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Since the subject is about both (Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3), I didn´t know where exactly to post it.
But anyway, I was thinking about it when I woke up this morning. Many friends of mine will stop playing StarCraft 2 on Diablo 3 release. I want to know what the community thinks about this fact.
Will too many people quit playing SC2? Will it increase the gap between koreans and foreigners too much?
Edit: Poll suggested by Reasonable
Poll: Will you keep playing SC2 after D3 release?No! (184) 37% I´ll play both! (173) 35% Yes! (126) 26% I won´t play any of them! (8) 2% 491 total votes Your vote: Will you keep playing SC2 after D3 release? (Vote): Yes! (Vote): No! (Vote): I´ll play both! (Vote): I won´t play any of them!
User was warned for posting a low content OP. Leaving thread open for discussion.
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I dont think it will affect the progaming scene to much. The people that play the game on a pro level wont be distracted by diablo.
And the rest does not matter i guess. I for myself will still continue playing sc2 but much less frequent.
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The release of D3 will not have any short term effects on competitive SC2, probably not long term either.
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Will it affect pro-gaming? I sincerely doubt it. The casual SC2 player might spend more time with D3 when it releases, though. But that won't affect the "scene", as it were.
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I think you have to break up the effects between the esports scene and the overall Blizzard gaming public. The esports scene will barely be impacted, if at all.
It remains to be seen if this will have long-term impacts about getting new blood into the pro scene, but that would be a concern even without Diablo III in the picture and there's still HotS coming.
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I doubt it. Diablo is mostly a single player/coop game for the masses, and then you have the core audience that play pvp etc. The only time when it can takeaway from the sc2 scene is when you start seeing it on big tourneys like mlg etc, and that doesnt seem like it might happen.
Whereas the people who play sc2, yes there will be a temporary drop, till they finish the game a few times. The people who drift from one game to another have probably already drifted away after two years, and the ones that remain are the ones that just like the game a lot.
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Seriously doubt it, casual yeah maybe.. don't think it will the community at all
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I'll stop playing sc2 for sometime when d3 is realised, but i`ll still watch gsl/gstl
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ofc it will influence the practise routine for some days or weeks of lots of players, but it wont rly affect it, no
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Lol, are you serious? You think some random game, even one like D3 that's gonna be fun, will 'diminish the foreign scene'?
This topic is a little embarrassing. Although it would be hilarious to see all the top level SC2 foreigners quit to play D3, cementing korean domination for all time. ^^
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On April 03 2012 22:10 bonifaceviii wrote: I think you have to break up the effects between the esports scene and the overall Blizzard gaming public. The esports scene will barely be impacted, if at all.
It remains to be seen if this will have long-term impacts about getting new blood into the pro scene, but that would be a concern even without Diablo III in the picture and there's still HotS coming.
I totally skipped the fact that HotS is coming. Now thinking better about it, if there is gonna be a huge amount of people stopping to play SC2, a lot of those persons may come back on HotS.
I've being concerned about SC2 foreign scene lately since people are doing so bad in GSL and thinking in how long will it take until koreans dominate the whole scene like in BW.
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On April 03 2012 22:58 ThaZenith wrote: Lol, are you serious? You think some random game, even one like D3 that's gonna be fun, will 'diminish the foreign scene'?
This topic is a little embarrassing. Although it would be hilarious to see all the top level SC2 foreigners quit to play D3, cementing korean domination for all time. ^^
To be fair i think he was referring to the fan base. Not the pro-gamers.
I think an argument can be made that some people will play sc2 less and might therefore be less interested in watching the pro-scene.
But I think for the most part, casual players will get distracted but that always the case when big games come around.
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Personally speaking, my laddering will diminish quite alot for the first few months (or longer) post-D3 launch.
But (and I think this will remain true for a lot of people in the SC2 community who have an interest in Diablo), my viewing of SC2 pro streams & tournaments will continue at near full capacity.
Considering this, that SC2 is largely about watching rather than playing for a lot people, the SC2 pro scene will not be affected by a decline in views because people won't want to stop their viewing experience. Esports won't suffer less revenue, and if they do, it would be negligible.
