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TotalBiscuit will be casting the ESWC finals in Paris this year, starting on October 21st. If any fellow French SC2 players would like to join me in protesting his recent (and unapologetic) display of bigotry, I would greatly appreciate it. We do not have to do anything too flashy or disruptive. Standing in silence with signs demanding an apology should be enough to get our point across. In the meantime, please fill out the contact form below to let ESWC know the type of person they've chosen to have represent their event.
http://www.eswc.com/en/contact
There are no safe online communities for LGBT SC2 players or fans, and it's because SC2s public figures, like TotalBiscuit, have little comprehension of how their words perpetuate an ugly form of discrimination that has been present in online gaming since forever. If eSports is going to gain true mainstream credibility, then casters and players must begin to police their language and actions in a way to be inclusive of everyone who wants to participate. TotalBiscuit's language usage, which routinely isolates and targets gays, women, and the mentally disabled, is completely and totally unacceptable to this end.
Thanks for reading. Let's organize.
edit: http://redd.it/lgmn1 for a recap of his recent tawdry behavior. This is supposed some type of apology, mind you.
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On October 20 2011 10:08 Ome wrote: What did he say? Would like to know as well
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Why would you appeal for protestors without telling us and/or sourcing what you're accusing him of?
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Gonna guess this is because he called the person trying to snipe donations for crippled children a faggot?
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From the post it seems like TB's said "gay" and "retarded".
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are you aware of how many people die per minute due to starvation? how about you protest something like rich people who spend 30,000 a night on a hotel instead?
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Yea man, I think you should probably calm down, do I need to remind you this is the internet?
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Canada13372 Posts
On October 20 2011 10:09 birdkicker wrote:Would like to know as well
He used the word "fagot" in reference to an individual who posted a fake paypal link in Spectral's chat room while spectral was raising money for a new wheelchair cushion. Regularly uses the word 'gay' when referring to something as being bad or negative.
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On October 20 2011 10:10 Daralii wrote: Gonna guess this is because he called the person trying to snipe donations for crippled children a faggot?
If this is it, it doesn't matter; two wrongs don't make a right.
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what is this thread about? would you mind to bring a source?
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iirc when vvvspectral was streaming to raise money for the chair pad he needed tb called the person who was posting fake paypal links in chat (to scam money) a faggot.
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he should be protested against just because he's an awful caster who shouldn't be anywhere near professional events
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On October 20 2011 10:10 Disposition1989 wrote: are you aware of how many people die per minute due to starvation? how about you protest something like rich people who spend 30,000 a night on a hotel instead? Occupy ESWC anyone?
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he called a guy a faggot for trying to scam people for money by abusing a quadropolegic SC2 gamer's chat
are you seriously protesting that? he meant well, and i think he apologized
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On October 20 2011 10:08 Ome wrote: What did he say?
He called a guy that was trolling Spectral (a paralyzed sc2 player) who was trying to raise money for some medical device a faggot. Let it be known that this fellow was linking his own paypal in the chat stream trying to siphon donations from Spectral. If that isn't the definition of a faggot, I don't know what is. To the OP, get over it. No one thinks Totalbiscuit is being hateful to the LGBT community except for a small minority. Grow up.
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Lol, what's the big deal? Lots of people talk like that, who gives a shit.
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John Bain is one of the people I respect most on the internet. I don't want to act like a fanboy but my automatic reaction is to want some evidence of his 'bigotry'. I just can't imagine him picking on any group undeservingly. Please do link whatever material inspired you to instigate this protest so I can judge fairly.
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Someone posted the wrong paypal donation link in the quadriplegic's stream chat to cheat people and take money from the kid, TB called him a huge fucking faggot.
You've gotta be joking OP, this is beyond ridiculous. Faggot doesn't even mean homosexual any more, it's just a generic insult. Grow up.
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"you'd have to be a pretty big faggot to troll a disabled kid trying to raise money"
he said something to that effect yesterday. as someone who has donated my hard earned cash to the human rights campaign and other LGBT rights groups, I don't care...
Silly protest and I doubt you'll get much support but TB may apologize if that's all you're looking for.
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I wouldn't go as far to get signs, I think you should just not watch, pay, go, care about the ESWC then...
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On October 20 2011 10:11 ZeromuS wrote: Regularly uses the word 'gay' when referring to something as being bad or negative.
Please provide examples of when I have used the word gay to refer to something as being bad or negative.
As we have discovered over the last few days, only on the internet would the criminal get off scot-free while the guy who called him a naughty word is nailed to the cross for daring to do so.
