It's self defense. It's only natural. He was harassed and Jorge Saavadra wanted revenge. ( He's only 14 and the authorities didn't do enough of a job to prevent it from happening. )
They were going to attack him again... and they did...
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nalgene
Canada2153 Posts
It's self defense. It's only natural. He was harassed and Jorge Saavadra wanted revenge. ( He's only 14 and the authorities didn't do enough of a job to prevent it from happening. ) They were going to attack him again... and they did... | ||
MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On January 10 2012 19:10 Marcus420 wrote: Almost similar to Varg Vikerens. He was in a death metal band where his bandmate threatened him with torture and possibly going to kill him. Varg killed him first but the law wasnt on his side. If the child was in self defence; the fucker probably deserved it. Not to attempt and invalidate your point or anything, but Varg was in a black metal band and is in fact considered one of the most influential contributors to the norwegian black metal movement of the 90s. Just thought I'd put that out there so that nobody gets confused. Sorry for the off-topic, other than that I agree with you, like I've posted before. | ||
FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On January 10 2012 19:27 Khaine wrote: Sure, he was afraid of the bullies, and they hit him first. But does that justify actually killing another human being? I think not. He cant just get away without any charges at all. Yes | ||
FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On January 10 2012 19:28 nalgene wrote: Dylan was slain by Jorge. It's self defense. It's only natural. He was harassed and Jorge Saavadra wanted revenge. ( He's only 14 and the authorities didn't do enough of a job to prevent it from happening. ) They were going to attack him again... and they did... It's quite clear that Jorge had no intention of getting this revenge you speak of. | ||
isleyofthenorth
Austria894 Posts
On January 10 2012 19:31 FabledIntegral wrote: Show nested quote + On January 10 2012 19:27 Khaine wrote: Sure, he was afraid of the bullies, and they hit him first. But does that justify actually killing another human being? I think not. He cant just get away without any charges at all. Yes No. And i am disgusted by your opinion. So to you the life of this bully is just trash and worth nothing? | ||
Silidons
United States2813 Posts
Need to fight your own battles. Not take the easy way out. | ||
S_SienZ
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Miss_Cleo
United States406 Posts
It's a shame that the bully could not control his biological drive to dominate and control others, I'm going to guess that he had some underlying issues as well. This feeling of being in control and dominating others does have an effect on human neurochemistry, it's basically a "high" that the bully gets. I'm not justfifying what the bully did either, but there's always two sides of looking at it. | ||
storm44
1293 Posts
On January 10 2012 19:32 isleyofthenorth wrote: Show nested quote + On January 10 2012 19:31 FabledIntegral wrote: On January 10 2012 19:27 Khaine wrote: Sure, he was afraid of the bullies, and they hit him first. But does that justify actually killing another human being? I think not. He cant just get away without any charges at all. Yes No. And i am disgusted by your opinion. So to you the life of this bully is just trash and worth nothing? yup | ||
RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
The outsiders. | ||
FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On January 10 2012 19:32 isleyofthenorth wrote: Show nested quote + On January 10 2012 19:31 FabledIntegral wrote: On January 10 2012 19:27 Khaine wrote: Sure, he was afraid of the bullies, and they hit him first. But does that justify actually killing another human being? I think not. He cant just get away without any charges at all. Yes No. And i am disgusted by your opinion. So to you the life of this bully is just trash and worth nothing? I'm disgusted by your lack of reading comprehension. | ||
StiX
Netherlands220 Posts
On January 10 2012 15:07 firehand101 wrote: he is only a kid, but still murder is murder Only this isn't murder as that's not the verdict. Trash will remain trash, this kid wouldn't have grown to be a good person anyway. | ||
Phyrigian
New Zealand1332 Posts
On January 10 2012 19:32 isleyofthenorth wrote: Show nested quote + On January 10 2012 19:31 FabledIntegral wrote: On January 10 2012 19:27 Khaine wrote: Sure, he was afraid of the bullies, and they hit him first. But does that justify actually killing another human being? I think not. He cant just get away without any charges at all. Yes No. And i am disgusted by your opinion. So to you the life of this bully is just trash and worth nothing? No? He was being extremely agressive and decided to attack the other boy. What if he was bashed and he died? How can he judge? It's a lot harder for him when hes being gangbashed or in a terrible position. Is the life of the victim worth nothing? does he have to continue suffering? The sad thing the same group of people who say "man up, do something about it" do nothing to help the victim themselves, and its easy for them to say, and when the kid finally has the tenacity to do something hes criticised for that aswell. It's impossible to do anything else in that very specific end of the circumstance, and its too intimidating to do anything before that aswell, its a lose lose. On January 10 2012 19:34 Silidons wrote: No need to kill another human over being feared of being beaten up. Maybe he could have tried to fight and become a stronger man. How was he able to predict if the bully would pull a knife on him himself? Do you think he fought into the battle on purpose? Now he is still weak and has blood on his hands, what's to say when he feels threatened again he won't do the same thing? Need to fight your own battles. Not take the easy way out. He would've preferred not to get involved. Stop sticking up for the bully, he initiated and if the bully didnt attack, even if the kid felt threatened he wouldn't have pulled a knife on them. My best friend at high school was heavily bullied, and if you haven't endured it or witnessed from the receiving end you its impossible to understand the physiological effect for the victim, and what they're enduring. You're obviously not ever in a happy mood, and, ive used this analogy before, but it's like a gray cloud hovering over your head. | ||
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
Death is a bit harsh but just imagine if u get bullied for a year threatened with physical violence. And then on this day they announce it, hell I probably would have brought a shotgun. Credits to the victim for remaining calm on the bus for so long until he eventually lost it. | ||
Severedevil
United States4795 Posts
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Phyrigian
New Zealand1332 Posts
On January 10 2012 19:46 Jakkerr wrote: Bully got what he deserved in some way. Death is a bit harsh but just imagine if u get bullied for a year threatened with physical violence. And then on this day they announce it, hell I probably would have brought a shotgun. Credits to the victim for remaining calm on the bus for so long until he eventually lost it. Exactly the point im trying to get across. What if the bully actually had a weapon? It would've been a risk for the victim of the bullying to not have engaged once the bullies assault began. It was the victims self defense. | ||
Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
In this case I'm guess the kid brought the knife with him for protection, which shows some sort of premeditation. However, I think bullying can drive people to do some seriously out of character things. | ||
d00fuz
Malaysia129 Posts
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
So many people in this thread are pathetic if you think that it is okay to kill someone over stupid shit like this. Worse comes to worse the kid could say "Look I have a fucking knife" and I bet you the other guy would have backed off. This isn't a life and death situation and almost every man is going to have to fight sometime or another in his lifetime, what ever happened to becoming a stronger person? Could he have just shown the guy he was real by just slicing his leg or arm? Why did he actually have to fucking kill him? He's a fucking pathetic human. | ||
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