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On March 09 2012 08:08 xrapture wrote: so idra's allowed to say faggot dozens of times, but orb saying nigger is so much different?
Last time I checked both are derogatory terms used against a minority.
Agreed.
I don't have a problem with Orb's comments, it's the internet, not a corporate boardroom.
If he's paid a wage to play SC2 then his sponsors would be right to withhold future payments as punishment. But that's their problem. I don't agree with what the OP is trying to achieve here by starting this thread to begin with, censorship and enforced group-think needs to take a hike.
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if i would come from the US, i would knock him down.
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On March 09 2012 08:08 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 08:04 CodECleaR wrote: It's okay for Destiny to say stuff like this but not Orb? Community bias much? I can understand how diff. organizations would reprimand each Destiny/orb differently, but the community is so blatantly biased it's almost funny. Destiny is kind of a nobody in terms of his impact on the scene. He's a fringe entertainer who structures his casts to appeal to high school aged kids since they are a the types who can watch streams a lot. Its really well understood that who he is on his stream isn't an actual representation of the community. EG, on the other hand, is basically THE e-sports organization out there, and casters are always the face of an organization, whether it be GSL, MLG, etc. Orb spewing racism is coming from a different person, from a different organization. Its totally different.
Pretty sure this incident didn't happen after Orb was hired by EG...
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On March 09 2012 08:08 xrapture wrote: so idra's allowed to say faggot dozens of times, but orb saying nigger is so much different?
Last time I checked both are derogatory terms used against a minority.
Yes because IdrA has such a great reputation and never causes people to criticize him over his childish behavior.
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On March 09 2012 08:11 Dental Floss wrote: Maybe you should take this reaction as a sign that calling someone a dumb nigger is not as normal as you think it is.
Woah bro, you must venture onto the internet very often.
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We all use word's even if we don't mean them and don't know proper definition. Racism and Homophobic is just just a small part that everyone seams to carry about.
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As a black man this behaviour sickens me... I hope orb will be held account for a) his racism b) lying to his management
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On March 09 2012 08:13 Blargh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 08:11 Dental Floss wrote: Maybe you should take this reaction as a sign that calling someone a dumb nigger is not as normal as you think it is. Woah bro, you must venture onto the internet very often.
Thinking that the Internet is a bastion of social normalcy is the single worst mistake any person can make.
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On March 09 2012 08:13 Blargh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 08:11 Dental Floss wrote: Maybe you should take this reaction as a sign that calling someone a dumb nigger is not as normal as you think it is. Woah bro, you must venture onto the internet very often. yea. calling someone a "dumb nigger" is about as common a word as "Dude" on the internet...lol
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On March 09 2012 07:57 Dental Floss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 07:56 Gator wrote: why people insist on ruining this kid's life is beyond me. It isn't about ruining his life its about sending a message that this community will not stand for racism or homophobia. We will not tolerate it.
This is going beyond taking a firm stance on the issue of racism or homophobia. It is becoming incendiary reactions to out of context expressions of anger which are being perceived as racism. Racist or offensive words are not racism. While one perpetuates the other words are not indicative of individual beliefs.
Also to call for his termination from EG his new job wherein during his work he has never used a loaded word is moving beyond taking a stand against racism. Moving forward representing EG by nature of being under their employ (not on the team mind you, rather under employment) and no longer making offensive comments would mean he is fulfilling his role. Should he make comments like this in the future or act in a clear manner as to show he has serious personal convictions regarding people of a different nationality or ethnicity then it would make sense that we as a community could be concerned and inform his employer about these allegations. We don't need to run to the forums and Reddit creating a shitstorm for companies to navigate.
We are creating a situation wherein a company has to react in accordance with the rabid populous in order to maintain their viewership numbers or face a potential boycott considering the rabid nature of the Drama fueled SC community. Can we not be mature about the situation? Must we post an OP such as the one herein? Can we not allow the individuals involved to make their own statements?
Should we instead go out of our way to hunt through hours and hours of SC2 replays and vods on twitch to find the odd circumstance of some damning evidence? Does what he does on personal stream or unaired ladder game have any impact on his professional work? Do his past actions however misguided really represent EG in a negative light?
How many of you have done something wrong or something you regret? If none then sure go ahead and get mad at orb. But you know what while I've never said the N word in private or public I have said and done some things that I know and feel are wrong. Should that keep me from getting a job? Or trying to improve to get a job in the future?
Orb isn't trying to become a kindergarten teacher with a history of pedophilic behaviour. His actions in the past have no bearing on his ability to perform his job now or his actions from here on out. If I had the time to go back and dig up the skeletons in many players closets I'm sure I can find it. Does that mean these people should lose their positions now when they don't act this way while now being in the public spotlight? No.
Did Day [9]s old blog post about the masturbation story mean he is ostracized by the SC community? Is Destiny's defense of the N word in the past and continued use of retard and other words a reason for him to get kicked off QxG?
We all like to act like the koreans over react when they get offended by a probe rush in GSL but here we are over reacting to past actions not done on a public stage before Orb was given the professional position he has now. Have you ever seen orb use the N word in a malicious, directed, and racist manner? I haven't. I have seen him use the word when he is mad and like everyone who gets mad sometimes you stay dumb shit.