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D3 will make the ladder much more barren. I assume the lower the rank, the more barren it's going to get. This will make it harder to reach higher ranks, as the average skill level is going to shoot up practically overnight. Next reset after D3, I assume a lot of people are going to get demoted.
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I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of marginal foreign "pros" (people no one knows about and are either on small teams or aren't on teams at all) end up playing WAY too much D3. I think it will hardly affect all the big names, though.
As far as viewership, it is hard to say. I would expect a small dip in average views for any events that would be in the first week or 2 of D3's release.
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On April 03 2012 21:46 PIJAMA wrote: Since the subject is about both (Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3), I didn´t know where exactly to post it.
But anyway, I was thinking about it when I woke up this morning. Many friends of mine will stop playing StarCraft 2 on Diablo 3 release. I want to know what the community thinks about this fact.
Will too many people quit playing SC2? Will it increase the gap between koreans and foreigners too much?
I will quit playing SC2 for sure, that game is for people smart or who played RTS games for so long and i am not that type of person, plus it makes me rage a lot so Diablo 3 will be more relaxing for me.
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As far as the progaming scene goes, the effect will be negligible, don't worry 'bout that. As far as the general community goes... then yes, a large portion will go D3 instead. (Me included)
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I agree with the sentiment that the pro scene will be unaffected. The casual scene, on the other hand... I'm the only one out of my SC2 friends who won't bother getting D3. The rest of them will get it and will undoubtedly play it until the boredom kicks in. Blizzard will need to make something special in HotS to bring them back, because AFAIC, they won't come back to SC2 unless their D3 experience is found wanting.
I think I need to find some SC2 friends who don't give a shit about Diablo, or things will be pretty lonely come May 15th.
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On April 03 2012 23:06 PIJAMA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 22:10 bonifaceviii wrote: I think you have to break up the effects between the esports scene and the overall Blizzard gaming public. The esports scene will barely be impacted, if at all.
It remains to be seen if this will have long-term impacts about getting new blood into the pro scene, but that would be a concern even without Diablo III in the picture and there's still HotS coming. I totally skipped the fact that HotS is coming. Now thinking better about it, if there is gonna be a huge amount of people stopping to play SC2, a lot of those persons may come back on HotS. I've being concerned about SC2 foreign scene lately since people are doing so bad in GSL and thinking in how long will it take until koreans dominate the whole scene like in BW. A question for you: Do you see any professional SC2 player quitting SC2 for a casual game like Diablo 3? I'm pretty sure that you can find a good answer on that one, thus also answering your own question.
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On April 03 2012 23:07 Dac wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 22:58 ThaZenith wrote: Lol, are you serious? You think some random game, even one like D3 that's gonna be fun, will 'diminish the foreign scene'?
This topic is a little embarrassing. Although it would be hilarious to see all the top level SC2 foreigners quit to play D3, cementing korean domination for all time. ^^ To be fair i think he was referring to the fan base. Not the pro-gamers. I think an argument can be made that some people will play sc2 less and might therefore be less interested in watching the pro-scene. But I think for the most part, casual players will get distracted but that always the case when big games come around.
Actually it was something like this I was thinking about. Like how it would affect the 'future foreign progamers production' since in my opinion both Diablo and Starcraft fans and even the games have a couple more things in common then SC and some other random game.
Maybe D3 can bring even more people to SC2, since they can acknowledge SC2 through D3, I don´t know. As it was said before both games have a different focus. D3 is more single player and SC2 is more competition.
I am so anxious about D3 release, but I cannot leave the game I love the most behind.
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Two completely different genres and different scenes. It's what WoW did to the WC3 pro scene. Not much. Because they're totally different. One's a more grindy and casual game (d3) while the other is competitively driven (sc2). If at all there's any change, it'll be that the lower tier "pro" gamers will quit due to no results and switch to a more casual game.
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Initially, probably yes.
But then heart of the swarm will be released and sc2 will have a new breath of life.
