I'm looking forward to see Liquid play again, but If they want to go to the semis, they need to step up their game. I don't see how they are going to win vs either IMT or C9 twice.
On April 29 2017 07:58 Hider wrote: Liquid CS:GO: The team everyone thinks has star-players but in reality has mostly mediocre players that have performed for 95% of their career.
It's insane how big of an impact poor analysis and narratives have on people judging players and teams.
Or maybe because you don't like those narratives/analysis you like to paint them as false. Qualifying EliGE as a mediocre players is blatantly stupid. Not letting Twistzz carve his place on the roster despite all the promises he's showing is another. stan has also transformed OpTic (notably their T side) in a team capable of rivaling with the best. It's alright to be disappointed with jdm though.
I actually think that the very misleading narratives/analysis are those that present the players but don't talk about how a team needs the right combination of players and roles, or it doesn't necessarily work well. Exhibit A: FaZe pre-karrigan.
Qualifying EliGE as a mediocre players is blatantly stupid.
I said "mostly mediocore players". Elige is the exception. Offline he has usually performed.
Not letting Twistzz carve his place on the roster despite all the promises he's showing is another.
He was good against NA tier 2 opponents. Mediocre at an international level. Could be good in the future since he is still young, however people tend to overrate players who had good performances against NA opponents while not understanding that they are playing shit teams.
The average level of Liquid is definitely mediocore on paper. Around #15-20 in the world. Yet people seems to think that on paper they should be a top 10 team.
Find me one player on the team (excl Elige) that over a large sample size has performed well against good opponents (specifiy time period). You can look at the last 2-3 years if you would like.
On the contrary, I argue Auti, Stewie and even Skadoodle have done well against top 25 teams in the world for the past 6 months.
Also Ragnaros, let's revisit some of your previous statements.
This is an absolutely ridiculous statement. Check jdm's performance (i.e. "data") during that time, instead of basing yourself on the "narrative" that he's been bad.
Ah yes JDM averaged +0.02 for his 6 months at CLG and averaged roughly +0.00 at lans. What an amazing star player - especally since he was facing NA opponents in the majority of the matches + remember that he is a passive AWPer with low entry frag percentage --> Not getting better stats is actually really bad. You never actually checked at his stats right? You only accepted the incorrect narrative.
Also, I get you like Jugi, but you should really check which opponents he's facing, because getting a good KPR vs scrubs is absolutely not a measure of performance.
And yet praising Twistzz for playing worse against NA tier 2 teams than Jugi did at Tricked. Are you unaware of how bad the NA tier 2 scene is? Didn't you see what happened when the 6th ranked NA ESL PL team went to an EU tier 3 lan?
t doesn't become "total shit". And read again, I'm still and always has been saying Jugi is an interesting prospect. But that's not automatic. He hasn't proven he can hold his own at that level. Remember koosta? Yeah, he was on fire against tier 2 as well. Well, we know how it turned out.
Yep it's clear you seem unaware of the skill discrepancy between NA tier 2/3 and EU tier 3. Tricked was - on average - meeting much better opponents than Koosta ever was + Jugi had much better numbers than Koosta ever had over a larger sample size.
As I said, it's a nice prospect, but he's not nearly close to facing top teams and for now he's part of the danish subtop. A promising AWPer from the danish subtop, but that's it for n
And he went from + 0.24 KPR-DPR to +0.1 since joining Heroic - and while I admittely thought he would do a bit better, he is still playing much better than JDM ever did. Jugi right now is somewhat comparable to Skadoodle - though better at getting entryfrags. Alternatively Liquid could have acquired Draken who is a much more aggressive AWPer and always was a superstar at the EU tier 3 scene while easily transitioning into tier 1-2.
You see there wasn't this huge gap between EU tier 3 and EU tier 1-2. Yet you seemed convinced where the best eu AWPer in ther 3 scene would fall completely apart while playing against better teams - despite the fact that there are countless examples of the opposite being the truth.
We already talked about that but heh, pick it out of context as you wish.
And seriously, I'm not "praising" Twistzz right now, I'm just saying that the team is right after player change, that it was a step up for him and that not every player makes the change that fast (e.g. bodyy when he got into G2). Just like I wasn't praising JUGI as a top tier star player because he was unproven against top competition and that once again not all prospects take the step successfully.
I'll leave it to you, I probably overrate the NA tier 2/3 compared to what it should be (which is terrible).
Now that doesn't mean there isn't a step up. And context truly matters. We're talking individuals but that's a team game and I do think it's easier to thrive when you have the skill and the talent in EU compared to NA because there are IGLs in the EU. While NA has to either fight for the scraps or try to create some (and that's a daunting task). And I think it's easier to perform in an environment where the leader actually knows his shit.