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A Texas teenager who has been in jail since March faces an eight-year prison sentence because of a threatening joke he made while playing an online video game. In February, Justin Carter was playing “League of Legends” — an online, multiplayer fantasy game — when another player wrote a comment calling him insane. Carter’s response, which he now deeply regrets, was intended as joke. “He replied ‘Oh yeah, I’m real messed up in the head, I’m going to go shoot up a school full of kids and eat their still, beating hearts,’ and the next two lines were lol and jk,” said Jack Carter, Justin’s father, in a statement to a local news channel. The statements “lol” and “jk” — meaning “laughing out loud” and “just kidding” — indicate that Justin’s statement was entirely sarcastic, said his father. But a Canadian woman who saw the post looked up Carter’s Austin address, determined that it was near an elementary school, and called the police. Carter was arrested one month later, and has been in jail ever since. He recently celebrated his 19th birthday behind bars. Authorities charged him with making a terrorist threat. If convicted, he will face eight years in prison. “These people are serious. They really want my son to go away to jail for a sarcastic comment that he made,” said the elder Carter. Authorities noted that recent school shootings like the one in Newtown, Connecticut have caused them to evaluate all potential threats seriously. Newtown was still fresh in their minds at the time of Carter’s arrest. “In light of recent situations, statements such as the one Justin made are taken seriously,” said an Austin police detective in a statement. Carter’s father said his son didn’t follow the news at all. “Justin was the kind of kid who didn’t read the newspaper,” said Jack Carter. “He didn’t watch television. He wasn’t aware of current events. These kids, they don’t realize what they’re doing. They don’t understand the implications. They don’t understand.” Carter’s parents have launched a change.org petition to convince Texas Attorney General Greg Abbot to release their son. “Release Justin Carter from jail,” the petition reads. “Too many teenagers are being arrested, jailed and having their lives forever altered because of anti-terrorism laws and investigations that impede their 1st Amendment right to freedom of speech.” Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/27/texas-teen-makes-violent-joke-during-video-game-is-jailed-for-months/#ixzz2XhMeu0EG
source: http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/27/texas-teen-makes-violent-joke-during-video-game-is-jailed-for-months/
more extensive article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/27/teenager-justin-carter-facebook-comment-jail_n_3512025.html
Note that he has already been in custody since february!
This is so ridicolous.
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Only in Texas would something so fucking retarded be allowed to happen. Absolutely stupid
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Wow, this is actually stupid imo. I have had so many comments in just about all multiplayer video games that could be seen as a "terrorist threat". Does that mean thousands of people need to be imprisoned?
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as a LOL player, i think this kid deserves everything he gets. Does any1 buy that this kid had no clue of the Newtown Shootings? He must be living under a rock.
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Well, you never know with these LoL players...
On June 30 2013 20:37 edlover420 wrote:Show nested quote +But a Canadian woman who saw the post looked up Carter’s Austin address, determined that it was near an elementary school, and called the police. Anyway, how did she find out the name and address?
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Damn I'm glad I'm not american, I would face a 200 years + jail sentence for BM too
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On June 30 2013 20:44 czylu wrote: as a LOL player, i think this kid deserves everything he gets. Does any1 buy that this kid had no clue of the Newtown Shootings? He must be living under a rock. Mild trolling, 8 years in prison. Seems reasonable.
Jesus Christ what is wrong with you?
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On June 30 2013 20:44 Lucumo wrote:Well, you never know with these LoL players... Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 20:37 edlover420 wrote:But a Canadian woman who saw the post looked up Carter’s Austin address, determined that it was near an elementary school, and called the police. Anyway, how did she find out the name and address?
this is a better article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/27/teenager-justin-carter-facebook-comment-jail_n_3512025.html
He made a post on facebook, and the idiot probably made it public. It wasn't like he said it in game.
On June 30 2013 20:47 Subversive wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 20:44 czylu wrote: as a LOL player, i think this kid deserves everything he gets. Does any1 buy that this kid had no clue of the Newtown Shootings? He must be living under a rock. Mild trolling, 8 years in prison. Seems reasonable. Jesus Christ what is wrong with you?
It's called context and time frame. The kid did this in February, barely 2 months from when a 19 year old grabbed a rifle and killed 30 people in an elementary school. This close to a nationally covered mass shooting, there is no DA/Cop in the country that was gonna let a statement like that go unpunished. And frankly, the kid deserves some jail time for being that stupid.
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If someone says think like that, he cant be normal. I think it is good that they take care of him before he would actually do something terrible over frustration about video game, but I think Psychiatric hospital would be better decision then jail.
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Well I doubt this will go trough. Come back when he actually is convicted and I will be outraged.
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Why would they jail him, and not send him to psych eval? After all, he said he's messed up in the head. Or is that the part that the authorities are assigning the "lol, jk" part to?
Seems a little harsh given the info presented. Perhaps there's more behind the story?
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Who the hell says something like that though anyway, but still stupid though to jail him for it.
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On June 30 2013 20:48 czylu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 20:44 Lucumo wrote:Well, you never know with these LoL players... On June 30 2013 20:37 edlover420 wrote:But a Canadian woman who saw the post looked up Carter’s Austin address, determined that it was near an elementary school, and called the police. Anyway, how did she find out the name and address? this is a better article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/27/teenager-justin-carter-facebook-comment-jail_n_3512025.htmlHe made a post on facebook, and the idiot probably made it public. It wasn't like he said it in game. Article in OP's post is very misleading.
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On June 30 2013 20:48 Lurtzer wrote: If someone says think like that, he cant be normal. I think it is good that they take care of him before he would actually do something terrible over frustration about video game, but I think Psychiatric hospital would be better decision then jail.
Yeah because what you say and what you believe are always, ALWAYS identical...
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what the f*** ??? If this is a precedent, the police will arrest thousands of more people for similar comments.
Since forever activists warn about the danger that innocent citizens will get pursued as terrorists and charged with insane sentences. This is a new low point and needs to be stoped. People need to stand up and actually fight for this to be stoped.
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On June 30 2013 20:48 Lurtzer wrote: If someone says think like that, he cant be normal. I think it is good that they take care of him before he would actually do something terrible over frustration about video game, but I think Psychiatric hospital would be better decision then jail.
Since making a really stupid joke seems enough reason for you to imprison people (psychiatry for sane people is a kind of prison imo), you would have authors who write psychotic characters also put in psychiatric hospitals?
[edit: just as one of the many examples how that reasoning doesn't seem appropriate ... ]
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On June 30 2013 20:38 arb wrote: Only in Texas would something so fucking retarded be allowed to happen. Absolutely stupid
is this a terrorist-threat against texas?
on a more serious note, what i wanted to comment on was the remark that "these kids don't know what they're doing / implications."
that's irrelevant, because even if he knew exactly what kind of effect such a comment might have on other people, he should be free to state it in the way he did.
some may say that one shouldn't joke about these things. in my opinion THAT'S exactly the reason why you should, because it breaks the silence. and worst part about it is, even if this is proven to neither have the motive nor the opportunity/equipment etc to do such a thing and is still in jail, some fucks will think they've done something good and just and contributed to solving the problem.
makes me sick.
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Meh, bring it back up if he's actually convicted (of anything at all).
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Well, he did post it on an public forum (Facebook) and as thus it should be considered an terrorism threat in my opinion since it's what it in fact is. He'll face a trial and if considered innocent he'll be released, to be honest I consider it a win-win situation. If he's considered a public threat he'll be locked away and if he's not he has learned a valuable leason.
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On June 30 2013 20:53 DannyJ wrote: Meh, bring it back up if he's actually convicted (of anything at all).
He's been in jail for 4 months now...
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On June 30 2013 20:53 zul wrote: what the f*** ??? If this is a precedent, the police will arrest thousands of more people for similar comments.
Since forever activists warn about the danger that innocent citizens will get pursued as terrorists and charged with insane sentences. This is a new low point and needs to be stoped. People need to stand up and actually fight for this to be stoped.
See here's the thing:
The average folk, as depicted by our poster Lurtzer in this very thread, will not fight for freedom of speech because they don't understand concepts like "Devil's advocate", or more relevantly to this case, just spouting bullshit due to frustration for a few minutes before settling down. They legitimately believe that anyone who makes such comments actually has a problem...
-_-
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On June 30 2013 20:48 Lurtzer wrote: If someone says think like that, he cant be normal. I think it is good that they take care of him before he would actually do something terrible over frustration about video game, but I think Psychiatric hospital would be better decision then jail.
So that should also count for all the people who say things like "get cancer" and "I hope you parents die" and other things when raging over a loss? And what about the imba imba flames, because those people are also getting frustrated because of a video game? so where do you draw the line?
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On June 30 2013 20:54 Jek wrote: Well, he did post it on an public forum (Facebook) and as thus it should be considered an terrorism threat in my opinion since it's what it in fact is. He'll face a trial and if considered innocent he'll be released, to be honest I consider it a win-win situation. If he's considered a public threat he'll be locked away and if he's not he has learned a valuable leason.
Are IdrA, Nerchio, Destiny etc terrorists too?
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On June 30 2013 20:53 DannyJ wrote: Meh, bring it back up if he's actually convicted (of anything at all).
Really? The fact that this kid spent his 19th birthday behind bars for a statement so obviously sarcastic doesnt bother you? This is just idiotic ^^
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On June 30 2013 20:57 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 20:54 Jek wrote: Well, he did post it on an public forum (Facebook) and as thus it should be considered an terrorism threat in my opinion since it's what it in fact is. He'll face a trial and if considered innocent he'll be released, to be honest I consider it a win-win situation. If he's considered a public threat he'll be locked away and if he's not he has learned a valuable leason. Are IdrA, Nerchio, Destiny etc terrorists too?
IdrA needs to immediately be arrested for making terroristic threats against David Kim.
/sarcasm
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On June 30 2013 20:55 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 20:53 DannyJ wrote: Meh, bring it back up if he's actually convicted (of anything at all). He's been in jail for 4 months now...
Ahh didn't read carefully enough.
That's pretty crazy... and thought the US was impervious to UK/Euro style assaults on freedom of speech...
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Great.. now we'll have people threatening with legal action whenever mid lane is lost
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On June 30 2013 20:57 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 20:54 Jek wrote: Well, he did post it on an public forum (Facebook) and as thus it should be considered an terrorism threat in my opinion since it's what it in fact is. He'll face a trial and if considered innocent he'll be released, to be honest I consider it a win-win situation. If he's considered a public threat he'll be locked away and if he's not he has learned a valuable leason. Are IdrA, Nerchio, Destiny etc terrorists too? Are they threatning the public, with what is in fact an act of terrorism? Being charged is not equal to being a terrorist.
Consider saying his statement in public, wouldn't you be concerned? I would. There's a precendence for these kind of statements being written online, Breivik for instance, I'd rather the goverment follow up on these cases and potentially prevent a tragedy than writing all threats off as freedom of speech.
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On June 30 2013 20:48 czylu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 20:47 Subversive wrote:On June 30 2013 20:44 czylu wrote: as a LOL player, i think this kid deserves everything he gets. Does any1 buy that this kid had no clue of the Newtown Shootings? He must be living under a rock. Mild trolling, 8 years in prison. Seems reasonable. Jesus Christ what is wrong with you? It's called context and time frame. The kid did this in February, barely 2 months from when a 19 year old grabbed a rifle and killed 30 people in an elementary school. This close to a nationally covered mass shooting, there is no DA/Cop in the country that was gonna let a statement like that go unpunished. And frankly, the kid deserves some jail time for being that stupid.
There is nothing stupid about ignoring the rampant misinformation and political propaganda that constitutes conventional news sources. In fact the people who are stupid are those who watch that pathetic glorification of criminals (the fact taht they're getting this much public attention is the reason why they do retarded acts like this anyway) and disgusting politicization regarding gun control laws and so on...
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On June 30 2013 21:00 Jek wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 20:57 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 20:54 Jek wrote: Well, he did post it on an public forum (Facebook) and as thus it should be considered an terrorism threat in my opinion since it's what it in fact is. He'll face a trial and if considered innocent he'll be released, to be honest I consider it a win-win situation. If he's considered a public threat he'll be locked away and if he's not he has learned a valuable leason. Are IdrA, Nerchio, Destiny etc terrorists too? Are they threatning the public, with what is in fact an act of terrorism? Being charged is not equal to being a terrorist. Consider saying his statement in public, wouldn't you be concerned? I would. There's a precendence for these kind of statements being written online, Breivik for instance, I'd rather the goverment follow up on these cases and potentially prevent a tragedy than writing all threats off as freedom of speech.
Instant jailing still seems hard to me. I mean meaybe very maybe sending someone out to check this kid out and sending him to a therapist, but immediate jail? I mean imagine if you bm someone and suddenly a police force stands outside and takes you away? Wouldn't that be fun?
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On June 30 2013 20:54 Jek wrote: Well, he did post it on an public forum (Facebook) and as thus it should be considered an terrorism threat in my opinion since it's what it in fact is. He'll face a trial and if considered innocent he'll be released, to be honest I consider it a win-win situation. If he's considered a public threat he'll be locked away and if he's not he has learned a valuable leason.
yea and the other guy should go to prison for slander right? today ppl go to prison for jokes, tomorrow for thought-crime. /clap
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On June 30 2013 21:00 Jek wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 20:57 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 20:54 Jek wrote: Well, he did post it on an public forum (Facebook) and as thus it should be considered an terrorism threat in my opinion since it's what it in fact is. He'll face a trial and if considered innocent he'll be released, to be honest I consider it a win-win situation. If he's considered a public threat he'll be locked away and if he's not he has learned a valuable leason. Are IdrA, Nerchio, Destiny etc terrorists too? Are they threatning the public, with what is in fact an act of terrorism? Being charged is not equal to being a terrorist. Consider saying his statement in public, wouldn't you be concerned? I would. There's a precendence for these kind of statements being written online, Breivik for instance, I'd rather the goverment follow up on these cases and potentially prevent a tragedy than writing all threats off as freedom of speech.
So how about do some research into this kid and his background instead of just throwing his ass into jail?
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I'm all for some real consequences for saying senseless things online, but this is a bit over the top...
Maybe shutting him off from internet for a year or two, and give him some social work or something. Maybe some fine to the other people that got upset. That would be around right level of punishment I guess.
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Not being very knowledgeable about the US justice system, I hope someone can tell me why the 1st ammendment didn't cover this? I saw the 1st ammendment briefly mentioned in the OP but not any reasons for why they could imprison him despite it.
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The good ol' internet growing pains. For too long the internet has been a place where you can harass people endlessly with no repercussions and it has to stop. That said, once the establishment gets their claws into anything it becomes a matter of life and death. Over the next fifty years or so I think we will find some balance on the scale between cyber bullying teens into suicide and ridiculous legal shenanigans like this.
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Since I've spawned quite a few replies I'll try to address them in one post as well as I can.
@MasterOfPuppters: In my opinion he should have been thrown directly into psychiatric hospital and evaluation for the time being. A psychiatric hospital isn't as bad as people appearently think - I've been there, trust me it's not like One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
@Scares: No it wouldn't be fun. It wouldn't be fun either if he made actions of his statements.
@SparC: Slander isn't anything like making public statements about slaughtering kids.
I do consider keeping him in jail for that long to be preposterous. It does not take that long to make a psychiatric evaluation or search his house for evidence.
To be honest I think people are too quick about writing everything off as freedom of speech, but that'd be a discussion for another thread I suppose.
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On June 30 2013 21:04 Cascade wrote: I'm all for some real consequences for saying senseless things online, but this is a bit over the top...
Maybe shutting him off from internet for a year or two, and give him some social work or something. Maybe some fine to the other people that got upset. That would be around right level of punishment I guess.
once you start with that, it'll never stop there. sooner or later it becomes ciminal if you disagree with your countries politics or whatever. it's always the same, it's not like this kind of stuff hasn't happened before.
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Even without "lol" and "jk" what he said is already so crazy you can't take that shit seriously, even less if you are a cop and deal with real dangerous people day to day. A kid saying one single silly phrase, without anything to back it up (guns, training, plans, anything) and you call that a terrorist threat? What what what
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time to do some satanic stuff in texas, ill eat the heart of a thousand virgins lol jk
This is really fucked up if you can't even make bad jokes on the internet... I guess those people believe anything on the internet
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The Tribunal has returned!
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This could really cut down on the shittiest BM players in online games, which would be nice, but sadly, it's clearly way the fuck too insane a punishment.
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On June 30 2013 21:10 Jek wrote:Since I've spawned quite a few replies I'll try to address them in one post as well as I can. @MasterOfPuppters: In my opinion he should have been thrown directly into psychiatric hospital and evaluation for the time being. A psychiatric hospital isn't as bad as people appearently think - I've been there, trust me it's not like One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. @Scares: No it wouldn't be fun. It wouldn't be fun either if he made actions of his statements. @SparC: Slander isn't anything like making public statements about slaughtering kids. I do consider keeping him in jail for that long to be preposterous. It does not take that long to make a psychiatric evaluation or search his house for evidence. To be honest I think people are too quick about writing everything off as freedom of speech, but that'd be a discussion for another thread I suppose.
if this was a public threat than it was also public slander. where do you draw the line? what is just barely ok to say in public and what more has to change so someone will get imprisoned for joking?
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I dont know about this case. To me its clear he doesnt deserve 8 years for saying offensive remarks on the internet. However, saying to shoot up a school and living near a school is a bad idea. So it comes Down to that people better watch what they say.
Spewing random stuff on the internet, thinking they are immune should be punished.
But 8 years is way too much. I think the almost 6 months he have spend in jail is more then enough to make him rethink his life. Making 9/11 jokes and saying to shoot up schools isnt funny. I bet that kid isnt lol'ing anymore.
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I'm absolutely shocked at the idiocy and moral depravity of some of the commenters here. How can any reasonable person seriously think that someone making a bad joke deserves to be locked in prison where there's a good chance he'll be beaten or raped? Frankly, the only ones who deserve some jail time are the uniformed thugs who who threw this kid in prison and sociopaths who made laws that allow this.
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On June 30 2013 21:17 TheRealArtemis wrote: I dont know about this case. To me its clear he doesnt deserve 8 years for saying offensive remarks on the internet. However, saying to shoot up a school and living near a school is a bad idea. So it comes Down to that people better watch what they say.
Spewing random stuff on the internet, thinking they are immune should be punished.
But 8 years is way too much. I think the almost 6 months he have spend in jail is more then enough to make him rethink his life. Making 9/11 jokes and saying to shoot up schools isnt funny. I bet that kid isnt lol'ing anymore.
if it isn't funny, just don't laugh
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On June 30 2013 21:10 Jek wrote:Since I've spawned quite a few replies I'll try to address them in one post as well as I can. @MasterOfPuppters: In my opinion he should have been thrown directly into psychiatric hospital and evaluation for the time being. A psychiatric hospital isn't as bad as people appearently think - I've been there, trust me it's not like One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. @Scares: No it wouldn't be fun. It wouldn't be fun either if he made actions of his statements. @SparC: Slander isn't anything like making public statements about slaughtering kids. I do consider keeping him in jail for that long to be preposterous. It does not take that long to make a psychiatric evaluation or search his house for evidence. To be honest I think people are too quick about writing everything off as freedom of speech, but that'd be a discussion for another thread I suppose.
The only people who need psychiatric treatment are those who fail so miserably at discerning between obvious venting and a legitimate terrorist threat or even violence threat in general. Honestly, there's NOTHING ambiguous here...
On June 30 2013 21:17 Drunken.Jedi wrote: I'm absolutely shocked at the idiocy and moral depravity of some of the commenters here. How can any reasonable person seriously think that someone making a bad joke deserves to be locked in prison where there's a good chance he'll be beaten or raped? Frankly, the only ones who deserve some jail time are the uniformed thugs who who threw this kid in prison and sociopaths who made laws that allow this.
^ This.
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I know so many people who would've to be arrested for making threats in online games... oh my god only in the US or I guess Texas is it possible. I can't believe it and still kinda think this has to be a joke. He is in jail since february? I am too shocked to express my thoughts.
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texas + americans = mongo bongos
User was warned for this post
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On June 30 2013 21:14 Erasme wrote: time to do some satanic stuff in texas, ill eat the heart of a thousand virgins lol jk
This is really fucked up if you can't even make bad jokes on the internet... I guess those people believe anything on the internet
I'm calling the cops right now.
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This is so over the top that you just can't believe it being true.
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i also love the point "well he lives close to school" lol what? so if he lived a couple of blocks further away noone would've cared? are you even thinking about what you're saying? why dont we build schools 10miles outside the cities, then there would never be a shooting ! PROBLEM SOLVED GUYS !
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He will be 27 with no job skills, no higher education, and nothing but bad peers when he gets out. A life ruined because someone took a bad joke seriously.
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On June 30 2013 21:23 Musicus wrote: I know so many people who would've to be arrested for making threats in online games... oh my god only in the US or I guess Texas is it possible. I can't believe it and still kinda think this has to be a joke. He is in jail since february? I am too shocked to express my thoughts.
It wasn't in a game, it was on facebook, at least according to most reports.
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@SparC: Well, if he's proven innocent I wouldn't mind if he charged the lady with public slandering. Again, I think throwing him into a prison (do we know if this is a closed or open prison?) is an overreaction and would rather see him in mental evaluation and in a hospital/being in observation for the time being. They should have been able to reach a conclussion much faster.
@Drunken.Jedi: I doubt he's thrown into a jail where there's a good chance he'll be beaten or raped. First of all, how does one know it's a bad joke? How does you know he does not have a mental disorder, where immediate treatment is a great benefit for him and his surroundings.
@MasterOfPuppets: How do you KNOW there's nothing in it?
To be honest, I don't know how to phrase this without sounding arrogant so please bear with me, I don't think the people in uproar has any idea how it is to have a mental disorder - which this kid might very well have - I have a bipolar disorder which if I forget my meds and trigger a fully-blown manic period I have the potential to be a threat to myself and my surroundings, I'm glad to know I have a red mark in my journal which allows the officials to by force, if needed, put me into a hospital.
Basically I think this kind of actions should be followed up on immediately, and the investigation should be swift so we don't have innocent people sitting incarcerated for this long.
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On June 30 2013 21:00 Jek wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 20:57 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 20:54 Jek wrote: Well, he did post it on an public forum (Facebook) and as thus it should be considered an terrorism threat in my opinion since it's what it in fact is. He'll face a trial and if considered innocent he'll be released, to be honest I consider it a win-win situation. If he's considered a public threat he'll be locked away and if he's not he has learned a valuable leason. Are IdrA, Nerchio, Destiny etc terrorists too? Are they threatning the public, with what is in fact an act of terrorism? Being charged is not equal to being a terrorist. Consider saying his statement in public, wouldn't you be concerned? I would. There's a precendence for these kind of statements being written online, Breivik for instance, I'd rather the goverment follow up on these cases and potentially prevent a tragedy than writing all threats off as freedom of speech.
This has nothing to do with terrorism, and shoot outs in general should not be confused with terrorism.
According to 18 USC § 2331: (5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that— (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State; (B) appear to be intended— (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.
While (ii) and (iii) can both be immediately dismissed, as his motives are obviously not political motivated, it is also evident that his motives are no to "intimidate or coerce a civilian population", given the fact that this "threat" was targeted towards a single person. Also i highly doubt that jokes, which it obviously was, is considered an act of terror.
Would i be concerned if this was said in public? Yes of course i would. But seeing that this was in fact said during a game of League of Legends, i see no reason for alarm. If every threat that was uttered in an online multiplayer game, every other person who ever touched a video game would have to go to jail.
I feel sorry for Justin Carter and i am happy that i am not born in a place where the legal system is such an abomination.
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On June 30 2013 21:26 Jek wrote: @SparC: Well, if he's proven innocent I wouldn't mind if he charged the lady with public slandering. Again, I think throwing him into a prison (do we know if this is a closed or open prison?) is an overreaction and would rather see him in mental evaluation and in a hospital/being in observation for the time being. They should have been able to reach a conclussion much faster.
@Drunken.Jedi: I doubt he's thrown into a jail where there's a good chance he'll be beaten or raped. First of all, how does one know it's a bad joke? How does you know he does not have a mental disorder, where immediate treatment is a great benefit for him and his surroundings.
To be honest, I don't know how to phrase this without sounding arrogant so please bear with me, I don't think the people in uproar has any idea how it is to have a mental disorder - which this kid might very well have - I have a bipolar disorder which if I forget my meds I have the potential to be a threat to myself and my surroundings, I'm glad to know I have a red mark in my journal which allows the officials to by force, if needed, put me into a hospital.
exactly, we should just imprison and double/triple check everyone who only hints the smallest kind of threat no matter in what way. bravo
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At first I wanna say it's just a sensationalist headline and that there's no way he's actually going to jail, but since he's been in jail 4 months already it's justified calling it absolutely insane. Only in America (no offense to anyone).
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Peoples common sense has been declining lately. Too much fear of people following law too sensitively. People have too much time in their hands plus easy access to law.
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On June 30 2013 21:29 Prog455 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:00 Jek wrote:On June 30 2013 20:57 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 20:54 Jek wrote: Well, he did post it on an public forum (Facebook) and as thus it should be considered an terrorism threat in my opinion since it's what it in fact is. He'll face a trial and if considered innocent he'll be released, to be honest I consider it a win-win situation. If he's considered a public threat he'll be locked away and if he's not he has learned a valuable leason. Are IdrA, Nerchio, Destiny etc terrorists too? Are they threatning the public, with what is in fact an act of terrorism? Being charged is not equal to being a terrorist. Consider saying his statement in public, wouldn't you be concerned? I would. There's a precendence for these kind of statements being written online, Breivik for instance, I'd rather the goverment follow up on these cases and potentially prevent a tragedy than writing all threats off as freedom of speech. This has nothing to do with terrorism, and shoot outs in general should not be confused with terrorism. According to 18 USC § 2331: (5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that— (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State; (B) appear to be intended— (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States. While (ii) and (iii) can both be immediately dismissed, as his motives are obviously not political motivated, it is also evident that his motives are no to "intimidate or coerce a civilian population", given the fact that this "threat" was targeted towards a single person. Also i highly doubt that jokes, which it obviously was, is considered an act of terror. Would i be concerned if this was said in public? Yes of course i would. But seeing that this was in fact said during a game of League of Legends, i see no reason for alarm. If every threat that was uttered in an online multiplayer game, every other person who ever touched a video game would have to go to jail.I feel sorry for Justin Carter and i am happy that i am not born in a place where the legal system is such an abomination. It was written on Facebook, which is a public forum. There is a history of this acts of terrorism being posted on various online forums.
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On June 30 2013 21:25 DannyJ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:23 Musicus wrote: I know so many people who would've to be arrested for making threats in online games... oh my god only in the US or I guess Texas is it possible. I can't believe it and still kinda think this has to be a joke. He is in jail since february? I am too shocked to express my thoughts. It wasn't in a game, it was on facebook, at least according to most reports.
Ah ok, well threats on the internet then. But quite frankly even if I went to the next school and shouted something like he did write, that sentence wouldn't be justified. Usually the police would arrest you, ask a few questions, see you don't even have weapons and are no threat, warn you and maybe charge you with a fine and that's it. Having to pay 1000 bucks should be enough to make a teenager think twice about making stupid comments like that. Holding him since february... I can't believe it.
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On June 30 2013 21:29 sparC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:26 Jek wrote: @SparC: Well, if he's proven innocent I wouldn't mind if he charged the lady with public slandering. Again, I think throwing him into a prison (do we know if this is a closed or open prison?) is an overreaction and would rather see him in mental evaluation and in a hospital/being in observation for the time being. They should have been able to reach a conclussion much faster.
@Drunken.Jedi: I doubt he's thrown into a jail where there's a good chance he'll be beaten or raped. First of all, how does one know it's a bad joke? How does you know he does not have a mental disorder, where immediate treatment is a great benefit for him and his surroundings.
To be honest, I don't know how to phrase this without sounding arrogant so please bear with me, I don't think the people in uproar has any idea how it is to have a mental disorder - which this kid might very well have - I have a bipolar disorder which if I forget my meds I have the potential to be a threat to myself and my surroundings, I'm glad to know I have a red mark in my journal which allows the officials to by force, if needed, put me into a hospital. exactly, we should just imprison and double/triple check everyone who only hints the smallest kind of threat no matter in what way. bravo I wouldn't consider threatning with killing and butchering kids a small kind of threat. It does not take long for a psychiatrist to do an evaluation or for the police to investigate his house, which should have happend swiftly.