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On October 20 2011 10:11 Shaetan wrote: iirc when vvvspectral was streaming to raise money for the chair pad he needed tb called the person who was posting fake paypal links in chat (to scam money) a faggot.
Well then, good job totalbiscuit. Completely and utterly justified.
OP needs to get his panties out of a bunch.
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On October 20 2011 10:12 infinity2k9 wrote: he should be protested against just because he's an awful caster who shouldn't be anywhere near professional events That's what I thought this thread would be about at first.
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Protests sure are the trend nowadays aren't they... I protest this protest >
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On October 20 2011 10:11 Shaetan wrote: iirc when vvvspectral was streaming to raise money for the chair pad he needed tb called the person who was posting fake paypal links in chat (to scam money) a faggot.
Wait so he called someone who was scamming money from people a faggot and now this kid wants to protest it? HAhaha, how about I go there and hold up a sign above your head with some witty remark on how dumb you are.
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On October 20 2011 10:12 WArped wrote: HAHAHA WTF IS THIS? Read my mind dude. Protest someone for saying "faggot", sounds really extreme.
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On October 20 2011 10:13 Ruscour wrote: Someone posted the wrong paypal donation link in the quadriplegic's stream chat to cheat people and take money from the kid, TB called him a huge fucking faggot.
You've gotta be joking OP, this is beyond ridiculous. Faggot doesn't even mean homosexual any more, it's just a generic insult. Grow up.
Thats like saying the N word is a generic word and doesnt have a negative connotation and isn't racist at all.
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hm, him calling someone a faggot makes him a bigot. hm, what % of high school students are bigots you think? by your standards of course but ye, can we please close those thread, this is absurd.
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Jesus christ... Give TB a break for once. He does so much for esports and gaming in general, just look at the ammount of content he puts out on youtube. He's a really fun and great guy, but for whatever reason people just love to bash him for any minor thing he might do. If this would've been anyone else you wouldn't have cared.
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This protest would be the biggest waste of your time over something so trivial like calling someone a "faggot" for stealing money from a handicapped person. You can have fun making yourself look bad when he had a good reason to say it.
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On October 20 2011 10:11 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 10:09 birdkicker wrote:On October 20 2011 10:08 Ome wrote: What did he say? Would like to know as well He used the word "fagot" in reference to an individual who posted a fake paypal link in Spectral's chat room while spectral was raising money for a new wheelchair cushion. Regularly uses the word 'gay' when referring to something as being bad or negative.
Wait so he called someone who posted a fake paypal a faggot, and he shoukd be kicked for that?
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I think a faggot is someone who is using his private sexual preference to gain attention, money or anyhting he deems valuable.
Do you like that definition OP ?
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Please tell me this thread is a joke. TB is great for the community, what is this...
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i'm only not going to insult you because this is TL. but i will say that you are being sensationalist if you are actually able to convince yourself that TB was referring to LGBT community. grow up and realize that faggot means more than homosexual, culture has redefined the word just as you guys have redefined the word gay
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obviously he used poor choice of words, but the context is everything, he obviously wasn't trying to harm any LGBT groups , just as people use the word "gay" and "faggot", its 2011, it doesn't mean what it did 10 years ago.
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This is seriously the dumbest thing I've ever seen on the internet. Please reconsider this, I don't want our community to look any more immature.
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On October 20 2011 10:14 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 10:13 Ruscour wrote: Someone posted the wrong paypal donation link in the quadriplegic's stream chat to cheat people and take money from the kid, TB called him a huge fucking faggot.
You've gotta be joking OP, this is beyond ridiculous. Faggot doesn't even mean homosexual any more, it's just a generic insult. Grow up. Thats like saying the N word is a generic word and doesnt have a negative connotation and isn't racist at all. Should we protest the long list of progamers that have used it as an insult, too?
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I was going to make a joke about how OP is a faggot retard lady, but in fear of a ban I won't.
Seriously, when someone posts something like a fake paypal link while someone else is raising money for something, they deserve to be verbally abused and insulted with any and every offense term. Needless to say, if you don't want to be called a faggot, don't try to steal money from a handicapped kid.
User was warned for this post
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Oh man not the PC police, such bullshit
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What is this? Please stop looking for reasons to start a fuss. Yeah sure he said a bad word, he had the right intentions so get over yourself.
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I'm not surprised at this kind of behavior from TotalBiscuit. He has always been rude and abusive. If he retired from ESPORTS we'd all be better off.
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This is so stupid... Maybe we should start to protesting against EGHuK also then?... Oh.. nobody will do that, because he is not TB who gets so much shit for so little.
You guys making everything TB does a huge deal. It's not.
