the north regional to play greg in a bo3 online then fly home ROFL, c u their greg ^^. and btw wcg, i am dissapointed.... shoulda banned the hackers TT
On August 04 2008 08:10 Louder wrote: I can't help but wonder why hackers should be banned if they qualify legitimately. Didn't Dino post FPVODs of his games?
That's just the consensus and common rule. There are precedents from virtually every governing entity of a sport or game in the entire world. In the absence of a governing entity, our community takes up the responsibility of upholding this practice.
On August 04 2008 08:10 Louder wrote: I can't help but wonder why hackers should be banned if they qualify legitimately. Didn't Dino post FPVODs of his games?
this is like saying why should professional baseball players be punished for using steroids if they promise to stop.
I've been smashing my head on the table for the last 10 minutes at what louder just said.
PLEASE PLEASE
Is anyone else raising your children? I cannot fathom young people being raised by a guy who is like "well, you can cheat, just dont get caught or if you do.. don't worry.. it shouldn't effect you in anything else."
Think about it in real life, if you are convicted of a crime, it goes on your record, but you can still find ex-criminals working their way back into the community, provided they are still clean / not committing crimes. Louder's point was: if Dino qualified for WCG Regionals legitimately, why should he be banned for something that happened about 5 months ago?
Personally, I think the hackers should be banned, at least for this year's WCG, since they were all caught hacking this year... although I wouldn't be opposed to them being allowed to play NEXT year provided they play aren't caught hacking again.
I know what he is saying. Being sympathetic to hackers and the shit they do is fucking scummy. I don't give a shit if they played legitly (they didn't, lastshadow had help on vent and spades hacked while the case isn't closed on Dino I can tell you he has confirmed he has a hack for iccup and has hacked/lied so deserves no "benefit of the doubt.")
Louder cried to an admin when G5 took a smoke break. An artificial boundary was crossed (as fabricated by the admin/louder) and G5 was w/o'd. Its scummy and stupid no matter how you splice it. Louder never posts here and for one of the few things he says be some kind of defense or argument FOR scummy hackers that have LITERALLY robbed people of a ton of money (dino) or knocked out legit gamers while cheating (Lastshadow/Spades) is fucking pathetic.
Xeris, just for once, don't blindly defend someone cause they wear the same tag as you. Louder is wrong to be arguing for them.
again, I was just stating what I thought Louder was saying ... I already said in my other post that I don't agree with what he said because I think they should be banned, at least for the time being.
just because I don't say "OMFG LOUDER YOUR SO CLEARLY WRONG" doesn't mean I am defending him... : |
On August 04 2008 09:18 Xeris wrote: again, I was just stating what I thought Louder was saying ... I already said in my other post that I don't agree with what he said because I think they should be banned, at least for the time being.
just because I don't say "OMFG LOUDER YOUR SO CLEARLY WRONG" doesn't mean I am defending him... : |
Lemme convey something to you: When you contend that a person is making a sensible argument (I can only assume your comparison to real life treatment of ex-cons somehow translates to a comparable analysis with bw) you are in fact "siding" or "defending" their argument. Even if you say "I don't agree with it," The discussion can be divided as "us" (those that think hackers should burn) and "them" (those that think they deserve some sympathy).
Well, perhaps I should have more clearly articulated my position on the matter, knowing attack-dog-geoff will never pass up a chance to be a douchebag.
The community is and always has been very fickle about "sanctioning" hackers. Just think how many times Testie got caught and more or less got away with it, because he was good, and people were on his nuts. He's not the only case but one of the bigger ones, because he went on to prove that he is a legitimately good player.
So the point is this - if someone demonstrates that they are good enough to go to WCG regionals playing legitimately - in this case by recording FPVODs - is it still appropriate to sanction them for previous bad behavior in an event they've demonstrated legit play in? A 5 second youtube search finds this page: http://www.youtube.com/user/Zergie123 , which only shows a couple of videos - so I suppose there's an argument that he only recorded a couple of games and could have cheated in the others. But there is also the fact the games were played on ICCup AH, which is generally regarded as safe.
Anyway, I'm not defending hacking, I never have, and to suggest otherwise is simply idiotcontrol and his exceptional strawman powers. I have never indicated sympathy for those caught hacking. Hacking is not allowed for obvious well established reasons and being caught hacking should come with consequences.
I find Nony's comment about "professional sports" interesting because in the past I drew this same comparison in regard to behavior and conduct - and was told that I was full of shit, that it was irrelevant. It seems to me if we're going to be "sportsman" and call our hobby a "sport", then we should apply standards and rules to more than just "cheating".
