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On September 21 2012 11:59 S_SienZ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 11:57 -_- wrote: Nobody chooses their race based on balance. Nobody switches their race based on balance. You just choose whatever looks coolest to you. But you do stop playing when the game gets frustrating to the point it's not worth playing over newer releases. The majority of these people are not being frustrated because of factors of balance, but because they're just losing.
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On September 21 2012 12:18 JackReacher wrote: This thread is making me sick. Mediocre no-name master league players feeding their ego with excuses for why they lose and why they can't compete with top players and such. Want to know the difference between you and GM/pro Terrans who win tournaments? You cry about imbalance, your race being "the hardest" or any amount of bs needed to rationalize why you aren't playing up to your unrealistic expectations about how good you think you are, while they blame losses on themselves not being good enough, which motivates them to practice more. They end up practicing all day, and you end up on here posting about why you are good but your race is just "unfairly nerfed".
This is simply the mindset of a loser. Do you think Taeja or Mvp have this attitude? They have winner's mindsets. Take a cue from people who know how to win.
Talk about completely missing the point. Not everyone has time to practice like a pro guy, this is the NA ladder, a pretty casual place for the most part, the fact that Terran is waaay under represented goes to show you that Terran is not for the casual player
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Terran is the hardest race to play, that's why you see the least Terran players of any of the three races in GM and Master league.
Why would you repeatedly smash your face against the wall, hurting yourself over and over, when you just switch races or not play the game at all? This attitude is reflected in the racial distribution numbers across all ladders. HotS will make this amplify this situation and it's pretty safe to say that you can expect the Terran player numbers to drop even lower. I don't think anyone would be surprised if we saw a few professional Terran players either change races or quit shortly after HotS.
I'm not sure what the breaking point would be, but maybe Blizzard will give up trying to balance at all and simply remove the race from the game and focus on Protoss and Zerg since no one will be playing Terran at that point.
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Some people here have a really mediocre thought process, it makes absolutely no sense for the entirety of the terran population (terran is under represented in GM and masters in every single server, except for kr masters) to be framed as well, anything, be it whiny or unimpressive or whatever, what makes protoss and zergs different from those that chose terran? Jesus christ the level of retardness is insurmountable.
My personal experience tells that if you don't have the perfect resources and opportunites you shouldn't play terran as a pro, it just takes too much to get there, for one reason or another, and it's not like this is anything new, beating a pretty dead horse really.
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On September 21 2012 12:18 JackReacher wrote: This thread is making me sick. Mediocre no-name master league players feeding their ego with excuses for why they lose and why they can't compete with top players and such. Want to know the difference between you and GM/pro Terrans who win tournaments? You cry about imbalance, your race being "the hardest" or any amount of bs needed to rationalize why you aren't playing up to your unrealistic expectations about how good you think you are, while they blame losses on themselves not being good enough, which motivates them to practice more. They end up practicing all day, and you end up on here posting about why you are good but your race is just "unfairly nerfed".
This is simply the mindset of a loser. Do you think Taeja or Mvp have this attitude? They have winner's mindsets. Take a cue from people who know how to win.
"Terran is the weakest race"
-MVP
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On September 21 2012 12:38 Starshaped wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 12:18 JackReacher wrote: This thread is making me sick. Mediocre no-name master league players feeding their ego with excuses for why they lose and why they can't compete with top players and such. Want to know the difference between you and GM/pro Terrans who win tournaments? You cry about imbalance, your race being "the hardest" or any amount of bs needed to rationalize why you aren't playing up to your unrealistic expectations about how good you think you are, while they blame losses on themselves not being good enough, which motivates them to practice more. They end up practicing all day, and you end up on here posting about why you are good but your race is just "unfairly nerfed".
This is simply the mindset of a loser. Do you think Taeja or Mvp have this attitude? They have winner's mindsets. Take a cue from people who know how to win. "Terran is the weakest race" -MVP
lol straight from the horse's mouth
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On September 21 2012 12:25 teamhozac wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 12:18 JackReacher wrote: This thread is making me sick. Mediocre no-name master league players feeding their ego with excuses for why they lose and why they can't compete with top players and such. Want to know the difference between you and GM/pro Terrans who win tournaments? You cry about imbalance, your race being "the hardest" or any amount of bs needed to rationalize why you aren't playing up to your unrealistic expectations about how good you think you are, while they blame losses on themselves not being good enough, which motivates them to practice more. They end up practicing all day, and you end up on here posting about why you are good but your race is just "unfairly nerfed".
