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I have been building PC's for about 2 years now and I have been looking into building REALLY cheap gaming pc's for friends who want to play games at good settings without hitting above $350. If anyone has any questions or are looking to build one cheaper let me know and I will MOST DEFINITELY help you out. You can build one even cheaper and possibly better if you dont mind doing a little Craigslist &/Or Ebay Hunting. Build is as follows:
AMD Phenom II X2 555 Black Edition Callisto 3.2GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 80W Dual-Core Desktop Processor - C3 Revision HDZ555WFGMBOX http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103846 $87.99 + Free Shipping
BIOSTAR N68S3+ AM3 NVIDIA MCP68S Micro ATX AMD Motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138293R $34.99 + Free Shipping
G.SKILL Value Series 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9S-4GBNT http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231423 $22.99 + Free Shipping
SAPPHIRE 100289VGAL Radeon HD 5670 1GB DDR3 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102930 $69.99 - Mail-In Rebate ($12.00)= $54.99
Western Digital Caviar Blue WD3200AAKX 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136770 $39.99 + $1.99 Shipping
ePOWER EP-500LS-1 500W ATX12V Power Supply - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817101053 $19.45 + $3.99 shipping
APEX PC-389-C Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811154095 $19.99 + $9.99 shipping
Total Cost (w/o tax) = $321.35 !!
EDIT: Removed the DVD drive AND ADDED IN POWER SUPPLY W/ DUAL 20A 12V RAILS along with a case
This is a really good PC for the cost. Like I said though, if you dont mind using used products (I usually get my parts used to save $) then this is a really decent pc. I have a somewhat similar pc I built using an old case and hard drive that I had for less than $175 buying used parts. If you dont mind going a few bucks over $350, then you could even go with a Quad Core Phenom II Processor or even possibly get a motherboard that supports core unloocking and attempt to unlock the Dual Core Processor I posted above. I will edit and update this thread and even add more (and possibly cheaper!) builds for low budget gamers like me!
EDIT: If you want to go the Intel Route, I put the motherboard and cpu below. The cost will only be about $30-$40 more.
Intel Core i3-2100 Sandy Bridge 3.1GHz 2 x 256KB L2 Cache 3MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 65W Dual-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I32100 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115078 $124.99 + Free Shipping
BIOSTAR H61MU3 LGA 1155 Intel H61 HDMI USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138311R $49.99 + Free Shipping
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How reliable is that power supply? It looks like that's where the biggest savings come in.
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The power supply holds up to its weight in watts. lol. The only reason I didnt recommend that you get a separate name brand psu is because the video card isn't a power monster at all and the cpu isn't power hungry either.
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Yea I was looking at both of those and actually, the RAM that you linked was the original RAM that I was going to put up in the OP but the only reason I didnt use either the RAM or the PSU is because its a limited time deal. The main reason for me using the Phenom II CPU instead of the Sandy Bridge CPU's is because it is alot cheaper to upgrade (or downgrade, depends on how you look at it) to a Triple Core/Quad Core Athlon II or Phenom II for less (alot less depending on how you shop) than the i3, i5 or i7. I should make a low cost Intel build though and just edit in to the OP.
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On August 18 2011 17:23 AeroEffect wrote:Yea I was looking at both of those and actually, the RAM that you linked was the original RAM that I was going to put up in the OP but the only reason I didnt use either the RAM or the PSU is because its a limited time deal. The main reason for me using the Phenom II CPU instead of the Sandy Bridge CPU's is because it is alot cheaper to upgrade (or downgrade, depends on how you look at it) to a Triple Core/Quad Core Athlon II or Phenom II for less (alot less depending on how you shop) than the i3, i5 or i7. I should make a low cost Intel build though and just edit in to the OP. i would snatch the psu right now anyway and wait for other parts if you have to. that's one hell of a deal.
also, i don't think upgrading would be a problem with an intel setup considering am3 is going to be dead soon (as well as 1155) but 1155 has far better processors.
oh, this is a guide. :S
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On August 18 2011 17:42 mahnini wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 17:23 AeroEffect wrote:Yea I was looking at both of those and actually, the RAM that you linked was the original RAM that I was going to put up in the OP but the only reason I didnt use either the RAM or the PSU is because its a limited time deal. The main reason for me using the Phenom II CPU instead of the Sandy Bridge CPU's is because it is alot cheaper to upgrade (or downgrade, depends on how you look at it) to a Triple Core/Quad Core Athlon II or Phenom II for less (alot less depending on how you shop) than the i3, i5 or i7. I should make a low cost Intel build though and just edit in to the OP. i would snatch the psu right now anyway and wait for other parts if you have to. that's one hell of a deal. also, i don't think upgrading would be a problem with an intel setup considering am3 is going to be dead soon (as well as 1155) but 1155 has far better processors. oh, this is a guide. :S
Oh yea both sockets will be dead soon, but this is for people who just want a cheap pc quick and aren't to worried about upgrading their MB and CPU. I believe AM3+ is backwards compatible though. I think that the AM3+ Cpu's work in the AM3 Socket as well as AM3 processors working in the AM3+ socket.