This is not to say I disagree with Nony, because I actually do agree on this point, but I don't think it's a black and white issue. I'm not an expert on rules in baseball, say what happens if you're caught using a corked bat and how it's dealt with, but I find it unlikely a player's future is simply terminated the moment he is caught cheating and never given a chance to redeem himself. It doesn't make any sense.
Control, feel free to continue calling my behavior "scummy". Simple fact is, during the match, according to that admin, you cannot take an extended break without the other player's agreement. I had time constraints and had to leave very soon from where I was playing. Waiting 10 minutes to start a game would very likely mean having to leave during the game. Since G5 had been a complete asshole to me, I didn't see any reason to be agreeable. You can continue to bring this issue up and spin it in whatever way suits you every time I voice an opinion, but it's hardly relevant.
On August 04 2008 09:18 Xeris wrote: again, I was just stating what I thought Louder was saying ... I already said in my other post that I don't agree with what he said because I think they should be banned, at least for the time being.
just because I don't say "OMFG LOUDER YOUR SO CLEARLY WRONG" doesn't mean I am defending him... : |
Lemme convey something to you: When you contend that a person is making a sensible argument (I can only assume your comparison to real life treatment of ex-cons somehow translates to a comparable analysis with bw) you are in fact "siding" or "defending" their argument. Even if you say "I don't agree with it," The discussion can be divided as "us" (those that think hackers should burn) and "them" (those that think they deserve some sympathy).
I don't think it's as clear as "us" vs "them" ... lumping everything into two broad categories like that is just plain wrong, the world is not black and white. I never even said his post was sensible, I was just saying what I thought he was trying to say, because I felt like you misinterpreted his post. Again, just because I don't explicitly say "you are totally wrong and stupid and retarded for making that post" doesn't mean I am defending it. If you are debating or having an argument in a mature and logical manner, you can disagree without being disagreeable. You don't need to be offensive and insulting to the other party.
Think of it like me saying "Here's what I think he means, and now this is what I think (contrary to what I think he was saying)". That is NOT the same as me agreeing with him.
It wasn't a rule, it was a ruling from an admin that got half the story and made a decision without hearing the full case.. you being a part of that is fucking bullshit you cant paint it another way I'm sorry.
Lemme say this again cause you missed it:
1. Lastshadow had someone tell him shit on vent while WCG was being played. 2. Spades hacked in WCG| 3. There is a screen shot of dino talking about his ICCUP hack. He has hacked. And has lied about it. He put up SOME vods of the games he 2 gated.. not a great argument for why he should get Testie treatment.
Mister logician, please explain to me why Dino would offer to sell G5 a hack? Do you not realize just how little sense it makes? Someone who acts like a complete fucktard (ie G5) seems a less than credible source for screenshots. If Dino shares accounts as much as all the little kiddies in media do, it seems pretty reasonable that it wasn't even Dino on the account. Of course you will just attempt to marginalize these points by saying "omfg louder defending hacker", but that's not accurate at all - I'm simply stating the facts as I see them and asking again -
What's appropriate punishment? Legitimately winning a prelim a few months after being caught hacking... I don't quite see why he should be banned (unless it can be proven he cheated in the prelim, in which case he should be)
On August 04 2008 09:18 Xeris wrote: again, I was just stating what I thought Louder was saying ... I already said in my other post that I don't agree with what he said because I think they should be banned, at least for the time being.
just because I don't say "OMFG LOUDER YOUR SO CLEARLY WRONG" doesn't mean I am defending him... : |
Lemme convey something to you: When you contend that a person is making a sensible argument (I can only assume your comparison to real life treatment of ex-cons somehow translates to a comparable analysis with bw) you are in fact "siding" or "defending" their argument. Even if you say "I don't agree with it," The discussion can be divided as "us" (those that think hackers should burn) and "them" (those that think they deserve some sympathy).
I don't think it's as clear as "us" vs "them" ... lumping everything into two broad categories like that is just plain wrong, the world is not black and white. I never even said his post was sensible, I was just saying what I thought he was trying to say, because I felt like you misinterpreted his post. Again, just because I don't explicitly say "you are totally wrong and stupid and retarded for making that post" doesn't mean I am defending it. If you are debating or having an argument in a mature and logical manner, you can disagree without being disagreeable. You don't need to be offensive and insulting to the other party.
Think of it like me saying "Here's what I think he means, and now this is what I think (contrary to what I think he was saying)". That is NOT the same as me agreeing with him.
Xeris.. how the hell can you think that taking someone's argument and rewording it into a real-life example IS not a form of defense or aid? If someone is trying to convey something.. and evidently failing and someone else says "here, let me help you.." GUESS WHAT THEY ARE DOING? Here is a clue, it was hidden in the skit.. "HELP." woah.
On August 04 2008 10:00 Louder wrote: I wasn't talking about spades or lastshadow.