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What a great idea to privatize prisons, so they earn money for each and every inmate. Absolutely brilliant.
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The american Justice System never ceases to amuse me. Especially Texas, especially Texas. Seriously what is wrong with you guys? This guy wrote a morbid comment and is being imprisoned because of it xd?
And a prison sentence is probably the best way to find out if he's nuts or not. Oh wait. I would never decide to live in a country that has a joke instead of a proper Justice System. How can americans stand this shit?
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I can't believe the police actually acted on this...then again the same thing happened in this country with the guy who made a joke about blowing up the airport on twitter.
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On June 30 2013 21:33 Banishment wrote: The american Justice System never ceases to amuse me. Especially Texas, especially Texas. Seriously what is wrong with you guys? This guy wrote a morbid comment and is being imprisoned because of it xd?
And a prison sentence is probably the best way to find out if he's nuts or not. Oh wait. I would never decide to live in a country that has a joke instead of a proper Justice System. How can americans stand this shit?
At this point it is safe to purchase shares of american prison companies, they will never go bankrupt. I guess many other politicians in the USA are already doing this, it would explain many things.
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wow, unbelievably ridiculous
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I cant tell which joke is worse; the one this kid made on facebook, or the fact that he was arrested for it.
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On June 30 2013 21:26 Jek wrote:
@MasterOfPuppets: How do you KNOW there's nothing in it?
To be honest, I don't know how to phrase this without sounding arrogant so please bear with me, I don't think the people in uproar has any idea how it is to have a mental disorder - which this kid might very well have - I have a bipolar disorder which if I forget my meds and trigger a fully-blown manic period I have the potential to be a threat to myself and my surroundings, I'm glad to know I have a red mark in my journal which allows the officials to by force, if needed, put me into a hospital.
Basically I think this kind of actions should be followed up on immediately, and the investigation should be swift so we don't have innocent people sitting incarcerated for this long.
Listen buddy, I don't know where you live, where you've lived, how you've lived or what you're doing on an online gaming forum while having such little experience with online gaming.
But I can tell you from my long history of multiplayer gaming, and the cumulated knowledge of everything I've seen, heard and experienced, that this isn't out of the ordinary. Hell, with XBox live's CoD and Halo, with League of Legends and other such casual-competitive games, it's even more prevalent now than it used to be. I've seen people rage like hell, and I hold nothing against them, fuck I'm not ashamed to admit that I've raged like hell too, and not only once. But it's ok. It's ok to be upset when someone on your team fucks up, or when you fuck up, or when you lose. It's ok, because it's passing. It's called competitive spirit, and anyone who's ever been competitive in anything, sports, board games, gambling, you name it, any of those people will at least understand the sentiment.
You for some reason, don't seem to. Therein lies the problem...
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Honestly it doesn't really matter wheere he said that. How many times havee you said something you did not even in the slightest bit mean it like that? I mean come on guys. Would you go to jail for saying something along the line like "I kill you!" cause you where joking to your friend and your neighbour heared it in another consense ?? Maybe in Texas you could go to jail.. fucking ridicioulus..
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Apparently the source quoted in the OP didn't state correct facts. He wrote the comments on facebook and not in a LOL game, which changes quite a lot.
Even still, I don't know about criminal law in U.S. when it comes to making threats but at least here in Sweden the context in which a ''threat'' was stated is essential, and considering the "threat" was made in a reply in an apparent sarcastic manner, and that he even typed "lol" and "jk", I can't see how there's even reason to start an investigation, let alone a prosecution. Being in jail for 4 months as a 18 year old without a trial is also a violation of fundamental human rights, but then again it's the U.S. were talking about.
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You know what a reasonable response to this "threat" would be? To have an investigation, which would determine if he was serious or not, which appears to be OBVIOUSLY NOT and let that be that. You have to investigate on the complaint in the context of Newtown, but to charge with a crime and possibly sentence the kid to 8 years? That's horribly unjust.
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On June 30 2013 21:41 PerryHooter wrote: Apparently the source quoted in the OP didn't state correct facts. He wrote the comments on facebook and not in a LOL game, which changes quite a lot.
Even still, I don't know about criminal law in U.S. when it comes to making threats but at least here in Sweden the context in which a ''threat'' was stated is essential, and considering the "threat" was made in a reply in an apparent sarcastic manner, and that he even typed "lol" and "jk", I can't see how there's even reason to start an investigation, let alone a prosecution. Being in jail for 4 months as a 18 year old without a trial is also a violation of fundamental human rights, but then again it's the U.S. were talking about.
Even then, it's far better and far more reasonable and intelligent to start an investigation before you throw some hapless kid into jail.
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It's one thing to investigate someone for saying something suspicious, there's completely another thing to actually try to jail him for clearly a sarcastic comment with no basis in reality. One can be reasonable the other is absurd.
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The handling of this is absurd.
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I think threats like that should be taken seriously, but eight years of imprisonment is a horrible over-reaction. If he's already been in custody for four months that should be enoguh, especially if he has gone through psychiatric examinations and such (don't know if it has happened but it definitely should).
In general internet threats are often bad jokes by ignorant kids, like in Finland after the two school shootings we had some 13year olds going crazy with writing dumb stuff on school blackboards etc. and some action should be taken. If it was only a horrible joke fining the person should be enough, but they should always be inspected by psychiatrist I think. If there is something wrong in the persons head then therapy etc should do the job, but 8 years in jail wont help anyone in cases like this.
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maybe we can finally get rid of the so called "trolling" which is nothing but an excuse to being a giant asshole to everyone else
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A valuable lesson to all. Don't say stupid shit on the internet. Its a bit unreasonable, but that is not a joke you make. Its sort of like posting "I'm building a bomb" and then just putting "JK, its totally fine". If you live near me, I'm still going to call someone to confirm you are not, in fact, building a bomb.
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On June 30 2013 21:00 Jek wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 20:57 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 20:54 Jek wrote: Well, he did post it on an public forum (Facebook) and as thus it should be considered an terrorism threat in my opinion since it's what it in fact is. He'll face a trial and if considered innocent he'll be released, to be honest I consider it a win-win situation. If he's considered a public threat he'll be locked away and if he's not he has learned a valuable leason. Are IdrA, Nerchio, Destiny etc terrorists too? Are they threatning the public, with what is in fact an act of terrorism? Being charged is not equal to being a terrorist. Consider saying his statement in public, wouldn't you be concerned? I would. There's a precendence for these kind of statements being written online, Breivik for instance, I'd rather the goverment follow up on these cases and potentially prevent a tragedy than writing all threats off as freedom of speech.
Breivik isn't a "precedent" to some kid making a silly comment on Facebook. Making off-color remarks on Facebook isn't an act of terrorism. Breivik had already been breaking the law for months before releasing his manifesto or whatever, by making explosives on a remote farm, while at the same time taking significant steps to keep his plan a secret. There are zero parallels to Breivik in this case.
Developments like this isn't that many steps away from 1984-style thought police... in which case - USA, it was nice knowing you :\
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On June 30 2013 21:46 Plansix wrote: A valuable lesson to all. Don't say stupid shit on the internet. Its a bit unreasonable, but that is not a joke you make. Its sort of like posting "I'm building a bomb" and then just putting "JK, its totally fine". If you live near me, I'm still going to call someone to confirm you are not, in fact, building a bomb.
It's ok to have someone confirm their intentions, it's NOT ok at all to jail them for numerous months (facing 8 years) without any form of investigation or background-check.
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so if u forget to logout from facebook and someone posts something like that on ur facebook, gonna get jailed son
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On June 30 2013 21:48 teddyoojo wrote: so if u forget to logout from facebook and someone posts something like that on ur facebook, gonna get jailed son What? Your made up scenario has nothing to do with the OP.
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On June 30 2013 21:48 teddyoojo wrote: so if u forget to logout from facebook and someone posts something like that on ur facebook, gonna get jailed son
if you're dumb enough to have such "friends" around you, you deserve your jailtime ;P
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On June 30 2013 21:46 Plansix wrote: A valuable lesson to all. Don't say stupid shit on the internet. Its a bit unreasonable, but that is not a joke you make. Its sort of like posting "I'm building a bomb" and then just putting "JK, its totally fine". If you live near me, I'm still going to call someone to confirm you are not, in fact, building a bomb.
Let's take it a bit further. The thread was about a kid going apeshit in a school, you suddenly talk about building bombs. Better send someone to check your house, because MAYBE there is a reason why you said bomb instead of something else.
Hm. Easier than i thought to be an american.
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On June 30 2013 21:46 Plansix wrote: A valuable lesson to all. Don't say stupid shit on the internet. Its a bit unreasonable, but that is not a joke you make. Its sort of like posting "I'm building a bomb" and then just putting "JK, its totally fine". If you live near me, I'm still going to call someone to confirm you are not, in fact, building a bomb.
If someone says "you are gonna get raped" at the start of the game, you better make sure you dont get raped...
(and i didnt mean that you call the authorities but win the game).
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Right. So George Carlin and Bill Hicks would deserves what, 9001 death penalties?
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On June 30 2013 21:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:46 Plansix wrote: A valuable lesson to all. Don't say stupid shit on the internet. Its a bit unreasonable, but that is not a joke you make. Its sort of like posting "I'm building a bomb" and then just putting "JK, its totally fine". If you live near me, I'm still going to call someone to confirm you are not, in fact, building a bomb. It's ok to have someone confirm their intentions, it's NOT ok at all to jail them for numerous months (facing 8 years) without any form of investigation or background-check. If I say that I am going to shoot someone and they believe me, I can be sent to jail, even if I did not intend to do so. Threats of doing something is still a crime.
I do agree that 8 years is a lot, though. Still, I need to know more and if he pushed it to trial, rather than plea out. And if that is the maximum sentence, then its not even a problem.
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Screw worrying about the NSA, I'm going to be scared that some creepy lady in Canada is going to google what I live by...
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On June 30 2013 21:42 NovaTheFeared wrote: You know what a reasonable response to this "threat" would be? To have an investigation, which would determine if he was serious or not, which appears to be OBVIOUSLY NOT and let that be that. You have to investigate on the complaint in the context of Newtown, but to charge with a crime and possibly sentence the kid to 8 years? That's horribly unjust.
This, seriously.
His actual speech is completely protected and not at all illegal in this context because his "threat" had no credibility and could not reasonably be argued to have been intended to incite a panic. If they want to convict him with a crime like "terrorist activities" (which would still be horribly inappropriate because a guy randomly shooting up a school is totally different from a terrorist doing it for political reasons, but the laws governing that stuff have become incredibly broad in scope so it might fit), they need hard evidence that he was actually planning some kind of attack.
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He might get convicted but he won't get eight years, court will look at the intention behind the threat and the persons willingness to actually carry it through. It's pretty obvious it was some stupid crap he just said, further it was on facebook. He prolly will get find guilty but I doubt it will be that severe.
But hey, main thing is that we sold plenty of newspaper, right?
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On June 30 2013 21:51 RoKetha wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:42 NovaTheFeared wrote: You know what a reasonable response to this "threat" would be? To have an investigation, which would determine if he was serious or not, which appears to be OBVIOUSLY NOT and let that be that. You have to investigate on the complaint in the context of Newtown, but to charge with a crime and possibly sentence the kid to 8 years? That's horribly unjust. This, seriously. His actual speech is completely protected and not at all illegal in this context because his "threat" had no credibility and could not reasonably be argued to have been intended to incite a panic. If they want to convict him with a crime like "terrorist activities" (which would still be horribly inappropriate because a guy randomly shooting up a school is totally different from a terrorist doing it for political reasons, but the laws governing that stuff have become incredibly broad in scope so it might fit), they need hard evidence that he was actually planning some kind of attack. The threat of doing the think is still a crime. You cannot threaten to do things that are illegal, especially bodily harm to others. 8 years is a long time, but do not post this shit of facebook for all to see.
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On June 30 2013 21:51 DannyJ wrote: Screw worrying about the NSA, I'm going to be scared that some creepy lady in Canada is going to google what I live by...
you dont need to be worried as long as you dont threaten to kill people which is, as im sure you are aware of, illegal
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People are fucking retarded. No, I mean it. To jail this person for a rage comment you have to be mentally challenged.
Do they even understand that if they acted against every offensive comment on the internet millions of innocent people would be in jail right now, for no reason beyond fear-mongering.
Whatever happened to kids will be kids? He made a stupid comment... haven't we all? Either to friends, on an online game, in chat programs, forums, etc?
People that have never played video games or don't understand the internet shouldn't have any form of power or legal foothold against others for what is said on the internet... Soon enough they will want to jail people for killing people in video games or taunting them after they killed or beat an opponent.
I can't even coherently form a post for this crap, it's so god damn stupid and I feel terrible for the kid.
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On June 30 2013 21:51 DannyJ wrote: Screw worrying about the NSA, I'm going to be scared that some creepy lady in Canada is going to google what I live by... well you can thank facebook for that one i guess
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On June 30 2013 21:55 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:51 DannyJ wrote: Screw worrying about the NSA, I'm going to be scared that some creepy lady in Canada is going to google what I live by... you dont need to be worried as long as you dont threaten to kill people which is, as im sure you are aware of, illegal
Joking is not. And you're not to judge if a joke meets "joke-criteria".
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On June 30 2013 21:54 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:51 RoKetha wrote:On June 30 2013 21:42 NovaTheFeared wrote: You know what a reasonable response to this "threat" would be? To have an investigation, which would determine if he was serious or not, which appears to be OBVIOUSLY NOT and let that be that. You have to investigate on the complaint in the context of Newtown, but to charge with a crime and possibly sentence the kid to 8 years? That's horribly unjust. This, seriously. His actual speech is completely protected and not at all illegal in this context because his "threat" had no credibility and could not reasonably be argued to have been intended to incite a panic. If they want to convict him with a crime like "terrorist activities" (which would still be horribly inappropriate because a guy randomly shooting up a school is totally different from a terrorist doing it for political reasons, but the laws governing that stuff have become incredibly broad in scope so it might fit), they need hard evidence that he was actually planning some kind of attack. The threat of doing the think is still a crime. You cannot threaten to do things that are illegal, especially bodily harm to others. 8 years is a long time, but do not post this shit of facebook for all to see.
Oh wait what was your point of view regarding abortions again?
In case of an abortion : well shit can happen to anyone.
Now here: Omfg should be punished and jailed.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On June 30 2013 21:56 teddyoojo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:51 DannyJ wrote: Screw worrying about the NSA, I'm going to be scared that some creepy lady in Canada is going to google what I live by... well you can thank facebook for that one i guess
facebook didnt force him to threaten to kill people
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On June 30 2013 21:55 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:51 DannyJ wrote: Screw worrying about the NSA, I'm going to be scared that some creepy lady in Canada is going to google what I live by... you dont need to be worried as long as you dont threaten to kill people which is, as im sure you are aware of, illegal Wait, so I can't threaten to kill everyone in my town, on Facebook and provide no context for the comments? I was not aware I didn't have this freedom to be an idiot on that scale.
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OMFG FOR REAL???
this shit it so messed up, just another sign that autorithy has no clue how the current society works lol.
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Not keeping up on current events is somewhat acceptable. Being idiotic enough to post something like that on facebook is beyond stupid. The punishment wasn't nearly in context, even if he won't get sentenced he's already spent 4 fucking months of his life in jail and probably a few more to come.
And I'm sorry but with regards to the article what in the fuck logic gets a woman to assess that common residential zoning practice leads to actual intent?. Do people seriously have nothing else to do all day but brood over what ifs? The national media has already been reduced to fear-mongering bullshit but really?
And FFS stop with the sensationalist titles. The original article in the OP is even shoddy at best in describing the situation.
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On June 30 2013 21:56 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:55 nkr wrote:On June 30 2013 21:51 DannyJ wrote: Screw worrying about the NSA, I'm going to be scared that some creepy lady in Canada is going to google what I live by... you dont need to be worried as long as you dont threaten to kill people which is, as im sure you are aware of, illegal Joking is not. And you're not to judge if a joke meets "joke-criteria".
your intention does not matter, it's what people percieve as the truth as matters. If I go out on town yelling im gna kill school children, it doesn't fucking matter if I then say it was a joke.
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On June 30 2013 21:56 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:56 teddyoojo wrote:On June 30 2013 21:51 DannyJ wrote: Screw worrying about the NSA, I'm going to be scared that some creepy lady in Canada is going to google what I live by... well you can thank facebook for that one i guess facebook didnt force him to threaten to kill people
But facebook was the thing he was located and jailed. Not having facebook account and no jail time.
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On June 30 2013 21:56 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:55 nkr wrote:On June 30 2013 21:51 DannyJ wrote: Screw worrying about the NSA, I'm going to be scared that some creepy lady in Canada is going to google what I live by... you dont need to be worried as long as you dont threaten to kill people which is, as im sure you are aware of, illegal Wait, so I can't threaten to kill everyone in my town, on Facebook and provide no context for the comments? I was not aware I didn't have this freedom to be an idiot on that scale.
But you have the freedom to be an idiot on a lower scale? If you get shitfaced, and then knocked up because you didnt remember if the guy used a condom well then you can have an abortion because that happens. But if a retarded 19 year old makes a stupid comment on facebook he should be jailed.
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On June 30 2013 21:56 Sokrates wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:54 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 21:51 RoKetha wrote:On June 30 2013 21:42 NovaTheFeared wrote: You know what a reasonable response to this "threat" would be? To have an investigation, which would determine if he was serious or not, which appears to be OBVIOUSLY NOT and let that be that. You have to investigate on the complaint in the context of Newtown, but to charge with a crime and possibly sentence the kid to 8 years? That's horribly unjust. This, seriously. His actual speech is completely protected and not at all illegal in this context because his "threat" had no credibility and could not reasonably be argued to have been intended to incite a panic. If they want to convict him with a crime like "terrorist activities" (which would still be horribly inappropriate because a guy randomly shooting up a school is totally different from a terrorist doing it for political reasons, but the laws governing that stuff have become incredibly broad in scope so it might fit), they need hard evidence that he was actually planning some kind of attack. The threat of doing the think is still a crime. You cannot threaten to do things that are illegal, especially bodily harm to others. 8 years is a long time, but do not post this shit of facebook for all to see. Oh wait what was your point of view regarding abortions again? In case of an abortion : well shit can happen to anyone. Now here: Omfg should be punished and jailed. My point of view was that you should stop stalking me and asking weird questions about abortion?
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On June 30 2013 21:54 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:51 RoKetha wrote:On June 30 2013 21:42 NovaTheFeared wrote: You know what a reasonable response to this "threat" would be? To have an investigation, which would determine if he was serious or not, which appears to be OBVIOUSLY NOT and let that be that. You have to investigate on the complaint in the context of Newtown, but to charge with a crime and possibly sentence the kid to 8 years? That's horribly unjust. This, seriously. His actual speech is completely protected and not at all illegal in this context because his "threat" had no credibility and could not reasonably be argued to have been intended to incite a panic. If they want to convict him with a crime like "terrorist activities" (which would still be horribly inappropriate because a guy randomly shooting up a school is totally different from a terrorist doing it for political reasons, but the laws governing that stuff have become incredibly broad in scope so it might fit), they need hard evidence that he was actually planning some kind of attack. The threat of doing the think is still a crime. You cannot threaten to do things that are illegal, especially bodily harm to others. 8 years is a long time, but do not post this shit of facebook for all to see.
The threat has to be credible for it to be a threat treated as a crime. That's the point of investigation. In the context of an online game, and with the comments immediately following JUST KIDDING it's clearly not a credible threat.
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This case is proof that you can and should be punished for stupidity.
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On June 30 2013 21:49 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:48 teddyoojo wrote: so if u forget to logout from facebook and someone posts something like that on ur facebook, gonna get jailed son if you're dumb enough to have such "friends" around you, you deserve your jailtime ;P
Apparently you've never been around teenagers and/or drunk people.
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On June 30 2013 21:57 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:56 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 21:55 nkr wrote:On June 30 2013 21:51 DannyJ wrote: Screw worrying about the NSA, I'm going to be scared that some creepy lady in Canada is going to google what I live by... you dont need to be worried as long as you dont threaten to kill people which is, as im sure you are aware of, illegal Joking is not. And you're not to judge if a joke meets "joke-criteria". your intention does not matter, it's what people percieve as the truth as matters. If I go out on town yelling im gna kill school children, it doesn't fucking matter if I then say it was a joke.
It's a big difference if you run around and shouting stuff like a nutjob, or write stuff on a forum with "jk lol" behind it. There's alot of jew-jokes out there. Guess you need to be charged with racism and hatespeech every single time you use one of these. Not to mention jokes about blacks, germans, polish guys and what not.
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On June 30 2013 21:58 NovaTheFeared wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:54 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 21:51 RoKetha wrote:On June 30 2013 21:42 NovaTheFeared wrote: You know what a reasonable response to this "threat" would be? To have an investigation, which would determine if he was serious or not, which appears to be OBVIOUSLY NOT and let that be that. You have to investigate on the complaint in the context of Newtown, but to charge with a crime and possibly sentence the kid to 8 years? That's horribly unjust. This, seriously. His actual speech is completely protected and not at all illegal in this context because his "threat" had no credibility and could not reasonably be argued to have been intended to incite a panic. If they want to convict him with a crime like "terrorist activities" (which would still be horribly inappropriate because a guy randomly shooting up a school is totally different from a terrorist doing it for political reasons, but the laws governing that stuff have become incredibly broad in scope so it might fit), they need hard evidence that he was actually planning some kind of attack. The threat of doing the think is still a crime. You cannot threaten to do things that are illegal, especially bodily harm to others. 8 years is a long time, but do not post this shit of facebook for all to see. The threat has to be credible for it to be a threat treated as a crime. That's the point of investigation. In the context of an online game, and with the comments immediately following JUST KIDDING it's clearly not a credible threat. Except it was made on Facebook to the world, not in LoL. The OP is wrong. He just an idiot on the internet, not LoL.
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So wait. The person actually posted lol and jk after the comment.
How is there any way to construe this as an actual threat? Are you people kidding?
That's just one step short of a legal disclaimer saying "Warning, the above comments are not serious."
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On June 30 2013 21:56 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:55 nkr wrote:On June 30 2013 21:51 DannyJ wrote: Screw worrying about the NSA, I'm going to be scared that some creepy lady in Canada is going to google what I live by... you dont need to be worried as long as you dont threaten to kill people which is, as im sure you are aware of, illegal Wait, so I can't threaten to kill everyone in my town, on Facebook and provide no context for the comments? I was not aware I didn't have this freedom to be an idiot on that scale.
Because it's a threat... and not a joke... ok. If you say so.
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On June 30 2013 21:47 Quotidian wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:00 Jek wrote:On June 30 2013 20:57 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 20:54 Jek wrote: Well, he did post it on an public forum (Facebook) and as thus it should be considered an terrorism threat in my opinion since it's what it in fact is. He'll face a trial and if considered innocent he'll be released, to be honest I consider it a win-win situation. If he's considered a public threat he'll be locked away and if he's not he has learned a valuable leason. Are IdrA, Nerchio, Destiny etc terrorists too? Are they threatning the public, with what is in fact an act of terrorism? Being charged is not equal to being a terrorist. Consider saying his statement in public, wouldn't you be concerned? I would. There's a precendence for these kind of statements being written online, Breivik for instance, I'd rather the goverment follow up on these cases and potentially prevent a tragedy than writing all threats off as freedom of speech. Breivik isn't a "precedent" to some kid making a silly comment on Facebook. Making off-color remarks on Facebook isn't an act of terrorism. Breivik had already been breaking the law for months before releasing his manifesto or whatever, by making explosives on a remote farm, while at the same time taking significant steps to keep his plan a secret. There are zero parallels to Breivik in this case. Developments like this isn't that many steps away from 1984-style thought police... in which case - USA, it was nice knowing you :\
The worst part is that instances like this are likely a sweeping majority of the NSA's proposed victories against terrorism. We wouldn't know because they aren't about to disclose anything of the sort, but it is likely the case.
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On June 30 2013 21:59 Kamais Ookin wrote: This case is proof that you can and should be punished for stupidity. If that's the case then the woman who reported him to the police should be arrested too.
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On June 30 2013 22:00 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:58 NovaTheFeared wrote:On June 30 2013 21:54 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 21:51 RoKetha wrote:On June 30 2013 21:42 NovaTheFeared wrote: You know what a reasonable response to this "threat" would be? To have an investigation, which would determine if he was serious or not, which appears to be OBVIOUSLY NOT and let that be that. You have to investigate on the complaint in the context of Newtown, but to charge with a crime and possibly sentence the kid to 8 years? That's horribly unjust. This, seriously. His actual speech is completely protected and not at all illegal in this context because his "threat" had no credibility and could not reasonably be argued to have been intended to incite a panic. If they want to convict him with a crime like "terrorist activities" (which would still be horribly inappropriate because a guy randomly shooting up a school is totally different from a terrorist doing it for political reasons, but the laws governing that stuff have become incredibly broad in scope so it might fit), they need hard evidence that he was actually planning some kind of attack. The threat of doing the think is still a crime. You cannot threaten to do things that are illegal, especially bodily harm to others. 8 years is a long time, but do not post this shit of facebook for all to see. The threat has to be credible for it to be a threat treated as a crime. That's the point of investigation. In the context of an online game, and with the comments immediately following JUST KIDDING it's clearly not a credible threat. Except it was made on Facebook to the world, not in LoL. The OP is wrong. He just an idiot on the internet, not LoL.
I heard both stories, but that doesn't change my evaluation of the situation. In the facebook story, he is responding to a friend who called him crazy and he's sarcastically saying yeah im real crzy men!!! i shoot em up and eat their beating hartz! JK
This is the real, credible threat of violence? I don't think so.
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On June 30 2013 21:41 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:26 Jek wrote:
@MasterOfPuppets: How do you KNOW there's nothing in it?
To be honest, I don't know how to phrase this without sounding arrogant so please bear with me, I don't think the people in uproar has any idea how it is to have a mental disorder - which this kid might very well have - I have a bipolar disorder which if I forget my meds and trigger a fully-blown manic period I have the potential to be a threat to myself and my surroundings, I'm glad to know I have a red mark in my journal which allows the officials to by force, if needed, put me into a hospital.
Basically I think this kind of actions should be followed up on immediately, and the investigation should be swift so we don't have innocent people sitting incarcerated for this long. Listen buddy, I don't know where you live, where you've lived, how you've lived or what you're doing on an online gaming forum while having such little experience with online gaming. But I can tell you from my long history of multiplayer gaming, and the cumulated knowledge of everything I've seen, heard and experienced, that this isn't out of the ordinary. Hell, with XBox live's CoD and Halo, with League of Legends and other such casual-competitive games, it's even more prevalent now than it used to be. I've seen people rage like hell, and I hold nothing against them, fuck I'm not ashamed to admit that I've raged like hell too, and not only once. But it's ok. It's ok to be upset when someone on your team fucks up, or when you fuck up, or when you lose. It's ok, because it's passing. It's called competitive spirit, and anyone who's ever been competitive in anything, sports, board games, gambling, you name it, any of those people will at least understand the sentiment. You for some reason, don't seem to. Therein lies the problem... I find it quite funny you think I have little experience with online gaming when we're posting on teamliquid.
This wasn't an in-game chat, this was on Facebook, which you seem to ignore for some reason.
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On June 30 2013 21:58 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:56 Sokrates wrote:On June 30 2013 21:54 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 21:51 RoKetha wrote:On June 30 2013 21:42 NovaTheFeared wrote: You know what a reasonable response to this "threat" would be? To have an investigation, which would determine if he was serious or not, which appears to be OBVIOUSLY NOT and let that be that. You have to investigate on the complaint in the context of Newtown, but to charge with a crime and possibly sentence the kid to 8 years? That's horribly unjust. This, seriously. His actual speech is completely protected and not at all illegal in this context because his "threat" had no credibility and could not reasonably be argued to have been intended to incite a panic. If they want to convict him with a crime like "terrorist activities" (which would still be horribly inappropriate because a guy randomly shooting up a school is totally different from a terrorist doing it for political reasons, but the laws governing that stuff have become incredibly broad in scope so it might fit), they need hard evidence that he was actually planning some kind of attack. The threat of doing the think is still a crime. You cannot threaten to do things that are illegal, especially bodily harm to others. 8 years is a long time, but do not post this shit of facebook for all to see. Oh wait what was your point of view regarding abortions again? In case of an abortion : well shit can happen to anyone. Now here: Omfg should be punished and jailed. My point of view was that you should stop stalking me and asking weird questions about abortion?