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On August 18 2011 17:50 AeroEffect wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 17:42 mahnini wrote:On August 18 2011 17:23 AeroEffect wrote:Yea I was looking at both of those and actually, the RAM that you linked was the original RAM that I was going to put up in the OP but the only reason I didnt use either the RAM or the PSU is because its a limited time deal. The main reason for me using the Phenom II CPU instead of the Sandy Bridge CPU's is because it is alot cheaper to upgrade (or downgrade, depends on how you look at it) to a Triple Core/Quad Core Athlon II or Phenom II for less (alot less depending on how you shop) than the i3, i5 or i7. I should make a low cost Intel build though and just edit in to the OP. i would snatch the psu right now anyway and wait for other parts if you have to. that's one hell of a deal. also, i don't think upgrading would be a problem with an intel setup considering am3 is going to be dead soon (as well as 1155) but 1155 has far better processors. oh, this is a guide. :S Oh yea both sockets will be dead soon, but this is for people who just want a cheap pc quick and aren't to worried about upgrading their MB and CPU. I believe AM3+ is backwards compatible though. I think that the AM3+ Cpu's work in the AM3 Socket as well as AM3 processors working in the AM3+ socket. i don't think am3+ cpus are backward compatible.
ok wait no am3+ cpus isn't backward compatible http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20100826225852_Desktop_Bulldozer_Processors_Will_Require_New_Platforms_AMD.html
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On August 18 2011 17:54 mahnini wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 17:50 AeroEffect wrote:On August 18 2011 17:42 mahnini wrote:On August 18 2011 17:23 AeroEffect wrote:Yea I was looking at both of those and actually, the RAM that you linked was the original RAM that I was going to put up in the OP but the only reason I didnt use either the RAM or the PSU is because its a limited time deal. The main reason for me using the Phenom II CPU instead of the Sandy Bridge CPU's is because it is alot cheaper to upgrade (or downgrade, depends on how you look at it) to a Triple Core/Quad Core Athlon II or Phenom II for less (alot less depending on how you shop) than the i3, i5 or i7. I should make a low cost Intel build though and just edit in to the OP. i would snatch the psu right now anyway and wait for other parts if you have to. that's one hell of a deal. also, i don't think upgrading would be a problem with an intel setup considering am3 is going to be dead soon (as well as 1155) but 1155 has far better processors. oh, this is a guide. :S Oh yea both sockets will be dead soon, but this is for people who just want a cheap pc quick and aren't to worried about upgrading their MB and CPU. I believe AM3+ is backwards compatible though. I think that the AM3+ Cpu's work in the AM3 Socket as well as AM3 processors working in the AM3+ socket. i don't think am3+ cpus are backward compatible. oh, ok just bulldozer isn't. but bulldozer is like 99% the reason to go am3+
lol yea your right. Only a few AM3 motherboards will support a few AM3+ cpu's via bios update but... It would probably be better to just go ahead and either get a AM3+ motherboard now or just stick with AM3 for a while to the most out of what you paid for.
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I think going for a GTS450 would be better, its like 20-30$ more i think and much betrer then that 5670
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On August 18 2011 18:19 Rachnar wrote: I think going for a GTS450 would be better, its like 20-30$ more i think and much betrer then that 5670 Yea, I was looking at one on newegg for a while but its out of stock right now so I put the 5670 up since im more educated on the video card than any others in the same range (like 3 of my friends have that card in their pc with a cheapo 300 Watt psu and not had an issue)
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My only reason for not using the phenom II x3 is simply because of clock speeds. Im sure if it was really necessary, you could always unlock the 3rd core and attempt to unlock the 4th while already having a clock speed above 3 GHz. Plus, most applications and games only utilize 2 cores anyways so the higher clock speed would be the better option in this case. Other than that though, you are completely right. The Phenom II x3 is better than the x2 version at everything else.
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Well, for right now yeah you are right but my guess is more and more games will use multi threading, if not then it is indeed useless
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On August 18 2011 18:53 Rachnar wrote: Well, for right now yeah you are right but my guess is more and more games will use multi threading, if not then it is indeed useless
Yea I believe now that Quad core processors are more readily available and cheaper, that more and more games and applications will start using all 4 cores to greatly improve performance.
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If you're going for true budget build, you should avoid getting a DVD Drive. Most games can be downloaded these days, and that money can be spent somewhere else. If you really need one, wait for open box deals. Sometimes they are like $10 + free shipping.
The cheapest AM3 motherboard is about the same as the cheapest 1155 motherboard. So you're gonna pay the same amount for either. Pick the one that'll be more relevant longer. And...
AMD does not have better budget builds. At that price range a G620 performs better than a Phenom II X2 555, and is cheaper. Source. And the fact that you can upgrade to better performing CPUs (2100, 2300, etc.) on the same motherboard, which are also better price/performance than their AMD counterparts is a big plus.
You also want to avoid case/psu bundles if you can and unless you find something really good. A lot of those bundles will provide psu's that won't handle a discreet card. Even if you start out with a card that doesn't need the extra power now, what happens if you want to upgrade in the future?
So what you probably want to get is something like:
Pentium G620 - $78 H61 Mobo - $50 4GB DDR3 RAM - $26 WD Caviar Blue 500GB 7200 RPM - $43 Cheap case of your liking - $30 Antec Earthwatts 380D (or similar) - $40
Total: ~$270 (and these are all regular prices, not taking into account any special deals you may run across)
That gives you about $80 (from $350 budget) for a video card and an actual solid build you can continue using most parts for future upgrades or flat-out new builds.