Mister logician, please explain to me why Dino would offer to sell G5 a hack? Do you not realize just how little sense it makes? Someone who acts like a complete fucktard (ie G5) seems a less than credible source for screenshots. If Dino shares accounts as much as all the little kiddies in media do, it seems pretty reasonable that it wasn't even Dino on the account. Of course you will just attempt to marginalize these points by saying "omfg louder defending hacker", but that's not accurate at all - I'm simply stating the facts as I see them and asking again -
What's appropriate punishment? Legitimately winning a prelim a few months after being caught hacking... I don't quite see why he should be banned (unless it can be proven he cheated in the prelim, in which case he should be)
oh appropriate punishment is people don't give him the benefit of the doubt. People think he hacks, there is a SS of him admitting as much (sure it could be faked but so could kennedy's assassination, maybe it was a body double? jesus) and he has lied continually about both so he cannot be trusted. So in the end we are left with a hacker who was caught several times, one time of which cost people money (estro tourney) and he has shady circumstances now in WCG. YOU tell ME why we should forego history and just assume he was legit cause the SS isn't the best of evidence and NOT MANY hacks are workable on ICCUP.. why would we go against what has proven to happen just for the fucking sake of helping out a former hacker?
"The sake of helping out a former hacker"... interesting that you say "former", almost like you're admitting he doesn't hack anymore. And it's hardly about "helping", it's about allowing a hacker the opportunity to prove himself. I don't recall Testie being overly honest about hacking either, but he got endless chances because he was friends with the right people and had enough nutsuckers to get by.
You will note that I said G5 is not trustworthy and that it's likely someone else could have been on that account. I didn't say the SS was forged. But once again you are demonstrating your complete inability to comprehend what you read, process it, form a logical opinion, and put that opinion into a worded response.
Also, I don't know the details of the estro thing, I just know he was "caught hacking" at some point in the last year or so and was not allowed to play in TSL as a result, and has admitted to hacking. I can't help but say that I feel like posting FPVODs of yourself is pretty compelling proof you aren't using a hack in the games in question. So even if one were to assume G5 posted a screenshot of Dino himself on that account, it proves he had a working ICCup hack, but not that he used it in WCG.
If the consensus based on his behavior would be that he shouldn't have been allowed to play, is it fair to ban him now that he DID play, and qualified legitimately (not on a smurf, but on his real ID)? Is it even sensible to ask this question knowing that your response will be fitting for a Bill O'Reilly talking point?
The entirity of your "ability" to argue is based on hyperbole and creating straw men. Do they not teach you about logical fallacies at the school at which you are a champion debater? Because the posts you make on this forum could be used as textbook examples on the subject.
1. Jumping on the word "former" and then blasting me for "strawmen" and "hyperboles" is fucking great. Let's add "nit-picking" as well ok? So now that you are a hypocrite in lecturing me on my debate skills WHICH I NEVER BRAG ABOUT I simply fucking compete in it, I don't care if people think I'm good or bad at it jesus fucking christ. I used the word "former" because I don't want to call him a "current" hacker since I don't associate myself with him and wouldn't presume to speak on something I don't currently know. He has hacked, that is all that needs to be discussed. Did he hack in WCG? Only he knows.. my argument (which you have been avoiding) is that he doesn't deserve our sympathy or "the benefit of the doubt" because of reasons I have stated now like 30 times that you seem to continually want to ignore.
2. You are trying hard to be a dick about my refusal to outright assume G5 is wrong. I have said numerous times even if G5 is wrong or the SS is fallible, it doesn't change the fact that I am not willing to tip the scales in favor of Dino just because.. well for no reason other than to be a swell guy I suppose. You haven't formally stated why he deserves reasonable doubt.
3. You blabber about the vods after stating you dont know much about the situation. Now I could stop there and agree with you, you don't know anything about this.. but I tihnk I will go ahead and AGAIN say what has been ignored by your very fucking blunt head: He posted fpvods of him 2 gating.. NOT all the replays. The games he won "bugged out" and didnt work. That in and of itself is fishy.. nevermind the play that was fishy as well.
4. You speak of logical fallicies yet you go ahead and make one here. You assert he competed and was legit the entire time. You don't know that. You are just asserting as much. And that assertion comes after you state you don't know all the facts, which adds hilarity to that post. Our argument is in fact that given history, the people involved and the circumstances it is MORE likely he is cheating than it is he somehow decided toplay legit (and win) for the first time in his bw gaming carreer.
5. This is just a personal attack which is catagorized as "ad hoc" and again, funny considering you are taking it upon yourself to lecture me on an activity I did that I never bragged about and simply participated in and was happy enough to share that fact with the community.
My bullet points are in direct correllation with your paragraphs. Please stop ignoring the arguments and respond directly as oppose to mixing personal attacks with repeat statements of asserted blind fact.