Just pointing out your hypocrisy. And i didnt stalk you, that thread was just under the "usa is spying on us thread".
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On June 30 2013 21:57 Badfatpanda wrote: Not keeping up on current events is somewhat acceptable. Being idiotic enough to post something like that on facebook is beyond stupid. The punishment wasn't nearly in context, even if he won't get sentenced he's already spent 4 fucking months of his life in jail and probably a few more to come.
And I'm sorry but with regards to the article what in the fuck logic gets a woman to assess that common residential zoning practice leads to actual intent?. Do people seriously have nothing else to do all day but brood over what ifs? The national media has already been reduced to fear-mongering bullshit but really?
And FFS stop with the sensationalist titles. The original article in the OP is even shoddy at best in describing the situation.
Because that's the only reason why people ever would read this crap, would you even read it if it stated the facts, that this kid hasn't been sentenced yet and prolly only will spend half a year in jail or just do community service and that the time he already has been in custody prolly will be included in his final sentence, if he even is found guilty?
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Well I guess we should all stop using words like "kill" or "rape" or "dominated" when referring to people playing video games on TL because people can use the strictest interpretation and take it for granted that we actually want the players killed. Because that makes alot of sense.
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Is dark comedy illegal now?
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On June 30 2013 21:59 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:57 nkr wrote:On June 30 2013 21:56 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 21:55 nkr wrote:On June 30 2013 21:51 DannyJ wrote: Screw worrying about the NSA, I'm going to be scared that some creepy lady in Canada is going to google what I live by... you dont need to be worried as long as you dont threaten to kill people which is, as im sure you are aware of, illegal Joking is not. And you're not to judge if a joke meets "joke-criteria". your intention does not matter, it's what people percieve as the truth as matters. If I go out on town yelling im gna kill school children, it doesn't fucking matter if I then say it was a joke. It's a big difference if you run around and shouting stuff like a nutjob, or write stuff on a forum with "jk lol" behind it. There's alot of jew-jokes out there. Guess you need to be charged with racism and hatespeech every single time you use one of these. Not to mention jokes about blacks, germans, polish guys and what not.
The difference is only there to you. If I write a comment on the internet where I say I'm going to kill children, it doesn't matter if I then add a lol jk after. Any parent is rightfully to be concerned, because you know the people who actually go through with this stuff usually go posting about it on the internet as well. No one takes them seriously though, because the internet is filled with ""trolling"".
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On June 30 2013 22:03 TheRabidDeer wrote: Is dark comedy illegal now?
In your country. Other countries like the UK make it to an artform.
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On June 30 2013 21:57 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:56 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 21:55 nkr wrote:On June 30 2013 21:51 DannyJ wrote: Screw worrying about the NSA, I'm going to be scared that some creepy lady in Canada is going to google what I live by... you dont need to be worried as long as you dont threaten to kill people which is, as im sure you are aware of, illegal Joking is not. And you're not to judge if a joke meets "joke-criteria". your intention does not matter, it's what people percieve as the truth as matters. If I go out on town yelling im gna kill school children, it doesn't fucking matter if I then say it was a joke. He is 100% correct. All that needs to happen is that someone must realistically believe they are being threatened with harm. Its the toy gun argument. You can still threaten people with a toy gun if they think it is a real one. In this case, he made the comment on facebook and many people didn't have couldn't tell if the threat was serious.
I am reading up on it right now. If he has just been charged, he will likely get a slap on the wrist for being an idiot. His trial is tomorrow and the Judge isn't going to lock him up for 8 years. He is going to yell at him a lot and likely give him community service.
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On June 30 2013 22:03 TheRabidDeer wrote: Is dark comedy illegal now?
It is if Texas has its way. These actions by the state are infringements on 1st Amendment rights. It's absolutely disgusting.
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On June 30 2013 22:02 jello_biafra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:59 Kamais Ookin wrote: This case is proof that you can and should be punished for stupidity. If that's the case then the woman who reported him to the police should be arrested too. Agreed.
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On June 30 2013 22:04 NovaTheFeared wrote:It is if Texas has its way. These actions by the state are infringements on 1st Amendment rights. It's absolutely disgusting. You don't have the right to threaten people with bodily harm under the 1st Amendment. Dark comedy requires context, which facebook does not provide.
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On June 30 2013 21:57 sabas123 wrote: OMFG FOR REAL???
this shit it so messed up, just another sign that autorithy has no clue how the current society works lol.
While authorities do have some problems dealing with current society, this is as much of a sign that current society is becoming very clueless as to what is and should be acceptable behaviour.
Even if several years in prison would be a harsh punishment for a young person, the real issue is why it's even common to have such a jargon in the first place.
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On June 30 2013 22:04 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:57 nkr wrote:On June 30 2013 21:56 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 21:55 nkr wrote:On June 30 2013 21:51 DannyJ wrote: Screw worrying about the NSA, I'm going to be scared that some creepy lady in Canada is going to google what I live by... you dont need to be worried as long as you dont threaten to kill people which is, as im sure you are aware of, illegal Joking is not. And you're not to judge if a joke meets "joke-criteria". your intention does not matter, it's what people percieve as the truth as matters. If I go out on town yelling im gna kill school children, it doesn't fucking matter if I then say it was a joke. He is 100% correct. All that needs to happen is that someone must realistically believe they are being threatened with harm. Its the toy gun argument. You can still threaten people with a toy gun if they think it is a real one. In this case, he made the comment on facebook and many people didn't have couldn't tell if the threat was serious. I am reading up on it right now. If he has just been charged, he will likely get a slap on the wrist for being an idiot. His trial is tomorrow and the Judge isn't going to lock him up for 8 years. He is going to yell at him a lot and likely give him community service.
That's wrong as a matter of law. The standard is not the most sensitive member of the community. If someone, like a Canadian women, feels threatened that's still not enough for guilt under law. The standard is if a reasonable person would believe it was a credible threat. With the JK addendum, it's clearly not reasonable to construe the act as an actual threat.
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On June 30 2013 22:04 m4inbrain wrote:In your country. Other countries like the UK make it to an artform.
You do know the UK is the worlds greatest offender when it comes to locking up people for saying dumb shit on facebook, right?
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On June 30 2013 22:06 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:04 NovaTheFeared wrote:On June 30 2013 22:03 TheRabidDeer wrote: Is dark comedy illegal now? It is if Texas has its way. These actions by the state are infringements on 1st Amendment rights. It's absolutely disgusting. You don't have the right to threaten people with bodily harm under the 1st Amendment. Dark comedy requires context, which facebook does not provide.
So who are you to infer context when there is a "lol jk" after it. It works both ways. The strict interpretation is inferring a strict context, you are inferring that he is making a legitimate threat, with out that context.
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On June 30 2013 22:04 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:59 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 21:57 nkr wrote:On June 30 2013 21:56 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 21:55 nkr wrote:On June 30 2013 21:51 DannyJ wrote: Screw worrying about the NSA, I'm going to be scared that some creepy lady in Canada is going to google what I live by... you dont need to be worried as long as you dont threaten to kill people which is, as im sure you are aware of, illegal Joking is not. And you're not to judge if a joke meets "joke-criteria". your intention does not matter, it's what people percieve as the truth as matters. If I go out on town yelling im gna kill school children, it doesn't fucking matter if I then say it was a joke. It's a big difference if you run around and shouting stuff like a nutjob, or write stuff on a forum with "jk lol" behind it. There's alot of jew-jokes out there. Guess you need to be charged with racism and hatespeech every single time you use one of these. Not to mention jokes about blacks, germans, polish guys and what not. The difference is only there to you. If I write a comment on the internet where I say I'm going to kill children, it doesn't matter if I then add a lol jk after. Any parent is rightfully to be concerned, because you know the people who actually go through with this stuff usually go posting about it on the internet as well. No one takes them seriously though, because the internet is filled with ""trolling"".
No, the difference there is "common sense". If i call the police every single time someone threats me, i better have a 24h skypecall active all the time. Which is exactly the same. There's no difference between that FB comment and someone telling me to "fuck me/rape me/kill me" because i destroyed him in whatever game.
I'm not saying that you should not investigate that FB guy, but 4 month in jail and 8 years sentence is borderline retarded. I don't know why people even try to justify it.
You do know the UK is the worlds greatest offender of locking up people for saying dumb shit on facebook, right?
I don't. Feel free to show me.
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On June 30 2013 21:50 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 21:46 Plansix wrote: A valuable lesson to all. Don't say stupid shit on the internet. Its a bit unreasonable, but that is not a joke you make. Its sort of like posting "I'm building a bomb" and then just putting "JK, its totally fine". If you live near me, I'm still going to call someone to confirm you are not, in fact, building a bomb. It's ok to have someone confirm their intentions, it's NOT ok at all to jail them for numerous months (facing 8 years) without any form of investigation or background-check. If I say that I am going to shoot someone and they believe me, I can be sent to jail, even if I did not intend to do so. Threats of doing something is still a crime. I do agree that 8 years is a lot, though. Still, I need to know more and if he pushed it to trial, rather than plea out.
I don't know about US, but at least in Denmark a person can not be punished for threats, unless the person is aware that his threats might actually cause fear.
I am genuinely curious if American law considers the intention of the act when judging. In Denmark a person must have had an evil intent in order to be punished, unless the law states otherwise. At this point it is my impression that US law has gotten rid of any thing remotely related to common sense, and it would easy my mind to be proven wrong in this matter.
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On June 30 2013 22:06 Moone wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:57 sabas123 wrote: OMFG FOR REAL???
this shit it so messed up, just another sign that autorithy has no clue how the current society works lol. While authorities do have some problems dealing with current society, this is as much of a sign that current society is becoming very clueless as to what is and should be acceptable behaviour. Even if several years in prison would be a harsh punishment for a young person, the real issue is why it's even common to have such a jargon in the first place. His trial is tomorrow. He isn't going to jail. They aren't going to waste the money on something that dumb. But he is likely to never do this again, which is a win all around.
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On June 30 2013 22:03 Jek wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:41 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 21:26 Jek wrote:
@MasterOfPuppets: How do you KNOW there's nothing in it?
To be honest, I don't know how to phrase this without sounding arrogant so please bear with me, I don't think the people in uproar has any idea how it is to have a mental disorder - which this kid might very well have - I have a bipolar disorder which if I forget my meds and trigger a fully-blown manic period I have the potential to be a threat to myself and my surroundings, I'm glad to know I have a red mark in my journal which allows the officials to by force, if needed, put me into a hospital.
Basically I think this kind of actions should be followed up on immediately, and the investigation should be swift so we don't have innocent people sitting incarcerated for this long. Listen buddy, I don't know where you live, where you've lived, how you've lived or what you're doing on an online gaming forum while having such little experience with online gaming. But I can tell you from my long history of multiplayer gaming, and the cumulated knowledge of everything I've seen, heard and experienced, that this isn't out of the ordinary. Hell, with XBox live's CoD and Halo, with League of Legends and other such casual-competitive games, it's even more prevalent now than it used to be. I've seen people rage like hell, and I hold nothing against them, fuck I'm not ashamed to admit that I've raged like hell too, and not only once. But it's ok. It's ok to be upset when someone on your team fucks up, or when you fuck up, or when you lose. It's ok, because it's passing. It's called competitive spirit, and anyone who's ever been competitive in anything, sports, board games, gambling, you name it, any of those people will at least understand the sentiment. You for some reason, don't seem to. Therein lies the problem... I find it quite funny you think I have little experience with online gaming when we're posting on teamliquid. This wasn't an in-game chat, this was on Facebook, which you seem to ignore for some reason.
Oh you're right.
It's on Facebook, therefore it must be personal and have nothing to do with very evident prior motives from inside the game... I guess everything our SC2 pros say on Twitter should be completely disregarded, because it's on Twitter, surely it can't have anything to do with the game right?
Listen. I don't know why you're being so painfully obtuse about this, but this is only an extension of someone caring too much about a game, which again harkens back to my point about being competitive. It doesn't matter how he said it, he could've gone to the window and just yelled "FUCK" until his neighbours' windows all cracked, or smashed his keyboard into his monitor, it's the exact same thing. In fact his course of action should be perceived by any rational human being as the least destructive option.
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I feel like he needs therapy, not jail. Certainly, a huge amount of people would be pretty upset to hear that a guy who lives near a school was saying things like this, even with "lol jk" added, and that nothing was done about it.
Can you even begin to imagine the media furore if someone actually did shoot up a school and they'd said stuff like this on FB?
"Shocking revelations today as it's revealed that the alleged perpetrator of the recent school shooting, which left several children as young as 9 dead or critically injured, had made sick comments on Facebook as soon as a week before the attack about killing kids and eating their hearts"
We can all imagine a news reader saying that.
More than likely he was just an upset guy who doesn't know how to handle his emotions properly and he needs help to deal with things better. But a guy threatening this on the street would be arrested, and I think Facebook and Twitter should be considered to be "in public" as well (although I'd imagine some people disagree and would say otherwise)
I don't see, having said that, how locking him up for 4 months let alone 8 years will produce a productive, helpful member of society out of this guy. He needs a psychiatrist, not a jail warden, and I feel that a police warning would have probably been enough to make him realise that certain things are pretty disturbing when said in public.
(NB: None of the above is a legal opinion, because I neither know nor care how the laws of the US will apply to this guy; I'm talking about ideas and what would be best in my opinion)
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On June 30 2013 22:07 DannyJ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:04 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:03 TheRabidDeer wrote: Is dark comedy illegal now? In your country. Other countries like the UK make it to an artform. You do know the UK is the worlds greatest offender of locking up people for saying dumb shit on facebook, right?
UK is also the country that let Bill Hicks speak his mind when America banned him.
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On June 30 2013 22:07 Prog455 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:50 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 21:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 21:46 Plansix wrote: A valuable lesson to all. Don't say stupid shit on the internet. Its a bit unreasonable, but that is not a joke you make. Its sort of like posting "I'm building a bomb" and then just putting "JK, its totally fine". If you live near me, I'm still going to call someone to confirm you are not, in fact, building a bomb. It's ok to have someone confirm their intentions, it's NOT ok at all to jail them for numerous months (facing 8 years) without any form of investigation or background-check. If I say that I am going to shoot someone and they believe me, I can be sent to jail, even if I did not intend to do so. Threats of doing something is still a crime. I do agree that 8 years is a lot, though. Still, I need to know more and if he pushed it to trial, rather than plea out. I don't know about US, but at least in Denmark a person can not be punished for threats, unless the person is aware that his threats might actually cause fear. I am genuinely curious if American law considers the intention of the act when judging. In Denmark a person must have had an evil intent in order to be punished, unless the law states otherwise. At this point it is my impression that US law has gotten rid of any thing remotely related to common sense, and it would easy my mind to be proven wrong in this matter. It does and fear is important. But guess what, if you post shit like this on the internet, with limited context, it can cause a lot of fear.
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On June 30 2013 22:06 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:04 NovaTheFeared wrote:On June 30 2013 22:03 TheRabidDeer wrote: Is dark comedy illegal now? It is if Texas has its way. These actions by the state are infringements on 1st Amendment rights. It's absolutely disgusting. You don't have the right to threaten people with bodily harm under the 1st Amendment. Dark comedy requires context, which facebook does not provide.
You dont get this. You cant compare the internet to the real world since everyone treats the internet differnt than the real world NO MATTER WHAT if it should be that way. Fact is on the internet people act differntly than in the real world.
If you go out on the real world and threaten people to kill or rape them you gotta be in trouble. In the internet it is a thing you hear everyday.
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this is so absurd. if i would do that in germany ( and probably everywhere else) and get serious problems because of that it would be like some hours of social work you have to do and maybe apologize. jail, especially 8 years in jail, is totally dumb.
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well.. if i write /say something like "i will find you and fucking kill you" in a game ,and someone finds out its me they can legally give me 6 months in prison and like a big sum of money to pay.. but ofc people dont do that,cuz they are civilized and know its the freaking internet..... im typing this with one hand since im still facepalming.
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Funny how some people are actually in agreement with that guy going to prison.
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On June 30 2013 22:08 Sokrates wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:06 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:04 NovaTheFeared wrote:On June 30 2013 22:03 TheRabidDeer wrote: Is dark comedy illegal now? It is if Texas has its way. These actions by the state are infringements on 1st Amendment rights. It's absolutely disgusting. You don't have the right to threaten people with bodily harm under the 1st Amendment. Dark comedy requires context, which facebook does not provide. You dont get this. You cant compare the internet to the real world since everyone treats the internet differnt than the real world NO MATTER WHAT if it should be that way. Fact is on the internet people act differntly than in the real world. If you go out on the real world and threaten people to kill or rape them you gotta be in trouble. In the internet it is a thing you hear everyday.
Some people really don't seem to get this for some reason...
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On June 30 2013 22:08 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:07 Prog455 wrote:On June 30 2013 21:50 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 21:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 21:46 Plansix wrote: A valuable lesson to all. Don't say stupid shit on the internet. Its a bit unreasonable, but that is not a joke you make. Its sort of like posting "I'm building a bomb" and then just putting "JK, its totally fine". If you live near me, I'm still going to call someone to confirm you are not, in fact, building a bomb. It's ok to have someone confirm their intentions, it's NOT ok at all to jail them for numerous months (facing 8 years) without any form of investigation or background-check. If I say that I am going to shoot someone and they believe me, I can be sent to jail, even if I did not intend to do so. Threats of doing something is still a crime. I do agree that 8 years is a lot, though. Still, I need to know more and if he pushed it to trial, rather than plea out. I don't know about US, but at least in Denmark a person can not be punished for threats, unless the person is aware that his threats might actually cause fear. I am genuinely curious if American law considers the intention of the act when judging. In Denmark a person must have had an evil intent in order to be punished, unless the law states otherwise. At this point it is my impression that US law has gotten rid of any thing remotely related to common sense, and it would easy my mind to be proven wrong in this matter. It does and fear is important. But guess what, if you post shit like this on the internet, with limited context, it can cause a lot of fear.
So when political leaders make threats of armed invasions and destruction of property or the killing of people on national television, that's simply diplomacy and politics. When some guy makes a joke with "lol jk" on his facebook page. That's causing alot of fear.
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On June 30 2013 22:08 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:07 Prog455 wrote:On June 30 2013 21:50 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 21:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 21:46 Plansix wrote: A valuable lesson to all. Don't say stupid shit on the internet. Its a bit unreasonable, but that is not a joke you make. Its sort of like posting "I'm building a bomb" and then just putting "JK, its totally fine". If you live near me, I'm still going to call someone to confirm you are not, in fact, building a bomb. It's ok to have someone confirm their intentions, it's NOT ok at all to jail them for numerous months (facing 8 years) without any form of investigation or background-check. If I say that I am going to shoot someone and they believe me, I can be sent to jail, even if I did not intend to do so. Threats of doing something is still a crime. I do agree that 8 years is a lot, though. Still, I need to know more and if he pushed it to trial, rather than plea out. I don't know about US, but at least in Denmark a person can not be punished for threats, unless the person is aware that his threats might actually cause fear. I am genuinely curious if American law considers the intention of the act when judging. In Denmark a person must have had an evil intent in order to be punished, unless the law states otherwise. At this point it is my impression that US law has gotten rid of any thing remotely related to common sense, and it would easy my mind to be proven wrong in this matter. It does and fear is important. But guess what, if you post shit like this on the internet, with limited context, it can cause a lot of fear.
You're completely right, I pissed myself and started crying when some twerp threatened to find me and kill me and my family because I owned him in some game...
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On June 30 2013 22:10 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:08 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:07 Prog455 wrote:On June 30 2013 21:50 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 21:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 21:46 Plansix wrote: A valuable lesson to all. Don't say stupid shit on the internet. Its a bit unreasonable, but that is not a joke you make. Its sort of like posting "I'm building a bomb" and then just putting "JK, its totally fine". If you live near me, I'm still going to call someone to confirm you are not, in fact, building a bomb. It's ok to have someone confirm their intentions, it's NOT ok at all to jail them for numerous months (facing 8 years) without any form of investigation or background-check. If I say that I am going to shoot someone and they believe me, I can be sent to jail, even if I did not intend to do so. Threats of doing something is still a crime. I do agree that 8 years is a lot, though. Still, I need to know more and if he pushed it to trial, rather than plea out. I don't know about US, but at least in Denmark a person can not be punished for threats, unless the person is aware that his threats might actually cause fear. I am genuinely curious if American law considers the intention of the act when judging. In Denmark a person must have had an evil intent in order to be punished, unless the law states otherwise. At this point it is my impression that US law has gotten rid of any thing remotely related to common sense, and it would easy my mind to be proven wrong in this matter. It does and fear is important. But guess what, if you post shit like this on the internet, with limited context, it can cause a lot of fear. So when political leaders make threats of armed invasions and destruction of property or the killing of people on national television, that's simply diplomacy and politics. When some guy makes a joke with "lol jk" on his facebook page. That's causing alot of fear. Reaching a little bit, don't you think?
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This is actually quite dumb
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On June 30 2013 22:10 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:08 Sokrates wrote:On June 30 2013 22:06 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:04 NovaTheFeared wrote:On June 30 2013 22:03 TheRabidDeer wrote: Is dark comedy illegal now? It is if Texas has its way. These actions by the state are infringements on 1st Amendment rights. It's absolutely disgusting. You don't have the right to threaten people with bodily harm under the 1st Amendment. Dark comedy requires context, which facebook does not provide. You dont get this. You cant compare the internet to the real world since everyone treats the internet differnt than the real world NO MATTER WHAT if it should be that way. Fact is on the internet people act differntly than in the real world. If you go out on the real world and threaten people to kill or rape them you gotta be in trouble. In the internet it is a thing you hear everyday. Some people really don't seem to get this for some reason... I get it, i just don't agree with it, and that's probably why this story brings such joy to my heart.
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On June 30 2013 22:11 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:10 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:08 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:07 Prog455 wrote:On June 30 2013 21:50 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 21:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 21:46 Plansix wrote: A valuable lesson to all. Don't say stupid shit on the internet. Its a bit unreasonable, but that is not a joke you make. Its sort of like posting "I'm building a bomb" and then just putting "JK, its totally fine". If you live near me, I'm still going to call someone to confirm you are not, in fact, building a bomb. It's ok to have someone confirm their intentions, it's NOT ok at all to jail them for numerous months (facing 8 years) without any form of investigation or background-check. If I say that I am going to shoot someone and they believe me, I can be sent to jail, even if I did not intend to do so. Threats of doing something is still a crime. I do agree that 8 years is a lot, though. Still, I need to know more and if he pushed it to trial, rather than plea out. I don't know about US, but at least in Denmark a person can not be punished for threats, unless the person is aware that his threats might actually cause fear. I am genuinely curious if American law considers the intention of the act when judging. In Denmark a person must have had an evil intent in order to be punished, unless the law states otherwise. At this point it is my impression that US law has gotten rid of any thing remotely related to common sense, and it would easy my mind to be proven wrong in this matter. It does and fear is important. But guess what, if you post shit like this on the internet, with limited context, it can cause a lot of fear. So when political leaders make threats of armed invasions and destruction of property or the killing of people on national television, that's simply diplomacy and politics. When some guy makes a joke with "lol jk" on his facebook page. That's causing alot of fear. Reaching a little bit, don't you think?
Coming from someone that said "it's okay to sit 4 month in jail for that comment, they will drop the case anyway", that's funny.
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On June 30 2013 22:11 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:10 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:08 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:07 Prog455 wrote:On June 30 2013 21:50 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 21:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 21:46 Plansix wrote: A valuable lesson to all. Don't say stupid shit on the internet. Its a bit unreasonable, but that is not a joke you make. Its sort of like posting "I'm building a bomb" and then just putting "JK, its totally fine". If you live near me, I'm still going to call someone to confirm you are not, in fact, building a bomb. It's ok to have someone confirm their intentions, it's NOT ok at all to jail them for numerous months (facing 8 years) without any form of investigation or background-check. If I say that I am going to shoot someone and they believe me, I can be sent to jail, even if I did not intend to do so. Threats of doing something is still a crime. I do agree that 8 years is a lot, though. Still, I need to know more and if he pushed it to trial, rather than plea out. I don't know about US, but at least in Denmark a person can not be punished for threats, unless the person is aware that his threats might actually cause fear. I am genuinely curious if American law considers the intention of the act when judging. In Denmark a person must have had an evil intent in order to be punished, unless the law states otherwise. At this point it is my impression that US law has gotten rid of any thing remotely related to common sense, and it would easy my mind to be proven wrong in this matter. It does and fear is important. But guess what, if you post shit like this on the internet, with limited context, it can cause a lot of fear. So when political leaders make threats of armed invasions and destruction of property or the killing of people on national television, that's simply diplomacy and politics. When some guy makes a joke with "lol jk" on his facebook page. That's causing alot of fear. Reaching a little bit, don't you think?
No, it really isn't, we live in a society where genuine threats are made (and often even carried out) by organizations around the world to our livelihoods, be it external or extremist, or our own governments. And this is what you get jailed for making threats? Preposterous hypocrisy and double standard.
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On June 30 2013 22:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:08 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:07 Prog455 wrote:On June 30 2013 21:50 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 21:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 21:46 Plansix wrote: A valuable lesson to all. Don't say stupid shit on the internet. Its a bit unreasonable, but that is not a joke you make. Its sort of like posting "I'm building a bomb" and then just putting "JK, its totally fine". If you live near me, I'm still going to call someone to confirm you are not, in fact, building a bomb. It's ok to have someone confirm their intentions, it's NOT ok at all to jail them for numerous months (facing 8 years) without any form of investigation or background-check. If I say that I am going to shoot someone and they believe me, I can be sent to jail, even if I did not intend to do so. Threats of doing something is still a crime. I do agree that 8 years is a lot, though. Still, I need to know more and if he pushed it to trial, rather than plea out. I don't know about US, but at least in Denmark a person can not be punished for threats, unless the person is aware that his threats might actually cause fear. I am genuinely curious if American law considers the intention of the act when judging. In Denmark a person must have had an evil intent in order to be punished, unless the law states otherwise. At this point it is my impression that US law has gotten rid of any thing remotely related to common sense, and it would easy my mind to be proven wrong in this matter. It does and fear is important. But guess what, if you post shit like this on the internet, with limited context, it can cause a lot of fear. You're completely right, I pissed myself and started crying when some twerp threatened to find me and kill me and my family because I owned him in some game... -_- Except it was on facebook and was reported by someone who didn't know the kid. Look, if you want to say this stuff, set your facebook to private.
Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook.
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I remember when I was younger it was a fad to always say the opposite of what you meant followed by the oft annoying "NOT!" If the principle of Texas holds, we should all be in jail. But then who would guard the prisoners? Because they would be guilty too. This is madness.
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On June 30 2013 22:12 Goibon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:10 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:08 Sokrates wrote:On June 30 2013 22:06 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:04 NovaTheFeared wrote:On June 30 2013 22:03 TheRabidDeer wrote: Is dark comedy illegal now? It is if Texas has its way. These actions by the state are infringements on 1st Amendment rights. It's absolutely disgusting. You don't have the right to threaten people with bodily harm under the 1st Amendment. Dark comedy requires context, which facebook does not provide. You dont get this. You cant compare the internet to the real world since everyone treats the internet differnt than the real world NO MATTER WHAT if it should be that way. Fact is on the internet people act differntly than in the real world. If you go out on the real world and threaten people to kill or rape them you gotta be in trouble. In the internet it is a thing you hear everyday. Some people really don't seem to get this for some reason... I get it, i just don't agree with it, and that's probably why this story brings such joy to my heart.