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On August 18 2011 20:55 jacosajh wrote:If you're going for true budget build, you should avoid getting a DVD Drive. Most games can be downloaded these days, and that money can be spent somewhere else. If you really need one, wait for open box deals. Sometimes they are like $10 + free shipping. The cheapest AM3 motherboard is about the same as the cheapest 1155 motherboard. So you're gonna pay the same amount for either. Pick the one that'll be more relevant longer. And... AMD does not have better budget builds. At that price range a G620 performs better than a Phenom II X2 555, and is cheaper. Source. And the fact that you can upgrade to better performing CPUs (2100, 2300, etc.) on the same motherboard, which are also better price/performance than their AMD counterparts is a big plus. You also want to avoid case/psu bundles if you can and unless you find something really good. A lot of those bundles will provide psu's that won't handle a discreet card. Even if you start out with a card that doesn't need the extra power now, what happens if you want to upgrade in the future? So what you probably want to get is something like: Pentium G620 - $78 H61 Mobo - $50 4GB DDR3 RAM - $26 WD Caviar Blue 500GB 7200 RPM - $43 Cheap case of your liking - $30 Antec Earthwatts 380D (or similar) - $40 Total: ~$270 (and these are all regular prices, not taking into account any special deals you may run across) That gives you about $80 (from $350 budget) for a video card and an actual solid build you can continue using most parts for future upgrades or flat-out new builds.
DVD Drive is needed to install the OS. The reason for me picking the Phenom II x2 555 is (as I stated earlier..) because of its raw power and ability to unlock cores. I know that most not all Phenom II's are able to do it but having the chance to do it is a plus. And im going to be completely honest here... I have no idea why everyone makes such a big deal about the power supply... I have NEVER had a power supply mess up on me or any of that mess that everyone says those "no name" psu's do.. In my last Gaming PC I had bought one of those barebones kits from CompUSA and got a broken "High Quality" psu but I wasnt able to return it as I had to make a modification to one of the cables (had to add some wiring to it because the p4 cable wasnt able to reach the socket). So I ended up using a 230 watt psu (It was an old dell psu from a GX280) for a system that was almost the same as the one im mentioning above except instead of a phenom II x2 it was a phenom II x3 and instead of the 5670, I had a 4850 and I never had any problems with power (plus I overclocked the processor from 2.4 GHz to 2.8 GHz as it was the x3 700e cpu)...
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On August 19 2011 00:31 AeroEffect wrote:+ Show Spoiler +And im going to be completely honest here... I have no idea why everyone makes such a big deal about the power supply... I have NEVER had a power supply mess up on me or any of that mess that everyone says those "no name" psu's do.. In my last Gaming PC I had bought one of those barebones kits from CompUSA and got a broken "High Quality" psu but I wasnt able to return it as I had to make a modification to one of the cables (had to add some wiring to it because the p4 cable wasnt able to reach the socket). So I ended up using a 230 watt psu (It was an old dell psu from a GX280) for a system that was almost the same as the one im mentioning above except instead of a phenom II x2 it was a phenom II x3 and instead of the 5670, I had a 4850 and I never had any problems with power (plus I overclocked the processor from 2.4 GHz to 2.8 GHz as it was the x3 700e cpu)...
Your argument if fallacious; it's based on a few personal experiences - see Anecdotal evidence as well as Availability Heuristic - not on a more scientific and rigorous larger-scale analysis, which is what the respected tech-support posters here rely on for their recommendations of higher-quality units.
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you can do OS installs off a USB drive.
if you have another computer to borrow, you can easily copy the files over and make the USB bootable, plus it's a hell of a lot faster than waiting for the DVD to be read.
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On August 18 2011 18:19 Rachnar wrote: I think going for a GTS450 would be better, its like 20-30$ more i think and much betrer then that 5670
a GTS 450 can be had for $70 at directcanada
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On August 18 2011 18:55 AeroEffect wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 18:53 Rachnar wrote: Well, for right now yeah you are right but my guess is more and more games will use multi threading, if not then it is indeed useless Yea I believe now that Quad core processors are more readily available and cheaper, that more and more games and applications will start using all 4 cores to greatly improve performance.
Most games don't use 4 cores, and even those that do BARELY use all 4
Most games still have the bulk of proccesing on one thread, and by the time it does become truly supportive of quad-core designs, this build will be far out of use
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a GTS 450 can be had for $70 at directcanada He lives in USA,not Canada.