Control the personal attacks were in response to yours.
You are ignoring my initial point while you claim I ignore yours. I'm not discussing this from a standpoint of giving anyone the benefit of the doubt or giving them sympathy - I'm saying the evidence in the case of the WCG games is that he did record FPVODs, which would lead one to conclude he was not hacking in those games, which would mean he qualified legitimately.
So again I return to what I asked the first time I clarified my post... if he should be banned for having "hacked at some point in the past", at what point do we allow hackers to get a second chance or prove they can compete legitimately? I mentioned a very well known past case of someone (Testie) being caught hacking over and over and getting free passes almost every step of the way. Which leads me to wonder... if Dino was best buddies with the media crew and the TL admins, would his being caught hacking eliminate him from all future competition? Unlikely. So what is the standard here? Nony mentioned standards and consensus but there seems to be no such thing in regard to hacking in this game - your "punishment" has to do with who you know and how liked you are as a person.
See I was actually trying to have a discussion, I asked for this discussion against my better judgement having already witnessed your determination to rabidly attack my every word and make personal attacks. The fact I responded in kind should in no way give you a sense of supriority.
I've been advised by an admin that we are all to "cut it out", so unless you want to actually have a conversation about the subject, why respond at all?
btw the SS of dino was between Machine and Dino (used to be friends) who talk on the phone etc.. he knows its dino 100% and it was NOT g5 that got the SS so you can discount your conspiracy theory that everything g5 says is a lie.
1) Louder thinks that although hacking is bad, hackers should be allowed a chance to prove themselves to be able to play legitimately, etc.
2) Inc thinks that hackers like Dino (who show no qualms about having hacked in the past) should be outcast from the community and be treated like scum.
There are two different opinions, there isn't a right or wrong answer here. Let's either discuss this from a theoretical standpoint, or just drop it - everyone is going to have different views on how to treat ex-hackers ...
ohh yea btw for u guys who kept saying g5 wasent a reliable source for the ss he was talking to me and not eric, me and dino use to be good friends until i found out all he does was hack and take money from people and heres the pics
and he admits all the time that he hacks, its not like these are they only two incedents that he said he hacks in. If your his friend he will openly admit he loves to hack and its the only way to play, and he had admitted many times he hacked at the wcg online prelim vs geoff.
I truely also believe all ex-hackers are scum and should not be allowed to play in anything ever again, they had their shot. its not like its hard to keep from hacking or anything and as for dino he HACKED IN A TOURNAMENT TO GO TO KOREA AND KNOCKED OUT GOOD PLAYERS LIKE XIAOZI AND STOLE THEIR MONEY. try defending that
On August 04 2008 13:05 Xeris wrote: Here's the deal:
1) Louder thinks that although hacking is bad, hackers should be allowed a chance to prove themselves to be able to play legitimately, etc.
2) Inc thinks that hackers like Dino (who show no qualms about having hacked in the past) should be outcast from the community and be treated like scum.
There are two different opinions, there isn't a right or wrong answer here. Let's either discuss this from a theoretical standpoint, or just drop it - everyone is going to have different views on how to treat ex-hackers ...
yup
Except I have arguments stating Dino hacked in the very tourney that Louder is asserting he didn't hack because he heard he posted some fpvods. Louders ignorance coupled with his inability to accept that Dino probably hacked in WCG makes for a pretty empty argument on the behalf of a guy who (unlike testie) has done NOTHING to ask for forgiveness or work towards peace with the community. He laughed about it and admits it daily.
Fucking sick. But what is sicker is people can NOT hate a guy like that.
I said I didn't know about the "estro" think, not that I didn't know about the VODs. What more proof could you want beyond playing on the best known AH and making VODs? Many people without dual core or better can't make decent FPVODs without problems so having some not work is not exactly a red flag .. I've used Camtasia for years and seen it do a lot of really strange shit.
Anywho, what Bryce just said is the first I've ever heard about him admitting to hack vs Geoff in WCG. If that's the case obviously he should be banned. And I have to agree that the individual behavior, beyond being caught hacking, should be relevant, however... you yourself, Geoff, have said that manner doesn't matter and all that matters is that the "best player" advances. So it seems like you need to decide - if manner only matters if you're caught hacking, why should it matter at all?
Anyway, I think hackers should be banned if they're caught in an event, and banned from all events for some set amount of time, but I don't see any reason not to allow them the opportunity to redeem themselves.
No I don't have to decide.. he behavior you speak of? Not exactly dropping a few eff bombs or some shit.. it's hacking, abusing, smurfing and generally being a thorn in the side of the community. G5's "manner" and IdrA's "manner" can be discussed as sources of agony or hilarity but Dino's "manner" got brought up by you and nobody else. I don't give a fuck if he talks shit or flames or w/e.. I care that he generally has NO regard for anyone but himself (ie hacking abusing etc).