This is simply the mindset of a loser. Do you think Taeja or Mvp have this attitude? They have winner's mindsets. Take a cue from people who know how to win. Talk about completely missing the point. Not everyone has time to practice like a pro guy, this is the NA ladder, a pretty casual place for the most part, the fact that Terran is waaay under represented goes to show you that Terran is not for the casual player A casual player shouldn't give a damn about his rank and you are matched up with other players based on your MMR so those casuals shouldn't give a flying fuck about the distribution of race in the highest levels.
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"Terrans are just fine" quoted from David Kim. No matter how many terran exist, he can always give us the 50% winning rate bullshit. With magic constant 50% winning rate all the terrans from mater league are dropping to diamond or changed their race? A little bit curious why he hasnt got fired considering such mess in ladder now.
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On September 21 2012 12:18 JackReacher wrote: This thread is making me sick. Mediocre no-name master league players feeding their ego with excuses for why they lose and why they can't compete with top players and such. Want to know the difference between you and GM/pro Terrans who win tournaments? You cry about imbalance, your race being "the hardest" or any amount of bs needed to rationalize why you aren't playing up to your unrealistic expectations about how good you think you are, while they blame losses on themselves not being good enough, which motivates them to practice more. They end up practicing all day, and you end up on here posting about why you are good but your race is just "unfairly nerfed".
This is simply the mindset of a loser. Do you think Taeja or Mvp have this attitude? They have winner's mindsets. Take a cue from people who know how to win.
exactly sir.. Most terran whiners here just keep saying "We need to get perfect positioning, micro" but when you look back at your replays, most things you do are more decision related mistakes, like losing your army, suiciding banshees and hellions to kill workers, doing the least important stuff. These whiners are so pessimistic that they forget that terran units are actually cost effective, if used in the correct situation it could be better than its z/p counterparts. Other races have troubles also. All you do is look at the statistics that won't help you improve your game...close this thread, it makes me sick also. Shut the fuck up.
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Terran is the master race. 1 mistake and you're dead, but that's what it means to play a beautiful game.
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I personally agree. I stopped laddering seriously since +- the queen buff. Ive been playing a lot less, mostly team games and costums with friends.
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I play only Terran and I think Terran being the hardest race to play is true when it comes to micro, positioning, army control, and possibly macro. When it comes to building units though, Terran has it easy as we can just queue units. It's not like Zerg where if you miss an inject, you're doomed. Or like Protoss where if you forget to warp in units, you can't warp in again for a while after your warp in round.
In TvZ, I find that I'm forced to play greedy blindly. A lot of pros do too imo. Look at how many of them are going up to 3 CC with just a handful of production units against Zerg. If the Zerg decides to change it up and baneling bust, imo, there's a good chance that the Zerg will win the game. Stay with 2 CC for a while and the Zerg goes up to 3rd, well they'll just power overwhelm you. And let's not even get to the late game against TvZ and TvP.
As a Terran player, I feel that we have to play in the early to mid to early late game. Go to the super late game and unless you're half as good as the pros, good luck to you trying to win against a tech switching Zerg (BL to Ultras) or Protoss (Colossi to HT).
On September 21 2012 12:59 Discarder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 12:18 JackReacher wrote: This thread is making me sick. Mediocre no-name master league players feeding their ego with excuses for why they lose and why they can't compete with top players and such. Want to know the difference between you and GM/pro Terrans who win tournaments? You cry about imbalance, your race being "the hardest" or any amount of bs needed to rationalize why you aren't playing up to your unrealistic expectations about how good you think you are, while they blame losses on themselves not being good enough, which motivates them to practice more. They end up practicing all day, and you end up on here posting about why you are good but your race is just "unfairly nerfed".
This is simply the mindset of a loser. Do you think Taeja or Mvp have this attitude? They have winner's mindsets. Take a cue from people who know how to win. exactly sir.. Most terran whiners here just keep saying "We need to get perfect positioning, micro" but when you look back at your replays, most things you do are more decision related mistakes, like losing your army, suiciding banshees and hellions to kill workers, doing the least important stuff. These whiners are so pessimistic that they forget that terran units are actually cost effective, if used in the correct situation it could be better than its z/p counterparts. Other races have troubles also. All you do is look at the statistics that won't help you improve your game...close this thread, it makes me sick also. Shut the fuck up. Please show me a game where Terrans have beaten a Zerg recently without keeping their drones or creep in check.