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The only possible impact I can imagine is:
Less casual/moderate players in SC2. This couldhave an impact on the pro scene if it translates to less people following the pro scene and watching events. Less spectators means less sponsors which in turn leads to less events and a smaller pro scene. Diablo is killing esports!
That's all hypothetical. Myself, I will play less SC2, and as a result probably watch less. At least for the few months immediately following release.
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Do you feel Mists of Pandaria will diminish the Sc2 foreign scene?
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On April 04 2012 01:30 imPermanenCe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 23:06 PIJAMA wrote:On April 03 2012 22:10 bonifaceviii wrote: I think you have to break up the effects between the esports scene and the overall Blizzard gaming public. The esports scene will barely be impacted, if at all.
It remains to be seen if this will have long-term impacts about getting new blood into the pro scene, but that would be a concern even without Diablo III in the picture and there's still HotS coming. I totally skipped the fact that HotS is coming. Now thinking better about it, if there is gonna be a huge amount of people stopping to play SC2, a lot of those persons may come back on HotS. I've being concerned about SC2 foreign scene lately since people are doing so bad in GSL and thinking in how long will it take until koreans dominate the whole scene like in BW. A question for you: Do you see any professional SC2 player quitting SC2 for a casual game like Diablo 3? I'm pretty sure that you can find a good answer on that one, thus also answering your own question.
Since D3 will have that market thing, maybe some not so successful SC2 pros can find more profitable to play D3. And you must consider that most SC2 pros we have now won't play the game forever for any reason and another pros will come in their places. I really have no idea in how to meansure the growth of D3 since it's not released yet. But I want to know your opinion, if there's a some chance of things turn out not so good for SC2, how it will affect the quality and investment of the pros and tourneys in the future. Some people already said in this post that will leave SC2 for a while...
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Nothing can interfere with my SC2 playing time. I'll just drop out of school and become a prostitute and use all my other free time on Diablo 3.
In seriousness, nothing's gonna happen. Did the Command & Conquer series and Age of Empires kill Brood War? Ofc not.
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yes it will, mostly casual players ofc. sc2 is allready dying and with no hots in the next 2 month more players will stop playing because sc2 has no depth at all and is allready figured out 1 years after release, im sorry when the caster always talk about that everyone is still a noob....no....there is just nothing to explore anymore.
i see it in my clan with 13 years of history, wc3 was played since the release until sc2 came out, then everyone switched and now after 1 years there are ~3 players left who play sc2. thats just pretty telling at least for me. i actually stoped 2 month ago and only watch the big tournaments.
proscene will stay like it is but without foundation there is no future for sc2.
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Did Mass Effect 3, COD, BF3, Skyrim, or Deus Ex diminish the foreign scene?
People can play more than one game you know.
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I don't think you understand what it means to be a pro-player.
StarCraft 2 is the job of many great players. Quitting their "job" for playing D3 casually makes no sense. Diablo 3 is not an e-sports and even if it will be, it cannot top League of Legends or Defense of the Ancients. Furthermore, Diablo 3 is nothing like StarCraft 2. Why would you be so concerned about Diablo 3? I'd be more concerned about Guild Wars 2, DotA 2 and Halo 4.
note: Guild Wars 2 will be a large e-sport, starting in Germany, IEM.
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It will have an effect on the amount of players that will play ladder games in sc2. In the first month of release or so, but it won't affect people that get payed to play sc2.
I know many pros wait for D3, including Nerchio, Darkforce and Seiplo, since they have talked about it in different D3 related forums, but I don't see them playing more D3 then sc2. Sc2 is what brings them revenues, I doubt that the RMAH from D3 would bring them more.
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SC2 is diminishing itself.
The world is different now.
When BW and WC3 were dominant, how many other BIG online games were there? Other than some FPS, no other relevant games in other genres.
Today there are hundreds of games on Steam, and many free-to-play multiplayer games. Blizzard no longer has a monopoly with BNET.
Blizzard missed the boat with the execution of SC2, and probably didn't truly understand how different the market landscape is today.
