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ortseam
996 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On August 18 2017 23:25 ortseam wrote: The discussion is only about racepicking to avoid mirrors. I don't understand why people keep mixing in comparisons with tvz/zvp/pvt or other types of racepicking; it's irrelevant and it's simply a bad argument against the specific type of racepicking which is being discussed. I very strongly think you should be able to race pick completely freely. The game is balanced enough that there's not much of a competitive advantage to doing that (realistically there's none because you have to play several different races), and in nearly 20 years of BW the people who've race picked are far outnumbered by those who did not. On August 18 2017 21:13 The_Red_Viper wrote: Why limit it to avoiding mirrors? I want my special treatment as well. What about playing TvZ, PvT and ZvP ? Sure. Or i really hate to play vs players who cheese a lot, there should be an option where i can select that i only get matched vs players who cheese in less than 10% of their games. Non-sequitur. It's funny to me that this is a discussion in the bw forums btw, the "perfect game". Apparently not perfect enough to play mirror matchups. Maybe we should change those Since BW has had race picking as part of it for close to 20 years (and most people choose not to do it) I think we don't need to change anything. | ||
ortseam
996 Posts
On August 18 2017 23:28 Liquid`Jinro wrote: I very strongly think you should be able to race pick completely freely. The game is balanced enough that there's not much of a competitive advantage to doing that (realistically there's none because you have to play several different races), and in nearly 20 years of BW the people who've race picked are far outnumbered by those who did not. I agree with you, but this would make MM much more complicated, while simply avoiding mirrors wouldn't (just coinflip in case of same race). But i mentioned that mostly because it's being used as a (bad) argument from those who oppose this specific type of racepicking, where they try to create scenarios which almost never happen to prove their point. | ||
playa
United States1284 Posts
On August 18 2017 23:24 ROOTFayth wrote: treated as hackers? really? LOL you have serious issues man You guys have some autism issues. Obv exaggeration there. But, they're overwhelmingly scummy, that's for sure. It's so obvious that these guys feel they only have their MMR due to the random advantage. The stuff they try to pull to make sure they have an advantage makes a mockery out of the game. It's like bro... you have 2000 MMR, do you really need to type "X has left the game." Anything you can think of, you're going to experience it, on top of scouting them last. Without a doubt, I'd rather play vs a hacker. That's zero hyperbole there. Even if a person could play all races, they'd still probably have a preference or wouldn't feel dignified going random. I just think these guys are the clowns/scourge of the ladder. I'd gladly give my opponent vision before playing these guys. I've had a few people "tell me what race they are," unprompted. Guess how many were actually that race? It's so depressing knowing you suck bad enough to even have to play these clowns. Answer is obviously zero. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
EndingLife
United States1558 Posts
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ProMeTheus112
France2027 Posts
On August 18 2017 23:33 ortseam wrote: I agree with you, but this would make MM much more complicated, while simply avoiding mirrors wouldn't (just coinflip in case of same race). But i mentioned that mostly because it's being used as a (bad) argument from those who oppose this specific type of racepicking, where they try to create scenarios which almost never happen to prove their point. if you just add a "lobby" at MM, after you get matched against someone, and at this moment your can change your race during 5 seconds before game start (no leaving for cancelling, you lose if you quit), then it works easy no? like your MMR is either race or account based, no change to the inferface before looking for opponent, just possibility of changing race after you get matched up (which puts the race you selected as default) for 5 seconds after you see map and opponent race, locked after 3 seconds or smtg, go game start who is going to be mad at you for picking something other than your main for avoiding the mirror, the most likely case? I wouldnt do that cause I play P in all mus, and I wouldnt mind if my opponent does | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On August 19 2017 00:17 ProMeTheus112 wrote: if you just add a "lobby" at MM, after you get matched against someone, and at this moment your can change your race during 5 seconds before game start (no leaving for cancelling, you lose if you quit), then it works easy no? like your MMR is either race or account based, no change to the inferface before looking for opponent, just possibility of changing race after you get matched up (which puts the race you selected as default) for 5 seconds after you see map and opponent race, locked after 3 seconds or smtg, go game start who is going to be mad at you for picking something other than your main for avoiding the mirror, the most likely case? I wouldnt do that cause I play P in all mus, and I wouldnt mind if my opponent does I dont think this is good because it doesn't deal with the case where two people have incompatible matchup preferences. Automating the process solves that. | ||