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switching to terran re this post
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Um, if every single league has similar stats then that is pretty well balanced... there is just more players playing one race over another ~.~
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refer to races in code S. game is fine
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On September 21 2012 10:40 sekritzzz wrote: Its a bit hilarious how all these people are throwing random conclusions such as "terran is a hard race to play, thus less people play it". Its as if sc2 came out a month ago. For people who didn't know terran was quite popular back in the day.... and zerg was played at a 20%~ rate.
Bam. Dropped the knowledge.
Personally thinking about switching but zvz looks more fun to learn than tvt
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On September 21 2012 13:22 Sabu113 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 10:40 sekritzzz wrote: Its a bit hilarious how all these people are throwing random conclusions such as "terran is a hard race to play, thus less people play it". Its as if sc2 came out a month ago. For people who didn't know terran was quite popular back in the day.... and zerg was played at a 20%~ rate. Bam. Dropped the knowledge. Personally thinking about switching but zvz looks more fun to learn than tvt I prefer TvT over ZvZ any day. ZvZ is a bitch even with my (small) random advantage.
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On September 21 2012 12:59 Discarder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 12:18 JackReacher wrote: This thread is making me sick. Mediocre no-name master league players feeding their ego with excuses for why they lose and why they can't compete with top players and such. Want to know the difference between you and GM/pro Terrans who win tournaments? You cry about imbalance, your race being "the hardest" or any amount of bs needed to rationalize why you aren't playing up to your unrealistic expectations about how good you think you are, while they blame losses on themselves not being good enough, which motivates them to practice more. They end up practicing all day, and you end up on here posting about why you are good but your race is just "unfairly nerfed".
This is simply the mindset of a loser. Do you think Taeja or Mvp have this attitude? They have winner's mindsets. Take a cue from people who know how to win. exactly sir.. Most terran whiners here just keep saying "We need to get perfect positioning, micro" but when you look back at your replays, most things you do are more decision related mistakes, like losing your army, suiciding banshees and hellions to kill workers, doing the least important stuff. These whiners are so pessimistic that they forget that terran units are actually cost effective, if used in the correct situation it could be better than its z/p counterparts. Other races have troubles also. All you do is look at the statistics that won't help you improve your game...close this thread, it makes me sick also. Shut the fuck up.
I agree that ppl shouldn't blame their amateur losses on racial imbalance, but its funny how you say guys say or agree with things like 'do you think Taeja or Mvp have this attitude' when just a few posts above you someone quoted MVP saying he thinks terran is the weakest race. During the early days of sc2, zerg whine was just there in the air. Encountering it was just a part of playing sc2 competitively, at any level. Even these days you encounter zergs on ladder who boast about how difficult their race is to play. People getting frustrated and complaining is forgiveable. You know what's not forgiveable-- being so dense as to say "pros don't complain" when there is so much evidence that they too get frustrated and complain. Evidence... that was posted in the very same thread, in the very same page, from the very same player who you so grossly misrepresent.
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While qq is not the best strategy in the world why do protoss and zergs feel the need to come in and just hate on everything. Every time the races move in terms of which is strong etc the weakest race gets sad and the stronger races come in and go its not the race you suck get better. No one is really responding to the op anymore, but on that note I think terrans are under represented because the terran late game army is hard to control, and previously terran was stronger and much easier to win with. With the various nerfs terran is now harder to play and no one likes losing/feeling like they are getting worse instead of better, so they switched races. Im not trying to complain about it, ive been having these troubles but its not like I cant switch races, its like playing top tier in a fighting came except its nowhere near that level of difference. Anyways im sure someone is gonna come in and tell me the game is perfectly balanced at all levels and I need to shut the fuck up and play better, you shut the fuck up and play worse so I can get back to masters.
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On September 21 2012 11:34 Artifex Magnus wrote: It's only indicative of population... not skill... True to an extent, but wrong overall. If the proportion of terran players is around 30% at levels below masters (that was the figure given for bronze, but let's assume it's close to that for all levels between bronze and diamond) and the players in masters/grand-masters is more like ~25%, then it is balance or skill or what have you, not just a question of player numbers.
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