That's my 2 cents, I'm just getting tired of all this drama taking over the SC community there's so much more we could and should be putting our energy towards.
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On March 09 2012 08:14 Silidons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 08:13 Blargh wrote:On March 09 2012 08:11 Dental Floss wrote: Maybe you should take this reaction as a sign that calling someone a dumb nigger is not as normal as you think it is. Woah bro, you must venture onto the internet very often. yea. calling someone a "dumb nigger" is about as common a word as "Dude" on the internet...lol
*uses a knife to decapitate a serbian soldier*
BUT I SAW IT ON THE INTERNET LIKE A HUNDRED TIMES
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Why does anyone care if Orb says faggot or nigger on his stream? Its immature, sure but it is certainly not worthy of all the TL threads/Reddit posts it has recieved. Our communities need to ignore petty things like this. We don't need a shitstorm every time someone gets mad on ladder. If you have a problem report it to Blizzard, why waste any more time with it? None of this does any good for Orb, You or the rest of the SC2 community.
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you cant really defend him. he is undefendable. This is against blizzarrd TOS also so if any of the people he played against just reported him, he would get suspended.
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the best part of this whole thing is that so many people whho are offended by orb using the word nigger are now posting that same word all over teamliquid
this is amazing stuff.
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On March 09 2012 08:08 xrapture wrote: so idra's allowed to say faggot dozens of times, but orb saying nigger is so much different?
Last time I checked both are derogatory terms used against a minority. Can you give me proof that a majority of SC2 players are straight?
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wow what a fucking idiot. Why would you say those things knowing your in the public eye? I wouldnt even say those things and i know that nobody cares what i say or do.
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On March 09 2012 08:15 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 07:57 Dental Floss wrote:On March 09 2012 07:56 Gator wrote: why people insist on ruining this kid's life is beyond me. It isn't about ruining his life its about sending a message that this community will not stand for racism or homophobia. We will not tolerate it. This is going beyond taking a firm stance on the issue of racism or homophobia. It is becoming incendiary reactions to out of context expressions of anger which are being perceived as racism. Racist or offensive words are not racism. While one perpetuates the other words are not indicative of individual beliefs. Also to call for his termination from EG his new job wherein during his work he has never used a loaded word is moving beyond taking a stand against racism. Moving forward representing EG by nature of being under their employ (not on the team mind you, rather under employment) and no longer making offensive comments would mean he is fulfilling his role. Should he make comments like this in the future or act in a clear manner as to show he has serious personal convictions regarding people of a different nationality or ethnicity then it would make sense that we as a community could be concerned and inform his employer about these allegations. We don't need to run to the forums and Reddit creating a shitstorm for companies to navigate. We are creating a situation wherein a company has to react in accordance with the rabid populous in order to maintain their viewership numbers or face a potential boycott considering the rabid nature of the Drama fueled SC community. Can we not be mature about the situation? Must we post an OP such as the one herein? Can we not allow the individuals involved to make their own statements? Should we instead go out of our way to hunt through hours and hours of SC2 replays and vods on twitch to find the odd circumstance of some damning evidence? Does what he does on personal stream or unaired ladder game have any impact on his professional work? Do his past actions however misguided really represent EG in a negative light? How many of you have done something wrong or something you regret? If none then sure go ahead and get mad at orb. But you know what while I've never said the N word in private or public I have said and done some things that I know and feel are wrong. Should that keep me from getting a job? Or trying to improve to get a job in the future? Orb isn't trying to become a kindergarten teacher with a history of pedophilic behaviour. His actions in the past have no bearing on his ability to perform his job now or his actions from here on out. If I had the time to go back and dig up the skeletons in many players closets I'm sure I can find it. Does that mean these people should lose their positions now when they don't act this way while now being in the public spotlight? No. Did Day [9]s old blog post about the masturbation story mean he is ostracized by the SC community? Is Destiny's defense of the N word in the past and continued use of retard and other words a reason for him to get kicked off QxG? We all like to act like the koreans over react when they get offended by a probe rush in GSL but here we are over reacting to past actions not done on a public stage before Orb was given the professional position he has now. Have you ever seen orb use the N word in a malicious, directed, and racist manner? I haven't. I have seen him use the word when he is mad and like everyone who gets mad sometimes you stay dumb shit. That's my 2 cents, I'm just getting tired of all this drama taking over the SC community there's so much more we could and should be putting our energy towards.
get a life, no1 will ever read that roman.
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On March 09 2012 08:16 Dental Floss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 08:14 Silidons wrote:On March 09 2012 08:13 Blargh wrote:On March 09 2012 08:11 Dental Floss wrote: Maybe you should take this reaction as a sign that calling someone a dumb nigger is not as normal as you think it is. Woah bro, you must venture onto the internet very often. yea. calling someone a "dumb nigger" is about as common a word as "Dude" on the internet...lol *uses a knife to decapitate a serbian soldier* BUT I SAW IT ON THE INTERNET LIKE A HUNDRED TIMES
You sir are good people.
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On March 09 2012 08:16 Mordlikeafox wrote: the best part of this whole thing is that so many people whho are offended by orb using the word nigger are now posting that same word all over teamliquid
this is amazing stuff.
we are using word idiot and moron all the time and nobody is ofended..>XD
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