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On October 20 2011 10:14 VPCursed wrote: hm, him calling someone a faggot makes him a bigot. hm, what % of high school students are bigots you think? by your standards of course but ye, can we please close those thread, this is absurd.
Ok, then people shouldn't be so sensitive about the n-word (just so i don't offend anyone -_-) because not many highschoolers are bigots.
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The incident in question and the apology does not cover this, however:
On October 20 2011 10:08 asldkfououhe wrote: TotalBiscuit's language usage, which routinely isolates and targets gays, women, and the mentally disabled, is completely and totally unacceptable to this end.
Admittedly I don't listen to TotalBiscuit's shows/casts/etc. so I dont' know the veracity of this claim, but it seems to suggest that he routinely makes these sort of gaffes?
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Oh FFS, calling some one a 'homo,' a 'faggot,' or 'gay' doesn't really have anything to do with sexual orientation. It is a generic insult, and a small fraction of people (i.e. homophobes) truly consider sexual orientation something to be ashamed of.
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is this serious? It's the most stupid drama I've read in a while.
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i dont think you should be so offended over the internet. TB is fine.
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Thread closing innnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
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Would it hurt you if he said something else like bloody wanker in place of a faggot then? It seems like you're going to the extremes to protest against TB.
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While his unfortunate that he uses such words pretty irresponsibly, TotalBiscuit does not have the social pull to demand some sort of boycott. This will achieve nothing, will be noticed by no one and in the end stands for nothing.
I'm all for fighting against the use of gay synonyms as meaning "bad," but I'm also against the jump to mass protest over uses of it. It doesn't help, if it did Eminem would have gone bankrupt years ago.
I am boycotting ESWC but that's just because they seem like douche puppies.
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The original poster should be banned and this thread closed/deleted.
Even if TB were using the terms to mean something discriminatory (which he wasn't), this type of thread is not a proper response.
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context is a really cool thing
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Wtf dude, some people just like drama I guess...
TB has my support and this will not change because of 2 words said to someone who deserved it.
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Switzerland2892 Posts
I wanna know who today uses faggot to insult people meaning they are homosexual... When you say somebody is a fag or gay, 99% of the people use it not because being homosexual is bad thing but because they are considered as insults, and when you insult somebody you are not gonna think during 30min what you are gonna say.
Stupidest idea I've ever heard in a while.
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Stop being a 14 year old and comprehend the intent of what he was trying to say instead of the strict meaning of the word itself. Have fun protesting on your own.
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On October 20 2011 10:15 Daralii wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 10:14 ZeromuS wrote:On October 20 2011 10:13 Ruscour wrote: Someone posted the wrong paypal donation link in the quadriplegic's stream chat to cheat people and take money from the kid, TB called him a huge fucking faggot.
You've gotta be joking OP, this is beyond ridiculous. Faggot doesn't even mean homosexual any more, it's just a generic insult. Grow up. Thats like saying the N word is a generic word and doesnt have a negative connotation and isn't racist at all. Should we protest the long list of progamers that have used it as an insult, too?
Perhaps? Kobe Bryant was recently fined $200,000 for shouting this slur at a referee. Since there is no overarching eSports organization, we have to fight for our right to be included and protected ourselves.
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On October 20 2011 10:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 10:11 ZeromuS wrote: Regularly uses the word 'gay' when referring to something as being bad or negative. Please provide examples of when I have used the word gay to refer to something as being bad or negative.
I don't have references but i've read it typed out a few times. I'm not saying I'm necessarily on the side of the OP im just saying what i've seen.
I personally feel that if you want to make a professional career out of casting you should try to avoid using highly offensive terms such as fagot. You are in the public eye and you need to remember that. Whether you feel using the word was ok or not I feel you need to be more careful with word choice in public. Such as on the stream. I feel you probably offended a number of members of the GLBT community and this is a result of it. Maybe the word regularly was inappropriate in my post but you have said it before.
Those are my 2 cents. Whether you agree or not is your prerogative.
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On October 20 2011 10:14 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 10:13 Ruscour wrote: Someone posted the wrong paypal donation link in the quadriplegic's stream chat to cheat people and take money from the kid, TB called him a huge fucking faggot.
You've gotta be joking OP, this is beyond ridiculous. Faggot doesn't even mean homosexual any more, it's just a generic insult. Grow up. Thats like saying the N word is a generic word and doesnt have a negative connotation and isn't racist at all. Black rappers use it and no one gets offended...language is dumb and is all about context. You cannot assault someone because you take the literal meaning instead of the implied meaning.
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Give me a break, get off the soapbox.
This has to be the weakest protest I've ever seen. I agree, the word was poorly used, but you're shooting Superman because he lacks articulation when hot under the collar.