And what brings joy to my heart is that worldwide internet censorship is improbable to ever happen, no matter how much people like you would crave it.
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On June 30 2013 22:14 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:08 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:07 Prog455 wrote:On June 30 2013 21:50 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 21:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 21:46 Plansix wrote: A valuable lesson to all. Don't say stupid shit on the internet. Its a bit unreasonable, but that is not a joke you make. Its sort of like posting "I'm building a bomb" and then just putting "JK, its totally fine". If you live near me, I'm still going to call someone to confirm you are not, in fact, building a bomb. It's ok to have someone confirm their intentions, it's NOT ok at all to jail them for numerous months (facing 8 years) without any form of investigation or background-check. If I say that I am going to shoot someone and they believe me, I can be sent to jail, even if I did not intend to do so. Threats of doing something is still a crime. I do agree that 8 years is a lot, though. Still, I need to know more and if he pushed it to trial, rather than plea out. I don't know about US, but at least in Denmark a person can not be punished for threats, unless the person is aware that his threats might actually cause fear. I am genuinely curious if American law considers the intention of the act when judging. In Denmark a person must have had an evil intent in order to be punished, unless the law states otherwise. At this point it is my impression that US law has gotten rid of any thing remotely related to common sense, and it would easy my mind to be proven wrong in this matter. It does and fear is important. But guess what, if you post shit like this on the internet, with limited context, it can cause a lot of fear. You're completely right, I pissed myself and started crying when some twerp threatened to find me and kill me and my family because I owned him in some game... -_- Except it was on facebook and was reported by someone who didn't know the kid. Look, if you want to say this stuff, set your facebook to private. Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook.
So what's the moral here? That Facebook is given infinitely more power than a site should ever really have?
Bottom line though it's kinda pathetic that you can be jailed without investigation for something you post on Facebook, OR ANY SITE FOR THAT MATTER, especially when it has an obvious disclaimer as to its intention.
The internet is not real life. People need to deal with it.
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On June 30 2013 22:07 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:03 Jek wrote:On June 30 2013 21:41 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 21:26 Jek wrote:
@MasterOfPuppets: How do you KNOW there's nothing in it?
To be honest, I don't know how to phrase this without sounding arrogant so please bear with me, I don't think the people in uproar has any idea how it is to have a mental disorder - which this kid might very well have - I have a bipolar disorder which if I forget my meds and trigger a fully-blown manic period I have the potential to be a threat to myself and my surroundings, I'm glad to know I have a red mark in my journal which allows the officials to by force, if needed, put me into a hospital.
Basically I think this kind of actions should be followed up on immediately, and the investigation should be swift so we don't have innocent people sitting incarcerated for this long. Listen buddy, I don't know where you live, where you've lived, how you've lived or what you're doing on an online gaming forum while having such little experience with online gaming. But I can tell you from my long history of multiplayer gaming, and the cumulated knowledge of everything I've seen, heard and experienced, that this isn't out of the ordinary. Hell, with XBox live's CoD and Halo, with League of Legends and other such casual-competitive games, it's even more prevalent now than it used to be. I've seen people rage like hell, and I hold nothing against them, fuck I'm not ashamed to admit that I've raged like hell too, and not only once. But it's ok. It's ok to be upset when someone on your team fucks up, or when you fuck up, or when you lose. It's ok, because it's passing. It's called competitive spirit, and anyone who's ever been competitive in anything, sports, board games, gambling, you name it, any of those people will at least understand the sentiment. You for some reason, don't seem to. Therein lies the problem... I find it quite funny you think I have little experience with online gaming when we're posting on teamliquid. This wasn't an in-game chat, this was on Facebook, which you seem to ignore for some reason. Oh you're right. It's on Facebook, therefore it must be personal and have nothing to do with very evident prior motives from inside the game... I guess everything our SC2 pros say on Twitter should be completely disregarded, because it's on Twitter, surely it can't have anything to do with the game right? Listen. I don't know why you're being so painfully obtuse about this, but this is only an extension of someone caring too much about a game, which again harkens back to my point about being competitive. It doesn't matter how he said it, he could've gone to the window and just yelled "FUCK" until his neighbours' windows all cracked, or smashed his keyboard into his monitor, it's the exact same thing. In fact his course of action should be perceived by any rational human being as the least destructive option. If you consider threatning with killing kids as the least destructive option I don't really know what to say.
People commit crimes of violence for trivial things every single day in all societies: homicide, assaults and suicides can be prevented if people act on these cases. I'd much rather have a potential threat be in custody in the few days of investigation needed and seeing another tradegy.
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On June 30 2013 22:16 Jek wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:07 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:03 Jek wrote:On June 30 2013 21:41 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 21:26 Jek wrote:
@MasterOfPuppets: How do you KNOW there's nothing in it?
To be honest, I don't know how to phrase this without sounding arrogant so please bear with me, I don't think the people in uproar has any idea how it is to have a mental disorder - which this kid might very well have - I have a bipolar disorder which if I forget my meds and trigger a fully-blown manic period I have the potential to be a threat to myself and my surroundings, I'm glad to know I have a red mark in my journal which allows the officials to by force, if needed, put me into a hospital.
Basically I think this kind of actions should be followed up on immediately, and the investigation should be swift so we don't have innocent people sitting incarcerated for this long. Listen buddy, I don't know where you live, where you've lived, how you've lived or what you're doing on an online gaming forum while having such little experience with online gaming. But I can tell you from my long history of multiplayer gaming, and the cumulated knowledge of everything I've seen, heard and experienced, that this isn't out of the ordinary. Hell, with XBox live's CoD and Halo, with League of Legends and other such casual-competitive games, it's even more prevalent now than it used to be. I've seen people rage like hell, and I hold nothing against them, fuck I'm not ashamed to admit that I've raged like hell too, and not only once. But it's ok. It's ok to be upset when someone on your team fucks up, or when you fuck up, or when you lose. It's ok, because it's passing. It's called competitive spirit, and anyone who's ever been competitive in anything, sports, board games, gambling, you name it, any of those people will at least understand the sentiment. You for some reason, don't seem to. Therein lies the problem... I find it quite funny you think I have little experience with online gaming when we're posting on teamliquid. This wasn't an in-game chat, this was on Facebook, which you seem to ignore for some reason. Oh you're right. It's on Facebook, therefore it must be personal and have nothing to do with very evident prior motives from inside the game... I guess everything our SC2 pros say on Twitter should be completely disregarded, because it's on Twitter, surely it can't have anything to do with the game right? Listen. I don't know why you're being so painfully obtuse about this, but this is only an extension of someone caring too much about a game, which again harkens back to my point about being competitive. It doesn't matter how he said it, he could've gone to the window and just yelled "FUCK" until his neighbours' windows all cracked, or smashed his keyboard into his monitor, it's the exact same thing. In fact his course of action should be perceived by any rational human being as the least destructive option. If you consider threatning with killing kids as the least destructive option I don't really know what to say. People commit crimes of violence for trivial things every single day in all societies: homicide, assaults and suicides can be prevented if people act on these cases. I'd much rather have a potential threat be in custody in the few days of investigation needed and seeing another tradegy.
It's not a threat.
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Meh that kid is fine, albeit stupid. Lots of people are stupid at age 19 though, before life sort of straightens them out. The great irony is that 8 years in those worthless prisons may turn him into an actual threat to society. Sad.
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On June 30 2013 22:15 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:14 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:08 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:07 Prog455 wrote:On June 30 2013 21:50 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 21:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 21:46 Plansix wrote: A valuable lesson to all. Don't say stupid shit on the internet. Its a bit unreasonable, but that is not a joke you make. Its sort of like posting "I'm building a bomb" and then just putting "JK, its totally fine". If you live near me, I'm still going to call someone to confirm you are not, in fact, building a bomb. It's ok to have someone confirm their intentions, it's NOT ok at all to jail them for numerous months (facing 8 years) without any form of investigation or background-check. If I say that I am going to shoot someone and they believe me, I can be sent to jail, even if I did not intend to do so. Threats of doing something is still a crime. I do agree that 8 years is a lot, though. Still, I need to know more and if he pushed it to trial, rather than plea out. I don't know about US, but at least in Denmark a person can not be punished for threats, unless the person is aware that his threats might actually cause fear. I am genuinely curious if American law considers the intention of the act when judging. In Denmark a person must have had an evil intent in order to be punished, unless the law states otherwise. At this point it is my impression that US law has gotten rid of any thing remotely related to common sense, and it would easy my mind to be proven wrong in this matter. It does and fear is important. But guess what, if you post shit like this on the internet, with limited context, it can cause a lot of fear. You're completely right, I pissed myself and started crying when some twerp threatened to find me and kill me and my family because I owned him in some game... -_- Except it was on facebook and was reported by someone who didn't know the kid. Look, if you want to say this stuff, set your facebook to private. Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. So what's the moral here? That Facebook is given infinitely more power than a site should ever really have? The moral of this story apparently is that if someone doesn't know what "lol" and "jk" stand for, you're fucked.
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Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook.
If you actually believe that, i don't know what to say.
But i actually do think you're smart enough to now that jackshit will happen. The police will pick you up and make a background check, that's it.
I'd much rather have a potential threat be in custody in the few days of investigation needed and seeing another tradegy.
4 months. Not "few days".
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On June 30 2013 22:07 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +You do know the UK is the worlds greatest offender of locking up people for saying dumb shit on facebook, right?
I don't. Feel free to show me.
Not to go really off topic with it, but there have been numerous cases of the UK arresting and/or improsoning people for people saying stupid shit on facebook and twitter. At least this one in Texas is just morons thinking someone made a threat, not someone being "mean" online and being locked up for it. Just a few links i found.
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On June 30 2013 22:14 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:12 Goibon wrote:On June 30 2013 22:10 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:08 Sokrates wrote:On June 30 2013 22:06 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:04 NovaTheFeared wrote:On June 30 2013 22:03 TheRabidDeer wrote: Is dark comedy illegal now? It is if Texas has its way. These actions by the state are infringements on 1st Amendment rights. It's absolutely disgusting. You don't have the right to threaten people with bodily harm under the 1st Amendment. Dark comedy requires context, which facebook does not provide. You dont get this. You cant compare the internet to the real world since everyone treats the internet differnt than the real world NO MATTER WHAT if it should be that way. Fact is on the internet people act differntly than in the real world. If you go out on the real world and threaten people to kill or rape them you gotta be in trouble. In the internet it is a thing you hear everyday. Some people really don't seem to get this for some reason... I get it, i just don't agree with it, and that's probably why this story brings such joy to my heart. And what brings joy to my heart is that worldwide internet censorship is improbable to ever happen, no matter how much people like you would crave it. I think it might. Lawmakers will catch up to the internet eventually. They're still so far behind because they're all old and stupid and don't get it. Once the people in charge are my age things will be different and internet behaviour will have the same or at least similar repurcussions as it does in the real world.
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There was another post where the following was written, I think it applies to this one aswell.
^ 'muricans.
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On June 30 2013 22:16 Jek wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:07 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:03 Jek wrote:On June 30 2013 21:41 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 21:26 Jek wrote:
@MasterOfPuppets: How do you KNOW there's nothing in it?
To be honest, I don't know how to phrase this without sounding arrogant so please bear with me, I don't think the people in uproar has any idea how it is to have a mental disorder - which this kid might very well have - I have a bipolar disorder which if I forget my meds and trigger a fully-blown manic period I have the potential to be a threat to myself and my surroundings, I'm glad to know I have a red mark in my journal which allows the officials to by force, if needed, put me into a hospital.
Basically I think this kind of actions should be followed up on immediately, and the investigation should be swift so we don't have innocent people sitting incarcerated for this long. Listen buddy, I don't know where you live, where you've lived, how you've lived or what you're doing on an online gaming forum while having such little experience with online gaming. But I can tell you from my long history of multiplayer gaming, and the cumulated knowledge of everything I've seen, heard and experienced, that this isn't out of the ordinary. Hell, with XBox live's CoD and Halo, with League of Legends and other such casual-competitive games, it's even more prevalent now than it used to be. I've seen people rage like hell, and I hold nothing against them, fuck I'm not ashamed to admit that I've raged like hell too, and not only once. But it's ok. It's ok to be upset when someone on your team fucks up, or when you fuck up, or when you lose. It's ok, because it's passing. It's called competitive spirit, and anyone who's ever been competitive in anything, sports, board games, gambling, you name it, any of those people will at least understand the sentiment. You for some reason, don't seem to. Therein lies the problem... I find it quite funny you think I have little experience with online gaming when we're posting on teamliquid. This wasn't an in-game chat, this was on Facebook, which you seem to ignore for some reason. Oh you're right. It's on Facebook, therefore it must be personal and have nothing to do with very evident prior motives from inside the game... I guess everything our SC2 pros say on Twitter should be completely disregarded, because it's on Twitter, surely it can't have anything to do with the game right? Listen. I don't know why you're being so painfully obtuse about this, but this is only an extension of someone caring too much about a game, which again harkens back to my point about being competitive. It doesn't matter how he said it, he could've gone to the window and just yelled "FUCK" until his neighbours' windows all cracked, or smashed his keyboard into his monitor, it's the exact same thing. In fact his course of action should be perceived by any rational human being as the least destructive option. If you consider threatning with killing kids as the least destructive option I don't really know what to say. People commit crimes of violence for trivial things every single day in all societies: homicide, assaults and suicides can be prevented if people act on these cases. I'd much rather have a potential threat be in custody in the few days of investigation needed and seeing another tradegy.
Everyone with working limbs and a brain is a potential threat. I'm being straight with you. Anyone in the world has the capacity to do harm to another person, either by misunderstanding, by accident, by male-intention, or by misdirection. Do we jail everyone? There isn't a simple person in the world who hasn't gotten extremely angry about one thing or the other and wished something bad on someone or something else.
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On June 30 2013 22:15 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:14 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:08 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:07 Prog455 wrote:On June 30 2013 21:50 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 21:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 21:46 Plansix wrote: A valuable lesson to all. Don't say stupid shit on the internet. Its a bit unreasonable, but that is not a joke you make. Its sort of like posting "I'm building a bomb" and then just putting "JK, its totally fine". If you live near me, I'm still going to call someone to confirm you are not, in fact, building a bomb. It's ok to have someone confirm their intentions, it's NOT ok at all to jail them for numerous months (facing 8 years) without any form of investigation or background-check. If I say that I am going to shoot someone and they believe me, I can be sent to jail, even if I did not intend to do so. Threats of doing something is still a crime. I do agree that 8 years is a lot, though. Still, I need to know more and if he pushed it to trial, rather than plea out. I don't know about US, but at least in Denmark a person can not be punished for threats, unless the person is aware that his threats might actually cause fear. I am genuinely curious if American law considers the intention of the act when judging. In Denmark a person must have had an evil intent in order to be punished, unless the law states otherwise. At this point it is my impression that US law has gotten rid of any thing remotely related to common sense, and it would easy my mind to be proven wrong in this matter. It does and fear is important. But guess what, if you post shit like this on the internet, with limited context, it can cause a lot of fear. You're completely right, I pissed myself and started crying when some twerp threatened to find me and kill me and my family because I owned him in some game... -_- Except it was on facebook and was reported by someone who didn't know the kid. Look, if you want to say this stuff, set your facebook to private. Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. So what's the moral here? That Facebook is given infinitely more power than a site should ever really have? Bottom line though it's kinda pathetic that you can be jailed without investigation for something you post on Facebook, OR ANY SITE FOR THAT MATTER, especially when it has an obvious disclaimer as to its intention. The internet is not real life. People need to deal with it. Except for when it is, like a couple of school shooting where the kids almost mapped out their plans on the internet.
Seriously, if you wouldn't write it down on a piece of paper because someone might read it and get the wrong idea, don't write it on the internet.
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On June 30 2013 22:18 Goibon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:14 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:12 Goibon wrote:On June 30 2013 22:10 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:08 Sokrates wrote:On June 30 2013 22:06 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:04 NovaTheFeared wrote:On June 30 2013 22:03 TheRabidDeer wrote: Is dark comedy illegal now? It is if Texas has its way. These actions by the state are infringements on 1st Amendment rights. It's absolutely disgusting. You don't have the right to threaten people with bodily harm under the 1st Amendment. Dark comedy requires context, which facebook does not provide. You dont get this. You cant compare the internet to the real world since everyone treats the internet differnt than the real world NO MATTER WHAT if it should be that way. Fact is on the internet people act differntly than in the real world. If you go out on the real world and threaten people to kill or rape them you gotta be in trouble. In the internet it is a thing you hear everyday. Some people really don't seem to get this for some reason... I get it, i just don't agree with it, and that's probably why this story brings such joy to my heart. And what brings joy to my heart is that worldwide internet censorship is improbable to ever happen, no matter how much people like you would crave it. I think it might. Lawmakers will catch up to the internet eventually. They're still so far behind because they're all old and stupid and don't get it. Once the people in charge are my age things will be different and internet behaviour will have the same or at least similar repurcussions as it does in the real world.
You need to look out the window and realize that in many countries nobody gives a shit. Quite frankly I find that by far the best solution, since you won't have the possibility to fuck with innocent people's lives for no reason, while at the same time not giving dumb trolls and raging kids more attention than they should ever deserve.
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On June 30 2013 22:17 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. If you actually believe that, i don't know what to say. But i actually do think you're smart enough to now that jackshit will happen. The police will pick you up and make a background check, that's it. Show nested quote +I'd much rather have a potential threat be in custody in the few days of investigation needed and seeing another tradegy. 4 months. Not "few days". He has been in jail for 4 months because no one posted bail, which is sad it in its own right.
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On June 30 2013 22:18 Goibon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:14 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:12 Goibon wrote:On June 30 2013 22:10 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:08 Sokrates wrote:On June 30 2013 22:06 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:04 NovaTheFeared wrote:On June 30 2013 22:03 TheRabidDeer wrote: Is dark comedy illegal now? It is if Texas has its way. These actions by the state are infringements on 1st Amendment rights. It's absolutely disgusting. You don't have the right to threaten people with bodily harm under the 1st Amendment. Dark comedy requires context, which facebook does not provide. You dont get this. You cant compare the internet to the real world since everyone treats the internet differnt than the real world NO MATTER WHAT if it should be that way. Fact is on the internet people act differntly than in the real world. If you go out on the real world and threaten people to kill or rape them you gotta be in trouble. In the internet it is a thing you hear everyday. Some people really don't seem to get this for some reason... I get it, i just don't agree with it, and that's probably why this story brings such joy to my heart. And what brings joy to my heart is that worldwide internet censorship is improbable to ever happen, no matter how much people like you would crave it. I think it might. Lawmakers will catch up to the internet eventually. They're still so far behind because they're all old and stupid and don't get it. Once the people in charge are my age things will be different and internet behaviour will have the same or at least similar repurcussions as it does in the real world.
So by that you mean the people in power get to say and do what ever they want and the people with out power are marginalized? Groups like the KKK, gangs, hate-spilling radicals, they are all well and good and operating under 1st amendment rights with in the United States.
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On June 30 2013 22:17 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. If you actually believe that, i don't know what to say. But i actually do think you're smart enough to now that jackshit will happen. The police will pick you up and make a background check, that's it. Show nested quote +I'd much rather have a potential threat be in custody in the few days of investigation needed and seeing another tradegy. 4 months. Not "few days".
4 months plus charged with a crime after it's clear that the threat wasn't credible. I already agreed that an investigation is reasonable on the extremely unlikely chance he was serious. Going beyond that into felony criminal charges was wrong.
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On June 30 2013 22:16 Jek wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:07 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:03 Jek wrote:On June 30 2013 21:41 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 21:26 Jek wrote:
@MasterOfPuppets: How do you KNOW there's nothing in it?
To be honest, I don't know how to phrase this without sounding arrogant so please bear with me, I don't think the people in uproar has any idea how it is to have a mental disorder - which this kid might very well have - I have a bipolar disorder which if I forget my meds and trigger a fully-blown manic period I have the potential to be a threat to myself and my surroundings, I'm glad to know I have a red mark in my journal which allows the officials to by force, if needed, put me into a hospital.
Basically I think this kind of actions should be followed up on immediately, and the investigation should be swift so we don't have innocent people sitting incarcerated for this long. Listen buddy, I don't know where you live, where you've lived, how you've lived or what you're doing on an online gaming forum while having such little experience with online gaming. But I can tell you from my long history of multiplayer gaming, and the cumulated knowledge of everything I've seen, heard and experienced, that this isn't out of the ordinary. Hell, with XBox live's CoD and Halo, with League of Legends and other such casual-competitive games, it's even more prevalent now than it used to be. I've seen people rage like hell, and I hold nothing against them, fuck I'm not ashamed to admit that I've raged like hell too, and not only once. But it's ok. It's ok to be upset when someone on your team fucks up, or when you fuck up, or when you lose. It's ok, because it's passing. It's called competitive spirit, and anyone who's ever been competitive in anything, sports, board games, gambling, you name it, any of those people will at least understand the sentiment. You for some reason, don't seem to. Therein lies the problem... I find it quite funny you think I have little experience with online gaming when we're posting on teamliquid. This wasn't an in-game chat, this was on Facebook, which you seem to ignore for some reason. Oh you're right. It's on Facebook, therefore it must be personal and have nothing to do with very evident prior motives from inside the game... I guess everything our SC2 pros say on Twitter should be completely disregarded, because it's on Twitter, surely it can't have anything to do with the game right? Listen. I don't know why you're being so painfully obtuse about this, but this is only an extension of someone caring too much about a game, which again harkens back to my point about being competitive. It doesn't matter how he said it, he could've gone to the window and just yelled "FUCK" until his neighbours' windows all cracked, or smashed his keyboard into his monitor, it's the exact same thing. In fact his course of action should be perceived by any rational human being as the least destructive option. If you consider threatning with killing kids as the least destructive option I don't really know what to say. People commit crimes of violence for trivial things every single day in all societies: homicide, assaults and suicides can be prevented if people act on these cases. I'd much rather have a potential threat be in custody in the few days of investigation needed and seeing another tradegy. America already has a ludicrous number of people in jail. And what you are saying approaches thought police very quickly.
Imagine where federal agencies monitor everything you say (like they do) and every time a flag pops up about anything warranted 4 months in prison. Imagine all of the people that have made the joke about "oh I know the gov is listening so something about a bomb somewhere"... they would all be in prison.
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On June 30 2013 22:19 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:15 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:14 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:08 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:07 Prog455 wrote:On June 30 2013 21:50 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 21:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 21:46 Plansix wrote: A valuable lesson to all. Don't say stupid shit on the internet. Its a bit unreasonable, but that is not a joke you make. Its sort of like posting "I'm building a bomb" and then just putting "JK, its totally fine". If you live near me, I'm still going to call someone to confirm you are not, in fact, building a bomb. It's ok to have someone confirm their intentions, it's NOT ok at all to jail them for numerous months (facing 8 years) without any form of investigation or background-check. If I say that I am going to shoot someone and they believe me, I can be sent to jail, even if I did not intend to do so. Threats of doing something is still a crime. I do agree that 8 years is a lot, though. Still, I need to know more and if he pushed it to trial, rather than plea out. I don't know about US, but at least in Denmark a person can not be punished for threats, unless the person is aware that his threats might actually cause fear. I am genuinely curious if American law considers the intention of the act when judging. In Denmark a person must have had an evil intent in order to be punished, unless the law states otherwise. At this point it is my impression that US law has gotten rid of any thing remotely related to common sense, and it would easy my mind to be proven wrong in this matter. It does and fear is important. But guess what, if you post shit like this on the internet, with limited context, it can cause a lot of fear. You're completely right, I pissed myself and started crying when some twerp threatened to find me and kill me and my family because I owned him in some game... -_- Except it was on facebook and was reported by someone who didn't know the kid. Look, if you want to say this stuff, set your facebook to private. Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. So what's the moral here? That Facebook is given infinitely more power than a site should ever really have? Bottom line though it's kinda pathetic that you can be jailed without investigation for something you post on Facebook, OR ANY SITE FOR THAT MATTER, especially when it has an obvious disclaimer as to its intention. The internet is not real life. People need to deal with it. Except for when it is, like a couple of school shooting where the kids almost mapped out their plans on the internet. Seriously, if you wouldn't write it down on a piece of paper because someone might read it and get the wrong idea, don't write it on the internet.
Mapping a plan, having recipes for IDEs, basically anything that explicitly detailed is completely different from "imma fuck u up lol jk" or any variation thereof.
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Oh guys... how I feel like telling you all I'm going to shoot every single kid at the local primary school right now.
However, doing so might impede my plans for tomorrow, so I'll restrain myself.
(Shall I finish this off with a "JK"?)
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The amount of people supporting this guy spending the last 4 months in prison, guilty or not, is disheartening. You people are terrifying and it's sad to see people embracing the fact that they live in a police state.
On June 30 2013 22:07 SgtCoDFish wrote: I feel like he needs therapy, not jail. Certainly, a huge amount of people would be pretty upset to hear that a guy who lives near a school was saying things like this, even with "lol jk" added, and that nothing was done about it.
Can you even begin to imagine the media furore if someone actually did shoot up a school and they'd said stuff like this on FB?
"Shocking revelations today as it's revealed that the alleged perpetrator of the recent school shooting, which left several children as young as 9 dead or critically injured, had made sick comments on Facebook as soon as a week before the attack about killing kids and eating their hearts"
We can all imagine a news reader saying that.
More than likely he was just an upset guy who doesn't know how to handle his emotions properly and he needs help to deal with things better. But a guy threatening this on the street would be arrested, and I think Facebook and Twitter should be considered to be "in public" as well (although I'd imagine some people disagree and would say otherwise)
I don't see, having said that, how locking him up for 4 months let alone 8 years will produce a productive, helpful member of society out of this guy. He needs a psychiatrist, not a jail warden, and I feel that a police warning would have probably been enough to make him realise that certain things are pretty disturbing when said in public.
(NB: None of the above is a legal opinion, because I neither know nor care how the laws of the US will apply to this guy; I'm talking about ideas and what would be best in my opinion)
You're completely wrong about this person not knowing how to handle his emotions. He made a stupid sarcastic that was meant to be read by a friend as a joke. THAT'S IT.
This is something that happens millions of times on a daily basis. Not that exact phrase obviously, but something sarcastically exaggerating a response to someone as a joke. And he spent at least 4 months behind bars because of it.
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America never ceases to amaze me, I've said crazy shit playing video games thousands of times, by American standards i'm probably a bigger threat than Charles Manson.
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On June 30 2013 22:17 DannyJ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:07 m4inbrain wrote:You do know the UK is the worlds greatest offender of locking up people for saying dumb shit on facebook, right?
I don't. Feel free to show me. Not to go really off topic with it, but there have been numerous cases of the UK arresting and/or improsoning people for people saying stupid shit on facebook and twitter. At least this one in Texas is just morons thinking someone made a threat, not someone being "mean" online and being locked up for it. Just a few links i found. + Show Spoiler +
Okay. You're right. UK is as retarded in this regard, i'm fine with that.
Btw, the only "mean" guy in your links made numerous postings, not just one with "jk" behind it. Just as a sidenote, doesn't really matter though.
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On June 30 2013 22:21 Passion wrote: Oh guys... how I feel like telling you all I'm going to shoot every single kid at the local primary school right now.
However, doing so might impede my plans for tomorrow, so I'll restrain myself.
(Shall I finish this off with a "JK"?)
Just for that I'm gonna atom bomb the netherlands! JK.
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Some people don't seem to understand how legislation works when it comes to making threats. Basically, if it's meant to instill fear and does so, then it's illegal. Of course it might vary from country to country but that's the general principle. That means that the context in which the "threat" was made is essential. In this case, it was obviously a sarcastic comment and an extreme exaggeration ("eating their hearts", seriously?), and that alone would mean the statement was in no way illegal. The fact that he wrote "jk" and "lol" makes it brutally obvious it wasn't serious.
Just as saying "I'm gonna kill you" can be considered totally ok under certain circumstances (two friends bantering for instance), saying "be careful or something might happen to you" can be considered a threat under other circumstances (organized crime extortion for instance). Under extreme circumstances you can even be making a threat without voicing a single word, if say a criminal stares "aggressively" on a prosecutor in a court room. You can't blindly look at only the words said when judging wether a statement is illegal or not.
