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On February 04 2011 22:49 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2011 22:39 Integra wrote:On February 04 2011 22:35 FryKt wrote: All of you who are defending BLizzard with all your might, just why? Why do you do that? Blizzard should do all they can to get us to stay" keep playing the game, buy expansions etc, play ladder" They are NOT doing us a favor in adding new maps, you make this seem like they are giving us a gift or something. OF COUSE THEY SHOULD ADD NEW MAPS IN FUCKING 6 MONTHS WHEN EVERYONE HATES THEM. Why the fuck they haven't yet is a mystery.
Every one cries for bigger more sc1 maps, So why don't they fucking copy some from sc1, make them a little different, and keep some of the smaller ones we have now. So the noobies who don't like big maps can just vote them down, and vice versa. They try to balance everything over maps who the majority hates.
And now they try to make some new maps, but I mean they fail. The first one, okei lost temple fixed. Which actually are a map old as rock. But it's one of the best with xelnaga and Shakruas( but shakuras have those f'ing backdoors)
And when they make new maps, they put in all kind of shit, like rocks on every fucking expansion, grass everywhere so you don't see shit, but that's okei becouse there are 43572942 Xelnaga towers showing you when the opponents scv's are taking a shitbreak.
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Blizzard are not doing us a favor, they are slow and try too much new. Start making maps which are more standard, THEN make all the rocks, grass and all that crap. So freaking good that it needs to be quoted. It's actually a pretty bad post. Embodies the typical entitlement that is so prevalent these days.
I agree I don't see why people feel that raging on Internet forums will go anywhere. Wouldn't Blizzard be more open to listening if people made posts that did not include a bunch of insults?
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Why can they make maps like Fighting Spirit....its so friendly to casuals and accepted by pros.....
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crap, so what's gsl gonna do? they just picked new maps and then this happens.. also esl the same thing.
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If nothing else, these maps are far superior to the likes of Steppes, Jungle Basin, Blistering Sands and Delta Quadrant.
1. The changes to Lost Temple's expansions seems great, but I question the decision to change the middle. I'm not so sure it was completely necessary. I kind of enjoyed having the Xelnagas serve as a wall against an opponent that wasn't in the close position. But as a Zerg, it's not like I'm going to start complaining about more open space.
2. This one is eerily similar to Kulas Ravine in that the attack paths are all narrow as hell. "HERE HAVE AN EASY THIRD, THAT'LL MAKE UP FOR IT." But I suppose it could be a fun match to watch for other MUs.
3. Rocks are completely unnecessary and there's a bit too much ground to cover from the main to the natural, but it's tucked in nicely and there's a second ramp you can defend from. Overall, it seems like a decent map. The fighting spaces don't seem too big or too small.
4. So basically, they took the middle part of Steppes, copied it, and stuck them together and called it a map. Good luck taking thirds here. I sure hope you can't spawn close position.
5. MOAR ROCKS. MORE. :/
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The natural at map 2 (the desert one) looks undefendable like on Delta. So I have to push creep all the way to the forward ramp just to able to stop a sentry from forcefielding my ramp?
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On February 04 2011 23:44 Rareware wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2011 22:49 syllogism wrote:On February 04 2011 22:39 Integra wrote:On February 04 2011 22:35 FryKt wrote: All of you who are defending BLizzard with all your might, just why? Why do you do that? Blizzard should do all they can to get us to stay" keep playing the game, buy expansions etc, play ladder" They are NOT doing us a favor in adding new maps, you make this seem like they are giving us a gift or something. OF COUSE THEY SHOULD ADD NEW MAPS IN FUCKING 6 MONTHS WHEN EVERYONE HATES THEM. Why the fuck they haven't yet is a mystery.
Every one cries for bigger more sc1 maps, So why don't they fucking copy some from sc1, make them a little different, and keep some of the smaller ones we have now. So the noobies who don't like big maps can just vote them down, and vice versa. They try to balance everything over maps who the majority hates.
And now they try to make some new maps, but I mean they fail. The first one, okei lost temple fixed. Which actually are a map old as rock. But it's one of the best with xelnaga and Shakruas( but shakuras have those f'ing backdoors)
And when they make new maps, they put in all kind of shit, like rocks on every fucking expansion, grass everywhere so you don't see shit, but that's okei becouse there are 43572942 Xelnaga towers showing you when the opponents scv's are taking a shitbreak.
TL.DR:
Blizzard are not doing us a favor, they are slow and try too much new. Start making maps which are more standard, THEN make all the rocks, grass and all that crap. So freaking good that it needs to be quoted. It's actually a pretty bad post. Embodies the typical entitlement that is so prevalent these days. I agree I don't see why people feel that raging on Internet forums will go anywhere. Wouldn't Blizzard be more open to listening if people made posts that did not include a bunch of insults?