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We need to reclaim the word so that we can use it freely to insult lowlife's without the gay & lesbian community jumping on our heads for discrimination.
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cool I hope you will also be protesting the involvement of IdrA in this tourney as well given his history and use of the word.
-_-
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TB is one of the most well spoken, literate, manned people I know. I have been subscribed to he YouTube channel for about a year and have never, EVER heard him say the word "gay" in reference to anything, bad or negative, let alone curse or use any profanities whatsoever.
This thread is a fucking joke.
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On October 20 2011 10:16 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 10:14 VPCursed wrote: hm, him calling someone a faggot makes him a bigot. hm, what % of high school students are bigots you think? by your standards of course but ye, can we please close those thread, this is absurd. Ok, then people shouldn't be so sensitive about the n-word (just so i don't offend anyone -_-) because not many highschoolers are bigots.
Oh man, what city do you live in?
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On October 20 2011 10:18 asldkfououhe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 10:15 Daralii wrote:On October 20 2011 10:14 ZeromuS wrote:On October 20 2011 10:13 Ruscour wrote: Someone posted the wrong paypal donation link in the quadriplegic's stream chat to cheat people and take money from the kid, TB called him a huge fucking faggot.
You've gotta be joking OP, this is beyond ridiculous. Faggot doesn't even mean homosexual any more, it's just a generic insult. Grow up. Thats like saying the N word is a generic word and doesnt have a negative connotation and isn't racist at all. Should we protest the long list of progamers that have used it as an insult, too? Perhaps? Kobe Bryant was recently fined $200,000 for shouting this slur at a referee. Since there is no overarching eSports organization, we have to fight for our right to be included and protected ourselves.
I like to think this community can be a little more laid back than the NBA. Besides, context is everything.
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This thread has no place on TL honestly. WTF is OP thinking?
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On October 20 2011 10:17 A Wet Shamwow wrote: context is a really cool thing
This. Also, single words alone mean nothing. Never have I heard of TB insulting particular groups with the intent of doing so. Saying 'faggot' or 'retard', in modern day, has nothing to do with insulting homosexuals or mentally disabled people. Please return to 1843 whence you appear to be coming from.
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On October 20 2011 10:16 Fugue wrote:The incident in question and the apology does not cover this, however: Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 10:08 asldkfououhe wrote: TotalBiscuit's language usage, which routinely isolates and targets gays, women, and the mentally disabled, is completely and totally unacceptable to this end.
Admittedly I don't listen to TotalBiscuit's shows/casts/etc. so I dont' know the veracity of this claim, but it seems to suggest that he routinely makes these sort of gaffes?
His Twitter account is a scroll of bigotry.
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In the context of what happened, I fell TB was justified in his use of modern day derogatives, but as for the future, if esports is to be taken seriously, stuff like the OP needs to happen more and we really need to crack down and try to make esports look as professional as possible. From a professional standpoint, OP is 100% correct, but in this context, TB has the right to let the hammar drop, at least in this situation.
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On October 20 2011 10:18 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 10:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:On October 20 2011 10:11 ZeromuS wrote: Regularly uses the word 'gay' when referring to something as being bad or negative. Please provide examples of when I have used the word gay to refer to something as being bad or negative. I don't have references but i've read it typed out a few times. I'm not saying I'm necessarily on the side of the OP im just saying what i've seen. I personally feel that if you want to make a professional career out of casting you should try to avoid using highly offensive terms such as fagot. You are in the public eye and you need to remember that. Whether you feel using the word was ok or not I feel you need to be more careful with word choice in public. Such as on the stream. I feel you probably offended a number of members of the GLBT community and this is a result of it. Maybe the word regularly was inappropriate in my post but you have said it before. Those are my 2 cents. Whether you agree or not is your prerogative.
So what you're saying is, you don't have any evidence of it.
And it's spelled faggot, at least know what the word is you're supposed to be getting upset over.
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You are pathetic. Protesting against someone who stood up for the greater good. Yeah thats cool.
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Regardless of whether TB is badmouthed, he is one of the most intelligent and knowledgable people on the internet, and I can't help but think if your opinion is that he should 'retire from ESPORTS', you probably haven't seen many of his videos.
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I can't believe it. he used the word faggot to insult someone. there isn't any association or insult to your sexuality here. he was even trying to help some kind of charity... seriously, get a life. why don't you do something useful like he was trying to do?
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On October 20 2011 10:19 Medrea wrote: This thread has no place on TL honestly. WTF is OP thinking? Agreed...witch hunts belong on Reddit.