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On June 30 2013 22:21 Kurr wrote:The amount of people supporting this guy spending the last 4 months in prison, guilty or not, is disheartening. You people are terrifying and it's sad to see people embracing the fact that they live in a police state. Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:07 SgtCoDFish wrote: I feel like he needs therapy, not jail. Certainly, a huge amount of people would be pretty upset to hear that a guy who lives near a school was saying things like this, even with "lol jk" added, and that nothing was done about it.
Can you even begin to imagine the media furore if someone actually did shoot up a school and they'd said stuff like this on FB?
"Shocking revelations today as it's revealed that the alleged perpetrator of the recent school shooting, which left several children as young as 9 dead or critically injured, had made sick comments on Facebook as soon as a week before the attack about killing kids and eating their hearts"
We can all imagine a news reader saying that.
More than likely he was just an upset guy who doesn't know how to handle his emotions properly and he needs help to deal with things better. But a guy threatening this on the street would be arrested, and I think Facebook and Twitter should be considered to be "in public" as well (although I'd imagine some people disagree and would say otherwise)
I don't see, having said that, how locking him up for 4 months let alone 8 years will produce a productive, helpful member of society out of this guy. He needs a psychiatrist, not a jail warden, and I feel that a police warning would have probably been enough to make him realise that certain things are pretty disturbing when said in public.
(NB: None of the above is a legal opinion, because I neither know nor care how the laws of the US will apply to this guy; I'm talking about ideas and what would be best in my opinion) You're completely wrong about this person not knowing how to handle his emotions. He made a stupid sarcastic that was meant to be read by a friend as a joke. THAT'S IT. This is something that happens millions of times on a daily basis. Not that exact phrase obviously, but something sarcastically exaggerating a response to someone as a joke. And he spent at least 4 months behind bars because of it. Set your facebook to private if you are doing to do that. Also, if he had written this down in a notebook and gotten arrested, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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@MasterOfPuppets: How would you know?
@m4inbrain: Yes, it's 4 months which is what I consider preposterous as an investigation and evaluation can do over the span of a few days.
@Caihead: You cannot compare having the ability to do something to actually making a public statement about doing it.
I pretty much agree with everything Plansix have been writing.
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On June 30 2013 22:20 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:17 m4inbrain wrote:Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. If you actually believe that, i don't know what to say. But i actually do think you're smart enough to now that jackshit will happen. The police will pick you up and make a background check, that's it. I'd much rather have a potential threat be in custody in the few days of investigation needed and seeing another tradegy. 4 months. Not "few days". He has been in jail for 4 months because no one posted bail, which is sad it in its own right.
Does that mean noone paid bail or noone tried to? I'm not familiar with that bailstuff.
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On June 30 2013 22:22 NovaTheFeared wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:21 Passion wrote: Oh guys... how I feel like telling you all I'm going to shoot every single kid at the local primary school right now.
However, doing so might impede my plans for tomorrow, so I'll restrain myself.
(Shall I finish this off with a "JK"?) Just for that I'm gonna atom bomb the netherlands! JK. You just scared me shitless - somebody arrest this guy!
On June 30 2013 22:19 Plansix wrote: Seriously, if you wouldn't write it down on a piece of paper because someone might read it and get the wrong idea, don't write it on the internet. There's nothing I wouldn't put on a piece of paper (without talking contracts). I couldn't care less about people getting the wrong idea.
Luckily I live in a nation where you're not a criminal until you commit a crime (writing on either paper or internet aren't considered such).
Now let's pray I don't get arrested for above remark.
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Well, they made a good example of this guy. There are some things you are not supposed to say even as a joke on the internet. General BM itself might be fine, but making a threat is not.
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On June 30 2013 22:22 NovaTheFeared wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:21 Passion wrote: Oh guys... how I feel like telling you all I'm going to shoot every single kid at the local primary school right now.
However, doing so might impede my plans for tomorrow, so I'll restrain myself.
(Shall I finish this off with a "JK"?) Just for that I'm gonna atom bomb the netherlands! JK.
Let's hunt and kill Billy Ray Cyrus
That's a Bill Hicks joke btw before yall get upset.
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On June 30 2013 22:24 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:22 NovaTheFeared wrote:On June 30 2013 22:21 Passion wrote: Oh guys... how I feel like telling you all I'm going to shoot every single kid at the local primary school right now.
However, doing so might impede my plans for tomorrow, so I'll restrain myself.
(Shall I finish this off with a "JK"?) Just for that I'm gonna atom bomb the netherlands! JK. Let's hunt and kill Billy Ray Cyrus That's a Bill Hicks joke btw before yall get upset.
Scared of getting jailtime?
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On June 30 2013 22:19 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:15 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:14 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:08 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:07 Prog455 wrote:On June 30 2013 21:50 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 21:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 21:46 Plansix wrote: A valuable lesson to all. Don't say stupid shit on the internet. Its a bit unreasonable, but that is not a joke you make. Its sort of like posting "I'm building a bomb" and then just putting "JK, its totally fine". If you live near me, I'm still going to call someone to confirm you are not, in fact, building a bomb. It's ok to have someone confirm their intentions, it's NOT ok at all to jail them for numerous months (facing 8 years) without any form of investigation or background-check. If I say that I am going to shoot someone and they believe me, I can be sent to jail, even if I did not intend to do so. Threats of doing something is still a crime. I do agree that 8 years is a lot, though. Still, I need to know more and if he pushed it to trial, rather than plea out. I don't know about US, but at least in Denmark a person can not be punished for threats, unless the person is aware that his threats might actually cause fear. I am genuinely curious if American law considers the intention of the act when judging. In Denmark a person must have had an evil intent in order to be punished, unless the law states otherwise. At this point it is my impression that US law has gotten rid of any thing remotely related to common sense, and it would easy my mind to be proven wrong in this matter. It does and fear is important. But guess what, if you post shit like this on the internet, with limited context, it can cause a lot of fear. You're completely right, I pissed myself and started crying when some twerp threatened to find me and kill me and my family because I owned him in some game... -_- Except it was on facebook and was reported by someone who didn't know the kid. Look, if you want to say this stuff, set your facebook to private. Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. So what's the moral here? That Facebook is given infinitely more power than a site should ever really have? Bottom line though it's kinda pathetic that you can be jailed without investigation for something you post on Facebook, OR ANY SITE FOR THAT MATTER, especially when it has an obvious disclaimer as to its intention. The internet is not real life. People need to deal with it. Except for when it is, like a couple of school shooting where the kids almost mapped out their plans on the internet. Seriously, if you wouldn't write it down on a piece of paper because someone might read it and get the wrong idea, don't write it on the internet.
Except this is not the case here! He did not map out anything as far as I know. According to the newspaper article he was arrested a month after the fact. How about you spend some months in prison, then you can talk about how realistic this situation is, provided the reporting is an accurate portrayal of the facts.
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On June 30 2013 22:22 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:21 Kurr wrote:The amount of people supporting this guy spending the last 4 months in prison, guilty or not, is disheartening. You people are terrifying and it's sad to see people embracing the fact that they live in a police state. On June 30 2013 22:07 SgtCoDFish wrote: I feel like he needs therapy, not jail. Certainly, a huge amount of people would be pretty upset to hear that a guy who lives near a school was saying things like this, even with "lol jk" added, and that nothing was done about it.
Can you even begin to imagine the media furore if someone actually did shoot up a school and they'd said stuff like this on FB?
"Shocking revelations today as it's revealed that the alleged perpetrator of the recent school shooting, which left several children as young as 9 dead or critically injured, had made sick comments on Facebook as soon as a week before the attack about killing kids and eating their hearts"
We can all imagine a news reader saying that.
More than likely he was just an upset guy who doesn't know how to handle his emotions properly and he needs help to deal with things better. But a guy threatening this on the street would be arrested, and I think Facebook and Twitter should be considered to be "in public" as well (although I'd imagine some people disagree and would say otherwise)
I don't see, having said that, how locking him up for 4 months let alone 8 years will produce a productive, helpful member of society out of this guy. He needs a psychiatrist, not a jail warden, and I feel that a police warning would have probably been enough to make him realise that certain things are pretty disturbing when said in public.
(NB: None of the above is a legal opinion, because I neither know nor care how the laws of the US will apply to this guy; I'm talking about ideas and what would be best in my opinion) You're completely wrong about this person not knowing how to handle his emotions. He made a stupid sarcastic that was meant to be read by a friend as a joke. THAT'S IT. This is something that happens millions of times on a daily basis. Not that exact phrase obviously, but something sarcastically exaggerating a response to someone as a joke. And he spent at least 4 months behind bars because of it. Set your facebook to private if you are doing to do that. Also, if he had written this down in a notebook and gotten arrested, we wouldn't be having this discussion. He made the post on somebody elses facebook page, didnt he? Which means what he posts isnt from his privacy settings?
EDIT: Also, the woman that found it may have been friends with one of the 3 parties involved.
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On June 30 2013 22:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:19 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:15 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:14 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:08 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:07 Prog455 wrote:On June 30 2013 21:50 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 21:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 21:46 Plansix wrote: A valuable lesson to all. Don't say stupid shit on the internet. Its a bit unreasonable, but that is not a joke you make. Its sort of like posting "I'm building a bomb" and then just putting "JK, its totally fine". If you live near me, I'm still going to call someone to confirm you are not, in fact, building a bomb. It's ok to have someone confirm their intentions, it's NOT ok at all to jail them for numerous months (facing 8 years) without any form of investigation or background-check. If I say that I am going to shoot someone and they believe me, I can be sent to jail, even if I did not intend to do so. Threats of doing something is still a crime. I do agree that 8 years is a lot, though. Still, I need to know more and if he pushed it to trial, rather than plea out. I don't know about US, but at least in Denmark a person can not be punished for threats, unless the person is aware that his threats might actually cause fear. I am genuinely curious if American law considers the intention of the act when judging. In Denmark a person must have had an evil intent in order to be punished, unless the law states otherwise. At this point it is my impression that US law has gotten rid of any thing remotely related to common sense, and it would easy my mind to be proven wrong in this matter. It does and fear is important. But guess what, if you post shit like this on the internet, with limited context, it can cause a lot of fear. You're completely right, I pissed myself and started crying when some twerp threatened to find me and kill me and my family because I owned him in some game... -_- Except it was on facebook and was reported by someone who didn't know the kid. Look, if you want to say this stuff, set your facebook to private. Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. So what's the moral here? That Facebook is given infinitely more power than a site should ever really have? Bottom line though it's kinda pathetic that you can be jailed without investigation for something you post on Facebook, OR ANY SITE FOR THAT MATTER, especially when it has an obvious disclaimer as to its intention. The internet is not real life. People need to deal with it. Except for when it is, like a couple of school shooting where the kids almost mapped out their plans on the internet. Seriously, if you wouldn't write it down on a piece of paper because someone might read it and get the wrong idea, don't write it on the internet. Mapping a plan, having recipes for IDEs, basically anything that explicitly detailed is completely different from "imma fuck u up lol jk" or any variation thereof. Yeah, so he got charged with a lesser crime that carries a maximum penalty of 8 years. Guess what, his trial is tomorrow and he is going to plea out for less and not go to jail. They don't jail people for shit like this, it cost to much.
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On June 30 2013 22:23 Jek wrote: @MasterOfPuppets: How would you know?
I don't.
That's the thing. No investigation was made. This guy was put into jail without anyone legitimately looking into his history and records (if any).
That would make my guess as good as yours, except for the fact that you don't seem to have spent a lot of time on the internet to simply understand the nuances of these things. I have. It's intuitive, sure, but it has never failed me.
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On June 30 2013 22:22 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:21 Kurr wrote:The amount of people supporting this guy spending the last 4 months in prison, guilty or not, is disheartening. You people are terrifying and it's sad to see people embracing the fact that they live in a police state. On June 30 2013 22:07 SgtCoDFish wrote: I feel like he needs therapy, not jail. Certainly, a huge amount of people would be pretty upset to hear that a guy who lives near a school was saying things like this, even with "lol jk" added, and that nothing was done about it.
Can you even begin to imagine the media furore if someone actually did shoot up a school and they'd said stuff like this on FB?
"Shocking revelations today as it's revealed that the alleged perpetrator of the recent school shooting, which left several children as young as 9 dead or critically injured, had made sick comments on Facebook as soon as a week before the attack about killing kids and eating their hearts"
We can all imagine a news reader saying that.
More than likely he was just an upset guy who doesn't know how to handle his emotions properly and he needs help to deal with things better. But a guy threatening this on the street would be arrested, and I think Facebook and Twitter should be considered to be "in public" as well (although I'd imagine some people disagree and would say otherwise)
I don't see, having said that, how locking him up for 4 months let alone 8 years will produce a productive, helpful member of society out of this guy. He needs a psychiatrist, not a jail warden, and I feel that a police warning would have probably been enough to make him realise that certain things are pretty disturbing when said in public.
(NB: None of the above is a legal opinion, because I neither know nor care how the laws of the US will apply to this guy; I'm talking about ideas and what would be best in my opinion) You're completely wrong about this person not knowing how to handle his emotions. He made a stupid sarcastic that was meant to be read by a friend as a joke. THAT'S IT. This is something that happens millions of times on a daily basis. Not that exact phrase obviously, but something sarcastically exaggerating a response to someone as a joke. And he spent at least 4 months behind bars because of it. Set your facebook to private if you are doing to do that. Also, if he had written this down in a notebook and gotten arrested, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Plansix you seem to be forgetting the fact that the NSA actually has access to private facebook messages as well as the ability to wiretap basically any form of electronic media. So what does making it private do?
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On June 30 2013 22:25 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:19 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:15 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:14 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:08 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:07 Prog455 wrote:On June 30 2013 21:50 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 21:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote: [quote]
It's ok to have someone confirm their intentions, it's NOT ok at all to jail them for numerous months (facing 8 years) without any form of investigation or background-check. If I say that I am going to shoot someone and they believe me, I can be sent to jail, even if I did not intend to do so. Threats of doing something is still a crime. I do agree that 8 years is a lot, though. Still, I need to know more and if he pushed it to trial, rather than plea out. I don't know about US, but at least in Denmark a person can not be punished for threats, unless the person is aware that his threats might actually cause fear. I am genuinely curious if American law considers the intention of the act when judging. In Denmark a person must have had an evil intent in order to be punished, unless the law states otherwise. At this point it is my impression that US law has gotten rid of any thing remotely related to common sense, and it would easy my mind to be proven wrong in this matter. It does and fear is important. But guess what, if you post shit like this on the internet, with limited context, it can cause a lot of fear. You're completely right, I pissed myself and started crying when some twerp threatened to find me and kill me and my family because I owned him in some game... -_- Except it was on facebook and was reported by someone who didn't know the kid. Look, if you want to say this stuff, set your facebook to private. Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. So what's the moral here? That Facebook is given infinitely more power than a site should ever really have? Bottom line though it's kinda pathetic that you can be jailed without investigation for something you post on Facebook, OR ANY SITE FOR THAT MATTER, especially when it has an obvious disclaimer as to its intention. The internet is not real life. People need to deal with it. Except for when it is, like a couple of school shooting where the kids almost mapped out their plans on the internet. Seriously, if you wouldn't write it down on a piece of paper because someone might read it and get the wrong idea, don't write it on the internet. Mapping a plan, having recipes for IDEs, basically anything that explicitly detailed is completely different from "imma fuck u up lol jk" or any variation thereof. Yeah, so he got charged with a lesser crime that carries a maximum penalty of 8 years. Guess what, his trial is tomorrow and he is going to plea out for less and not go to jail. They don't jail people for shit like this, it cost to much.
Except the 16 weeks(!!!) he's already inside the jail. You somehow miss that every single time.
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On June 30 2013 22:25 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:19 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:15 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:14 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:08 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:07 Prog455 wrote:On June 30 2013 21:50 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 21:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote: [quote]
It's ok to have someone confirm their intentions, it's NOT ok at all to jail them for numerous months (facing 8 years) without any form of investigation or background-check. If I say that I am going to shoot someone and they believe me, I can be sent to jail, even if I did not intend to do so. Threats of doing something is still a crime. I do agree that 8 years is a lot, though. Still, I need to know more and if he pushed it to trial, rather than plea out. I don't know about US, but at least in Denmark a person can not be punished for threats, unless the person is aware that his threats might actually cause fear. I am genuinely curious if American law considers the intention of the act when judging. In Denmark a person must have had an evil intent in order to be punished, unless the law states otherwise. At this point it is my impression that US law has gotten rid of any thing remotely related to common sense, and it would easy my mind to be proven wrong in this matter. It does and fear is important. But guess what, if you post shit like this on the internet, with limited context, it can cause a lot of fear. You're completely right, I pissed myself and started crying when some twerp threatened to find me and kill me and my family because I owned him in some game... -_- Except it was on facebook and was reported by someone who didn't know the kid. Look, if you want to say this stuff, set your facebook to private. Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. So what's the moral here? That Facebook is given infinitely more power than a site should ever really have? Bottom line though it's kinda pathetic that you can be jailed without investigation for something you post on Facebook, OR ANY SITE FOR THAT MATTER, especially when it has an obvious disclaimer as to its intention. The internet is not real life. People need to deal with it. Except for when it is, like a couple of school shooting where the kids almost mapped out their plans on the internet. Seriously, if you wouldn't write it down on a piece of paper because someone might read it and get the wrong idea, don't write it on the internet. Mapping a plan, having recipes for IDEs, basically anything that explicitly detailed is completely different from "imma fuck u up lol jk" or any variation thereof. Yeah, so he got charged with a lesser crime that carries a maximum penalty of 8 years. Guess what, his trial is tomorrow and he is going to plea out for less and not go to jail. They don't jail people for shit like this, it cost to much.
We'll have to see about that. Hopefully you're right on this, but it wouldn't surprise me if it went the other way.. -_-
Still you don't seem to understand the fact that he spent 4 months in jail without any form of investigation having taken place.
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On June 30 2013 22:25 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:22 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:21 Kurr wrote:The amount of people supporting this guy spending the last 4 months in prison, guilty or not, is disheartening. You people are terrifying and it's sad to see people embracing the fact that they live in a police state. On June 30 2013 22:07 SgtCoDFish wrote: I feel like he needs therapy, not jail. Certainly, a huge amount of people would be pretty upset to hear that a guy who lives near a school was saying things like this, even with "lol jk" added, and that nothing was done about it.
Can you even begin to imagine the media furore if someone actually did shoot up a school and they'd said stuff like this on FB?
"Shocking revelations today as it's revealed that the alleged perpetrator of the recent school shooting, which left several children as young as 9 dead or critically injured, had made sick comments on Facebook as soon as a week before the attack about killing kids and eating their hearts"
We can all imagine a news reader saying that.
More than likely he was just an upset guy who doesn't know how to handle his emotions properly and he needs help to deal with things better. But a guy threatening this on the street would be arrested, and I think Facebook and Twitter should be considered to be "in public" as well (although I'd imagine some people disagree and would say otherwise)
I don't see, having said that, how locking him up for 4 months let alone 8 years will produce a productive, helpful member of society out of this guy. He needs a psychiatrist, not a jail warden, and I feel that a police warning would have probably been enough to make him realise that certain things are pretty disturbing when said in public.
(NB: None of the above is a legal opinion, because I neither know nor care how the laws of the US will apply to this guy; I'm talking about ideas and what would be best in my opinion) You're completely wrong about this person not knowing how to handle his emotions. He made a stupid sarcastic that was meant to be read by a friend as a joke. THAT'S IT. This is something that happens millions of times on a daily basis. Not that exact phrase obviously, but something sarcastically exaggerating a response to someone as a joke. And he spent at least 4 months behind bars because of it. Set your facebook to private if you are doing to do that. Also, if he had written this down in a notebook and gotten arrested, we wouldn't be having this discussion. He made the post on somebody elses facebook page, didnt he? Which means what he posts isnt from his privacy settings? EDIT: Also, the woman that found it may have been friends with one of the 3 parties involved. It was an argument with someone on Facebook. Like a full blown discussion. I haven't seen the whole thing, but I bet it is pretty irrational, since that was the ending of the discussion.
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On June 30 2013 22:24 Passion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:22 NovaTheFeared wrote:On June 30 2013 22:21 Passion wrote: Oh guys... how I feel like telling you all I'm going to shoot every single kid at the local primary school right now.
However, doing so might impede my plans for tomorrow, so I'll restrain myself.
(Shall I finish this off with a "JK"?) Just for that I'm gonna atom bomb the netherlands! JK. You just scared me shitless - somebody arrest this guy!
I probably deserve more than 8 years according to Plansix, since my threat is more terrorizing than one school shooting. That a-bomb is clearly a higher risk!!!
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On June 30 2013 22:25 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:19 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:15 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:14 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:08 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:07 Prog455 wrote:On June 30 2013 21:50 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 21:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote: [quote]
It's ok to have someone confirm their intentions, it's NOT ok at all to jail them for numerous months (facing 8 years) without any form of investigation or background-check. If I say that I am going to shoot someone and they believe me, I can be sent to jail, even if I did not intend to do so. Threats of doing something is still a crime. I do agree that 8 years is a lot, though. Still, I need to know more and if he pushed it to trial, rather than plea out. I don't know about US, but at least in Denmark a person can not be punished for threats, unless the person is aware that his threats might actually cause fear. I am genuinely curious if American law considers the intention of the act when judging. In Denmark a person must have had an evil intent in order to be punished, unless the law states otherwise. At this point it is my impression that US law has gotten rid of any thing remotely related to common sense, and it would easy my mind to be proven wrong in this matter. It does and fear is important. But guess what, if you post shit like this on the internet, with limited context, it can cause a lot of fear. You're completely right, I pissed myself and started crying when some twerp threatened to find me and kill me and my family because I owned him in some game... -_- Except it was on facebook and was reported by someone who didn't know the kid. Look, if you want to say this stuff, set your facebook to private. Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. So what's the moral here? That Facebook is given infinitely more power than a site should ever really have? Bottom line though it's kinda pathetic that you can be jailed without investigation for something you post on Facebook, OR ANY SITE FOR THAT MATTER, especially when it has an obvious disclaimer as to its intention. The internet is not real life. People need to deal with it. Except for when it is, like a couple of school shooting where the kids almost mapped out their plans on the internet. Seriously, if you wouldn't write it down on a piece of paper because someone might read it and get the wrong idea, don't write it on the internet. Mapping a plan, having recipes for IDEs, basically anything that explicitly detailed is completely different from "imma fuck u up lol jk" or any variation thereof. Yeah, so he got charged with a lesser crime that carries a maximum penalty of 8 years. Guess what, his trial is tomorrow and he is going to plea out for less and not go to jail. They don't jail people for shit like this, it cost to much.
Yeah 4 months in jail already is completely negligible right? How about you go spend 4 months in jail, because I don't like your comments, and then tell me if it was all fine and dandy.
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On June 30 2013 22:25 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:24 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:22 NovaTheFeared wrote:On June 30 2013 22:21 Passion wrote: Oh guys... how I feel like telling you all I'm going to shoot every single kid at the local primary school right now.
However, doing so might impede my plans for tomorrow, so I'll restrain myself.
(Shall I finish this off with a "JK"?) Just for that I'm gonna atom bomb the netherlands! JK. Let's hunt and kill Billy Ray Cyrus That's a Bill Hicks joke btw before yall get upset. Scared of getting jailtime?
Yeah man, Plansix is going to rat on me and a moderator is gonna track my IP then ima really be fucked.
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On June 30 2013 22:25 MasterOfPuppets wrote:I don't. That's the thing. No investigation was made. This guy was put into jail without anyone legitimately looking into his history and records (if any). That would make my guess as good as yours, except for the fact that you don't seem to have spent a lot of time on the internet to simply understand the nuances of these things. I have. It's intuitive, sure, but it has never failed me. I've been online for over 20 years now, I'm fully aware you shouldn't believe everything written. - However, there's a long planed history of crimes being posted online.
But at the least, I think, we can agree that the guy shouldn't have been put directly to jail without any investigation.
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On June 30 2013 22:20 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:17 m4inbrain wrote:Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. If you actually believe that, i don't know what to say. But i actually do think you're smart enough to now that jackshit will happen. The police will pick you up and make a background check, that's it. I'd much rather have a potential threat be in custody in the few days of investigation needed and seeing another tradegy. 4 months. Not "few days". He has been in jail for 4 months because no one posted bail, which is sad it in its own right.
Bail was apparently set at 250k. Pretty sure you can find some states that have lower bail for armed Robbery. I found this detail in an interview the mother gave
http://www.freetoplay.tv/news/justin-carter-jailed-league-of-legends/
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On June 30 2013 22:21 Kurr wrote:Show nested quote +The amount of people supporting this guy spending the last 4 months in prison, guilty or not, is disheartening. You people are terrifying and it's sad to see people embracing the fact that they live in a police state. On June 30 2013 22:07 SgtCoDFish wrote: I feel like he needs therapy, not jail. Certainly, a huge amount of people would be pretty upset to hear that a guy who lives near a school was saying things like this, even with "lol jk" added, and that nothing was done about it.
Can you even begin to imagine the media furore if someone actually did shoot up a school and they'd said stuff like this on FB?
"Shocking revelations today as it's revealed that the alleged perpetrator of the recent school shooting, which left several children as young as 9 dead or critically injured, had made sick comments on Facebook as soon as a week before the attack about killing kids and eating their hearts"
We can all imagine a news reader saying that.
More than likely he was just an upset guy who doesn't know how to handle his emotions properly and he needs help to deal with things better. But a guy threatening this on the street would be arrested, and I think Facebook and Twitter should be considered to be "in public" as well (although I'd imagine some people disagree and would say otherwise)
I don't see, having said that, how locking him up for 4 months let alone 8 years will produce a productive, helpful member of society out of this guy. He needs a psychiatrist, not a jail warden, and I feel that a police warning would have probably been enough to make him realise that certain things are pretty disturbing when said in public.
(NB: None of the above is a legal opinion, because I neither know nor care how the laws of the US will apply to this guy; I'm talking about ideas and what would be best in my opinion) You're completely wrong about this person not knowing how to handle his emotions. He made a stupid sarcastic that was meant to be read by a friend as a joke. THAT'S IT. This is something that happens millions of times on a daily basis. Not that exact phrase obviously, but something sarcastically exaggerating a response to someone as a joke. And he spent at least 4 months behind bars because of it.
Well fair enough, perhaps he can control his emotions, perhaps he can't, I suppose that's for the psychiatrist to decide.
Doesn't change the rest of what I wrote, though. Whether he was angry or serene he still wrote it.
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On June 30 2013 22:26 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:25 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:19 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:15 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:14 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:08 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:07 Prog455 wrote:On June 30 2013 21:50 Plansix wrote: [quote] If I say that I am going to shoot someone and they believe me, I can be sent to jail, even if I did not intend to do so. Threats of doing something is still a crime.
I do agree that 8 years is a lot, though. Still, I need to know more and if he pushed it to trial, rather than plea out. I don't know about US, but at least in Denmark a person can not be punished for threats, unless the person is aware that his threats might actually cause fear. I am genuinely curious if American law considers the intention of the act when judging. In Denmark a person must have had an evil intent in order to be punished, unless the law states otherwise. At this point it is my impression that US law has gotten rid of any thing remotely related to common sense, and it would easy my mind to be proven wrong in this matter. It does and fear is important. But guess what, if you post shit like this on the internet, with limited context, it can cause a lot of fear. You're completely right, I pissed myself and started crying when some twerp threatened to find me and kill me and my family because I owned him in some game... -_- Except it was on facebook and was reported by someone who didn't know the kid. Look, if you want to say this stuff, set your facebook to private. Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. So what's the moral here? That Facebook is given infinitely more power than a site should ever really have? Bottom line though it's kinda pathetic that you can be jailed without investigation for something you post on Facebook, OR ANY SITE FOR THAT MATTER, especially when it has an obvious disclaimer as to its intention. The internet is not real life. People need to deal with it. Except for when it is, like a couple of school shooting where the kids almost mapped out their plans on the internet. Seriously, if you wouldn't write it down on a piece of paper because someone might read it and get the wrong idea, don't write it on the internet. Mapping a plan, having recipes for IDEs, basically anything that explicitly detailed is completely different from "imma fuck u up lol jk" or any variation thereof. Yeah, so he got charged with a lesser crime that carries a maximum penalty of 8 years. Guess what, his trial is tomorrow and he is going to plea out for less and not go to jail. They don't jail people for shit like this, it cost to much. Except the 16 weeks(!!!) he's already inside the jail. You somehow miss that every single time. Its not my fault his parents didn't love him enough to pay for his bail.