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On August 19 2011 00:31 AeroEffect wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 20:55 jacosajh wrote:If you're going for true budget build, you should avoid getting a DVD Drive. Most games can be downloaded these days, and that money can be spent somewhere else. If you really need one, wait for open box deals. Sometimes they are like $10 + free shipping. The cheapest AM3 motherboard is about the same as the cheapest 1155 motherboard. So you're gonna pay the same amount for either. Pick the one that'll be more relevant longer. And... AMD does not have better budget builds. At that price range a G620 performs better than a Phenom II X2 555, and is cheaper. Source. And the fact that you can upgrade to better performing CPUs (2100, 2300, etc.) on the same motherboard, which are also better price/performance than their AMD counterparts is a big plus. You also want to avoid case/psu bundles if you can and unless you find something really good. A lot of those bundles will provide psu's that won't handle a discreet card. Even if you start out with a card that doesn't need the extra power now, what happens if you want to upgrade in the future? So what you probably want to get is something like: Pentium G620 - $78 H61 Mobo - $50 4GB DDR3 RAM - $26 WD Caviar Blue 500GB 7200 RPM - $43 Cheap case of your liking - $30 Antec Earthwatts 380D (or similar) - $40 Total: ~$270 (and these are all regular prices, not taking into account any special deals you may run across) That gives you about $80 (from $350 budget) for a video card and an actual solid build you can continue using most parts for future upgrades or flat-out new builds. DVD Drive is needed to install the OS. The reason for me picking the Phenom II x2 555 is (as I stated earlier..) because of its raw power and ability to unlock cores. I know that most not all Phenom II's are able to do it but having the chance to do it is a plus. And im going to be completely honest here... I have no idea why everyone makes such a big deal about the power supply... I have NEVER had a power supply mess up on me or any of that mess that everyone says those "no name" psu's do.. In my last Gaming PC I had bought one of those barebones kits from CompUSA and got a broken "High Quality" psu but I wasnt able to return it as I had to make a modification to one of the cables (had to add some wiring to it because the p4 cable wasnt able to reach the socket). So I ended up using a 230 watt psu (It was an old dell psu from a GX280) for a system that was almost the same as the one im mentioning above except instead of a phenom II x2 it was a phenom II x3 and instead of the 5670, I had a 4850 and I never had any problems with power (plus I overclocked the processor from 2.4 GHz to 2.8 GHz as it was the x3 700e cpu)...
OS can be installed via USB. And I'm not even talking about illegally. Microsoft provides a digital download. And if you wanted to talk about all of the costs to install an OS, then include the cost of an OS in the build.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/406?vs=88 That's how much better a FULLY UNLOCKED Phenom II X2 555 (which is equivalent to a Phenom II X4 955) is than a G620 (not even the i3 2100). Yes, not much for anything that matters to a gamer. And if you want to argue that it does better in video renders and stuff that actually uses a quad-core, then I'd ask you why you're looking at a $300 build to render videos full-time.
If you want to entrust your entire budget build on a PSU that can fail and potentially kill other parts of your build, be my guest. But please don't suggest this as a guide to most people. It's literally stupid to label something "budget build" when you're trying to be cost-conscious. If you really want to be cost-conscious, don't put your hard-earned money at jeopardy by using a crap PSU.
Additionally, if you're not using a discreet card requiring additional power, that's why the PSU from the GX280 didn't fail. And that seems to be the case as you indicate you were using an HD 5670, which doesn't require any additional power. And just because a PSU gives you a 6-pin PCIe plug doesn't mean it should be doing that. And worst of all, crap PSUs are the kinds that lose efficiency with increased heat. So what do you think is going to happen to a PSU that shouldn't be powering a Phenom II X2 (not to mention, if it was unlocked to a Phenom II X4) + discreet card, as it looses efficiency?
And if you're going to be spending $15~20 on a crap PSU, why not just spend an additional $20 and KNOW that it'll: 1. Last 2. Won't blow up, catch fire, fill in the blanks 3. Useable for future builds/upgrades
You place too much emphasis on extra cores and overclocking. The SB arch is simply unbeatable right now.
Edit: And oh, if you unlock the 555 to 955, you'll probably have to buy a new heatsink. The 955 heatsink is bigger than the 555. Most forums will suggest you get an aftermarket heatsink. I don't really know if it's necessary to tell you the truth. I just took the safe side (yes, I have an unlocked 555, and it's not that great) and got a Hyper 212+. This adds more cost. If you're like me and get the Hyper 212+ because you want to overclock like you implied, you might as well have gotten the i3 2100 for $120. It beats the 955 at stock on most benchmarks. http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/289?vs=88
AND, you have no guarantee that a 555 will unlock to a 955.
AND, you need an ACC (or equivalent) board, which isn't provided on the motherboard you showed.
So the bottom-line is why would you spend essentially the same amount of money for a build that may not even potentially work (can't unlock 555) and needs messing around with (even with an unlocked 555, some users report that their system will sometimes not boot, and they have to clear CMOS, and reset all their settings again) when you can get something that's equivalent, functions slightly better from the get-go, and has a better upgrade path?
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i3 2100 + h61 at microcenter = ~$120 --> cheaper than you phenom.
Assuming they still have $40 off 1155 socket mobos and you're willing to go biostar.
EDIT: I'm retarded, should read beyond the first 5 posts.
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This is why I shouldn't have responded to anything other than questions... everyone has to argue and cant just understand that i'm trying to help. If you have a problem with what I posted, why not just go make your own thread about a cheaper pc then?
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On August 19 2011 05:09 AeroEffect wrote: This is why I shouldn't have responded to anything other than questions... everyone has to argue and cant just understand that i'm trying to help. If you have a problem with what I posted, why not just go make your own thread about a cheaper pc then? They understand that, and they are trying to help you improve the guide. Moreover, the entire point of a thread is to allow discussion, which is what we're getting.