If the "manner" shit you are referring to is him laughing about it that was in response to your argument that he deserves a second chance. He doesn't deserve a second chance until he fucking asks for it, don't spoon feed an alligator, you'll get bitten.
You know despite WCG USA being the same shit-fest it is every year, I like our chances of fielding a more competent SC player than Canada will this year! Yeah what a low blow... but it's America so deal with it.YEAH! AMERICA! FUCK YEAH!
All three games he posted were wins. 2-0 vs G5 and 1 of his wins vs you.
And again inc, Dino asked you to re because camtasia was fucking up for him on peaks. You said that you trusted him and just wanted to play. It's obvious you thought you were going to rape the shit out of Dino since he would be without hacks and the game would be on iccup. Otherwise, you would have simply just let Dino remake the game so he can post all the fpvods.
Dino only lost 1 game in WCG and it was to you, inc. Bringing all of this up now is utterly retarded. After you loudly proclaimed you wanted to break his arm at wcg and expose him as some noob hacker by crushing him. What changed? Do you now think he isn't as terrible as you first thought and that maybe if Dino showed up to WCG you and your friends wouldn't be able to hold hands at WCG USA finals?
nothing changed.. ask anyone that knows me my story has been pretty much the same. And I didn't re sure, but that is hardly an argument that I trust him and he isn't a hacker. It also doesn't help he later would discuss his hacking with Machine and offer to sell it.
Dino stole money from my friends in the estro tourney. Was he sorry? Nope, he laughed about it. Has he tried to explain himself? Ask for forgiveness? Absolutely not, he has continued to hack and smurf and be a general pain in the ass.. why he has lil goonies like you posting on forums hes banned from boggles my mind.
On August 04 2008 16:58 {88}iNcontroL wrote: nothing changed.. ask anyone that knows me my story has been pretty much the same. And I didn't re sure, but that is hardly an argument that I trust him and he isn't a hacker. It also doesn't help he later would discuss his hacking with Machine and offer to sell it.
Dino stole money from my friends in the estro tourney. Was he sorry? Nope, he laughed about it. Has he tried to explain himself? Ask for forgiveness? Absolutely not, he has continued to hack and smurf and be a general pain in the ass.. why he has lil goonies like you posting on forums hes banned from boggles my mind.
Dino told me he was playing you in qualifier and told me to come over and watch the rape. I didn't believe him at all and said I'd give him beer money if he won. I watched the games from his apartment while he crushed you and the same goes for G5.
You keep claiming Dino has an ICCup hack. If you're talking about jf/xiaozi after losing on iccup with ah on I dont' know what to tell you. He doesn't have an iccup hack and didn't cheat them out of money. The fact that you're still stuck on this nonsense that he has an iccup working hacking is fucking retarded. It's understandable why he thinks you're a fucking joke and just laughs in your face all the time. It's also even easier to understand why he doesn't ask for your forgiveness because he is tired of explaining shit over and over with you just saying the same stupid shit over and over. You continue to accuse him of shit you have absolutely no proof for because there just isn't proof. The first ss taken by Machine was to done on purpose to see if Machine was trolling the channel. IntrA.KingDino isn't Dino and I've already said that.
Btw i dont understand the "selling" of the hack, its like "i dont need it anymore" like the hack was some device that was standing next to the computer doing its thing ;D not like he wouldnt still have it after he sold it.
Pretty strong quali @ wcg usa this year with yosh being back and hot also
On August 04 2008 17:27 TreK wrote: Btw i dont understand the "selling" of the hack, its like "i dont need it anymore" like the hack was some device that was standing next to the computer doing its thing ;D not like he wouldnt still have it after he sold it.
Pretty strong quali @ wcg usa this year with yosh being back and hot also
Hi TreK,
That screenshot isn't actually Dino ^_^;; It's what I've been trying to point out to inc for almost 2 months now
man I honestly have to say my impression is that every single person involved in this has gotten what they have coming cept possibly dino, but he probably will.
trek the hack isn't one for mass download it was a private hack hence his ability to almost legitly offer to sell it.
Daranee: I had no idea Dino actually never hacked and is a victim of my shenanigans. Shit, that must really blow for him. Well thank Voytek you were here to clear that up. I feel really bad now that dino is banned from wcg Really.. really bad..
Thats really fucking gay if dino is banned from wcg usa...... we have a bunch of sore losers here, I mean if everyone was so sure he hacked to qualify, then hed get raped in regionals yes? I think he would of beat everyone there ....... now he doesnt get to play wtf...