Edit: ok, the bail is 250K and they must not know about a bail bondsmen. Also the kid apparently assaulted a guard in jail as well.
User was warned for this post
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On June 30 2013 22:25 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:19 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:15 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:14 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:08 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:07 Prog455 wrote:On June 30 2013 21:50 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 21:47 MasterOfPuppets wrote: [quote]
It's ok to have someone confirm their intentions, it's NOT ok at all to jail them for numerous months (facing 8 years) without any form of investigation or background-check. If I say that I am going to shoot someone and they believe me, I can be sent to jail, even if I did not intend to do so. Threats of doing something is still a crime. I do agree that 8 years is a lot, though. Still, I need to know more and if he pushed it to trial, rather than plea out. I don't know about US, but at least in Denmark a person can not be punished for threats, unless the person is aware that his threats might actually cause fear. I am genuinely curious if American law considers the intention of the act when judging. In Denmark a person must have had an evil intent in order to be punished, unless the law states otherwise. At this point it is my impression that US law has gotten rid of any thing remotely related to common sense, and it would easy my mind to be proven wrong in this matter. It does and fear is important. But guess what, if you post shit like this on the internet, with limited context, it can cause a lot of fear. You're completely right, I pissed myself and started crying when some twerp threatened to find me and kill me and my family because I owned him in some game... -_- Except it was on facebook and was reported by someone who didn't know the kid. Look, if you want to say this stuff, set your facebook to private. Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. So what's the moral here? That Facebook is given infinitely more power than a site should ever really have? Bottom line though it's kinda pathetic that you can be jailed without investigation for something you post on Facebook, OR ANY SITE FOR THAT MATTER, especially when it has an obvious disclaimer as to its intention. The internet is not real life. People need to deal with it. Except for when it is, like a couple of school shooting where the kids almost mapped out their plans on the internet. Seriously, if you wouldn't write it down on a piece of paper because someone might read it and get the wrong idea, don't write it on the internet. Mapping a plan, having recipes for IDEs, basically anything that explicitly detailed is completely different from "imma fuck u up lol jk" or any variation thereof. Yeah, so he got charged with a lesser crime that carries a maximum penalty of 8 years. Guess what, his trial is tomorrow and he is going to plea out for less and not go to jail. They don't jail people for shit like this, it cost to much. They hand out life sentences for less than this. I dunno what youre talking about. America has a 3 strikes and youre out system. If you have 2 felonies, then any crime you commit at all for the 3rd strike nets you life in prison. QI (british show) mentioned two in particular: 1 guy stole 9 DVD's another guy stole 4 cookies
Both have life in prison
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How much was the bail set at?
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the guy is 18 ... threating something like that even because of those recent events in my opinion is just being a square, ignoring everything else and actually overusing the power . maybe that's what i think but how come these things are so unlikely to happen in S. Korea or even Japan ? and actually so much more likely to happen in the U.S. ? ... somehow i believe and maybe that's also from my personal experience that people during their teenage years are just left with their mind boggling for themselves and any kind of upringing in western countries ends after finishing 13 years old, such thing probably just doesn't exist... and so there is no discipline, no values to carry, nothing ... and so people thinking, speaking and doing s!@t, without quality, value, not to mention responsibbility ...
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On June 30 2013 22:28 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:26 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:25 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:19 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:15 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:14 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:08 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:07 Prog455 wrote: [quote]
I don't know about US, but at least in Denmark a person can not be punished for threats, unless the person is aware that his threats might actually cause fear.
I am genuinely curious if American law considers the intention of the act when judging. In Denmark a person must have had an evil intent in order to be punished, unless the law states otherwise. At this point it is my impression that US law has gotten rid of any thing remotely related to common sense, and it would easy my mind to be proven wrong in this matter. It does and fear is important. But guess what, if you post shit like this on the internet, with limited context, it can cause a lot of fear. You're completely right, I pissed myself and started crying when some twerp threatened to find me and kill me and my family because I owned him in some game... -_- Except it was on facebook and was reported by someone who didn't know the kid. Look, if you want to say this stuff, set your facebook to private. Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. So what's the moral here? That Facebook is given infinitely more power than a site should ever really have? Bottom line though it's kinda pathetic that you can be jailed without investigation for something you post on Facebook, OR ANY SITE FOR THAT MATTER, especially when it has an obvious disclaimer as to its intention. The internet is not real life. People need to deal with it. Except for when it is, like a couple of school shooting where the kids almost mapped out their plans on the internet. Seriously, if you wouldn't write it down on a piece of paper because someone might read it and get the wrong idea, don't write it on the internet. Mapping a plan, having recipes for IDEs, basically anything that explicitly detailed is completely different from "imma fuck u up lol jk" or any variation thereof. Yeah, so he got charged with a lesser crime that carries a maximum penalty of 8 years. Guess what, his trial is tomorrow and he is going to plea out for less and not go to jail. They don't jail people for shit like this, it cost to much. Except the 16 weeks(!!!) he's already inside the jail. You somehow miss that every single time. Its not my fault his parents didn't love him enough to pay for his bail.
JC: No, and this was after they searched his home and found no weapons, and we assume they looked us up and saw we had no weapons. They basically had done all the investigating and the judge raised the bond to half a million dollars which of course we really couldn’t afford to get him out and he’s been in jail ever since.
I'd like to tell you that you're a dick for that comment, but i can't. It's the internet.
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On June 30 2013 22:28 DannyJ wrote: How much was the bail set at?
On June 30 2013 22:28 MstrJinbo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:20 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:17 m4inbrain wrote:Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. If you actually believe that, i don't know what to say. But i actually do think you're smart enough to now that jackshit will happen. The police will pick you up and make a background check, that's it. I'd much rather have a potential threat be in custody in the few days of investigation needed and seeing another tradegy. 4 months. Not "few days". He has been in jail for 4 months because no one posted bail, which is sad it in its own right. Bail was apparently set at 250k. Pretty sure you can find some states that have lower bail for armed Robbery. I found this detail in an interview the mother gave http://www.freetoplay.tv/news/justin-carter-jailed-league-of-legends/
Makes sense .... -_-
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Since so many Germans have complained about this in this thread, would any of you post that the holocaust wasn't real with 'jk lol' at the end, knowing such a post is illegal in your country and punishable with a five year prison sentence?
Do you think that law is just as ridiculous as this situation, or since its in your country you understand it better and agree with it?
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On June 30 2013 22:28 SgtCoDFish wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:21 Kurr wrote:The amount of people supporting this guy spending the last 4 months in prison, guilty or not, is disheartening. You people are terrifying and it's sad to see people embracing the fact that they live in a police state. On June 30 2013 22:07 SgtCoDFish wrote: I feel like he needs therapy, not jail. Certainly, a huge amount of people would be pretty upset to hear that a guy who lives near a school was saying things like this, even with "lol jk" added, and that nothing was done about it.
Can you even begin to imagine the media furore if someone actually did shoot up a school and they'd said stuff like this on FB?
"Shocking revelations today as it's revealed that the alleged perpetrator of the recent school shooting, which left several children as young as 9 dead or critically injured, had made sick comments on Facebook as soon as a week before the attack about killing kids and eating their hearts"
We can all imagine a news reader saying that.
More than likely he was just an upset guy who doesn't know how to handle his emotions properly and he needs help to deal with things better. But a guy threatening this on the street would be arrested, and I think Facebook and Twitter should be considered to be "in public" as well (although I'd imagine some people disagree and would say otherwise)
I don't see, having said that, how locking him up for 4 months let alone 8 years will produce a productive, helpful member of society out of this guy. He needs a psychiatrist, not a jail warden, and I feel that a police warning would have probably been enough to make him realise that certain things are pretty disturbing when said in public.
(NB: None of the above is a legal opinion, because I neither know nor care how the laws of the US will apply to this guy; I'm talking about ideas and what would be best in my opinion) You're completely wrong about this person not knowing how to handle his emotions. He made a stupid sarcastic that was meant to be read by a friend as a joke. THAT'S IT. This is something that happens millions of times on a daily basis. Not that exact phrase obviously, but something sarcastically exaggerating a response to someone as a joke. And he spent at least 4 months behind bars because of it. Well fair enough, perhaps he can control his emotions, perhaps he can't, I suppose that's for the psychiatrist to decide. Doesn't change the rest of what I wrote, though. Whether he was angry or serene he still wrote it.
So if I look through your entire history of post, you've never made any single stupid post right? Because otherwise you need to be evaluated by a psychiatrist. This is serious stuff guys.
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He shouldn't have been in jail this long to begin with, as it is a grave injustice, but when his sentence comes up it should be time served and done.
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On June 30 2013 22:28 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:26 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:25 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:19 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:15 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:14 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:08 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:07 Prog455 wrote: [quote]
I don't know about US, but at least in Denmark a person can not be punished for threats, unless the person is aware that his threats might actually cause fear.
I am genuinely curious if American law considers the intention of the act when judging. In Denmark a person must have had an evil intent in order to be punished, unless the law states otherwise. At this point it is my impression that US law has gotten rid of any thing remotely related to common sense, and it would easy my mind to be proven wrong in this matter. It does and fear is important. But guess what, if you post shit like this on the internet, with limited context, it can cause a lot of fear. You're completely right, I pissed myself and started crying when some twerp threatened to find me and kill me and my family because I owned him in some game... -_- Except it was on facebook and was reported by someone who didn't know the kid. Look, if you want to say this stuff, set your facebook to private. Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. So what's the moral here? That Facebook is given infinitely more power than a site should ever really have? Bottom line though it's kinda pathetic that you can be jailed without investigation for something you post on Facebook, OR ANY SITE FOR THAT MATTER, especially when it has an obvious disclaimer as to its intention. The internet is not real life. People need to deal with it. Except for when it is, like a couple of school shooting where the kids almost mapped out their plans on the internet. Seriously, if you wouldn't write it down on a piece of paper because someone might read it and get the wrong idea, don't write it on the internet. Mapping a plan, having recipes for IDEs, basically anything that explicitly detailed is completely different from "imma fuck u up lol jk" or any variation thereof. Yeah, so he got charged with a lesser crime that carries a maximum penalty of 8 years. Guess what, his trial is tomorrow and he is going to plea out for less and not go to jail. They don't jail people for shit like this, it cost to much. Except the 16 weeks(!!!) he's already inside the jail. You somehow miss that every single time. Its not my fault his parents didn't love him enough to pay for his bail.
250K is above the reach of alot of middle class families, even relatively well off ones can't just pay that up front. Jesus christ.
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On June 30 2013 22:29 Saryph wrote: Since so many Germans have complained about this in this thread, would any of you post that the holocaust wasn't real with 'jk lol' at the end, knowing such a post is illegal in your country and punishable with a five year prison sentence?
Do you think that law is just as ridiculous as this situation, or since its in your country you understand it better and agree with it?
You would never get jailtime for that. How much do you want to bet?
250K is above the reach of alot of middle class families, even relatively well off ones can't just pay that up front. Jesus christ.
It's 500k according to the mother.
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On June 30 2013 22:29 Saryph wrote: Since so many Germans have complained about this in this thread, would any of you post that the holocaust wasn't real with 'jk lol' at the end, knowing such a post is illegal in your country and punishable with a five year prison sentence?
Do you think that law is just as ridiculous as this situation, or since its in your country you understand it better and agree with it?
I'm not German, and I do understand that it's a delicate situation not only from a public image standpoint but also having to deal with Neo-Nazi groups and so on but I also hold that to be an absurd law, especially if it is indeed illegal to post online about it.
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On June 30 2013 22:28 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:26 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:25 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:19 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:15 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:14 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:08 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:07 Prog455 wrote: [quote]
I don't know about US, but at least in Denmark a person can not be punished for threats, unless the person is aware that his threats might actually cause fear.
I am genuinely curious if American law considers the intention of the act when judging. In Denmark a person must have had an evil intent in order to be punished, unless the law states otherwise. At this point it is my impression that US law has gotten rid of any thing remotely related to common sense, and it would easy my mind to be proven wrong in this matter. It does and fear is important. But guess what, if you post shit like this on the internet, with limited context, it can cause a lot of fear. You're completely right, I pissed myself and started crying when some twerp threatened to find me and kill me and my family because I owned him in some game... -_- Except it was on facebook and was reported by someone who didn't know the kid. Look, if you want to say this stuff, set your facebook to private. Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. So what's the moral here? That Facebook is given infinitely more power than a site should ever really have? Bottom line though it's kinda pathetic that you can be jailed without investigation for something you post on Facebook, OR ANY SITE FOR THAT MATTER, especially when it has an obvious disclaimer as to its intention. The internet is not real life. People need to deal with it. Except for when it is, like a couple of school shooting where the kids almost mapped out their plans on the internet. Seriously, if you wouldn't write it down on a piece of paper because someone might read it and get the wrong idea, don't write it on the internet. Mapping a plan, having recipes for IDEs, basically anything that explicitly detailed is completely different from "imma fuck u up lol jk" or any variation thereof. Yeah, so he got charged with a lesser crime that carries a maximum penalty of 8 years. Guess what, his trial is tomorrow and he is going to plea out for less and not go to jail. They don't jail people for shit like this, it cost to much. Except the 16 weeks(!!!) he's already inside the jail. You somehow miss that every single time. Its not my fault his parents didn't love him enough to pay for his bail. That's the whole point most people are trying to make. It's no ones fault other than the retarded state of Texas'.
On June 30 2013 22:29 Saryph wrote: Since so many Germans have complained about this in this thread, would any of you post that the holocaust wasn't real with 'jk lol' at the end, knowing such a post is illegal in your country and punishable with a five year prison sentence?
Do you think that law is just as ridiculous as this situation, or since its in your country you understand it better and agree with it? A bit ridiculous to compare a fictional school shooting with the holocaust, to be honest.
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On June 30 2013 22:30 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:28 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:26 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:25 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:19 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:15 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:14 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:08 Plansix wrote: [quote] It does and fear is important. But guess what, if you post shit like this on the internet, with limited context, it can cause a lot of fear. You're completely right, I pissed myself and started crying when some twerp threatened to find me and kill me and my family because I owned him in some game... -_- Except it was on facebook and was reported by someone who didn't know the kid. Look, if you want to say this stuff, set your facebook to private. Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. So what's the moral here? That Facebook is given infinitely more power than a site should ever really have? Bottom line though it's kinda pathetic that you can be jailed without investigation for something you post on Facebook, OR ANY SITE FOR THAT MATTER, especially when it has an obvious disclaimer as to its intention. The internet is not real life. People need to deal with it. Except for when it is, like a couple of school shooting where the kids almost mapped out their plans on the internet. Seriously, if you wouldn't write it down on a piece of paper because someone might read it and get the wrong idea, don't write it on the internet. Mapping a plan, having recipes for IDEs, basically anything that explicitly detailed is completely different from "imma fuck u up lol jk" or any variation thereof. Yeah, so he got charged with a lesser crime that carries a maximum penalty of 8 years. Guess what, his trial is tomorrow and he is going to plea out for less and not go to jail. They don't jail people for shit like this, it cost to much. Except the 16 weeks(!!!) he's already inside the jail. You somehow miss that every single time. Its not my fault his parents didn't love him enough to pay for his bail. 250K is above the reach of alot of middle class families, even relatively well off ones can't just pay that up front. Jesus christ. Yeah, that is a pretty high value. They could get a bail bondmen, but it still might be a bit beyond their means. From the interview, it does not sound like he is acting rationally in prison either. That doesn't help him...
On June 30 2013 22:32 Passion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:28 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:26 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:25 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:19 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:15 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:14 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:08 Plansix wrote: [quote] It does and fear is important. But guess what, if you post shit like this on the internet, with limited context, it can cause a lot of fear. You're completely right, I pissed myself and started crying when some twerp threatened to find me and kill me and my family because I owned him in some game... -_- Except it was on facebook and was reported by someone who didn't know the kid. Look, if you want to say this stuff, set your facebook to private. Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. So what's the moral here? That Facebook is given infinitely more power than a site should ever really have? Bottom line though it's kinda pathetic that you can be jailed without investigation for something you post on Facebook, OR ANY SITE FOR THAT MATTER, especially when it has an obvious disclaimer as to its intention. The internet is not real life. People need to deal with it. Except for when it is, like a couple of school shooting where the kids almost mapped out their plans on the internet. Seriously, if you wouldn't write it down on a piece of paper because someone might read it and get the wrong idea, don't write it on the internet. Mapping a plan, having recipes for IDEs, basically anything that explicitly detailed is completely different from "imma fuck u up lol jk" or any variation thereof. Yeah, so he got charged with a lesser crime that carries a maximum penalty of 8 years. Guess what, his trial is tomorrow and he is going to plea out for less and not go to jail. They don't jail people for shit like this, it cost to much. Except the 16 weeks(!!!) he's already inside the jail. You somehow miss that every single time. Its not my fault his parents didn't love him enough to pay for his bail. That's the whole point most people are trying to make. It's no ones fault other than the retarded state of Texas'.
I didn't know it was 250K when I made that comment. That is a bit much.
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On June 30 2013 22:31 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:29 Saryph wrote: Since so many Germans have complained about this in this thread, would any of you post that the holocaust wasn't real with 'jk lol' at the end, knowing such a post is illegal in your country and punishable with a five year prison sentence?
Do you think that law is just as ridiculous as this situation, or since its in your country you understand it better and agree with it? You would never get jailtime for that. How much do you want to bet?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Faurisson
On June 30 2013 22:33 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:30 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:28 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:26 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:25 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:19 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:15 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:14 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote: [quote]
You're completely right, I pissed myself and started crying when some twerp threatened to find me and kill me and my family because I owned him in some game...
-_- Except it was on facebook and was reported by someone who didn't know the kid. Look, if you want to say this stuff, set your facebook to private. Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. So what's the moral here? That Facebook is given infinitely more power than a site should ever really have? Bottom line though it's kinda pathetic that you can be jailed without investigation for something you post on Facebook, OR ANY SITE FOR THAT MATTER, especially when it has an obvious disclaimer as to its intention. The internet is not real life. People need to deal with it. Except for when it is, like a couple of school shooting where the kids almost mapped out their plans on the internet. Seriously, if you wouldn't write it down on a piece of paper because someone might read it and get the wrong idea, don't write it on the internet. Mapping a plan, having recipes for IDEs, basically anything that explicitly detailed is completely different from "imma fuck u up lol jk" or any variation thereof. Yeah, so he got charged with a lesser crime that carries a maximum penalty of 8 years. Guess what, his trial is tomorrow and he is going to plea out for less and not go to jail. They don't jail people for shit like this, it cost to much. Except the 16 weeks(!!!) he's already inside the jail. You somehow miss that every single time. Its not my fault his parents didn't love him enough to pay for his bail. 250K is above the reach of alot of middle class families, even relatively well off ones can't just pay that up front. Jesus christ. Yeah, that is a pretty high value. They could get a bail bondmen, but it still might be a bit beyond their means. From the interview, it does not sound like he is acting rationally in prison either. That doesn't help him...
Why don't you apologize for being such a gigantic asshole and saying something like "it's not my fault his parents didn't love him enough to pay for his bail." You spent this whole time talking about how you shouldn't say anything with out context, and you make this broad generalization?
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On June 30 2013 22:33 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:31 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:29 Saryph wrote: Since so many Germans have complained about this in this thread, would any of you post that the holocaust wasn't real with 'jk lol' at the end, knowing such a post is illegal in your country and punishable with a five year prison sentence?
Do you think that law is just as ridiculous as this situation, or since its in your country you understand it better and agree with it? You would never get jailtime for that. How much do you want to bet? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Faurisson
Want me to point out the differences between a facebook post and him, or do you accept how stupid that comparison is?
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On June 30 2013 22:33 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:31 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:29 Saryph wrote: Since so many Germans have complained about this in this thread, would any of you post that the holocaust wasn't real with 'jk lol' at the end, knowing such a post is illegal in your country and punishable with a five year prison sentence?
Do you think that law is just as ridiculous as this situation, or since its in your country you understand it better and agree with it? You would never get jailtime for that. How much do you want to bet? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_FaurissonShow nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:33 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:30 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:28 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:26 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:25 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:19 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:15 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:14 Plansix wrote: [quote] Except it was on facebook and was reported by someone who didn't know the kid. Look, if you want to say this stuff, set your facebook to private.
Look, I can't go out in public and say I am going to shoot up a school and eat the children's hearts. I will be fucking arrested, because people who don't know me will report me. This guy did it on facebook. So what's the moral here? That Facebook is given infinitely more power than a site should ever really have? Bottom line though it's kinda pathetic that you can be jailed without investigation for something you post on Facebook, OR ANY SITE FOR THAT MATTER, especially when it has an obvious disclaimer as to its intention. The internet is not real life. People need to deal with it. Except for when it is, like a couple of school shooting where the kids almost mapped out their plans on the internet. Seriously, if you wouldn't write it down on a piece of paper because someone might read it and get the wrong idea, don't write it on the internet. Mapping a plan, having recipes for IDEs, basically anything that explicitly detailed is completely different from "imma fuck u up lol jk" or any variation thereof. Yeah, so he got charged with a lesser crime that carries a maximum penalty of 8 years. Guess what, his trial is tomorrow and he is going to plea out for less and not go to jail. They don't jail people for shit like this, it cost to much. Except the 16 weeks(!!!) he's already inside the jail. You somehow miss that every single time. Its not my fault his parents didn't love him enough to pay for his bail. 250K is above the reach of alot of middle class families, even relatively well off ones can't just pay that up front. Jesus christ. Yeah, that is a pretty high value. They could get a bail bondmen, but it still might be a bit beyond their means. From the interview, it does not sound like he is acting rationally in prison either. That doesn't help him... Why don't you apologize for being such a gigantic asshole and saying something like "it's not my fault his parents didn't love him enough to pay for his bail." You spent this whole time talking about how you shouldn't say anything with out context, and you make this broad generalization? It was a little off color and I shouldn't have been so hasty.
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On June 30 2013 22:29 Kurr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:28 SgtCoDFish wrote:On June 30 2013 22:21 Kurr wrote:The amount of people supporting this guy spending the last 4 months in prison, guilty or not, is disheartening. You people are terrifying and it's sad to see people embracing the fact that they live in a police state. On June 30 2013 22:07 SgtCoDFish wrote: I feel like he needs therapy, not jail. Certainly, a huge amount of people would be pretty upset to hear that a guy who lives near a school was saying things like this, even with "lol jk" added, and that nothing was done about it.
Can you even begin to imagine the media furore if someone actually did shoot up a school and they'd said stuff like this on FB?
"Shocking revelations today as it's revealed that the alleged perpetrator of the recent school shooting, which left several children as young as 9 dead or critically injured, had made sick comments on Facebook as soon as a week before the attack about killing kids and eating their hearts"
We can all imagine a news reader saying that.
More than likely he was just an upset guy who doesn't know how to handle his emotions properly and he needs help to deal with things better. But a guy threatening this on the street would be arrested, and I think Facebook and Twitter should be considered to be "in public" as well (although I'd imagine some people disagree and would say otherwise)
I don't see, having said that, how locking him up for 4 months let alone 8 years will produce a productive, helpful member of society out of this guy. He needs a psychiatrist, not a jail warden, and I feel that a police warning would have probably been enough to make him realise that certain things are pretty disturbing when said in public.
(NB: None of the above is a legal opinion, because I neither know nor care how the laws of the US will apply to this guy; I'm talking about ideas and what would be best in my opinion) You're completely wrong about this person not knowing how to handle his emotions. He made a stupid sarcastic that was meant to be read by a friend as a joke. THAT'S IT. This is something that happens millions of times on a daily basis. Not that exact phrase obviously, but something sarcastically exaggerating a response to someone as a joke. And he spent at least 4 months behind bars because of it. Well fair enough, perhaps he can control his emotions, perhaps he can't, I suppose that's for the psychiatrist to decide. Doesn't change the rest of what I wrote, though. Whether he was angry or serene he still wrote it. So if I look through your entire history of post, you've never made any single stupid post right? Because otherwise you need to be evaluated by a psychiatrist. This is serious stuff guys.
What I post under a pseudonym in a private forum is different to what I say in public under my real name and likeness. I consider Facebook to be public, doubly so because you post under your name.
The police can't do nothing about this if it's reported by someone, for exactly the reason I posted originally; they'll be panned by the media and people will lose their jobs (and rightfully so)
But throwing him in jail for what was probably harmless is pointless, so get him checked out; if he's all good, the police did their job, no children had their hearts ripped out and the guy doesn't have to lose his whole life because of it.
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On June 30 2013 22:36 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:33 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:31 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:29 Saryph wrote: Since so many Germans have complained about this in this thread, would any of you post that the holocaust wasn't real with 'jk lol' at the end, knowing such a post is illegal in your country and punishable with a five year prison sentence?
Do you think that law is just as ridiculous as this situation, or since its in your country you understand it better and agree with it? You would never get jailtime for that. How much do you want to bet? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_FaurissonOn June 30 2013 22:33 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:30 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:28 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:26 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:25 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:19 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:15 MasterOfPuppets wrote: [quote]
So what's the moral here? That Facebook is given infinitely more power than a site should ever really have?
Bottom line though it's kinda pathetic that you can be jailed without investigation for something you post on Facebook, OR ANY SITE FOR THAT MATTER, especially when it has an obvious disclaimer as to its intention.
The internet is not real life. People need to deal with it. Except for when it is, like a couple of school shooting where the kids almost mapped out their plans on the internet. Seriously, if you wouldn't write it down on a piece of paper because someone might read it and get the wrong idea, don't write it on the internet. Mapping a plan, having recipes for IDEs, basically anything that explicitly detailed is completely different from "imma fuck u up lol jk" or any variation thereof. Yeah, so he got charged with a lesser crime that carries a maximum penalty of 8 years. Guess what, his trial is tomorrow and he is going to plea out for less and not go to jail. They don't jail people for shit like this, it cost to much. Except the 16 weeks(!!!) he's already inside the jail. You somehow miss that every single time. Its not my fault his parents didn't love him enough to pay for his bail. 250K is above the reach of alot of middle class families, even relatively well off ones can't just pay that up front. Jesus christ. Yeah, that is a pretty high value. They could get a bail bondmen, but it still might be a bit beyond their means. From the interview, it does not sound like he is acting rationally in prison either. That doesn't help him... Why don't you apologize for being such a gigantic asshole and saying something like "it's not my fault his parents didn't love him enough to pay for his bail." You spent this whole time talking about how you shouldn't say anything with out context, and you make this broad generalization? It was a little off color and I shouldn't have been so hasty. Exactly. But that's too late now. You're off to prison buddy.
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On June 30 2013 22:34 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:33 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:31 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:29 Saryph wrote: Since so many Germans have complained about this in this thread, would any of you post that the holocaust wasn't real with 'jk lol' at the end, knowing such a post is illegal in your country and punishable with a five year prison sentence?
Do you think that law is just as ridiculous as this situation, or since its in your country you understand it better and agree with it? You would never get jailtime for that. How much do you want to bet? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Faurisson Want me to point out the differences between a facebook post and him, or do you accept how stupid that comparison is?
He was never jailed. Did you read the article? The worst he got was probation. That was actually an example which supported the claim that you would never get jail time even for holocaust denial. A rather famous one actually.
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Absolutely ridiculous. Funny thing is I was in the gun legality thread a while back listening to all the people there saying how they keep guns to stop their government stealing their freedoms - where is the righteous uprising?!
Hope the UK doesn't extradite me for this terrorist incitement.
But seriously, the kid is dumb but the police are far far worse for actually arresting/jailing him. And that bail... What a god awful justice system.
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On June 30 2013 22:37 Passion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:36 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:33 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:31 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:29 Saryph wrote: Since so many Germans have complained about this in this thread, would any of you post that the holocaust wasn't real with 'jk lol' at the end, knowing such a post is illegal in your country and punishable with a five year prison sentence?