Is it really so hard to admit that sometimes people, even including yourself, are wrong?
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On August 19 2011 05:09 AeroEffect wrote: This is why I shouldn't have responded to anything other than questions... everyone has to argue and cant just understand that i'm trying to help. If you have a problem with what I posted, why not just go make your own thread about a cheaper pc then? don't take it personally, this is just a suboptimal build. learn from mistakes because the advice you are giving some guy might follow and spend money on!
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If I wanted to stream, can I use this budget pc to do that? Or would I need a quad core? If so, what would you suggest?
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On August 19 2011 05:28 muaAHhaha charmander wrote: If I wanted to stream, can I use this budget pc to do that? Or would I need a quad core? If so, what would you suggest?
You will definitely need a quad core. SC2 will use 2 cores by itself.
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i'm able to stream with an e8400 with xsplit, although at lower quality.
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On August 19 2011 05:09 AeroEffect wrote: This is why I shouldn't have responded to anything other than questions... everyone has to argue and cant just understand that i'm trying to help. If you have a problem with what I posted, why not just go make your own thread about a cheaper pc then?
I was pointing out where you could get better parts for cheaper...not trying to argue with you. :/ We're all here to try to get the best price/performance ratio there is.
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Sorry if I came across as rude. I do understand you just meant to help and that is always appreciated.
@muahahaha charmander
If you're not trolling, then no. You would need a quad core. And what budget do you have?
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Yea, I guess i'll just listen to everyone and take it as advice. Im very stubborn. lol.
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On August 19 2011 05:28 muaAHhaha charmander wrote: If I wanted to stream, can I use this budget pc to do that? Or would I need a quad core? If so, what would you suggest? If you want to stream, I suggest you switch out the CPU for a Quad Core unless you dont mind streaming at lower quality (which there is nothing wrong with that; hell, most people prefer that).
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And don't forget you want to make sure your internet speeds meet the requirements. If you have no way of uploading at the very best (or even the lowest) stream quality, there's no use building a system for that.
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Did anyone check out the MaximumPC budget gaming build a couple months ago? I'll have to find the link. $360 and it was pretty badass.
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You know that power supply provides 16a on the 12v rail right? And you know a Phenom II X4 uses close to 10a right? It baffles me you are even considering a $1 power supply.
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On August 19 2011 05:56 skyR wrote: You know that power supply provides 16a on the 12v rail right? And you know a Phenom II X4 uses close to 10a right? It baffles me you are even considering a $1 power supply.
Added in a new psu and case instead of what was there and removed the DVD drive
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Man, people who post budget build guides are sensitive... anyone else remember Belial?
Of course, at least this guy isn't overtly hostile to anyone who has the gall to use a better PC than him.
It isn't personal, Aero, it's just that in the budget range, price/performance is at it's most critical, the lower the budget, the more important optimization is.
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On August 19 2011 06:04 JingleHell wrote: Man, people who post budget build guides are sensitive... anyone else remember Belial?
Of course, at least this guy isn't overtly hostile to anyone who has the gall to use a better PC than him.
It isn't personal, Aero, it's just that in the budget range, price/performance is at it's most critical, the lower the budget, the more important optimization is.
Not sensitive, I just get annoyed very easily. Just came up with this idea like 5 minutes before I posted it so I didnt think about anything before or during the the the time i took to create the post.
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On August 19 2011 06:17 AeroEffect wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 06:04 JingleHell wrote: Man, people who post budget build guides are sensitive... anyone else remember Belial?
Of course, at least this guy isn't overtly hostile to anyone who has the gall to use a better PC than him.
It isn't personal, Aero, it's just that in the budget range, price/performance is at it's most critical, the lower the budget, the more important optimization is. Not sensitive, I just get annoyed very easily. Just came up with this idea like 5 minutes before I posted it so I didnt think about anything before or during the the the time i took to create the post.
Well that doesn't sound like a very good excuse to me^^.
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On August 19 2011 06:26 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 06:17 AeroEffect wrote:On August 19 2011 06:04 JingleHell wrote: Man, people who post budget build guides are sensitive... anyone else remember Belial?
Of course, at least this guy isn't overtly hostile to anyone who has the gall to use a better PC than him.
It isn't personal, Aero, it's just that in the budget range, price/performance is at it's most critical, the lower the budget, the more important optimization is. Not sensitive, I just get annoyed very easily. Just came up with this idea like 5 minutes before I posted it so I didnt think about anything before or during the the the time i took to create the post. Well that doesn't sound like a very good excuse to me^^.
lol I know. <3
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No I'm not trolling. I just really know nothing when it comes to building pc's (what is compatible with what). I just lurk around and read other people's builds and if other people approve it then I build it. I just play the games, and have no interest in computer building.
Mahnino said he streams with a dual core. And I don't mind playing at lower quality, but sometimes I'll watch streams and it's choppy and laggy. Is that because of slow upload speeds or because of an inferior CPU? If I can stream on my current computer with e7200 Wolfgang with a 4850 then I won't consider another pc.