Where do you people come from, what the hell makes you want dino to take up someones spot in wcg. Ok lets say he shows up, dosent really know how to play without a hack, and everyone 2-0's him, then what. Me and geoff get to say "i told you so' where another player never even gets to prove himself, and for those of you who keep saying its not dino and the screen shot is faked or whatever i can 100% guarantee its not. Me and dino use to be really really good friends untili found out he hacked. Those are two of his accounts, and just by saying "hat screenshot isn't actually Dino ^_^;; It's what I've been trying to point out to inc for almost 2 months now" what the hell do you think your proving? Thats like saying "no the earth is flat" ohh ok fuck good thing we know that now.
dude, what if he shows up and doesn't get 2-0'd by everyone, then what? I get to say "i told you so" Your analogy is perhaps the worst attempt at proving ones point. I can't believe I'm going to have to post a screenshot with KingDino[clantag] asking you if you wanted to buy a hack. You were creeping in a channel and Dino knew it. And how the fuck would you know that IntrA.KingDino is Dino? To be honest you really don't know anything about him than your own preconceived notions. Btw, you only knew Dino through battle.net and just because you think you know someone online doesn't mean shit.
ya no matter what happened he was CAUGHT HACKING 100% IN A TOURNAMENT TO GO TO KOREA AND TOOK OTHER PEOPLES MONEY? DEFEND THAT. Say i took 500$ from you then said i wont take any more money, just trust me. rofl?????
Daranee fuck em dude. These guys just don't know Dino like you do. Nobody understands the artist that is Dino. Whatever you know? The best player in USA will forever go down as the most misunderstood.. fucking despicable. Someday! SOMEDAY! He will rise again with perfect probe splits and mbs.. he will show you guys that despite knowing your build and army movement while being aided by aprogram he is still the best player in the USA...
ohh and i almost forgot, lets not forget the brood war forever tournament that he won and was caught hacking in as well, their is some more money he stole from people.
honestly , I doubt he hacks or anything, I just think he's a bit of a strange person. And plus, his parents most likely took bw away from him again.
it's kinda like a cycle with him... he plays 20 hours a day for about a month, his parents get pissed and take BW away... then 1-2 month later, he gets it back and plays like crazy again, and his parents take it away ...
I've known him for like 2 years now and it's happened 3 times now iirc.
this thread reeks of sarcasim. I really am cool with dino but I'd be mad if he took money from me in tournies due to hacking. But that is the past and if he really can win w/o hacks I think he should atleast get a shot. I've seen him get two a level accounts on iccup last season so he really cant be that terrible, but I can understand why people hold grudges but I just wish they'd let him atleast try to prove himself. Because unlike any other of these hackers, he is actually good w/o them
As I would've thought it looks like I definitely can't participate in the North Qualifier.
"Jonathan, I have run this by the “higher-ups” and it seems as if they will not allow anyone else to play online, last minute. Sorry for the inconvenience."
On August 06 2008 12:37 Jonoman92 wrote: As I would've thought it looks like I definitely can't participate in the North Qualifier.
"Jonathan, I have run this by the “higher-ups” and it seems as if they will not allow anyone else to play online, last minute. Sorry for the inconvenience."
I find it amazing that they are letting Idra play online, not that he needs to but whats to stop him from having a korean play.
If they are going to let people play online why even have these retarded qualifiers?
i was somewhat confident about chosen not going to wcg and it didn't happen he wasn't caught but in my eyes he's much worse of a person then Dino is. No idea why, just feelings. He always had that scumbag aura around himself.
sadist, greg really dosent need a korean to play for him, and i can understand why they let him play online, because he is in korea now and would be a HUGE inconvienence to have him fly to the states to play some qualifier everyone knows hes going to win
IdrA is playing against a guy who plays with him daily. If greg is dumb enough (he isn't) to use a korean it will be found out EASY and greg will be banned from everything. He wouldn't do it.
On August 06 2008 13:10 iakNab wrote: i was somewhat confident about chosen not going to wcg and it didn't happen he wasn't caught but in my eyes he's much worse of a person then Dino is. No idea why, just feelings. He always had that scumbag aura around himself.
Well I know he smurfed for NrG vs me in yankee league first season and the whole week before we played they told me he'd be a terran player. Then in game lobby he goes Z and says, "oh yea i'm offracing." I mean c'mon...
On August 06 2008 13:10 iakNab wrote: i was somewhat confident about chosen not going to wcg and it didn't happen he wasn't caught but in my eyes he's much worse of a person then Dino is. No idea why, just feelings. He always had that scumbag aura around himself.
On August 05 2008 16:24 Xeris wrote: honestly , I doubt he hacks or anything, I just think he's a bit of a strange person. And plus, his parents most likely took bw away from him again.
it's kinda like a cycle with him... he plays 20 hours a day for about a month, his parents get pissed and take BW away... then 1-2 month later, he gets it back and plays like crazy again, and his parents take it away ...