FyRe_DragOn
Canada2049 Posts
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traxamillion
104 Posts
You know in all Korean tournaments race picking is not allowed right? You enter with one race and have to play it all the way through every match. You can't T vs Flash and Effort but play Z vs Bisu. | ||
rauk
United States2228 Posts
On August 19 2017 01:09 traxamillion wrote: Surprised so many people want this race picking trash. You guys are scrubs. Things are fine they way they are. You know in all Korean tournaments race picking is not allowed right? You enter with one race and have to play it all the way through every match. You can't T vs Flash and Effort but play Z vs Bisu. that isn't true lol. maybe they changed the rules for SOSPA era but at least for the first 15 years of korean bw this wasn't true | ||
Sr18
Netherlands1141 Posts
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Lopata
Czech Republic42 Posts
On August 19 2017 01:09 traxamillion wrote: Surprised so many people want this race picking trash. You guys are scrubs. Things are fine they way they are. You know in all Korean tournaments race picking is not allowed right? You enter with one race and have to play it all the way through every match. You can't T vs Flash and Effort but play Z vs Bisu. congrats, u won award for the most ignorant comment | ||
renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
On August 19 2017 01:09 traxamillion wrote: Surprised so many people want this race picking trash. You guys are scrubs. Things are fine they way they are. You know in all Korean tournaments race picking is not allowed right? You enter with one race and have to play it all the way through every match. You can't T vs Flash and Effort but play Z vs Bisu. Rude. | ||
nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
I played Protoss vs Zerg, but he played Terran vs Protoss... and if he played Terran I played Zerg, but he only played Protoss vs Zerg, but if he played Protoss I wanted to be Terran... and then he wanted to be Zerg. while(true) | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21242 Posts
On August 19 2017 01:43 rauk wrote: that isn't true lol. maybe they changed the rules for SOSPA era but at least for the first 15 years of korean bw this wasn't true On August 19 2017 02:24 Lopata wrote: congrats, u won award for the most ignorant comment He might be correct actually. I believe there came a point when individual leagues (OSL MSL Courage etc) required players to stick with their registered race for the whole tournament. In Proleague, you were allowed to pick Random but only if you submitted your decision ahead of time I believe. I definitely could be misremembering this though so someone feel free to correct me. edit: actually it seems for both individual leagues and proleague you just had to declare a race ahead of time blind. so technically you can't racepick but since 99.99% of the time you know your opponent's race you sorta can? | ||
LifeIsGood
4 Posts
Seeing someone like Ret get ZvZ over and over which he doesnt even really want to play is kind of annoying. I know race picking wasnt a thing in SC2 but personally I think this is the best fix to bring it back to BW. I dislike the idea of just queuing for a specific matchup that weve seen thrown around. I cant think of a better system than my idea but maybe we could brainstorm some tweaks to it? | ||
Endymion
United States3701 Posts
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heishe
Germany2284 Posts
But that's not even considering that they probably have design-philosophical reservations. For good reason. Think about the odd player who actually likes mirrors a lot. Are they now supposed to be screwed and play a mirror maybe once in 50 games just because the majority doesn't like playing them? In any case, it's probably the best idea that ya'll get used to mirror matches if you want to play on the official ladder. If we're lucky this kind of feature is | ||
Frauenarzt
Germany22 Posts
if u are terran on iccup and ur mu stats most likely look like 50 tvp 50 tvz and 10 tvt games so players who are good at mirror are already below the average rating they should have... also some people complain because 20 years of bw u could race pick thats just a joke right ? in those 20 years u could also zvz only to A+ or play 100-0 like testie on neo forbidden zone. also tournaments have nothing to do with mathmaking because u know who u play and u know the maps. most of the time u are also allowed to pick ur favorite map in bo3 after losing a game. | ||
yB.TeH
Germany413 Posts
On August 18 2017 23:17 Liquid`Jinro wrote: How is a player that plays TvZ TvP ZvT TvR less complete than someone who plays TvZ TvT TvP TvR? the non racepicking player isn't heavily disadvantaged in 1/3 of the cases against random | ||
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