I do plan on building a higher end build for the stacked games coming out this fall. But I have a mechanical keyboard and a zowie mico and I really don't feel like switching those out for my fps setup. So i just want a cheap pc solely for starcraft stream. Call me lazy and excuse my ignorance.
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I think you aren't objective enough to provide an optimized budget build. It clearly shows you have a bias towards Western Digital, GSkill, and AMD. You skimp on the parts that you don't know much about and it clearly shows when you select some relatively unknown power supply (I think it's a toppower?) that advertises as 500w but this probably isn't a continuous rating since it doesn't even provide a single PCIe connector. You mention the reason for selecting an inferior product (AMD) was for overclocking and unlocking yet you have a board with three phases. Good luck preventing it from blowing up I guess.
On August 19 2011 07:06 muaAHhaha charmander wrote: Mahnino said he streams with a dual core. And I don't mind playing at lower quality, but sometimes I'll watch streams and it's choppy and laggy. Is that because of slow upload speeds or because of an inferior CPU? If I can stream on my current computer with e7200 Wolfgang with a 4850 then I won't consider another pc.
If you're watching streams and it's choppy than it's your shit internet or a driver / software issue. An E7200 with a 4850 is strong enough for 1080p video playback.
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On August 19 2011 07:07 skyR wrote:I think you aren't objective enough to provide an optimized budget build. It clearly shows you have a bias towards Western Digital, GSkill, and AMD. You skimp on the parts that you don't know much about and it clearly shows when you select some relatively unknown power supply (I think it's a toppower?) that advertises as 500w but this probably isn't a continuous rating since it doesn't even provide a single PCIe connector. You mention the reason for selecting an inferior product (AMD) was for overclocking and unlocking yet you have a board with three phases. Good luck preventing it from blowing up I guess. Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 07:06 muaAHhaha charmander wrote: Mahnino said he streams with a dual core. And I don't mind playing at lower quality, but sometimes I'll watch streams and it's choppy and laggy. Is that because of slow upload speeds or because of an inferior CPU? If I can stream on my current computer with e7200 Wolfgang with a 4850 then I won't consider another pc. If you're watching streams and it's choppy than it's your shit internet or a driver / software issue. An E7200 with a 4850 is strong enough for 1080p video playback.
I might have misinterpreted what he said, but I believe what he's asking is if HE can stream to others on his CPU. Aka, "I know someone else can do it on their CPU..."
That's how I read it at least.
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Thank you skyR. I'm not saying it's choppy because of my end. If you watch Cecile Sunkure's saved videos on Twitch, his saved videos are recorded as choppy. But if I meet the requirements to stream, then I'll use my current setup. Thanks again.
Edit: Lol yes, I was asking if I meet requirements to stream myself. I already know I can watch other people's streams. Sorry about the confusion. It would be kind of silly to build a budget pc just to watch streams.
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I'm not gonna pretend I know much about streaming (have done it a few times myself, but don't do it on a normal basis), but the general idea is it's real-time video encoding. So that's going to take some power. Playing a CPU intensive game like SC2 and streaming is going to take a toll on the CPU. So generally, you need a powerful CPU if you want it to handle both with some quality. Or a quad-core which divides the work to more cores. I suppose a really high-overclocked E8400 might be able to stream + play SC2 on low quality (both)?
Anyways, yes, your setup is good enough (to watch streams, not TO STREAM). Tbh, I don't think a $350 budget build will give you much more performance gain. Depending on what you currently have, you might be better off upgrading the CPU/Mobo/RAM.
You can get a an i5 2300, H61 board, and 4GB DDR3 for like ~$260, giving you better ability to stream at higher qualities... provided your internet speeds are good.
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On August 19 2011 07:07 skyR wrote:I think you aren't objective enough to provide an optimized budget build. It clearly shows you have a bias towards Western Digital, GSkill, and AMD. You skimp on the parts that you don't know much about and it clearly shows when you select some relatively unknown power supply (I think it's a toppower?) that advertises as 500w but this probably isn't a continuous rating since it doesn't even provide a single PCIe connector. You mention the reason for selecting an inferior product (AMD) was for overclocking and unlocking yet you have a board with three phases. Good luck preventing it from blowing up I guess. Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 07:06 muaAHhaha charmander wrote: Mahnino said he streams with a dual core. And I don't mind playing at lower quality, but sometimes I'll watch streams and it's choppy and laggy. Is that because of slow upload speeds or because of an inferior CPU? If I can stream on my current computer with e7200 Wolfgang with a 4850 then I won't consider another pc. If you're watching streams and it's choppy than it's your shit internet or a driver / software issue. An E7200 with a 4850 is strong enough for 1080p video playback.
-__- I'm not biased towards anything. I dont focus on any particular brand.... and to be honest, I dont care about the brand at all. But anyways, if you think i'm biased, then simply either avoid the thread or make a build of your own and post it. I dont have time to argue with you. Also, there is no need to be an asshole at all so calm down. I'm here to help people. If you know more about computers than me... great. That's all the more reason for you to go and make your own thread.