I've known him for like 2 years now and it's happened 3 times now iirc.
3 times in 2 years and 2 times in 5 months, both happening immediately before 1. an offline tournament and 2. a tournament with an undisclosed antihack?
I agree with Sadist in general, but I think in this case, it's not really relevant. Idra has been in Korea long enough that it's more or less an impossibility for him not to go to the grand finals for the US. This isn't like Dudey or Assem getting pros to play in tourneys that they could never win on their own back in the day.
Of course, I will have my fingers crossed for Idra to get trashed at the US finals and have his ego put in check.
On August 07 2008 05:01 Xeris wrote: hum how would it work if there's a 3 man, a round robin ?;p
Everyone wins a trip to LA except one loser. That person loses a butt load of money and the shame of not getting a prize in a tourney that pays 2/3 of the participants.
On August 06 2008 13:50 Machine[USA] wrote: sadist, greg really dosent need a korean to play for him, and i can understand why they let him play online, because he is in korea now and would be a HUGE inconvienence to have him fly to the states to play some qualifier everyone knows hes going to win
I know he doesnt need anyone to play for him.
And I know it would suck for him to have to fly back and it would be a huge waste of money, but its a waste of money for just about everyone who has to travel. If they arent going to enforce something like this its retarded to even require it.
looks to me on the screenshots like he simply wants to act like a retard and annoy machine since he knows that machine hates hacking. If he recorded games of his games and got denied to remake cause of camtasia bug then i'd say it sucks for him, if he has no skills offline he would have wasted his cash to pay for the trip and you guys would have "stolen" his money, :|
but meh i dont care may the best american go to wcg etc~!
Oh and cant understand how you guys passed up the possibility to tell lastshadlol in person about what you guys think about his plots and schemes ;S
he probbaly would not have shown anyways, just about every hacker that has ever shown up offline has been seriously raped and regretted coming in the first place
I don't see the problem if Dino is going to go and no one else is willing to pay for the trip. If he is as bad as everyone thinks, then no one should really care?
On August 10 2008 06:58 SCC-Faust wrote: I don't see the problem if Dino is going to go and no one else is willing to pay for the trip. If he is as bad as everyone thinks, then no one should really care?
I agree. Who cares who comes. If a space is available might as well have it filled so we can have some better matches.
I was third place in the lastshadow, nesh south qualifier but ive been inactive and wouldn't waste a spot for someone who really wants it, hope someone good gets picked and wouldnt mind if it was fellow nrg ranged
Yo look Nesh and Dino for the fuckin WIN and wtf G5 from what a recall not even a year ago you were POWERHATING on David b/c he hacked and now he's going all out b/c of the training I gave him and your trying to ban him??? Man I played this many times while he is hacking and trust me.....You gotta be pro at multi-tasking to rape him....Its not easy but its not like playing a korean pro.....
On August 10 2008 11:02 Kennelie wrote: Yo look Nesh and Dino for the fuckin WIN and wtf G5 from what a recall not even a year ago you were POWERHATING on David b/c he hacked and now he's going all out b/c of the training I gave him and your trying to ban him??? Man I played this many times while he is hacking and trust me.....You gotta be pro at multi-tasking to rape him....Its not easy but its not like playing a korean pro.....
can we get a translation from someone please? I saw G5 in there and would like to know what he said. thx~
P.S. this is what his public profile says "Well for the moment I'll put a lil bit of my SC history. I been playing this game since I was 12/13 and for the time being I am currently 22 years old. I started in 1998 when the game was released and retired for 4 years after 4 years of gaming (quit playing in 2001 for high school activities). I did not acknowledge that pro gaming blew up so much for Starcraft:Brood War during 2001 or the following years during my retirement. I returned in 2005 and currently am waiting patiently for SC2 so I can start all over with my skills. Retiring for 4 years can really take a toll on your gaming especially since I had quit the game right when replays really came into use for this game. But ahhh well I am glad to be here and will have fun times."
This just adds to the mystery of what he is trying to say.
On August 10 2008 11:02 Kennelie wrote: Yo look Nesh and Dino for the fuckin WIN and wtf G5 from what a recall not even a year ago you were POWERHATING on David b/c he hacked and now he's going all out b/c of the training I gave him and your trying to ban him??? Man I played this many times while he is hacking and trust me.....You gotta be pro at multi-tasking to rape him....Its not easy but its not like playing a korean pro.....
1. who in gods name are you 2. what in gods name are you trying to say
Look im so old school I would tell you stories you would want replays to......To bad, when I was I playing their was no replays to be saved......My grammar is out of whack btw.......
