The discussion on the matter, which has involved parties from WME|IMG and Turner Broadcasting, stem from a contractual dispute between Luminosity Gaming and SK Gaming over the players that currently compete under the Luminosity banner. ESPN obtained email exchanges between the players and SK outlining a lengthy back-and-forth process between the parties since February, ultimately culminating in the players signing contracts with the SK Gaming organization, which go into effect July 1.
SK attempts to sign LG roster, dispute emerge
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amazingxkcd
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Ragnarork
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amazingxkcd
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HugoBallzak
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Also the wesa involvement seems to suggest that esl/wesa have alot to gain from having one of their weakest team rosters suddenly one of the best in the world. Basically trying to make power plays to get the most popular players in all their teams before they start collectively strong-arming the scene. Also, also, it does seem kind of shitty if these wesa guys actively helped 'poach' the lg roster behind lg management's back when wesa is supposedly is about transparency between teams and helping roster changes go smoothly. I don't think it matters of LG is a wesa org or not because wesa should have more to gain by setting a proper example of what they hope to accomplish...unless of course exclusive rights to the member org teams for esl events is the end goal...then it makes sense what I said above that they have a shit ton to gain from sk going from zeros to heroes. Also, also, also, seems shitty on the part of SK if they courted the lg roster without explaining their planned involvement in something such as wesa. I could see how maybe they'd want to sign LG and then make a guy like fallen the player rep for all wesa teams because hes such a great and likeable guy, basically buying his loyalty for good PR. Also, also, also, also, if SK had all this money then why haven't they signed a good team yet? Is esl/wesa providing them the financial backing to make such a power play suddenly possible? SK isn't really known to be a well-run org. | ||
Clonester
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In the emails, SK Gaming managing director Alex Müller said the players could choose where to live to practice, offered $9,000 in monthly allowances for the team house and flights to Brazil to see family, and even brought the letters of intent to a group of German and British law offices. Not the worst contract ever and most likely far more then they earn from LG at the moment. (And they are bound by a 2 years contract to LG) After reading the complete thing, hard to judge who did more wrong. LG-players look like they wanted to secure a better contract before the major and after they won it they do not want to know anything about it. SK approached under contract players (LG contact runs till end 2017!) and "manipulated" them. | ||
amazingxkcd
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HugoBallzak
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Clonester
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On May 28 2016 08:58 HugoBallzak wrote: Each LG player just made their future sk salaries twice over by winning the major and esl pro league. I am sure that suddenly those sk contracts don't look so great to them when it seems like LG has been really supportive despite lower pay in helping them to achieve greatness. Maybe, but then it is also their own fault that they signed the contracts. Now they sit there with 2 signed contracts. Yeah, SKs move isnt the moral move at all, but LGs players are to blame for their own situation as much. They looked for a new contract before the major and SK offerend em one and they signed it. And the contract of SK offers much more support (free teamhouse of their chosen location, flights back to brazil whenever they want. | ||
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Clonester
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On May 28 2016 09:02 amazingxkcd wrote: I would love to get statements from SK to corroborate the paper trails/conversations or at least balance out the LG statements SK is prepairing for the law fighting. I dont think they will give out any statemens other then typical PR "we are working on it" | ||
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HugoBallzak
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On May 28 2016 09:01 Clonester wrote: Maybe, but then it is also their own fault that they signed the contracts. Now they sit there with 2 signed contracts. Yeah, SKs move isnt the moral move at all, but LGs players are to blame for their own situation as much. They looked for a new contract before the major and SK offerend em one and they signed it. And the contract of SK offers much more support (free teamhouse of their chosen location, flights back to brazil whenever they want. LG players are definitely to blame I don't think that is a question. Only people I really feel bad for is the current sk roster because they probably didn't even know what was going on (yay for wesa) | ||
chrisolo
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On May 28 2016 08:56 amazingxkcd wrote: the one thing i will say im confident is i believe that fallen's statement about being pressured is bullshit. There's no way that roster full of headstrong players would be childish & low energy enough to be pressured by a non-tier 1 org into signing. Just because the current lineup of SK is not as good in CSGO, does not mean that SK is a low-tier organization. In fact, I think it is the biggest and most-prestigious organization in Europe concerning Counter-Strike history. I do not know if and how many american organizations have such a financial stability and history. But calling SK a "non-tier 1 org" is definitly ridiculous. | ||
Rebs
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On May 28 2016 20:31 chrisolo wrote: Just because the current lineup of SK is not as good in CSGO, does not mean that SK is a low-tier organization. In fact, I think it is the biggest and most-prestigious organization in Europe concerning Counter-Strike history. I do not know if and how many american organizations have such a financial stability and history. But calling SK a "non-tier 1 org" is definitly ridiculous. Yeah the team isnt tier 1 but SK is THE brand when it came to CS and has been around uninterrupted in the game longer than anyone. | ||
deth2munkies
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Not to mention the fact it's a really shitty move by SK regardless. The inbred European/ESL scene that WESA is exemplifying is also complicating matters due to how many conflicts of interest are involved with all parties. | ||
HugoBallzak
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Which is to say: I think the players would have been fine if they signed the sk contracts and moved orgs, but trying to get out of the contracts they signed with sk seems to me like a really risky thing to do. | ||
BlackCompany
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I'm not a LG fan but it would be a shame to see them get in trouble because Fallen & crew hastily signed contracts. | ||
Clonester
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On May 29 2016 07:19 BlackCompany wrote: The problem is see is that SK is probably not going to get anything good out of this. Assuming SK is right and LG players have legally binding contracts from July: Whats SKs goal for a lawsuit? Force the players to play for you, i dont see that working out. Get money from LG org/players to terminate the contract? More likely. I'm not a LG fan but it would be a shame to see them get in trouble because Fallen & crew hastily signed contracts. The contracts are more worth then one million dollar. SK either wants the player to play for SK or get a lot of money in the law fight. And as these contracts are worth alot, the "buyout" for the LG players to get this out of the world will be high. | ||
HugoBallzak
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BlackCompany
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I doubt this will end soon unless one party takes the blame/ both agree on a sum without court. | ||
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