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the word faggot, to most people at least, doesn't mean homosexual. It means the person is a faggot, for example, someone knocks your drink out of your hand on purpose, he's a faggot.
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A Brit saying Fag?! OMG what a shock !
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On October 20 2011 10:14 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 10:13 Ruscour wrote: Someone posted the wrong paypal donation link in the quadriplegic's stream chat to cheat people and take money from the kid, TB called him a huge fucking faggot.
You've gotta be joking OP, this is beyond ridiculous. Faggot doesn't even mean homosexual any more, it's just a generic insult. Grow up. Thats like saying the N word is a generic word and doesnt have a negative connotation and isn't racist at all.
actually it's not because most people use nigger with only one description in mind. i do not use faggot with someone who's gay in mind pretty much ever, and it's the same thing with almost everyone. unless you're like 40-50 and you haven't experienced school in the last 10-20 years, you're just being stubborn about its use. many people use it that way, and unlike nigger, faggot is redefined in exactly the context TB used it in.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=faggot
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asldkfououhe posted a thread inviting people to protest totalbiscuit, with no real or valid excuse, using the gay and lesbian community as a shield. Please help us protest this thread, you don't have to post or anything, its ok if you press the report button, but if you want to you can post a discouraging comment.
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On October 20 2011 10:18 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 10:14 ZeromuS wrote:On October 20 2011 10:13 Ruscour wrote: Someone posted the wrong paypal donation link in the quadriplegic's stream chat to cheat people and take money from the kid, TB called him a huge fucking faggot.
You've gotta be joking OP, this is beyond ridiculous. Faggot doesn't even mean homosexual any more, it's just a generic insult. Grow up. Thats like saying the N word is a generic word and doesnt have a negative connotation and isn't racist at all. Black rappers use it and no one gets offended...language is dumb and is all about context. You cannot assault someone because you take the literal meaning instead of the implied meaning.
I don't agree with anyone's use of it since it keeps the word alive and it has a pretty negative connotation
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I'm beginning to think people make posts like this just to troll TB. He is known to react heavily and sometimes emotionally to certain kinds of criticism, so he makes a perfect troll target. I'm sure if he just started shrugging off stuff like this and not get upset it would happen way less, people just like to mess with him. I sincerely hope he either doesn't react to this, or calls this out for the trolling attempt it is, but I fear I will be wrong.
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I think it's pretty obvious when someone is using the terms "gay", "faggot" and "retarded" to slander and discriminate against LGBT people, and I think it's pretty obvious that TotalBiscuit was using them to describe his anger toward said individual that was trying to scam people into donating him money.
So in summary for the OP, stop trying to be so PC/ridiculous.
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On October 20 2011 10:19 asldkfououhe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 10:16 Fugue wrote:The incident in question and the apology does not cover this, however: On October 20 2011 10:08 asldkfououhe wrote: TotalBiscuit's language usage, which routinely isolates and targets gays, women, and the mentally disabled, is completely and totally unacceptable to this end.
Admittedly I don't listen to TotalBiscuit's shows/casts/etc. so I dont' know the veracity of this claim, but it seems to suggest that he routinely makes these sort of gaffes? His Twitter account is a scroll of bigotry.
you are a fantastic troll
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For a better understanding of the word in question I would like to direct you to watch South Park Season 13 episode 12. It breaks down the historical use of the word over the last few hundred years in a manner that will not only enlighten you as to why your position is wrong but will also make you laugh.
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This guy just has it out for TB... this is really pathetic.
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Guys, please please PLEASE protest djWHEAT with me at the next MLG. He calls me and everyone else his "bitches" almost daily.
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On October 20 2011 10:20 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 10:18 Ruscour wrote:On October 20 2011 10:14 ZeromuS wrote:On October 20 2011 10:13 Ruscour wrote: Someone posted the wrong paypal donation link in the quadriplegic's stream chat to cheat people and take money from the kid, TB called him a huge fucking faggot.
You've gotta be joking OP, this is beyond ridiculous. Faggot doesn't even mean homosexual any more, it's just a generic insult. Grow up. Thats like saying the N word is a generic word and doesnt have a negative connotation and isn't racist at all. Black rappers use it and no one gets offended...language is dumb and is all about context. You cannot assault someone because you take the literal meaning instead of the implied meaning. I don't agree with anyone's use of it since it keeps the word alive and it has a pretty negative connotation I don't like skinny jeans...it's modern culture whether you like it or not.
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Enjoy standing on your own with your sign OP.
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Braavos36362 Posts
Let's not have threads organizing protests against a specific person thanks, this thread is destined for a gigantic shitshow flamewar.
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