On August 10 2008 15:11 Kennelie wrote: Look im so old school I would tell you stories you would want replays to......To bad, when I was I playing their was no replays to be saved......My grammar is out of whack btw.......
Yeah uh... I'd say a large number of people on TL.NET are "so old school they played when there were no replays". This does not make you any more coherent :D
On August 10 2008 15:11 Kennelie wrote: Look im so old school I would tell you stories you would want replays to......To bad, when I was I playing their was no replays to be saved......My grammar is out of whack btw.......
it isn't your fault, maybe you were raised in oakland where they teach ebonics
On August 10 2008 15:11 Kennelie wrote: Look im so old school I would tell you stories you would want replays to......To bad, when I was I playing their was no replays to be saved......My grammar is out of whack btw.......
your so old school you didn't actually go to school at all ? ~~
On August 07 2008 05:01 Xeris wrote: hum how would it work if there's a 3 man, a round robin ?;p
Everyone wins a trip to LA except one loser. That person loses a butt load of money and the shame of not getting a prize in a tourney that pays 2/3 of the participants.
First map was Troy... LZ off raced and I got ahead with fast expo and matched his 4 gate counter PvP.... second map was Blue Storm, LZ went overpool speedlings so his expo hatch was late-ish, where I went 2 cannons then main cannon before nexus, and his lings did no damage and my expo was still up pretty fast. I was able to get ahead by quickly taking my 2nd and getting reavers with my army and was just able to force LZ to fight me in positions there were bad for him and good for reavers. It was a good game, but it did not seem like he was at his best.
Was cool to meet everyone, always nice to put faces with names. Seeing teamliquid.net shirt in person was pretty good :D lol
I am sure anyone would be disappointed after spending that much time and cash for a trip. I would've been disappointed to lose, though I went with the expectation that I would -_-
I can't wait to see what happens in the Pacific next week :O
In our game my 9 overpool speedling killed about 8 probes, that's why I think you thought my macro was better that game... although you had 200/200 when I was 130/200 that game but you kept wasting units -_- Guess I must have been lucky in getting my lings through, unlike Lzgamer (poor guy )
Btw Louder, since you were in the Pacific Regional qualifiers but you didn't go to Pacific instead you went to South... so basically you can participate in all qualifiers until you qualify (regardless of your location)?
man pacific regional is by far the one thats most up in the air. We have Yosh who at the moment is a BEAST he beat paranoid 8-1 the other day and infernal 7-1. We have G5 a crazy viking protoss who eats small children for breakfast and easily has the best pvt in usa. We have Dino a hacker who no one knows anything about who has an abuse record to B+ but plays semi pro kors all nite. and we have Geoff who only wins when hes not suppost to and has probbaly the best zvp and zvz in usa atm. This regional is going to be the most fun BY FAR. anything can litterally happen and no one would really be surprised about it. Of course im hopeing G5/Incontrol make it and they both have a good chance but they have two very tuff opponents. Actually im not really sure about dino we will just have to see then, he could just choke cuz hes only played one other lan and he lost to eric and evade ><
I definitely think we will see some really good games, and Bryce is right it's really up in the air. Everybody attending is really high skilled (you can make your argument about Dino, but he's good hack or no hack). I think it'll come down to who can play the best under pressure / playing live in front of people, since everybody's skill is very equal at this LAN.
It sucks that they all had to be in the same qualifier. I think pretty much all of those players deserve to go to the finals.
However, Yosh vs G5 are going to make some amazing games I think. If there is no pics/vids/replays people will die. South coverage was very good (Although I don't think anyone has the replays... but pictures are always welcomed! :D)
pacific is the hardest prelim in usa bar none. G5/Yosh are contenders for #1 USA and would be up there in any other country except Korea/China as well. Dino is a faggot hacker but he plays protoss and thus is a threat for anyone. I happen to win some games from time to time as well.. we shall see!
On August 14 2008 05:24 {88}iNcontroL wrote: thats fine nero you've always been pretty damn retarded when it comes to bw.. should only get worse now that you've been away from it for over a year.
ya ur right in regards to i have no clue wuts going on in bw now adays.im still wanting dino to win cus in rooting for dino im just rooting against u n G5.
On August 14 2008 05:24 {88}iNcontroL wrote: thats fine nero you've always been pretty damn retarded when it comes to bw.. should only get worse now that you've been away from it for over a year.
ya ur right in regards to i have no clue wuts going on in bw now adays.im still wanting dino to win cus in rooting for dino im just rooting against u n G5.
You can root against whoever you want. You are _always_ fucking wrong so I'd hope you'd root against G5/Me... that bodes well for us. Continue to support the art hackers!
So with Yosh/G5 joining this list and 2 more coming up it means wcg US is like 10 players? What the fucking weird system is that? 2 Groups then top2 of each goes to play Finals? Weird!