So you think it never happened? There was a thread in the battle.net forums by some iccup guy (don't remember who exactly opened it). He explained in a mannered way why the current situation of the maps is just bad, but there wasn't ever a blue post. People probably tried to tell Blizzard that their maps suck in a polite way not only once, but it seems that Blizzard doesn't care.
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Remove all the terran maps but keep shakuras xpositions, scrapped balance and macrololpolice xpositions.. Well, zerg only won half the GSLs ^^ Make them win all!!!
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On February 04 2011 23:53 Healingproof wrote: Remove all the terran maps but keep shakuras xpositions, scrapped balance and macrololpolice xpositions.. Well, zerg only won half the GSLs ^^ Make them win all!!!
Patch 1.2.2
-Terran Race Removed from the Game.
@predy:GSL is pretty confident with their map pool so I doubt they would change it unless Blizzard decides to completely delete their current map pool.
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Test map 1 & 5 look bad if the spawn locations are completely free.
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These maps are actually acceptable, one of them even looks fun. Whats going on blizzard??
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Map 1 & 5 looks the same just different tile sets.
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On February 04 2011 23:49 PredY wrote: crap, so what's gsl gonna do? they just picked new maps and then this happens.. also esl the same thing.
I hope both GOMTV and ESL will not be like "oh great, now we have an excuse to use shitty Blizzard maps again, since they are new" but instead go on using custom maps. They (and we) have to realize that we can't wait for Blizzard to start making good maps. If we rely on Blizzard to do stuff, we will only be disappointed. We have to do it ourselves (and Blizzard even said so).
Would just be cool if Blizzard would help us with some things (alternative to the ladder).
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On February 05 2011 00:05 Ragoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2011 23:49 PredY wrote: crap, so what's gsl gonna do? they just picked new maps and then this happens.. also esl the same thing. I hope both GOMTV and ESL will not be like "oh great, now we have an excuse to use shitty Blizzard maps again, since they are new" but instead go on using custom maps. They (and we) have to realize that we can't wait for Blizzard to start making good maps. If we rely on Blizzard to do stuff, we will only be disappointed. We have to do it ourselves (and Blizzard even said so). Would just be cool if Blizzard would help us with some things (alternative to the ladder). If GOM ditches the new maps they made for these ones I Won't be watching any more GSL tournaments until the fixed it back.
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On February 05 2011 00:09 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 00:05 Ragoo wrote:On February 04 2011 23:49 PredY wrote: crap, so what's gsl gonna do? they just picked new maps and then this happens.. also esl the same thing. I hope both GOMTV and ESL will not be like "oh great, now we have an excuse to use shitty Blizzard maps again, since they are new" but instead go on using custom maps. They (and we) have to realize that we can't wait for Blizzard to start making good maps. If we rely on Blizzard to do stuff, we will only be disappointed. We have to do it ourselves (and Blizzard even said so). Would just be cool if Blizzard would help us with some things (alternative to the ladder). If GOM ditches the new maps they made for these ones I Won't be watching any more GSL tournaments until the fixed it back.
I forsee a troubled future for GOM and their GSL Map Pool.
Unless Blizzard decides to let GOM do what they want to please the fans.
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While I am not a 10+ year BW veteran like most people here, I find these new maps satisfying. They seem very dynamic, and I can't really find any complaints. Well, as a protoss I don't like open spaces, so the old, more cramped maps were better for me, but otherwise these new maps look fun.
Here's a couple of complaints people have had: -"Close spawns are so close" - well, for tournament play it's easy to change the maps to not allow close spawns, Shakuras style, and it wouldn't change pretty much anything. As for ladder gaming...well, perhaps it's my protoss bias, but I have never found close positions annoying. If your race (namely Zerg) has problems with close spawns, I count it as problem with your race, not the map(s).
-"I hate rock backdoors" - only one of the new maps has them. Other rocks are next to naturals, which I can accept. Another option would be to just take out the rocks and leave an empty corridor there. Is that better? Or perhaps we should leave so there is only one choke and one choke only to both your main and natural?
So all in all, I find these maps good. However it may just be because my race Protoss are cheesmasters of this game, and distances are irrevelant to us. I don't do cheese, just pointing out that we have no trouble dealing with that kind of things. Even at short distances.
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Blizzard maps suck as always :/ They should let us lader on gsl maps or employ better map-makers
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On February 04 2011 23:53 Healingproof wrote: Remove all the terran maps but keep shakuras xpositions, scrapped balance and macrololpolice xpositions.. Well, zerg only won half the GSLs ^^ Make them win all!!!