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On August 19 2011 07:50 AeroEffect wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 07:07 skyR wrote:I think you aren't objective enough to provide an optimized budget build. It clearly shows you have a bias towards Western Digital, GSkill, and AMD. You skimp on the parts that you don't know much about and it clearly shows when you select some relatively unknown power supply (I think it's a toppower?) that advertises as 500w but this probably isn't a continuous rating since it doesn't even provide a single PCIe connector. You mention the reason for selecting an inferior product (AMD) was for overclocking and unlocking yet you have a board with three phases. Good luck preventing it from blowing up I guess. On August 19 2011 07:06 muaAHhaha charmander wrote: Mahnino said he streams with a dual core. And I don't mind playing at lower quality, but sometimes I'll watch streams and it's choppy and laggy. Is that because of slow upload speeds or because of an inferior CPU? If I can stream on my current computer with e7200 Wolfgang with a 4850 then I won't consider another pc. If you're watching streams and it's choppy than it's your shit internet or a driver / software issue. An E7200 with a 4850 is strong enough for 1080p video playback. -__- I'm not biased towards anything. I dont focus on any particular brand.... and to be honest, I dont care about the brand at all. But anyways, if you think i'm biased, then simply either avoid the thread or make a build of your own and post it. I dont have time to argue with you. Also, there is no need to be an asshole at all so calm down. I'm here to help people. If you know more about computers than me... great. That's all the more reason for you to go and make your own thread.
Why does every person who makes an unoptimized budget PC thread feel the need to tell people to make their own thread (break forum rules by not using an existing one) when people make suggestions involving objectivity or optimization?
skyR is one of the best known names on this board for helping people put together builds tailored to their needs in the existing thread for that, by the way, so your mode of yelling at him and attacking is laughable, and slightly offensive.
Trust me, he's not the asshole around here, that's me.
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On August 19 2011 07:50 AeroEffect wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 07:07 skyR wrote:I think you aren't objective enough to provide an optimized budget build. It clearly shows you have a bias towards Western Digital, GSkill, and AMD. You skimp on the parts that you don't know much about and it clearly shows when you select some relatively unknown power supply (I think it's a toppower?) that advertises as 500w but this probably isn't a continuous rating since it doesn't even provide a single PCIe connector. You mention the reason for selecting an inferior product (AMD) was for overclocking and unlocking yet you have a board with three phases. Good luck preventing it from blowing up I guess. On August 19 2011 07:06 muaAHhaha charmander wrote: Mahnino said he streams with a dual core. And I don't mind playing at lower quality, but sometimes I'll watch streams and it's choppy and laggy. Is that because of slow upload speeds or because of an inferior CPU? If I can stream on my current computer with e7200 Wolfgang with a 4850 then I won't consider another pc. If you're watching streams and it's choppy than it's your shit internet or a driver / software issue. An E7200 with a 4850 is strong enough for 1080p video playback. -__- I'm not biased towards anything. I dont focus on any particular brand.... and to be honest, I dont care about the brand at all. But anyways, if you think i'm biased, then simply either avoid the thread or make a build of your own and post it. I dont have time to argue with you. Also, there is no need to be an asshole at all so calm down. I'm here to help people. If you know more about computers than me... great. That's all the more reason for you to go and make your own thread.
We don't want people all going and making their own threads. What's the point of that, having a ton of threads where people looking for advice have no idea which builds are actually good and which are bad? It's not exactly completely subjective material, some builds are superior to others and you simply can't argue it.
I don't know if you've seen the "Computer Resource Build Thread" but that's exactly where SkyR and most other people DO post, and it has hundreds of pages for that exact reason...
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On August 19 2011 08:27 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 07:50 AeroEffect wrote:On August 19 2011 07:07 skyR wrote:I think you aren't objective enough to provide an optimized budget build. It clearly shows you have a bias towards Western Digital, GSkill, and AMD. You skimp on the parts that you don't know much about and it clearly shows when you select some relatively unknown power supply (I think it's a toppower?) that advertises as 500w but this probably isn't a continuous rating since it doesn't even provide a single PCIe connector. You mention the reason for selecting an inferior product (AMD) was for overclocking and unlocking yet you have a board with three phases. Good luck preventing it from blowing up I guess. On August 19 2011 07:06 muaAHhaha charmander wrote: Mahnino said he streams with a dual core. And I don't mind playing at lower quality, but sometimes I'll watch streams and it's choppy and laggy. Is that because of slow upload speeds or because of an inferior CPU? If I can stream on my current computer with e7200 Wolfgang with a 4850 then I won't consider another pc. If you're watching streams and it's choppy than it's your shit internet or a driver / software issue. An E7200 with a 4850 is strong enough for 1080p video playback. -__- I'm not biased towards anything. I dont focus on any particular brand.... and to be honest, I dont care about the brand at all. But anyways, if you think i'm biased, then simply either avoid the thread or make a build of your own and post it. I dont have time to argue with you. Also, there is no need to be an asshole at all so calm down. I'm here to help people. If you know more about computers than me... great. That's all the more reason for you to go and make your own thread. Why does every person who makes an unoptimized budget PC thread feel the need to tell people to make their own thread (break forum rules by not using an existing one) when people make suggestions involving objectivity or optimization? skyR is one of the best known names on this board for helping people put together builds tailored to their needs in the existing thread for that, by the way, so your mode of yelling at him and attacking is laughable, and slightly offensive. Trust me, he's not the asshole around here, that's me.