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While they are two very different genres they are all blizzard games and generally if you played sc then youve played warcraft and diablo at one point. Yet in terms of diablo replacing starcraft as an esport it's possible considering the arena mode, but unlikely I believe due to the fact that starcraft sort of has the market on competitive strategy, other people mentioned sc having to compete with other online communities, this is true, but there is no current rival traditional rts's(I would consider lol and dota a different genre entirely) with the exception of bw and we are of course watching bw fading out right now and being replaced by it's direct successor.
D3 is more likely to pose a threat to the sheer amount of people who play sc2(which isnt too much anyways but is considerable) rather than to actual event sponsorship and attendance. Also while it is true blizzard no longer holds the absolute monopoly it once possessed we really have to keep in mind that this is still fucking blizzard, considered one of the greatest if not the greatest studio that ever had the pleasure of sucking away years of our lives. The brand carries power, and it's not everyday that they release a completely new(only the core philosophy of D3 is dated) non expansion product.
It will definitely hit big, will it hurt sc2 sails? Unlikely considering sc2 has already sold it's bulk and was never a consistent cash cow like wow and the expansions hots and lotv will be released long after D3 and will thereby prevent blizzard from having to force their products to compete. Will it hurt the scene as a whole? Well I just don't see D3 being as competitive as sc2(though still an incredible game in it's right it shall be) and just because people will play D3 doesn't mean they'll stop watching sc2, in my opinion people will only really stop watching sc2 when a much much better rts comes out.
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well, for sure I will play less SC2 when Diablo 3 is out, even when HotS will be released but I don't think it will affect the pro scene.
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It will only affect non-pro gamers. I'm definitely quitting SC2 for at least 3 months, maybe till the end of foreseeable future. When D2 was released I quit playing Starcraft till this day.
Since you, OP, have been warned for low Q post, I suggest you insert a poll asking general audience about their plans regarding SC2 upon D3 release.
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I was gonna ask OP this, but could either OP or one of the mods add a yes-or-no poll to this question? I want to know how the community in general feels about this because based on this thread alone it's somewhere in the middle.
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D3 I think will take a lot more from SC2 but than again with HotS coming out you never know. Probably people will bounce around. Not like it even matters. Blizzard still making there money.
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I'll continue playing both, they're completely different gaming experiences.
Unless the 4v4 arena is somehow like BC or mid WotLK WoW-arena, SC2 and LoL will continue to be my competitive games of choice.
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D3 comes out so that people that are bored playing WoL and Cataclysm have something to keep themselves busy for a while (or more, for the hardcore fans).. And then, poof, expansions for both WoW and Sc2 are released and every customer is happy again and of course loyal to Blizzard, as always.
Also, progamers (not pro-streamers) won't stop training hard in Sc2 because it's their job after all.
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On April 04 2012 02:04 PIJAMA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 01:30 imPermanenCe wrote:On April 03 2012 23:06 PIJAMA wrote:On April 03 2012 22:10 bonifaceviii wrote: I think you have to break up the effects between the esports scene and the overall Blizzard gaming public. The esports scene will barely be impacted, if at all.
It remains to be seen if this will have long-term impacts about getting new blood into the pro scene, but that would be a concern even without Diablo III in the picture and there's still HotS coming. I totally skipped the fact that HotS is coming. Now thinking better about it, if there is gonna be a huge amount of people stopping to play SC2, a lot of those persons may come back on HotS. I've being concerned about SC2 foreign scene lately since people are doing so bad in GSL and thinking in how long will it take until koreans dominate the whole scene like in BW. A question for you: Do you see any professional SC2 player quitting SC2 for a casual game like Diablo 3? I'm pretty sure that you can find a good answer on that one, thus also answering your own question. Since D3 will have that market thing, maybe some not so successful SC2 pros can find more profitable to play D3. And you must consider that most SC2 pros we have now won't play the game forever for any reason and another pros will come in their places. I really have no idea in how to meansure the growth of D3 since it's not released yet. But I want to know your opinion, if there's a some chance of things turn out not so good for SC2, how it will affect the quality and investment of the pros and tourneys in the future. Some people already said in this post that will leave SC2 for a while... I highly doubt D3 AH profits > SC2 prize money. And Diablo 3 (sorry if I hurt someone) doesn't require much skills at all (compared to SC2), it's more about farming/having luck. So anyone who's played SC2 at a pro level won't find D3 satisfying enough to replace SC2. I don't see Diablo 3 having any professional scene at all. EVEN IF PvP would get into an e-sport, the gameplay is so different. SC2 pros would rather switch to something like Dota 2 then.
