I spent about 3 years in the community and i realized one very important thing. It is not about getting laid but about being happy. You can be with so many girls but you need a goal and for me was that all about getting a nice girl and a family.
I am not saying that the PUA community is bad but it has so many wrong turns and it is not easy to be in that community if you dont have a good guide. And at the same time i think the PUA community is so good for some guys that needs experience..
And all the technicks and gimmicks is kinda bad imho, when you know how to shag a girl right you dont need all that, just have fun, playful and be sexual... still is it that good to shag 4 new girls each week ?
On October 14 2011 04:37 Rubix Cube wrote: Jesus Christ you guys are nerds - the kind who would probably plan school shootings because of your scary, obsessive behaviour. Think about it. If you met a girl and showed her the shit you're posting here, how do you think she'd react? That's right, she'd think you're a fucking creep. Why the hell would I post pics of me and my girlfriend for you to 'analyse' with your 'pick-up' theories. As I said - most of us don't need to see women as objects to get laid, believe it or not, but given your level of negativity and defensiveness you've made it abundantly clear your mind is made up about the subject (probably from the shitty experiences you've had in the past with women).
On October 14 2011 05:28 Rubix Cube wrote: I see you're doing your try-hard attempt at being 'cocky and funny'. And for the record, I'd be interested to see if SC can post a picture of him with a good looking white girl, because banging some low-grade Thai/Columbian ex-prostitute/slappers is nothing to be bragging about, anyone can do that.
lol
On October 14 2011 05:28 Rubix Cube wrote: Girls are not a different species. The more you think that getting a girl is some sort of formula or test, the less likely you're going to succeed. It's like getting a bank loan. You get one when you show that you don't need one
On October 13 2011 19:42 Kukaracha wrote: No, no, what is sad is the anglo-saxon - or more likely, American - way to look at such things.
For example, psychology is a bullshit "science". My GF studied it, I wanted to study there too, but seeing her classes and how pathetic most of her teachers were, I lost interest, and she switched to sociology.
Why? Because a huge branch of contemporary psychology tries to reduce humans - erratic, random, complex unkown beings - to simple patterns of behaviour.
I don't really know anything about the PUA community and have never posted in this thread, but I can assure you that, as sad as you may be to hear it, humans do indeed have fairly simple patterns and behavior, no matter how much you think they don't. For example, I could tell you were from western Europe without even looking at your location next to your name, just from the anti-American line you cleverly tried to slip in there.
Oh my, a smart one you sure are! Sadly, seeing that I'm European is 1) visible on my posts and 2) a sociological matter and 3)you actually PROVED my point by using your intuition instead of bullshit psychology personnality tests or Myers Briggs theory or whatever crap they can sell to gullible people. People ARE complex because even though you might actually guess if someone is insecure or not, happy or not, it's just one atom on the tip of the iceberg.
Beg-> Then PUA is just a weird term to say "cool, handsome guy".
Kukaracha, if pickup didn't work, then why did I get laid with more women in the last 4 months, than you have in the rest of your entire life? Before I started, I had been with 2 women.
After doing pickup, why do I have a better physique, better smile, better street smarts, better conversation skills, better humor, better fashion than you? From a girls perspective, she can't tell the difference between me or some good looking Abercrombie guy whos always been good with women. I not only dress like one, but I also have the body of one, act like one and talk like one. The only difference is I have a conscious understanding of game where as the Abercrombie guy just goes with the flow. He gets the girl when the girl already likes him and the settings are favorable. I get the girls that don't even like me, and all the other odds are against me. Proof is in the picture. I bet if you met me in the club, you would have no idea that I am a pickup artist, and then poof, I am walking out with your female friend hahaha. Its true that pickup is more than a few lines. Its getting better at ALL areas. Its taking comedy classes, its taking fashion classes, its making friends with cool hobbies, its traveling to interesting places, its working out, its getting a great life style. Its a LOT of fucking work. Its essentially being the best you can be, but bottom line is you still have to talk to girls . Can't avoid that.