I dont care who he is. To be honest, I really dont need to be answering any of you so I guess i'll just ignore anything or anyone that bothers me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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On August 19 2011 09:10 AeroEffect wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 08:27 JingleHell wrote:On August 19 2011 07:50 AeroEffect wrote:On August 19 2011 07:07 skyR wrote:I think you aren't objective enough to provide an optimized budget build. It clearly shows you have a bias towards Western Digital, GSkill, and AMD. You skimp on the parts that you don't know much about and it clearly shows when you select some relatively unknown power supply (I think it's a toppower?) that advertises as 500w but this probably isn't a continuous rating since it doesn't even provide a single PCIe connector. You mention the reason for selecting an inferior product (AMD) was for overclocking and unlocking yet you have a board with three phases. Good luck preventing it from blowing up I guess. On August 19 2011 07:06 muaAHhaha charmander wrote: Mahnino said he streams with a dual core. And I don't mind playing at lower quality, but sometimes I'll watch streams and it's choppy and laggy. Is that because of slow upload speeds or because of an inferior CPU? If I can stream on my current computer with e7200 Wolfgang with a 4850 then I won't consider another pc. If you're watching streams and it's choppy than it's your shit internet or a driver / software issue. An E7200 with a 4850 is strong enough for 1080p video playback. -__- I'm not biased towards anything. I dont focus on any particular brand.... and to be honest, I dont care about the brand at all. But anyways, if you think i'm biased, then simply either avoid the thread or make a build of your own and post it. I dont have time to argue with you. Also, there is no need to be an asshole at all so calm down. I'm here to help people. If you know more about computers than me... great. That's all the more reason for you to go and make your own thread. Why does every person who makes an unoptimized budget PC thread feel the need to tell people to make their own thread (break forum rules by not using an existing one) when people make suggestions involving objectivity or optimization? skyR is one of the best known names on this board for helping people put together builds tailored to their needs in the existing thread for that, by the way, so your mode of yelling at him and attacking is laughable, and slightly offensive. Trust me, he's not the asshole around here, that's me. I dont care who he is. To be honest, I really dont need to be answering any of you so I guess i'll just ignore anything or anyone that bothers me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yes you do. If you make a thread, you need to. It's kind of how forums work.
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On August 19 2011 09:10 AeroEffect wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 08:27 JingleHell wrote:On August 19 2011 07:50 AeroEffect wrote:On August 19 2011 07:07 skyR wrote:I think you aren't objective enough to provide an optimized budget build. It clearly shows you have a bias towards Western Digital, GSkill, and AMD. You skimp on the parts that you don't know much about and it clearly shows when you select some relatively unknown power supply (I think it's a toppower?) that advertises as 500w but this probably isn't a continuous rating since it doesn't even provide a single PCIe connector. You mention the reason for selecting an inferior product (AMD) was for overclocking and unlocking yet you have a board with three phases. Good luck preventing it from blowing up I guess. On August 19 2011 07:06 muaAHhaha charmander wrote: Mahnino said he streams with a dual core. And I don't mind playing at lower quality, but sometimes I'll watch streams and it's choppy and laggy. Is that because of slow upload speeds or because of an inferior CPU? If I can stream on my current computer with e7200 Wolfgang with a 4850 then I won't consider another pc. If you're watching streams and it's choppy than it's your shit internet or a driver / software issue. An E7200 with a 4850 is strong enough for 1080p video playback. -__- I'm not biased towards anything. I dont focus on any particular brand.... and to be honest, I dont care about the brand at all. But anyways, if you think i'm biased, then simply either avoid the thread or make a build of your own and post it. I dont have time to argue with you. Also, there is no need to be an asshole at all so calm down. I'm here to help people. If you know more about computers than me... great. That's all the more reason for you to go and make your own thread. Why does every person who makes an unoptimized budget PC thread feel the need to tell people to make their own thread (break forum rules by not using an existing one) when people make suggestions involving objectivity or optimization? skyR is one of the best known names on this board for helping people put together builds tailored to their needs in the existing thread for that, by the way, so your mode of yelling at him and attacking is laughable, and slightly offensive. Trust me, he's not the asshole around here, that's me. I dont care who he is. To be honest, I really dont need to be answering any of you so I guess i'll just ignore anything or anyone that bothers me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yes, you probably shouldn't have posted here if you didn't want superior advice.
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The GT 240 has similar performance (bit less) for 40 dollar.
That PSU is total crap get a CX430 for 27 dollar. Far superior product.
Thats just the deals I know from the top of my head and I'm not even from NA.
Besides that I'd rather have an intel G840 or i3 2100 for that price, the HDD is overpriced, 2x2gb is better than 1x4 and for like 5 dollar more you have a far superior case.
Rather poor build overall.
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On August 19 2011 06:04 JingleHell wrote: Man, people who post budget build guides are sensitive... anyone else remember Belial?
Of course, at least this guy isn't overtly hostile to anyone who has the gall to use a better PC than him.
It isn't personal, Aero, it's just that in the budget range, price/performance is at it's most critical, the lower the budget, the more important optimization is.
I'm still fairly sure this is Belial. Though he hasn't insulted anyone for spending more than $400 on a computer. Yet.
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dis bad guide. i leave open for op to get feedback but he ignore. me sad.
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