As for pros not playing the game forever. D3 is a totally different game and a lot less competative, so D3 won't have any impact on SC2 IMO.
This is all speaking about the pro scene ofcourse. For all the non-pros it's an entirely different story.
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Worst case scenario will probably be; sc2 stream viewer count goes up, active player count goes down. That doesn't hurt esport at all.
From starcraft 2 point of view,
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Guys i think you are missing the feedback system. yes directly doesnt affect pros, but the casual player base is what the pro scene RELIES on. any decrease in casual scene will affect pro scene, no doubt about it. That is why SC2 mappers and blizz too needs to stay on toes to constantly make the game better and more suitabble for casuals to promote esports
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Sorry for the low content OP. I was at work when I did it so I needed to be RIDICULOUSLY FAST if you know what I mean. Right now I need to go to college so I must be like 1000 APM fast again. lol
I promise to make more explanations next time and already made a poll as Reasonable suggested (brilliant idea, thank you very much).
I found very interesting what storkfan said in the last post. The question is not how many pros will stop playing SC2, but how many fans will they lose. D3 won´t destroy SC2 like KESPA almost did to BW, but D3 is a very atractive game for foreigners. So it may change the focus on SC2 and pros may lose a portion of their fanbase.
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it wont affect esports, but it will affect the ladder. i barely play sc2 anymore, i just dont find the game fun, with the way blizzard approached it. although to me, sc2 is still the esport to watch.
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In my humble opinion, I see a lot of Diablo 3 players tiring of the game fairly quickly (a year to a year and a half) StarCraft 2 (and expansions to renew vigor) will remain a complicated strategy game for the next decade, while Diablo 3 becomes another role playing game with a cult following. I can still see it being a huge success, at launch, as most of WoW's community will have something they won't have to pay to play + new content. Diablo 3 will take more from WoW than SC2. If SC2's population dropped, it wouldn't be permanent, even if HOTS wasn't announced yet.
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i will always WATCH starcraft and support esports, but I will play diablo 3 for a lot longer.
Think about it though, when HOTS is released LOTS of people will switch back. D3 will make the amount of softcore players drop for a good amount of time. The hardcore D3 will play D3 ALOT and the hardcore sc2 will stick with sc2.
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Wheres the "will play D3 for a month or two and then the vast majority of people will come back" Because thats whats going to happen.
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The ladder will just get a lot harder for a while because all the casuals/non-dedicated players will play D3, and only the more dedicated players will remain. Once they get bored, they may switch back to SC2.
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On April 04 2012 09:04 Netsky wrote: The ladder will just get a lot harder for a while because all the casuals/non-dedicated players will play D3, and only the more dedicated players will remain. Once they get bored, they may switch back to SC2. So I'm confused... is Starcraft the only video game that exists??? Does this mean that once diablo 3 comes out, the playerbase will be cut in half??? holy fucking bricks shat batman in space!
Actually I think all you guys need to realize, that Diablo 3 will have almost no noticable impact on ladder, other diablo portraits, silly character names, and poorly made references... All this really comes down to, is whether or not a player WANTS to play on the ladder. If they want to play on the ladder or participate in other ways, they will... If they don't WANT to do those things, they could find any other number of games to play: i.e. Skyrim, Battlefield 3, Mass Effect 3, Star Wars the old Republic, World of Warcraft etc.etc. and on and on... or maybe they own a console... holy fuck can you imagine? (i don't but no one cares about me)...
I guess what I'm trying to say is, do you think Diablo 3 is hyped enough (and by enough, i mean more than BF3, codmw3, tes:skyrim, SWtoR, etc etc) in order to effect the player base MORE than those games did (because I didn't notice much change with those... did you?)