Just because pick up is real and can be learned, doesn't mean everyone will succeed just like the protein and workout books exist but not everyone will have a great body. Pick up is there so that the 5% who are dedicated and have potential will succeed. I am one of that 5%, quite frankly, the other 95% will fail just like they fail at everything else in life. You would be lucky to find 1 guy who reads pickup material actually going out to the clubs and approach at least 10 girls a night. 1 out of 20 is a huge over estimation. I'll be honest, I am fortunate to have a friend who is one of the best pick up gurus on the planet. Without him, I wouldn't be here.
Just curious on your stats, being a competative weightlifter myself, where are you main lifts at?
On October 14 2011 04:58 Pillage wrote: This isn't about justifying game to trolls and whipped softies, its about helping fellow TL members become better at interacting with girls.
Ha! Speaking for the apparently "whipped softies" of TL, every time I see this thread pop up on the sidebar I feel like I need to take a shower.
I don't know how you guys managed to convince yourselves that this any is different than those creepy seduction communities, but I'm duly impressed. I mean, to each his own, I don't really have a problem with the general mindset of this thread's proponents, but it's a little silly to delude yourself as to what you're actually doing. Look at squattincassanova's post a few entries up. It literally just says "I've learned how to pretend to have a personality so a large number of girls will want to sleep with me and therefore I'm better than you". I'm glad he's happy with new self, but let's be real, this whole thing is ludicrously superficial. There's a lot more to life than getting random ass, especially if you have to forcibly remake yourself into an arrogant hypermasculine Ken doll to do so.
Judging from what I've read in this thread, if I said "so basically you're just trying to share tips on how to convince all the bitches to come home with you?", you'd say "oh no, it's not like that at all, we're trying to share tips on how to come across as fucking awesome -- because then all the bitches want to come home with us."... Oh, I see, that's so much better. o.O
Obviously being outgoing, confident, and at least somewhat interesting is something people find attractive. That's not a secret. But why not just be those things, instead of coming up with complicated regimens and mental gymnastics to train yourself to appear those things? I just think there's a real danger in taking this too far.
I think that is where you are mistaken. He is those things now not acting to be them. I mean I admit when I first started reading this thread I did think squattin came off as a douche haha. But the more I read it the more I realize he is just happy at what he has now. And its obvious he put a ton of work in. I'd be happy too lol.
I still don't get why people are so offended by this. If someone said you won't be successful with woman the way you are now. And told you to change your lifestyle.. start working out, go travel, go make some friends, go do some fun activities take a dance class or comedy class or whatever.There would be no problem. You would call it solid obvious advice.
But when a PUA suggest these things to someone all of a sudden he is evil and pathetic. He is a fake manipulator who pretends to do shit to get laid.He's a terrible person. He thinks woman are objects. He will never find a real girl doing shit like that etc etc etc
And then they give the shittiest advice ever.. Oh be your self you dont have to do shit to get woman if you just show them the real you( However shitty that you is) They will just fall in love with you. I do think there are a lot of guys in PUA community that are probably assholes and just in it to try to sleep with as many woman as possible.(Which I'm still not even sure is wrong. I'm not a PUA and I want to sleep with many girls? Is that really that bad of a thing lol) But I still think the big message that PUA is trying to teach everyone is in order to get girls improve yourself. And there shouldn't be anything wrong with that at all.
On October 14 2011 06:15 decafchicken wrote: God this PUA shit seems like a ton of work lol.
In some ways it can be, but in a lot of ways it isn't. You are living the same life you are now, just spending your time on different areas. Everything you want in life can be "a lot of work", but if you have a blast doing it it's no big deal. Make the "PUA" journey fun instead of a chore and it won't seem like work at all, just you living a badass life.
On October 14 2011 06:15 decafchicken wrote: God this PUA shit seems like a ton of work lol.
In some ways it can be, but in a lot of ways it isn't. You are living the same life you are now, just spending your time on different areas. Everything you want in life can be "a lot of work", but if you have a blast doing it it's no big deal. Make the "PUA" journey fun instead of a chore and it won't seem like work at all, just you living a badass life.
A couple of days ago went down to a football game, went try to pick up a at least a 9 and she pays close attention to politics. Then as I arrived at the seduction stage, I can't go on anymore. My mind was fried from constant thoughts in my head such as "I have to qualify now. Okay focus less on her eyes, move away to see the game. Alright now try not leaning in. She said something vulnearable, turn off my poker face for a few second to show empathy and etc, etc etc....". After that, I had to head straight home to get myself a cold shower to cool off.
