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I'm a new player to Starcraft 2, and I like to practice against AI's. I'm into 3v3, so I practice 3v3 against AI. However, I'm not always seeing improvement, I was wondering if you guys also practiced against AI, or is it simply not viable and I should be practicing with real players?
Poll: Do you practice with AI?No, that's stupid. (16) 52% Sure, it's okay. (15) 48% 31 total votes Your vote: Do you practice with AI? (Vote): No, that's stupid. (Vote): Sure, it's okay.
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Only for learning your build orders / units of each race.
AI still can't handle certain things at all, e.g. drops, invisible units, etc. give you instant wins. They are also very predictable.
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Canada8157 Posts
It's not a bad thing. If you are unfamiliar with the game, you might as well play vs the AI and familiarize yourself with the mechanics, some build orders and general strategy with each race. From there pick the race you like the most and you can start playing VS. people, or if you still aren't comfortable playing against people yet keep on going vs the AI.
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I think it's better practise for people under master league. The most important thing in this game is having builds that make sense and macroing, and you'll get more practise of those things playing vs AI. I did most of my practise until master league vs AI. Trying to learn to scout etc under master is just a waste of time as well imo since people have horrible macro and builds that you will not improve your scouting skills since the things you scout doesn't necessarily have to mean what they "should" mean if your opponent didn't fail his macro/build.
And by practising vs AI I mean without any opponent or just very easy AI that never attacks, just so you can focus all your attention on your macro and hitting your timings correctly. Until these things are second nature to you and you don't actually have to think about your build or macro, I wouldn't put my attention on anything else if I wanted to improve.
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It's okay for getting a good grasp on mechanics.
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On August 25 2014 09:24 Genome852 wrote: AI still can't handle certain things at all, e.g. drops, invisible units, etc. give you instant wins. They are also very predictable.
Even Expert AI?
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Practice vs. AI works for perfecting builds, but personally I find practicing vs. no opponent just as effective. I'm sure it depends on the person.
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your Country52796 Posts
On August 25 2014 09:28 .dot wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 09:24 Genome852 wrote: AI still can't handle certain things at all, e.g. drops, invisible units, etc. give you instant wins. They are also very predictable. Even Expert AI? Even expert AI still does stupid stuff when you drop or do some other sort of harass, yeah.
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It is very important to play against humans because of their unpredictability. AI is good for hammering out builds and getting a good idea of what your general game plan will be. There is a huge difference when you all of a sudden are thrown in against a human after playing versus a computer. You need to learn to react and be cool even when you don't know what your opponent is doing. Playing bot games, while they can grind the build into your muscle memory (which I do find useful), will be leaving out a huge aspect of the game.
For solo 3v3, scouting is a bit harder, so you may notice less of a difference.
If it's more relaxing and fun to play bot games, I say go for it. Eventually you will probably figure out how to beat them very easily and regularly, and then you can make the next step if you are so inclined.
Edit: Yeah, you can beat a cheater AI (maphack + resources) with just two dropships of units. You fly in with one into the main and kill stuff, then when they run their whole army into their main base, you drop the natural ... eventually they will run out of resources.
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your Country52796 Posts
On August 25 2014 09:35 eskashaborn wrote: It is very important to play against humans because of their unpredictability. AI is good for hammering out builds and getting a good idea of what your general game plan will be. There is a huge difference when you all of a sudden are thrown in against a human after playing versus a computer. You need to learn to react and be cool even when you don't know what your opponent is doing. Playing bot games, while they can grind the build into your muscle memory (which I do find useful), will be leaving out a huge aspect of the game.
This is pretty accurate. When I did BC rushes against a computer, for example, it went for a pretty standard build and ignored the fact I was getting battlecruisers. However, when I used it against humans, they would scout and attempt to counter the BCs in different ways (hydralisks, spores, mutalisks, etc).
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On August 25 2014 09:35 eskashaborn wrote: It is very important to play against humans because of their unpredictability.
I noticed this very early on in my practices, they would go really standard builds like marines, marauders and medivacs, and usually when they scout me or my teammates, even if it counters their build, they won't do anything about it. No transitions, no counters, etc.
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On August 25 2014 09:35 eskashaborn wrote: It is very important to play against humans because of their unpredictability. AI is good for hammering out builds and getting a good idea of what your general game plan will be. There is a huge difference when you all of a sudden are thrown in against a human after playing versus a computer. You need to learn to react and be cool even when you don't know what your opponent is doing. Playing bot games, while they can grind the build into your muscle memory (which I do find useful), will be leaving out a huge aspect of the game.
For solo 3v3, scouting is a bit harder, so you may notice less of a difference.
If it's more relaxing and fun to play bot games, I say go for it. Eventually you will probably figure out how to beat them very easily and regularly, and then you can make the next step if you are so inclined.
Edit: Yeah, you can beat a cheater AI (maphack + resources) with just two dropships of units. You fly in with one into the main and kill stuff, then when they run their whole army into their main base, you drop the natural ... eventually they will run out of resources.
It's also really helpful in learning teamwork. When you're playing with AI's you can give them commands like scan, expo, defend, etc, which you should use to simulate working out team strategies and army movement in real games.
Also I beat an insane AI using only blink stalkers lel.
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I guess this goes to show that SCII is even more complicated and requires a higher IQ to master than chess where computers have recently completely dominated humans.
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