I'm not convinced... Diablo 3, as a PvE scene hasn't generated enough Hype to draw significantly more players from the starcraft establishment than any of the other major titles of the last 6 months.
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Don't think it will have any effect on the E-sports scene, it's not a new e-sport, pros won't quit, and people who watch sc2 tournaments aren't just going to quit watching just because they quit playing.
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I think i will still play sc2 some! Both games are amazing and I'm so glad to be alive in a time with such amazing games all around me! =D
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ppl like catz who are lazy and pretty much play any other game that comes out will definetly fall out and probably quit sc2. Remember when he was blaming koreans playing in tournies hosted in america aka, MLG? and how he said they need to create an even playing field amongst americans because koreans are tooo good. Rofl its because catz don't practice as hard as koreans and always play dota 2 and other games. Im 100% sure he'll be like "ok guys d3 for 1 month" lol.... he doesn't really have mindset, dicipline to become a pro in sc2. He will just be like minigun/destiny level etc.
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I don't think d3 would be competitive, it would be a grindfest like wow, but with real money involved lol Prob would bring more casuals into sc2 and maybe TL (:
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I don't really play SC2 anymore anyway so... I guess not.
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Well with Diablo 3 and Dota 2 casual SC2 scene will die or be much smaller then it is today. Hardcore and pro scene will stay the same.
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I pretty much dont play sc2 at all anymore, but still watch a considerable amount of matches.
When D3 comes out, im gonna play the shit outta that game. But i'll still keep an eye on the sc2 scene and probly still watch the major events/finals. Until Hots comes out and steals my attention back.
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On April 04 2012 11:38 XerrolAvengerII wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 09:04 Netsky wrote: The ladder will just get a lot harder for a while because all the casuals/non-dedicated players will play D3, and only the more dedicated players will remain. Once they get bored, they may switch back to SC2. So I'm confused... is Starcraft the only video game that exists??? Does this mean that once diablo 3 comes out, the playerbase will be cut in half??? holy fucking bricks shat batman in space! Actually I think all you guys need to realize, that Diablo 3 will have almost no noticable impact on ladder, other diablo portraits, silly character names, and poorly made references... All this really comes down to, is whether or not a player WANTS to play on the ladder. If they want to play on the ladder or participate in other ways, they will... If they don't WANT to do those things, they could find any other number of games to play: i.e. Skyrim, Battlefield 3, Mass Effect 3, Star Wars the old Republic, World of Warcraft etc.etc. and on and on... or maybe they own a console... holy fuck can you imagine? (i don't but no one cares about me)... I guess what I'm trying to say is, do you think Diablo 3 is hyped enough (and by enough, i mean more than BF3, codmw3, tes:skyrim, SWtoR, etc etc) in order to effect the player base MORE than those games did (because I didn't notice much change with those... did you?) I'm not convinced... Diablo 3, as a PvE scene hasn't generated enough Hype to draw significantly more players from the starcraft establishment than any of the other major titles of the last 6 months.
I think D3 is hyped enough since it's being waited for more than a decade already (just like SC2) and the release drama is just like SC2's too. It was one of the main motivations to make this thread...
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I will play more, and watch less streams. This way i can keep balance between SC2 and D3
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I actually do think some SC2 pros might quit the game for D3, but most will keep playing. Im personally even a bit afraid of trying it and getting too sucked into it^^
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I've been on and off with SC2 all the time... I guess Diablo3 is going to be an off-SC2 time, but I'll probably come back to at some later point in time.
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I dont even plan to buy it. I would rather be really good at one game than be lousy at a bunch of games.
I played D2 back in the day but that was a long time ago. MMORPGs are such an epic time waster IMO.