One of the worst feeling ever, never have been in life I have ever felt that sudden blank and ringing noise and I take care of my sleep pattern methodically. Now I am at this stage of life where I am trying to equalize myself again. Game have already dubbed me as a "d-bag" by one of my best friend, good thing that its the weekend.....
On October 14 2011 04:58 Pillage wrote: This isn't about justifying game to trolls and whipped softies, its about helping fellow TL members become better at interacting with girls.
Ha! Speaking for the apparently "whipped softies" of TL, every time I see this thread pop up on the sidebar I feel like I need to take a shower.
I don't know how you guys managed to convince yourselves that this any is different than those creepy seduction communities, but I'm duly impressed. I mean, to each his own, I don't really have a problem with the general mindset of this thread's proponents, but it's a little silly to delude yourself as to what you're actually doing. Look at squattincassanova's post a few entries up. It literally just says "I've learned how to pretend to have a personality so a large number of girls will want to sleep with me and therefore I'm better than you". I'm glad he's happy with new self, but let's be real, this whole thing is ludicrously superficial. There's a lot more to life than getting random ass, especially if you have to forcibly remake yourself into an arrogant hypermasculine Ken doll to do so.
Judging from what I've read in this thread, if I said "so basically you're just trying to share tips on how to convince all the bitches to come home with you?", you'd say "oh no, it's not like that at all, we're trying to share tips on how to come across as fucking awesome -- because then all the bitches want to come home with us."... Oh, I see, that's so much better. o.O
Obviously being outgoing, confident, and at least somewhat interesting is something people find attractive. That's not a secret. But why not just be those things, instead of coming up with complicated regimens and mental gymnastics to train yourself to appear those things? I just think there's a real danger in taking this too far.
Damn. U called me out. On the weekdays. I live in my moms basement and play WoW with my pimply face and doritos. Then on the weekend I put on my pick up hat and go to the clubs and button push girls. Some how it just blinds their mind from my ultra button combo and end up coming home to my lair.
On October 13 2011 11:45 Colbert wrote: Yo squattin. what do you think of nick hoss?
Ugghh I wish he elaborated a little more on his qualifications. This is the part of my game that needs improving. I do fine with disqualifications / feigning disinterest / dealing with shit-tests, but trying to slip in a positive remark without making it a compliment is a tricky proposition. I personally don't like handing out (overt) compliments, they pedestal too much for my liking.
Ugghh I wish he elaborated a little more on his qualifications. This is the part of my game that needs improving. I do fine with disqualifications / feigning disinterest / dealing with shit-tests, but trying to slip in a positive remark without making it a compliment is a tricky proposition. I personally don't like handing out (overt) compliments, they pedestal too much for my liking.
Don't try to straight up compliment, say that your punchline is something like "is that space pants because your butt is out of the world", try to transition into it. Now that's not my style to go for the space pants line so I will give you another example of transition. If you want to compliment, lets say her fashion sense but not overdo it by saying "You look hawt in that dress.", say something like "what an interesting sense of fashion" and then providing to describe the dress until you made it comfortable enough to deliver the line. The trick is to slowly build up the tension depend on the time restriction/location.
Been following this topic for a while - I lurk a hell of a lot more than I post on TL. I've also read a decent amount of this pickup stuff, and on a semi-regular basis, while I am out talking to people and making friends in any given situation I'll have the active thought to incorporate something pickup related. I wouldn't call myself someone who "practices" or even say that I have specific goals with pickup, but it sure as hell is nice to be able to talk to people, and get them enjoying it.
I think the number one takeaway is the mindset here. If you're actually able to convince yourself that you are the prize; that you are screening girls for being good enough, that you're approaching with the mindset of "I want to have some fun RIGHT NOW, and I am the guy to make it happen" rather than some sack-less nerd, you're going to have some degree of success. I find if I can spark a five minute, interesting conversation at meeting, assume that a girl likes me, and let things build "naturally" (which I might add, only comes from doing it ten thousand times) I'm going to get what I want out of the interaction nine out of ten times.
Now deciding how far I want to go, and actually going for it? That's quite the kicker. I'm usually a very strong willed and decisive person, but this is the one area of my life I fail in. I actually don't escalate fast enough for a lot of girls, because that's not where my mind is at right away. Maybe I should get my testosterone checked =/.