Do you think that law is just as ridiculous as this situation, or since its in your country you understand it better and agree with it? You would never get jailtime for that. How much do you want to bet? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_FaurissonOn June 30 2013 22:33 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:30 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:28 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:26 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:25 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:19 Plansix wrote: [quote] Except for when it is, like a couple of school shooting where the kids almost mapped out their plans on the internet.
Seriously, if you wouldn't write it down on a piece of paper because someone might read it and get the wrong idea, don't write it on the internet. Mapping a plan, having recipes for IDEs, basically anything that explicitly detailed is completely different from "imma fuck u up lol jk" or any variation thereof. Yeah, so he got charged with a lesser crime that carries a maximum penalty of 8 years. Guess what, his trial is tomorrow and he is going to plea out for less and not go to jail. They don't jail people for shit like this, it cost to much. Except the 16 weeks(!!!) he's already inside the jail. You somehow miss that every single time. Its not my fault his parents didn't love him enough to pay for his bail. 250K is above the reach of alot of middle class families, even relatively well off ones can't just pay that up front. Jesus christ. Yeah, that is a pretty high value. They could get a bail bondmen, but it still might be a bit beyond their means. From the interview, it does not sound like he is acting rationally in prison either. That doesn't help him... Why don't you apologize for being such a gigantic asshole and saying something like "it's not my fault his parents didn't love him enough to pay for his bail." You spent this whole time talking about how you shouldn't say anything with out context, and you make this broad generalization? It was a little off color and I shouldn't have been so hasty. Exactly. But that's too late now. You're off to prison buddy. Nah, I didn't threaten to kill anyone, so I am good.
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On June 30 2013 22:36 SgtCoDFish wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:29 Kurr wrote:On June 30 2013 22:28 SgtCoDFish wrote:On June 30 2013 22:21 Kurr wrote:The amount of people supporting this guy spending the last 4 months in prison, guilty or not, is disheartening. You people are terrifying and it's sad to see people embracing the fact that they live in a police state. On June 30 2013 22:07 SgtCoDFish wrote: I feel like he needs therapy, not jail. Certainly, a huge amount of people would be pretty upset to hear that a guy who lives near a school was saying things like this, even with "lol jk" added, and that nothing was done about it.
Can you even begin to imagine the media furore if someone actually did shoot up a school and they'd said stuff like this on FB?
"Shocking revelations today as it's revealed that the alleged perpetrator of the recent school shooting, which left several children as young as 9 dead or critically injured, had made sick comments on Facebook as soon as a week before the attack about killing kids and eating their hearts"
We can all imagine a news reader saying that.
More than likely he was just an upset guy who doesn't know how to handle his emotions properly and he needs help to deal with things better. But a guy threatening this on the street would be arrested, and I think Facebook and Twitter should be considered to be "in public" as well (although I'd imagine some people disagree and would say otherwise)
I don't see, having said that, how locking him up for 4 months let alone 8 years will produce a productive, helpful member of society out of this guy. He needs a psychiatrist, not a jail warden, and I feel that a police warning would have probably been enough to make him realise that certain things are pretty disturbing when said in public.
(NB: None of the above is a legal opinion, because I neither know nor care how the laws of the US will apply to this guy; I'm talking about ideas and what would be best in my opinion) You're completely wrong about this person not knowing how to handle his emotions. He made a stupid sarcastic that was meant to be read by a friend as a joke. THAT'S IT. This is something that happens millions of times on a daily basis. Not that exact phrase obviously, but something sarcastically exaggerating a response to someone as a joke. And he spent at least 4 months behind bars because of it. Well fair enough, perhaps he can control his emotions, perhaps he can't, I suppose that's for the psychiatrist to decide. Doesn't change the rest of what I wrote, though. Whether he was angry or serene he still wrote it. So if I look through your entire history of post, you've never made any single stupid post right? Because otherwise you need to be evaluated by a psychiatrist. This is serious stuff guys. What I post under a pseudonym in a private forum is different to what I say in public under my real name and likeness. I consider Facebook to be public, doubly so because you post under your name.
You post under your name. Many people don't. Those people are wise enough to understand that, popular social platform or not, public or not, Facebook is still a website, and the internet is not the same as real life.
Sadly, those people are much more intelligent than whoever seems to be in charge of making and enforcing laws...
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On June 30 2013 22:36 SgtCoDFish wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:29 Kurr wrote:On June 30 2013 22:28 SgtCoDFish wrote:On June 30 2013 22:21 Kurr wrote:The amount of people supporting this guy spending the last 4 months in prison, guilty or not, is disheartening. You people are terrifying and it's sad to see people embracing the fact that they live in a police state. On June 30 2013 22:07 SgtCoDFish wrote: I feel like he needs therapy, not jail. Certainly, a huge amount of people would be pretty upset to hear that a guy who lives near a school was saying things like this, even with "lol jk" added, and that nothing was done about it.
Can you even begin to imagine the media furore if someone actually did shoot up a school and they'd said stuff like this on FB?
"Shocking revelations today as it's revealed that the alleged perpetrator of the recent school shooting, which left several children as young as 9 dead or critically injured, had made sick comments on Facebook as soon as a week before the attack about killing kids and eating their hearts"
We can all imagine a news reader saying that.
More than likely he was just an upset guy who doesn't know how to handle his emotions properly and he needs help to deal with things better. But a guy threatening this on the street would be arrested, and I think Facebook and Twitter should be considered to be "in public" as well (although I'd imagine some people disagree and would say otherwise)
I don't see, having said that, how locking him up for 4 months let alone 8 years will produce a productive, helpful member of society out of this guy. He needs a psychiatrist, not a jail warden, and I feel that a police warning would have probably been enough to make him realise that certain things are pretty disturbing when said in public.
(NB: None of the above is a legal opinion, because I neither know nor care how the laws of the US will apply to this guy; I'm talking about ideas and what would be best in my opinion) You're completely wrong about this person not knowing how to handle his emotions. He made a stupid sarcastic that was meant to be read by a friend as a joke. THAT'S IT. This is something that happens millions of times on a daily basis. Not that exact phrase obviously, but something sarcastically exaggerating a response to someone as a joke. And he spent at least 4 months behind bars because of it. Well fair enough, perhaps he can control his emotions, perhaps he can't, I suppose that's for the psychiatrist to decide. Doesn't change the rest of what I wrote, though. Whether he was angry or serene he still wrote it. So if I look through your entire history of post, you've never made any single stupid post right? Because otherwise you need to be evaluated by a psychiatrist. This is serious stuff guys. What I post under a pseudonym in a private forum is different to what I say in public under my real name and likeness. I consider Facebook to be public, doubly so because you post under your name. The police can't do nothing about this if it's reported by someone, for exactly the reason I posted originally; they'll be panned by the media and people will lose their jobs (and rightfully so) But throwing him in jail for what was probably harmless is pointless, so get him checked out; if he's all good, the police did their job, no children had their hearts ripped out and the guy doesn't have to lose his whole life because of it.
From across the pond, someone else agreeing with my position. Check out the "threat" when reported, discover it's harmless, and that's that. Criminal charges are absurd.
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On June 30 2013 22:38 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:37 Passion wrote:On June 30 2013 22:36 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:33 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:31 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:29 Saryph wrote: Since so many Germans have complained about this in this thread, would any of you post that the holocaust wasn't real with 'jk lol' at the end, knowing such a post is illegal in your country and punishable with a five year prison sentence?
Do you think that law is just as ridiculous as this situation, or since its in your country you understand it better and agree with it? You would never get jailtime for that. How much do you want to bet? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_FaurissonOn June 30 2013 22:33 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:30 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:28 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:26 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:25 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote: [quote]
Mapping a plan, having recipes for IDEs, basically anything that explicitly detailed is completely different from "imma fuck u up lol jk" or any variation thereof. Yeah, so he got charged with a lesser crime that carries a maximum penalty of 8 years. Guess what, his trial is tomorrow and he is going to plea out for less and not go to jail. They don't jail people for shit like this, it cost to much. Except the 16 weeks(!!!) he's already inside the jail. You somehow miss that every single time. Its not my fault his parents didn't love him enough to pay for his bail. 250K is above the reach of alot of middle class families, even relatively well off ones can't just pay that up front. Jesus christ. Yeah, that is a pretty high value. They could get a bail bondmen, but it still might be a bit beyond their means. From the interview, it does not sound like he is acting rationally in prison either. That doesn't help him... Why don't you apologize for being such a gigantic asshole and saying something like "it's not my fault his parents didn't love him enough to pay for his bail." You spent this whole time talking about how you shouldn't say anything with out context, and you make this broad generalization? It was a little off color and I shouldn't have been so hasty. Exactly. But that's too late now. You're off to prison buddy. Nah, I didn't threaten to kill anyone, so I am good.
Good thing you're not from Korea!
Oh snap now they're after me. D:
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On June 30 2013 22:38 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:37 Passion wrote:On June 30 2013 22:36 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:33 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:31 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:29 Saryph wrote: Since so many Germans have complained about this in this thread, would any of you post that the holocaust wasn't real with 'jk lol' at the end, knowing such a post is illegal in your country and punishable with a five year prison sentence?
Do you think that law is just as ridiculous as this situation, or since its in your country you understand it better and agree with it? You would never get jailtime for that. How much do you want to bet? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_FaurissonOn June 30 2013 22:33 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:30 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:28 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:26 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:25 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2013 22:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote: [quote]
Mapping a plan, having recipes for IDEs, basically anything that explicitly detailed is completely different from "imma fuck u up lol jk" or any variation thereof. Yeah, so he got charged with a lesser crime that carries a maximum penalty of 8 years. Guess what, his trial is tomorrow and he is going to plea out for less and not go to jail. They don't jail people for shit like this, it cost to much. Except the 16 weeks(!!!) he's already inside the jail. You somehow miss that every single time. Its not my fault his parents didn't love him enough to pay for his bail. 250K is above the reach of alot of middle class families, even relatively well off ones can't just pay that up front. Jesus christ. Yeah, that is a pretty high value. They could get a bail bondmen, but it still might be a bit beyond their means. From the interview, it does not sound like he is acting rationally in prison either. That doesn't help him... Why don't you apologize for being such a gigantic asshole and saying something like "it's not my fault his parents didn't love him enough to pay for his bail." You spent this whole time talking about how you shouldn't say anything with out context, and you make this broad generalization? It was a little off color and I shouldn't have been so hasty. Exactly. But that's too late now. You're off to prison buddy. Nah, I didn't threaten to kill anyone, so I am good. Oh, threats are but the start!
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On June 30 2013 22:37 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:34 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:33 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:31 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:29 Saryph wrote: Since so many Germans have complained about this in this thread, would any of you post that the holocaust wasn't real with 'jk lol' at the end, knowing such a post is illegal in your country and punishable with a five year prison sentence?
Do you think that law is just as ridiculous as this situation, or since its in your country you understand it better and agree with it? You would never get jailtime for that. How much do you want to bet? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Faurisson Want me to point out the differences between a facebook post and him, or do you accept how stupid that comparison is? He was never jailed. Did you read the article? The worst he got was probation.
I just skipped through it and saw a three month sentence (funny enough, even less than that boy is sitting in). Didn't see the probation thing, my bad - sorry.
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its hilarious how the fucking article needs to point out the nationality of the fuckin whistleblower. stupid fucking media.
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On June 30 2013 22:39 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:37 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:34 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:33 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:31 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:29 Saryph wrote: Since so many Germans have complained about this in this thread, would any of you post that the holocaust wasn't real with 'jk lol' at the end, knowing such a post is illegal in your country and punishable with a five year prison sentence?
Do you think that law is just as ridiculous as this situation, or since its in your country you understand it better and agree with it? You would never get jailtime for that. How much do you want to bet? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Faurisson Want me to point out the differences between a facebook post and him, or do you accept how stupid that comparison is? He was never jailed. Did you read the article? The worst he got was probation. I just skipped through it and saw a three month sentence (funny enough, even less than that boy is sitting in). Didn't see the probation thing, my bad - sorry.
And the man in this story will never get eight years in prison, just because it's possible doesn't mean it will happen. I think it's a shame that if he was going to have to be in custody for four months it was not in a psychiatric ward.
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On June 30 2013 22:39 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:37 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:34 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:33 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:31 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:29 Saryph wrote: Since so many Germans have complained about this in this thread, would any of you post that the holocaust wasn't real with 'jk lol' at the end, knowing such a post is illegal in your country and punishable with a five year prison sentence?
Do you think that law is just as ridiculous as this situation, or since its in your country you understand it better and agree with it? You would never get jailtime for that. How much do you want to bet? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Faurisson Want me to point out the differences between a facebook post and him, or do you accept how stupid that comparison is? He was never jailed. Did you read the article? The worst he got was probation. I just skipped through it and saw a three month sentence (funny enough, even less than that boy is sitting in). Didn't see the probation thing, my bad - sorry. And it wasn't a german court.
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On June 30 2013 21:56 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:56 teddyoojo wrote:On June 30 2013 21:51 DannyJ wrote: Screw worrying about the NSA, I'm going to be scared that some creepy lady in Canada is going to google what I live by... well you can thank facebook for that one i guess facebook didnt force him to threaten to kill people
he never threatened to kill anybody
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On June 30 2013 22:43 Saryph wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:39 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:37 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:34 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:33 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:31 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:29 Saryph wrote: Since so many Germans have complained about this in this thread, would any of you post that the holocaust wasn't real with 'jk lol' at the end, knowing such a post is illegal in your country and punishable with a five year prison sentence?
Do you think that law is just as ridiculous as this situation, or since its in your country you understand it better and agree with it? You would never get jailtime for that. How much do you want to bet? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Faurisson Want me to point out the differences between a facebook post and him, or do you accept how stupid that comparison is? He was never jailed. Did you read the article? The worst he got was probation. I just skipped through it and saw a three month sentence (funny enough, even less than that boy is sitting in). Didn't see the probation thing, my bad - sorry. And the man in this story will never get eight years in prison, just because it's possible doesn't mean it will happen.
Another one that missed the fact that this kid already is in prison for four months, do you even have an idea how long that time is "behind bars"? I was in "youth-prison" for two weeks for some stupid shit, and let me tell you, i was even worse AFTER i was in there. I don't want to imagine what happens to a normal kid that sits in for 4 months with actual criminals.
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On June 30 2013 22:43 Saryph wrote: And the man in this story will never get eight years in prison, just because it's possible doesn't mean it will happen.
See, by the same logic just because someone makes a threat (which this was NOT) doesn't mean they'll follow up on it.
On June 30 2013 22:43 Saryph wrote: I think it's a shame that if he was going to have to be in custody for four months it was not in a psychiatric ward.
Right, people need to be in a psychiatric ward for venting their frustrations... I'm sorry what?
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On June 30 2013 22:43 Saryph wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:39 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:37 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:34 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:33 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:31 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:29 Saryph wrote: Since so many Germans have complained about this in this thread, would any of you post that the holocaust wasn't real with 'jk lol' at the end, knowing such a post is illegal in your country and punishable with a five year prison sentence?
Do you think that law is just as ridiculous as this situation, or since its in your country you understand it better and agree with it? You would never get jailtime for that. How much do you want to bet? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Faurisson Want me to point out the differences between a facebook post and him, or do you accept how stupid that comparison is? He was never jailed. Did you read the article? The worst he got was probation. I just skipped through it and saw a three month sentence (funny enough, even less than that boy is sitting in). Didn't see the probation thing, my bad - sorry. And the man in this story will never get eight years in prison, just because it's possible doesn't mean it will happen. I think it's a shame that if he was going to have to be in custody for four months it was not in a psychiatric ward. This statement clearly shows you're a lot more insane than this kid.
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On June 30 2013 22:45 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:43 Saryph wrote:On June 30 2013 22:39 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:37 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:34 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:33 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:31 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:29 Saryph wrote: Since so many Germans have complained about this in this thread, would any of you post that the holocaust wasn't real with 'jk lol' at the end, knowing such a post is illegal in your country and punishable with a five year prison sentence?
Do you think that law is just as ridiculous as this situation, or since its in your country you understand it better and agree with it? You would never get jailtime for that. How much do you want to bet? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Faurisson Want me to point out the differences between a facebook post and him, or do you accept how stupid that comparison is? He was never jailed. Did you read the article? The worst he got was probation. I just skipped through it and saw a three month sentence (funny enough, even less than that boy is sitting in). Didn't see the probation thing, my bad - sorry. And the man in this story will never get eight years in prison, just because it's possible doesn't mean it will happen. Another one that missed the fact that this kid already is in prison for four months, do you even have an idea how long that time is "behind bars"? I was in "youth-prison" for two weeks for some stupid shit, and let me tell you, i was even worse AFTER i was in there. I don't want to imagine what happens to a normal kid that sits in for 4 months with actual criminals.
I did not miss that piece of info, however you apparently did miss that I was not talking about how long he has been in jail, but that he will not serve the eight years in prison people keep mentioning.
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On June 30 2013 22:45 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:43 Saryph wrote: And the man in this story will never get eight years in prison, just because it's possible doesn't mean it will happen. See, by the same logic just because someone makes a threat (which this was NOT) doesn't mean they'll follow up on it. Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:43 Saryph wrote: I think it's a shame that if he was going to have to be in custody for four months it was not in a psychiatric ward. Right, people need to be in a psychiatric ward for venting their frustrations... I'm sorry what? The guy who got arrested was responding to someone calling him insane. He responded by saying he was indeed insane, and then that he would do something that's insane (e.g. shooting and then eating hearts).
So surely, if you are taking it seriously that it's a threat, you should take seriously his admission that he's insane, and was going to do something insane, and send him to a psych hospital, and not to jail. If you are taking the shooting school kids part seriously, why aren't you taking the insane part seriously?
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Well how on earth Sodapoppin has not been arrested in Texas if they are like that i have no idea. What a complete and utter joke >.<
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On June 30 2013 22:46 Passion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:43 Saryph wrote:On June 30 2013 22:39 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:37 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:34 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:33 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:31 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:29 Saryph wrote: Since so many Germans have complained about this in this thread, would any of you post that the holocaust wasn't real with 'jk lol' at the end, knowing such a post is illegal in your country and punishable with a five year prison sentence?
Do you think that law is just as ridiculous as this situation, or since its in your country you understand it better and agree with it? You would never get jailtime for that. How much do you want to bet? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Faurisson Want me to point out the differences between a facebook post and him, or do you accept how stupid that comparison is? He was never jailed. Did you read the article? The worst he got was probation. I just skipped through it and saw a three month sentence (funny enough, even less than that boy is sitting in). Didn't see the probation thing, my bad - sorry. And the man in this story will never get eight years in prison, just because it's possible doesn't mean it will happen. I think it's a shame that if he was going to have to be in custody for four months it was not in a psychiatric ward. This statement clearly shows you're a lot more insane than this kid.
Nice personal insult, and which part of my statement is wrong? That I think he won't get eight years in prison for this or that I think IF he is going to be in custody for four months no matter what I would rather he be evaluated than just sitting in jail the entire time?
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On June 30 2013 20:48 czylu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 20:44 Lucumo wrote:Well, you never know with these LoL players... On June 30 2013 20:37 edlover420 wrote:But a Canadian woman who saw the post looked up Carter’s Austin address, determined that it was near an elementary school, and called the police. Anyway, how did she find out the name and address? this is a better article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/27/teenager-justin-carter-facebook-comment-jail_n_3512025.htmlHe made a post on facebook, and the idiot probably made it public. It wasn't like he said it in game. Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 20:47 Subversive wrote:On June 30 2013 20:44 czylu wrote: as a LOL player, i think this kid deserves everything he gets. Does any1 buy that this kid had no clue of the Newtown Shootings? He must be living under a rock. Mild trolling, 8 years in prison. Seems reasonable. Jesus Christ what is wrong with you? It's called context and time frame. The kid did this in February, barely 2 months from when a 19 year old grabbed a rifle and killed 30 people in an elementary school. This close to a nationally covered mass shooting, there is no DA/Cop in the country that was gonna let a statement like that go unpunished. And frankly, the kid deserves some jail time for being that stupid. Yes, all jokes on the internet should be subject to real crime comparisons. What the fuck. "Statement like that go unpunished". That says it all.
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On June 30 2013 22:48 Lonyo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:45 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 30 2013 22:43 Saryph wrote: And the man in this story will never get eight years in prison, just because it's possible doesn't mean it will happen. See, by the same logic just because someone makes a threat (which this was NOT) doesn't mean they'll follow up on it. On June 30 2013 22:43 Saryph wrote: I think it's a shame that if he was going to have to be in custody for four months it was not in a psychiatric ward. Right, people need to be in a psychiatric ward for venting their frustrations... I'm sorry what? The guy who got arrested was responding to someone calling him insane. He responded by saying he was indeed insane, and then that he would do something that's insane (e.g. shooting and then eating hearts). So surely, if you are taking it seriously that it's a threat, you should take seriously his admission that he's insane, and was going to do something insane, and send him to a psych hospital, and not to jail. If you are taking the shooting school kids part seriously, why aren't you taking the insane part seriously?
But you shouldn't take either seriously. Anyone who knows anything about the internet should understand that it was at worst a bout of frustration, at best a terrible joke.
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On June 30 2013 22:49 Saryph wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:46 Passion wrote:On June 30 2013 22:43 Saryph wrote:On June 30 2013 22:39 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:37 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:34 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:33 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:31 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:29 Saryph wrote: Since so many Germans have complained about this in this thread, would any of you post that the holocaust wasn't real with 'jk lol' at the end, knowing such a post is illegal in your country and punishable with a five year prison sentence?
Do you think that law is just as ridiculous as this situation, or since its in your country you understand it better and agree with it? You would never get jailtime for that. How much do you want to bet? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Faurisson Want me to point out the differences between a facebook post and him, or do you accept how stupid that comparison is? He was never jailed. Did you read the article? The worst he got was probation. I just skipped through it and saw a three month sentence (funny enough, even less than that boy is sitting in). Didn't see the probation thing, my bad - sorry. And the man in this story will never get eight years in prison, just because it's possible doesn't mean it will happen. I think it's a shame that if he was going to have to be in custody for four months it was not in a psychiatric ward. This statement clearly shows you're a lot more insane than this kid. Nice personal insult, and which part of my statement is wrong? That I think he won't get eight years in prison for this or that I think IF he is going to be in custody for four months no matter what I would rather he be evaluated than just sitting in jail the entire time?
How about: they should have investigated him and his history before detaining him for any amount of time at all?
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On June 30 2013 22:47 Saryph wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:45 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:43 Saryph wrote:On June 30 2013 22:39 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:37 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:34 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:33 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:31 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:29 Saryph wrote: Since so many Germans have complained about this in this thread, would any of you post that the holocaust wasn't real with 'jk lol' at the end, knowing such a post is illegal in your country and punishable with a five year prison sentence?
Do you think that law is just as ridiculous as this situation, or since its in your country you understand it better and agree with it? You would never get jailtime for that. How much do you want to bet? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Faurisson Want me to point out the differences between a facebook post and him, or do you accept how stupid that comparison is? He was never jailed. Did you read the article? The worst he got was probation. I just skipped through it and saw a three month sentence (funny enough, even less than that boy is sitting in). Didn't see the probation thing, my bad - sorry. And the man in this story will never get eight years in prison, just because it's possible doesn't mean it will happen. Another one that missed the fact that this kid already is in prison for four months, do you even have an idea how long that time is "behind bars"? I was in "youth-prison" for two weeks for some stupid shit, and let me tell you, i was even worse AFTER i was in there. I don't want to imagine what happens to a normal kid that sits in for 4 months with actual criminals. I did not miss that piece of info, however you apparently did miss that I was not talking about how long he has been in jail, but that he will not serve the eight years in prison people keep mentioning.
Oh, then he will be totally fine, i guess. Sorry, i actually missed that piece that they might not convict him for 8 years. 4 months with actual criminals, pff. Who cares, right? Just another life potentially destroyed. That's fine, he made a mean/stupid comment on facebook, they better burn him alive.
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On June 30 2013 22:50 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:47 Saryph wrote:On June 30 2013 22:45 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:43 Saryph wrote:On June 30 2013 22:39 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:37 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:34 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:33 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:31 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:29 Saryph wrote: Since so many Germans have complained about this in this thread, would any of you post that the holocaust wasn't real with 'jk lol' at the end, knowing such a post is illegal in your country and punishable with a five year prison sentence?
Do you think that law is just as ridiculous as this situation, or since its in your country you understand it better and agree with it? You would never get jailtime for that. How much do you want to bet? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Faurisson Want me to point out the differences between a facebook post and him, or do you accept how stupid that comparison is? He was never jailed. Did you read the article? The worst he got was probation. I just skipped through it and saw a three month sentence (funny enough, even less than that boy is sitting in). Didn't see the probation thing, my bad - sorry. And the man in this story will never get eight years in prison, just because it's possible doesn't mean it will happen. Another one that missed the fact that this kid already is in prison for four months, do you even have an idea how long that time is "behind bars"? I was in "youth-prison" for two weeks for some stupid shit, and let me tell you, i was even worse AFTER i was in there. I don't want to imagine what happens to a normal kid that sits in for 4 months with actual criminals. I did not miss that piece of info, however you apparently did miss that I was not talking about how long he has been in jail, but that he will not serve the eight years in prison people keep mentioning. Oh, then he will be totally fine, i guess. Sorry, i actually missed that piece that they might not convict him for 8 years. 4 months with actual criminals, pff. Who cares, right? Just another life potentially destroyed. That's fine, he made a mean/stupid comment on facebook, they better burn him alive.
I've never actually stated an opinion on him being arrested in the first place, I'd like it if you and MasterofPuppets would stop putting words in my mouth. I try to have enough respect for you to not misrepresent you.
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That is so retarded i don't even understand how people (the attorney and the canadian bitch) can take this seriously... Makes me so mad i want to eat their still beating hearts. lol jk
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On June 30 2013 22:50 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:47 Saryph wrote:On June 30 2013 22:45 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:43 Saryph wrote:On June 30 2013 22:39 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:37 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:34 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:33 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:31 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:29 Saryph wrote: Since so many Germans have complained about this in this thread, would any of you post that the holocaust wasn't real with 'jk lol' at the end, knowing such a post is illegal in your country and punishable with a five year prison sentence?
Do you think that law is just as ridiculous as this situation, or since its in your country you understand it better and agree with it? You would never get jailtime for that. How much do you want to bet? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Faurisson Want me to point out the differences between a facebook post and him, or do you accept how stupid that comparison is? He was never jailed. Did you read the article? The worst he got was probation. I just skipped through it and saw a three month sentence (funny enough, even less than that boy is sitting in). Didn't see the probation thing, my bad - sorry. And the man in this story will never get eight years in prison, just because it's possible doesn't mean it will happen. Another one that missed the fact that this kid already is in prison for four months, do you even have an idea how long that time is "behind bars"? I was in "youth-prison" for two weeks for some stupid shit, and let me tell you, i was even worse AFTER i was in there. I don't want to imagine what happens to a normal kid that sits in for 4 months with actual criminals. I did not miss that piece of info, however you apparently did miss that I was not talking about how long he has been in jail, but that he will not serve the eight years in prison people keep mentioning. Oh, then he will be totally fine, i guess. Sorry, i actually missed that piece that they might not convict him for 8 years. 4 months with actual criminals, pff. Who cares, right? Just another life potentially destroyed. That's fine, he made a mean/stupid comment on facebook, they better burn him alive. No one said he would spend time with actual criminals, might as well get house arrest or just community service. And I doubt being burned alive is something he actually would choose
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On June 30 2013 22:45 Quotidian wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:56 nkr wrote:On June 30 2013 21:56 teddyoojo wrote:On June 30 2013 21:51 DannyJ wrote: Screw worrying about the NSA, I'm going to be scared that some creepy lady in Canada is going to google what I live by... well you can thank facebook for that one i guess facebook didnt force him to threaten to kill people he never threatened to kill anybody He didn't threaten to shoot up a school?
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On June 30 2013 22:49 Saryph wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:46 Passion wrote:On June 30 2013 22:43 Saryph wrote:On June 30 2013 22:39 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:37 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:34 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:33 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:31 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:29 Saryph wrote: Since so many Germans have complained about this in this thread, would any of you post that the holocaust wasn't real with 'jk lol' at the end, knowing such a post is illegal in your country and punishable with a five year prison sentence?