Posts like this are completely ignorant. Just because they are macro maps does not automatically make them Zerg favored. Just because YOU have been one basing every game doesn't mean the rest of the terrans haven't figured out how to play the game. Look at statistics on Shakuras and Metalopolis. I assure you they are not heavily skewed towards Zergs. I know a lot of Terran players who actually enjoy macro maps.
There also seems to be a lot of people chiming in and yelling "LOLSUCKS BLIZZARD LAWL" without any justification for their claims. Are they just trying to inflate their post counts or is this some bandwagon effect?
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On February 04 2011 20:04 Nayl wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2011 20:00 Ribbon wrote:On February 04 2011 19:41 BLinD-RawR wrote:On February 04 2011 19:22 Patriot.dlk wrote:On February 04 2011 13:40 Plexa wrote:On February 04 2011 13:38 holy_war wrote:On February 04 2011 13:37 RifleCow wrote: Wow, so blizzard didn't add the GSL maps. Well all hope is now lost. Give the new maps a chance before saying something like that. The point is that now the ladder map pool =/= the map pool for the largest tournament which is bound to cause problems I don't see that being an issue. I assume GSL will cancel that move and use these maps. Any other move would be the wrong one No they would rather still use their maps as they are more balanced at the moment.....plus it's easier for them to give feedback to the maps and map issues take much less time to rectify. What is this comment based on? Based on the fact that GSL maps have been tested by Gisado Star challenge by semi-pros and has been adjusted. GSL also have dismissed couple maps and has been very careful about picking from the new Gisado map pool.
I've seen and tested the GSL maps. Quite terrible imo and I give a lot more respect to blizzards mapmaking then the custom makers while this is only my opinion I think it's shared by many others.
Custom makers use all kinds of things like rocks to block xel naga, expands with high gas / no gas and other features that is very premature.
Brood war had those things added when the game was pretty much figured out and to start using gimmicks for maps now is so bad.
So what if they test the map in Gisado Star challange? Blizzard is testing their maps on the test server so I don't see any issues?
Having maps being split across leagues and not being playable on the ladder is not a good thing, it's particularly wrong when blizzard is obviously eyeballing the map issue.
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Are these maps any BIGGER? Or is blizzard afraid to see the great games bigger maps will produce?
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On February 04 2011 23:44 Rareware wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2011 22:49 syllogism wrote:On February 04 2011 22:39 Integra wrote:On February 04 2011 22:35 FryKt wrote: All of you who are defending BLizzard with all your might, just why? Why do you do that? Blizzard should do all they can to get us to stay" keep playing the game, buy expansions etc, play ladder" They are NOT doing us a favor in adding new maps, you make this seem like they are giving us a gift or something. OF COUSE THEY SHOULD ADD NEW MAPS IN FUCKING 6 MONTHS WHEN EVERYONE HATES THEM. Why the fuck they haven't yet is a mystery.
Every one cries for bigger more sc1 maps, So why don't they fucking copy some from sc1, make them a little different, and keep some of the smaller ones we have now. So the noobies who don't like big maps can just vote them down, and vice versa. They try to balance everything over maps who the majority hates.
And now they try to make some new maps, but I mean they fail. The first one, okei lost temple fixed. Which actually are a map old as rock. But it's one of the best with xelnaga and Shakruas( but shakuras have those f'ing backdoors)
And when they make new maps, they put in all kind of shit, like rocks on every fucking expansion, grass everywhere so you don't see shit, but that's okei becouse there are 43572942 Xelnaga towers showing you when the opponents scv's are taking a shitbreak.
TL.DR:
Blizzard are not doing us a favor, they are slow and try too much new. Start making maps which are more standard, THEN make all the rocks, grass and all that crap. So freaking good that it needs to be quoted. It's actually a pretty bad post. Embodies the typical entitlement that is so prevalent these days. I agree I don't see why people feel that raging on Internet forums will go anywhere. Wouldn't Blizzard be more open to listening if people made posts that did not include a bunch of insults?
Nothing really seems to work, Blizzard just kinda marches to the beat of their own drum. It's pretty obvious for a long time we haven't been happy with the maps. Their stance was "that's like, your problem" meanwhile both the foreign community and GSL has been making some good maps for a long time, but the endeavor seems almost fruitless since they won't ever make it to ladder. and instead of acknowledge that they are like "okay here's some maps"
And the maps aren't completely awful like some that we've been playing since forever, but they still aren't as good as what the community puts out, which we still won't have a good environment to practice them in.
It's like they specifically try to keep us happy, but not too happy.
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