Mindset is part of it. Action is the other part. You can think you are the pimp but if you are home playing WoW all day, you wont fundamentally change. Mindset is encouragement to go out, it helps you long term, but you still have to make the same mistakes and you will still have to learn the same thing from a technical perspective. What distinguishes success is mainly based on what you are doing that everyone else is not doing. I have gone out every single week, every friday and every saturday for the past 10 months except when I had day 2s lined up.
Ugghh I wish he elaborated a little more on his qualifications. This is the part of my game that needs improving. I do fine with disqualifications / feigning disinterest / dealing with shit-tests, but trying to slip in a positive remark without making it a compliment is a tricky proposition. I personally don't like handing out (overt) compliments, they pedestal too much for my liking.
Well the odd overt compliment wouldn't hurt. As long as you don't keep throwing them out and start stepping into sycophant territory.
On October 19 2011 20:27 squattincassanova wrote: Mindset is part of it. Action is the other part. You can think you are the pimp but if you are home playing WoW all day, you wont fundamentally change. Mindset is encouragement to go out, it helps you long term, but you still have to make the same mistakes and you will still have to learn the same thing from a technical perspective. What distinguishes success is mainly based on what you are doing that everyone else is not doing. I have gone out every single week, every friday and every saturday for the past 10 months except when I had day 2s lined up.
The right mindset is hard to attain. When I lived in Miami I hung out with some motivated wingmen. Then it was easy to go out every Friday and Saturday night and approach every 7 and up. I moved to New York a year ago and have since been struggling to get in the right mindset. I'm only 27 and I don't have the motivation to go out by myself like I used to. A few days ago I joined a few PUA groups on meetup.com to find a wingman, hopefully someone like you heeds the call.
On October 19 2011 20:27 squattincassanova wrote: Mindset is part of it. Action is the other part. You can think you are the pimp but if you are home playing WoW all day, you wont fundamentally change. Mindset is encouragement to go out, it helps you long term, but you still have to make the same mistakes and you will still have to learn the same thing from a technical perspective. What distinguishes success is mainly based on what you are doing that everyone else is not doing. I have gone out every single week, every friday and every saturday for the past 10 months except when I had day 2s lined up.
The right mindset is hard to attain. When I lived in Miami I hung out with some motivated wingmen. Then it was easy to go out every Friday and Saturday night and approach every 7 and up. I moved to New York a year ago and have since been struggling to get in the right mindset. I'm only 27 and I don't have the motivation to go out by myself like I used to. A few days ago I joined a few PUA groups on meetup.com to find a wingman, hopefully someone like you heeds the call.
Day game is your friend. When you are on the bus, you see a 8 just sitting there couple of seats down, go up to her and strick up a conversation. Its not the same as night game/club game but it could be easier to pull if you are good at creating rapport. Honestly you can really "game" whenever you want. The opportunities are everywhere.
On October 19 2011 20:27 squattincassanova wrote: Mindset is part of it. Action is the other part. You can think you are the pimp but if you are home playing WoW all day, you wont fundamentally change. Mindset is encouragement to go out, it helps you long term, but you still have to make the same mistakes and you will still have to learn the same thing from a technical perspective. What distinguishes success is mainly based on what you are doing that everyone else is not doing. I have gone out every single week, every friday and every saturday for the past 10 months except when I had day 2s lined up.
The right mindset is hard to attain. When I lived in Miami I hung out with some motivated wingmen. Then it was easy to go out every Friday and Saturday night and approach every 7 and up. I moved to New York a year ago and have since been struggling to get in the right mindset. I'm only 27 and I don't have the motivation to go out by myself like I used to. A few days ago I joined a few PUA groups on meetup.com to find a wingman, hopefully someone like you heeds the call.
Day game is your friend. When you are on the bus, you see a 8 just sitting there couple of seats down, go up to her and strick up a conversation. Its not the same as night game/club game but it could be easier to pull if you are good at creating rapport. Honestly you can really "game" whenever you want. The opportunities are everywhere.
I don't quite get day game. Maybe because I'm more of a night person. Plus I spend most of my days working either at home or with a bunch of geeky traders. And gaming on public transportation, I never even thought of that as a viable option. Bars are my only option at this point.