Do you think that law is just as ridiculous as this situation, or since its in your country you understand it better and agree with it? You would never get jailtime for that. How much do you want to bet? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Faurisson Want me to point out the differences between a facebook post and him, or do you accept how stupid that comparison is? He was never jailed. Did you read the article? The worst he got was probation. I just skipped through it and saw a three month sentence (funny enough, even less than that boy is sitting in). Didn't see the probation thing, my bad - sorry. And the man in this story will never get eight years in prison, just because it's possible doesn't mean it will happen. I think it's a shame that if he was going to have to be in custody for four months it was not in a psychiatric ward. This statement clearly shows you're a lot more insane than this kid. Nice personal insult, and which part of my statement is wrong? That I think he won't get eight years in prison for this or that I think IF he is going to be in custody for four months no matter what I would rather he be evaluated than just sitting in jail the entire time? This is where I start to get worried; when clearly insane people deny that they might get involved in some school shooting sometime soon...
What part of your statement is wrong? There's absolutely no indication that this kid has any mental issues. In a worst case scenario, you didn't like his joke.
Locking the poor kid up costs the state a fortune. Having him submitted to a suitable psychiatric institution is even more costly. He never meant any harm so imprisonment is already ridiculous. He didn't mean any harm and he has no mental disabilities. Psychiatric ward is a huge waste of money that'll do way more harm than good. The kid might end up damaged and people who actually need treatment might not receive it.
Great idea. Lovely how easily you wish to see someones life ruined. You deserve worse insults than my puny comment.
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On June 30 2013 22:53 Saryph wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:50 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:47 Saryph wrote:On June 30 2013 22:45 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:43 Saryph wrote:On June 30 2013 22:39 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:37 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:34 m4inbrain wrote:Want me to point out the differences between a facebook post and him, or do you accept how stupid that comparison is? He was never jailed. Did you read the article? The worst he got was probation. I just skipped through it and saw a three month sentence (funny enough, even less than that boy is sitting in). Didn't see the probation thing, my bad - sorry. And the man in this story will never get eight years in prison, just because it's possible doesn't mean it will happen. Another one that missed the fact that this kid already is in prison for four months, do you even have an idea how long that time is "behind bars"? I was in "youth-prison" for two weeks for some stupid shit, and let me tell you, i was even worse AFTER i was in there. I don't want to imagine what happens to a normal kid that sits in for 4 months with actual criminals. I did not miss that piece of info, however you apparently did miss that I was not talking about how long he has been in jail, but that he will not serve the eight years in prison people keep mentioning. Oh, then he will be totally fine, i guess. Sorry, i actually missed that piece that they might not convict him for 8 years. 4 months with actual criminals, pff. Who cares, right? Just another life potentially destroyed. That's fine, he made a mean/stupid comment on facebook, they better burn him alive. I've never actually stated an opinion on him being arrested in the first place, I'd like it if you and MasterofPuppets would stop putting words in my mouth. I try to have enough respect for you to not misrepresent you.
No, you didn't, you're right there. However, in the first comment i quoted from you (the one with "he won't serve [..]"), you completely neglected the fact that he is in jail for four months already. For a facebook post(!). After that you go on and tell us that if he has to be imprisoned for four months, it would be better to put him in a "nuthouse" for that time. Well how about not being retarded and don't jail/imprison/whatever him before something is actually proven?
Innocent until proven guilty, rings a bell? I'm sorry that i might come off agressive, but there's so many idiots here, you can't distinguish between them and just people with an actual opinion. So, sorry if i do you wrong, or how it's pronounced correctly.
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No one said he would spend time with actual criminals, might as well get house arrest or just community service. And I doubt being burned alive is something he actually would choose
500.000$ bail for house arrest? I seriously don't believe that. And you shouldn't either.
JC: No, and this was after they searched his home and found no weapons, and we assume they looked us up and saw we had no weapons. They basically had done all the investigating and the judge raised the bond to half a million dollars which of course we really couldn’t afford to get him out and he’s been in jail ever since.
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On June 30 2013 22:58 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:53 Saryph wrote:On June 30 2013 22:50 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:47 Saryph wrote:On June 30 2013 22:45 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:43 Saryph wrote:On June 30 2013 22:39 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:37 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:34 m4inbrain wrote:Want me to point out the differences between a facebook post and him, or do you accept how stupid that comparison is? He was never jailed. Did you read the article? The worst he got was probation. I just skipped through it and saw a three month sentence (funny enough, even less than that boy is sitting in). Didn't see the probation thing, my bad - sorry. And the man in this story will never get eight years in prison, just because it's possible doesn't mean it will happen. Another one that missed the fact that this kid already is in prison for four months, do you even have an idea how long that time is "behind bars"? I was in "youth-prison" for two weeks for some stupid shit, and let me tell you, i was even worse AFTER i was in there. I don't want to imagine what happens to a normal kid that sits in for 4 months with actual criminals. I did not miss that piece of info, however you apparently did miss that I was not talking about how long he has been in jail, but that he will not serve the eight years in prison people keep mentioning. Oh, then he will be totally fine, i guess. Sorry, i actually missed that piece that they might not convict him for 8 years. 4 months with actual criminals, pff. Who cares, right? Just another life potentially destroyed. That's fine, he made a mean/stupid comment on facebook, they better burn him alive. I've never actually stated an opinion on him being arrested in the first place, I'd like it if you and MasterofPuppets would stop putting words in my mouth. I try to have enough respect for you to not misrepresent you. No, you didn't, you're right there. However, in the first comment i quoted from you (the one with "he won't serve [..]"), you completely neglected the fact that he is in jail for four months already. For a facebook post(!). After that you go on and tell us that if he has to be imprisoned for four months, it would be better to put him in a "nuthouse" for that time. Well how about not being retarded and don't jail/imprison/whatever him before something is actually proven? Innocent until proven guilty, rings a bell? I'm sorry that i might come off agressive, but there's so many idiots here, you can't distinguish between them and just people with an actual opinion. So, sorry if i do you wrong, or how it's pronounced correctly. edit Show nested quote +No one said he would spend time with actual criminals, might as well get house arrest or just community service. And I doubt being burned alive is something he actually would choose 500.000$ bail for house arrest? I seriously don't believe that. And you shouldn't either. Hmm... is Saryph showing signs of schizophrenia?
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On June 30 2013 22:57 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:45 Quotidian wrote:On June 30 2013 21:56 nkr wrote:On June 30 2013 21:56 teddyoojo wrote:On June 30 2013 21:51 DannyJ wrote: Screw worrying about the NSA, I'm going to be scared that some creepy lady in Canada is going to google what I live by... well you can thank facebook for that one i guess facebook didnt force him to threaten to kill people he never threatened to kill anybody He didn't threaten to shoot up a school?
There is a difference between threatening and joking.
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Everyone sign this petition
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On June 30 2013 22:56 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:50 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:47 Saryph wrote:On June 30 2013 22:45 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:43 Saryph wrote:On June 30 2013 22:39 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:37 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:34 m4inbrain wrote:Want me to point out the differences between a facebook post and him, or do you accept how stupid that comparison is? He was never jailed. Did you read the article? The worst he got was probation. I just skipped through it and saw a three month sentence (funny enough, even less than that boy is sitting in). Didn't see the probation thing, my bad - sorry. And the man in this story will never get eight years in prison, just because it's possible doesn't mean it will happen. Another one that missed the fact that this kid already is in prison for four months, do you even have an idea how long that time is "behind bars"? I was in "youth-prison" for two weeks for some stupid shit, and let me tell you, i was even worse AFTER i was in there. I don't want to imagine what happens to a normal kid that sits in for 4 months with actual criminals. I did not miss that piece of info, however you apparently did miss that I was not talking about how long he has been in jail, but that he will not serve the eight years in prison people keep mentioning. Oh, then he will be totally fine, i guess. Sorry, i actually missed that piece that they might not convict him for 8 years. 4 months with actual criminals, pff. Who cares, right? Just another life potentially destroyed. That's fine, he made a mean/stupid comment on facebook, they better burn him alive. No one said he would spend time with actual criminals, might as well get house arrest or just community service. And I doubt being burned alive is something he actually would choose I dont know how it is in your country, but we dont have a separate jail for people that cant post bail. He is in jail as he was not a minor. Jail is jail. There are different kinds of security where they put hardcore criminals, but hes in with drug dealers and murderers right now for sure. He is in texas after all.
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On June 30 2013 23:00 Passion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:58 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:53 Saryph wrote:On June 30 2013 22:50 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:47 Saryph wrote:On June 30 2013 22:45 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:43 Saryph wrote:On June 30 2013 22:39 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:37 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:34 m4inbrain wrote: [quote]
Want me to point out the differences between a facebook post and him, or do you accept how stupid that comparison is? He was never jailed. Did you read the article? The worst he got was probation. I just skipped through it and saw a three month sentence (funny enough, even less than that boy is sitting in). Didn't see the probation thing, my bad - sorry. And the man in this story will never get eight years in prison, just because it's possible doesn't mean it will happen. Another one that missed the fact that this kid already is in prison for four months, do you even have an idea how long that time is "behind bars"? I was in "youth-prison" for two weeks for some stupid shit, and let me tell you, i was even worse AFTER i was in there. I don't want to imagine what happens to a normal kid that sits in for 4 months with actual criminals. I did not miss that piece of info, however you apparently did miss that I was not talking about how long he has been in jail, but that he will not serve the eight years in prison people keep mentioning. Oh, then he will be totally fine, i guess. Sorry, i actually missed that piece that they might not convict him for 8 years. 4 months with actual criminals, pff. Who cares, right? Just another life potentially destroyed. That's fine, he made a mean/stupid comment on facebook, they better burn him alive. I've never actually stated an opinion on him being arrested in the first place, I'd like it if you and MasterofPuppets would stop putting words in my mouth. I try to have enough respect for you to not misrepresent you. No, you didn't, you're right there. However, in the first comment i quoted from you (the one with "he won't serve [..]"), you completely neglected the fact that he is in jail for four months already. For a facebook post(!). After that you go on and tell us that if he has to be imprisoned for four months, it would be better to put him in a "nuthouse" for that time. Well how about not being retarded and don't jail/imprison/whatever him before something is actually proven? Innocent until proven guilty, rings a bell? I'm sorry that i might come off agressive, but there's so many idiots here, you can't distinguish between them and just people with an actual opinion. So, sorry if i do you wrong, or how it's pronounced correctly. edit No one said he would spend time with actual criminals, might as well get house arrest or just community service. And I doubt being burned alive is something he actually would choose 500.000$ bail for house arrest? I seriously don't believe that. And you shouldn't either. Hmm... is Saryph showing signs of schizophrenia?
You quoted me, but i don't really get what you mean, sorry. ^^
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On June 30 2013 23:02 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:56 Integra wrote:On June 30 2013 22:50 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:47 Saryph wrote:On June 30 2013 22:45 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:43 Saryph wrote:On June 30 2013 22:39 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:37 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:34 m4inbrain wrote:Want me to point out the differences between a facebook post and him, or do you accept how stupid that comparison is? He was never jailed. Did you read the article? The worst he got was probation. I just skipped through it and saw a three month sentence (funny enough, even less than that boy is sitting in). Didn't see the probation thing, my bad - sorry. And the man in this story will never get eight years in prison, just because it's possible doesn't mean it will happen. Another one that missed the fact that this kid already is in prison for four months, do you even have an idea how long that time is "behind bars"? I was in "youth-prison" for two weeks for some stupid shit, and let me tell you, i was even worse AFTER i was in there. I don't want to imagine what happens to a normal kid that sits in for 4 months with actual criminals. I did not miss that piece of info, however you apparently did miss that I was not talking about how long he has been in jail, but that he will not serve the eight years in prison people keep mentioning. Oh, then he will be totally fine, i guess. Sorry, i actually missed that piece that they might not convict him for 8 years. 4 months with actual criminals, pff. Who cares, right? Just another life potentially destroyed. That's fine, he made a mean/stupid comment on facebook, they better burn him alive. No one said he would spend time with actual criminals, might as well get house arrest or just community service. And I doubt being burned alive is something he actually would choose I dont know how it is in your country, but we dont have a separate jail for people that cant post bail. He is in jail as he was not a minor. Jail is jail. There are different kinds of security where they put hardcore criminals, but hes in with drug dealers and murderers right now for sure. He is in texas after all. I doubt they would put him with murderers.
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This is a joke, it's pathetic. The kids an idiot sure but the authorities behind this are well, indescribable. I can't even believe this - crazy world we live in.
Release him, give him some compensation for being idiots and screwing around with his life at such a young age and let him go back to living his life.
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He may as well have just raped someone. Would have probably gotten less time.
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On June 30 2013 23:04 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 23:02 TheRabidDeer wrote:On June 30 2013 22:56 Integra wrote:On June 30 2013 22:50 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:47 Saryph wrote:On June 30 2013 22:45 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:43 Saryph wrote:On June 30 2013 22:39 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:37 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:34 m4inbrain wrote: [quote]
Want me to point out the differences between a facebook post and him, or do you accept how stupid that comparison is? He was never jailed. Did you read the article? The worst he got was probation. I just skipped through it and saw a three month sentence (funny enough, even less than that boy is sitting in). Didn't see the probation thing, my bad - sorry. And the man in this story will never get eight years in prison, just because it's possible doesn't mean it will happen. Another one that missed the fact that this kid already is in prison for four months, do you even have an idea how long that time is "behind bars"? I was in "youth-prison" for two weeks for some stupid shit, and let me tell you, i was even worse AFTER i was in there. I don't want to imagine what happens to a normal kid that sits in for 4 months with actual criminals. I did not miss that piece of info, however you apparently did miss that I was not talking about how long he has been in jail, but that he will not serve the eight years in prison people keep mentioning. Oh, then he will be totally fine, i guess. Sorry, i actually missed that piece that they might not convict him for 8 years. 4 months with actual criminals, pff. Who cares, right? Just another life potentially destroyed. That's fine, he made a mean/stupid comment on facebook, they better burn him alive. No one said he would spend time with actual criminals, might as well get house arrest or just community service. And I doubt being burned alive is something he actually would choose I dont know how it is in your country, but we dont have a separate jail for people that cant post bail. He is in jail as he was not a minor. Jail is jail. There are different kinds of security where they put hardcore criminals, but hes in with drug dealers and murderers right now for sure. He is in texas after all. I doubt they would put him with murderers.
Do you know what a jail is?
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On June 30 2013 23:04 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 23:02 TheRabidDeer wrote:On June 30 2013 22:56 Integra wrote:On June 30 2013 22:50 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:47 Saryph wrote:On June 30 2013 22:45 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:43 Saryph wrote:On June 30 2013 22:39 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:37 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:34 m4inbrain wrote: [quote]
Want me to point out the differences between a facebook post and him, or do you accept how stupid that comparison is? He was never jailed. Did you read the article? The worst he got was probation. I just skipped through it and saw a three month sentence (funny enough, even less than that boy is sitting in). Didn't see the probation thing, my bad - sorry. And the man in this story will never get eight years in prison, just because it's possible doesn't mean it will happen. Another one that missed the fact that this kid already is in prison for four months, do you even have an idea how long that time is "behind bars"? I was in "youth-prison" for two weeks for some stupid shit, and let me tell you, i was even worse AFTER i was in there. I don't want to imagine what happens to a normal kid that sits in for 4 months with actual criminals. I did not miss that piece of info, however you apparently did miss that I was not talking about how long he has been in jail, but that he will not serve the eight years in prison people keep mentioning. Oh, then he will be totally fine, i guess. Sorry, i actually missed that piece that they might not convict him for 8 years. 4 months with actual criminals, pff. Who cares, right? Just another life potentially destroyed. That's fine, he made a mean/stupid comment on facebook, they better burn him alive. No one said he would spend time with actual criminals, might as well get house arrest or just community service. And I doubt being burned alive is something he actually would choose I dont know how it is in your country, but we dont have a separate jail for people that cant post bail. He is in jail as he was not a minor. Jail is jail. There are different kinds of security where they put hardcore criminals, but hes in with drug dealers and murderers right now for sure. He is in texas after all. I doubt they would put him with murderers. Swedish jails must be nice...
American jails are overflowing, they dont have a choice.
EDIT: The construction of prisons is the #1 construction job in america
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On June 30 2013 22:58 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:53 Saryph wrote:On June 30 2013 22:50 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:47 Saryph wrote:On June 30 2013 22:45 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:43 Saryph wrote:On June 30 2013 22:39 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:37 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:34 m4inbrain wrote:Want me to point out the differences between a facebook post and him, or do you accept how stupid that comparison is? He was never jailed. Did you read the article? The worst he got was probation. I just skipped through it and saw a three month sentence (funny enough, even less than that boy is sitting in). Didn't see the probation thing, my bad - sorry. And the man in this story will never get eight years in prison, just because it's possible doesn't mean it will happen. Another one that missed the fact that this kid already is in prison for four months, do you even have an idea how long that time is "behind bars"? I was in "youth-prison" for two weeks for some stupid shit, and let me tell you, i was even worse AFTER i was in there. I don't want to imagine what happens to a normal kid that sits in for 4 months with actual criminals. I did not miss that piece of info, however you apparently did miss that I was not talking about how long he has been in jail, but that he will not serve the eight years in prison people keep mentioning. Oh, then he will be totally fine, i guess. Sorry, i actually missed that piece that they might not convict him for 8 years. 4 months with actual criminals, pff. Who cares, right? Just another life potentially destroyed. That's fine, he made a mean/stupid comment on facebook, they better burn him alive. I've never actually stated an opinion on him being arrested in the first place, I'd like it if you and MasterofPuppets would stop putting words in my mouth. I try to have enough respect for you to not misrepresent you. No, you didn't, you're right there. However, in the first comment i quoted from you (the one with "he won't serve [..]"), you completely neglected the fact that he is in jail for four months already. For a facebook post(!). After that you go on and tell us that if he has to be imprisoned for four months, it would be better to put him in a "nuthouse" for that time. Well how about not being retarded and don't jail/imprison/whatever him before something is actually proven? Innocent until proven guilty, rings a bell? I'm sorry that i might come off agressive, but there's so many idiots here, you can't distinguish between them and just people with an actual opinion. So, sorry if i do you wrong, or how it's pronounced correctly. edit Show nested quote +No one said he would spend time with actual criminals, might as well get house arrest or just community service. And I doubt being burned alive is something he actually would choose 500.000$ bail for house arrest? I seriously don't believe that. And you shouldn't either.
The facebook post was a threat though, even if he didn't really mean it. Of course it's silly they actually concluded they should charge him with a crime (and thus hold him in jail until is bail was collected.) And you seem to be forgetting the context of my statement about him being put into a psych ward. ---> IF <--- he has to be locked up, I'd rather he be evaluated, etc, than just tossed into jail. IMO the bail (you said its 500k?) is way too high for what he is being charged with, and I'd imagine the charge will be tossed anyway. Unless the judge is an unreasonable hard ass.
Getting tired of the insults from people like Passion. I get it, you don't think he should have been charged in the first place. But that wasn't what I was talking about in any posts until this one, yet you feel the need to personally insult me.
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Freedom of Speech right there. I wonder when they take down all comedians who make offensive jokes.
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On June 30 2013 20:48 czylu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 20:44 Lucumo wrote:Well, you never know with these LoL players... On June 30 2013 20:37 edlover420 wrote:But a Canadian woman who saw the post looked up Carter’s Austin address, determined that it was near an elementary school, and called the police. Anyway, how did she find out the name and address? this is a better article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/27/teenager-justin-carter-facebook-comment-jail_n_3512025.htmlHe made a post on facebook, and the idiot probably made it public. It wasn't like he said it in game. Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 20:47 Subversive wrote:On June 30 2013 20:44 czylu wrote: as a LOL player, i think this kid deserves everything he gets. Does any1 buy that this kid had no clue of the Newtown Shootings? He must be living under a rock. Mild trolling, 8 years in prison. Seems reasonable. Jesus Christ what is wrong with you? It's called context and time frame. The kid did this in February, barely 2 months from when a 19 year old grabbed a rifle and killed 30 people in an elementary school. This close to a nationally covered mass shooting, there is no DA/Cop in the country that was gonna let a statement like that go unpunished. And frankly, the kid deserves some jail time for being that stupid.
Agreed, this kid was a dumbass. Spending a little time behind bars might teach him a good lesson. 8 years is a little excessive though. I doubt they will actually go through with that sentencing.
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On June 30 2013 23:06 Saryph wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:58 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:53 Saryph wrote:On June 30 2013 22:50 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:47 Saryph wrote:On June 30 2013 22:45 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:43 Saryph wrote:On June 30 2013 22:39 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:37 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:34 m4inbrain wrote: [quote]
Want me to point out the differences between a facebook post and him, or do you accept how stupid that comparison is? He was never jailed. Did you read the article? The worst he got was probation. I just skipped through it and saw a three month sentence (funny enough, even less than that boy is sitting in). Didn't see the probation thing, my bad - sorry. And the man in this story will never get eight years in prison, just because it's possible doesn't mean it will happen. Another one that missed the fact that this kid already is in prison for four months, do you even have an idea how long that time is "behind bars"? I was in "youth-prison" for two weeks for some stupid shit, and let me tell you, i was even worse AFTER i was in there. I don't want to imagine what happens to a normal kid that sits in for 4 months with actual criminals. I did not miss that piece of info, however you apparently did miss that I was not talking about how long he has been in jail, but that he will not serve the eight years in prison people keep mentioning. Oh, then he will be totally fine, i guess. Sorry, i actually missed that piece that they might not convict him for 8 years. 4 months with actual criminals, pff. Who cares, right? Just another life potentially destroyed. That's fine, he made a mean/stupid comment on facebook, they better burn him alive. I've never actually stated an opinion on him being arrested in the first place, I'd like it if you and MasterofPuppets would stop putting words in my mouth. I try to have enough respect for you to not misrepresent you. No, you didn't, you're right there. However, in the first comment i quoted from you (the one with "he won't serve [..]"), you completely neglected the fact that he is in jail for four months already. For a facebook post(!). After that you go on and tell us that if he has to be imprisoned for four months, it would be better to put him in a "nuthouse" for that time. Well how about not being retarded and don't jail/imprison/whatever him before something is actually proven? Innocent until proven guilty, rings a bell? I'm sorry that i might come off agressive, but there's so many idiots here, you can't distinguish between them and just people with an actual opinion. So, sorry if i do you wrong, or how it's pronounced correctly. edit No one said he would spend time with actual criminals, might as well get house arrest or just community service. And I doubt being burned alive is something he actually would choose 500.000$ bail for house arrest? I seriously don't believe that. And you shouldn't either. The facebook post was a threat though, even if he didn't really mean it. Of course it's silly they actually concluded they should charge him with a crime (and thus hold him in jail until is bail was collected.) And you seem to be forgetting the context of my statement about him being put into a psych ward. ---> IF <--- he has to be locked up, I'd rather he be evaluated, etc, than just tossed into jail. IMO the bail (you said its 500k?) is way too high for what he is being charged with, and I'd imagine the charge will be tossed anyway. Unless the judge is an unreasonable hard ass. Getting tired of the insults from people like Passion. I get it, you don't think he should have been charged in the first place. But that wasn't what I was talking about in any posts until this one, yet you feel the need to personally insult me. Seriously, you're saying a lot worse stuff than I am doing here. Think I kind of made that clear...
On June 30 2013 23:09 DyEnasTy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 20:48 czylu wrote:On June 30 2013 20:44 Lucumo wrote:Well, you never know with these LoL players... On June 30 2013 20:37 edlover420 wrote:But a Canadian woman who saw the post looked up Carter’s Austin address, determined that it was near an elementary school, and called the police. Anyway, how did she find out the name and address? this is a better article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/27/teenager-justin-carter-facebook-comment-jail_n_3512025.htmlHe made a post on facebook, and the idiot probably made it public. It wasn't like he said it in game. On June 30 2013 20:47 Subversive wrote:On June 30 2013 20:44 czylu wrote: as a LOL player, i think this kid deserves everything he gets. Does any1 buy that this kid had no clue of the Newtown Shootings? He must be living under a rock. Mild trolling, 8 years in prison. Seems reasonable. Jesus Christ what is wrong with you? It's called context and time frame. The kid did this in February, barely 2 months from when a 19 year old grabbed a rifle and killed 30 people in an elementary school. This close to a nationally covered mass shooting, there is no DA/Cop in the country that was gonna let a statement like that go unpunished. And frankly, the kid deserves some jail time for being that stupid. Agreed, this kid was a dumbass. Spending a little time behind bars might teach him a good lesson. 8 years is a little excessive though. I doubt they will actually go through with that sentencing. When did time behind bars ever teach anything other than how to buy/sell/transport drugs in a cheap manner or how to get rid of the competition?
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On June 30 2013 23:06 Saryph wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:58 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:53 Saryph wrote:On June 30 2013 22:50 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:47 Saryph wrote:On June 30 2013 22:45 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:43 Saryph wrote:On June 30 2013 22:39 m4inbrain wrote:On June 30 2013 22:37 Caihead wrote:On June 30 2013 22:34 m4inbrain wrote: [quote]
Want me to point out the differences between a facebook post and him, or do you accept how stupid that comparison is? He was never jailed. Did you read the article? The worst he got was probation. I just skipped through it and saw a three month sentence (funny enough, even less than that boy is sitting in). Didn't see the probation thing, my bad - sorry. And the man in this story will never get eight years in prison, just because it's possible doesn't mean it will happen. Another one that missed the fact that this kid already is in prison for four months, do you even have an idea how long that time is "behind bars"? I was in "youth-prison" for two weeks for some stupid shit, and let me tell you, i was even worse AFTER i was in there. I don't want to imagine what happens to a normal kid that sits in for 4 months with actual criminals. I did not miss that piece of info, however you apparently did miss that I was not talking about how long he has been in jail, but that he will not serve the eight years in prison people keep mentioning. Oh, then he will be totally fine, i guess. Sorry, i actually missed that piece that they might not convict him for 8 years. 4 months with actual criminals, pff. Who cares, right? Just another life potentially destroyed. That's fine, he made a mean/stupid comment on facebook, they better burn him alive. I've never actually stated an opinion on him being arrested in the first place, I'd like it if you and MasterofPuppets would stop putting words in my mouth. I try to have enough respect for you to not misrepresent you. No, you didn't, you're right there. However, in the first comment i quoted from you (the one with "he won't serve [..]"), you completely neglected the fact that he is in jail for four months already. For a facebook post(!). After that you go on and tell us that if he has to be imprisoned for four months, it would be better to put him in a "nuthouse" for that time. Well how about not being retarded and don't jail/imprison/whatever him before something is actually proven? Innocent until proven guilty, rings a bell? I'm sorry that i might come off agressive, but there's so many idiots here, you can't distinguish between them and just people with an actual opinion. So, sorry if i do you wrong, or how it's pronounced correctly. edit No one said he would spend time with actual criminals, might as well get house arrest or just community service. And I doubt being burned alive is something he actually would choose 500.000$ bail for house arrest? I seriously don't believe that. And you shouldn't either. The facebook post was a threat though, even if he didn't really mean it. Of course it's silly they actually concluded they could charge him with a crime (and thus hold him in jail until is bail was collected.) And you seem to be forgetting the context of my statement about him being put into a psych ward. ---> IF <--- he has to be locked up, I'd rather he be evaluated, etc, than just tossed into jail. IMO the bail (you said its 500k?) is way too high for what he is being charged with, and I'd imagine the charge will be tossed anyway. Unless the judge is an unreasonable hard ass.
The mother said 500k, i just quoted her, to clarify. It was a threat, sure. Do you play league of legends, or even worse, DayZ? Do you know how many threats you get there? It's the internet. Also, just because you charge someone with a crime, doesn't mean that you need to put him in jail. At least over here in germany. Again, innocent until proven guilty. The fact that he was locked up is the most ridiculous thing i've read in the last weeks, and all the cogwheels behind that process should be removed for good.
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well america is known for locking people up for anything, so i am not that surprised. i guess a society is only free when a large part is behind bars.
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
This thread is rapidly going nowhere and seems to have run its course.
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