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On April 04 2012 21:26 DarKFoRcE wrote: I actually do think some SC2 pros might quit the game for D3, but most will keep playing. Im personally even a bit afraid of trying it and getting too sucked into it^^ Do you think D3 can give you good competition and keep you hooked. And do you think you'll earn more money at D3 than SC2? Do you really see yourself playing D3 like you're playing SC2. I am unable to compare those 2 games at a pro-level :<
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On April 04 2012 22:56 imPermanenCe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 21:26 DarKFoRcE wrote: I actually do think some SC2 pros might quit the game for D3, but most will keep playing. Im personally even a bit afraid of trying it and getting too sucked into it^^ Do you think D3 can give you good competition and keep you hooked. And do you think you'll earn more money at D3 than SC2? Do you really see yourself playing D3 like you're playing SC2. I am unable to compare those 2 games at a pro-level :< To be fair, he seemed to have been implying that Diablo 3 may eat into his SC2 time, as did OP. Hence why we are having this discussion
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Lot of nos coming out for the poll. Maybe if they all leave I can get promoted faster :D
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No man, it definatly wont. You might see a few number of people playing starcraft 2 casually try out diablo 3 and play it for awhile, but even then people will go back and forth. It will have no effect on the pro scene, at all. ever.
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On April 05 2012 02:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Lot of nos coming out for the poll. Maybe if they all leave I can get promoted faster :D Or you'll be promoted slower because the less interested people (more casual so at lower leagues) will be the ones going to D3 leaving only the players above you so that you may even end up getting demoted.
:D
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There needs to be an I wont play Diablo 3 option.
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On April 05 2012 02:56 Tump wrote: There needs to be an I wont play Diablo 3 option.
Oh you are right! This is kind of embarassing... but I don´t know how to edit a poll...
Edit: Isn't it applied in the in the 'Yes!' option?
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I know i won't play sc2 for a while after d3 launches but I may come back to it every once in a while. Though I know I will keep watching gsl.
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I'm boycotting D3,and sc2 is pretty much the only game i need.
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Well, I have preorderd it, but as I know myself I will keep playing SC2, because eSports is my passion.
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On April 05 2012 02:50 slam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 02:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Lot of nos coming out for the poll. Maybe if they all leave I can get promoted faster :D Or you'll be promoted slower because the less interested people (more casual so at lower leagues) will be the ones going to D3 leaving only the players above you so that you may even end up getting demoted. :D
Well, I'm banking on the fact that I'm low enough so that people in the leagues above me are still casual (you can have plat leaguers leaving for D3? Right?...right?)
And that people coming in have no idea wtf they're doing because they just picked this game up thinking it's farmville with void rays, and thus have no idea what D3 is either.
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the only people who will quit are lower leagues and skillcapped masters, so no d3 won't hurt the sc2 community, might even help it by narrowing the field to people with greater potential allowing them to be noticed more easily etc
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On April 05 2012 04:23 Dbla08 wrote: the only people who will quit are lower leagues and skillcapped masters
That are like 99.5% of all foreign sc2 players lol!
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SC2 being relatively bland at this point is what will/has caused the scene to diminish. I've played like 10 solo games total and maybe 20 team games.
I'd honestly rather play WC3... I like heroes since I'm just a casual player for RTS games (even if they make or break a game) and at least it has a usable custom games interface (which is why I played BW and WC3 for years... I WONDER what could've kept me playing SC2)
SC2 will get smaller until HoTS releases, get a small boost (not as large as WoL), fall back again (faster this time) and do the same for VoL and then die out 2-3 years after that at best (besides a few hardcore players). It's a normal life span for a game.
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To play sc2 well you have to invest a TON of time into it or your skill drops off dramaticly.
To play d2 well you need to play casually and be smart about what you do.
huge flaw with sc2/rts games in general.
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I don't care about D3 and don't plan on buying it, so... Yes, I will keep playing SC2 x)
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It's more like uhh.. I'll play this shit once and then continue with Starcraft ! ^^
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I'm done with all other games when d3 is out. I just hope it will live up to his predecessor.
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I will play Diablo 3 but I will eventually get bore because it won't be competitive and item grinding gets old.
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Of my 20 or so buds that play sc2, ranging from gold to masters.
20 out of 20 plan to play d3 pretty heavily and let sc2 take a back seat. Sc2 will regain popularity when HotS beta comes out, or if D3 gets played out in a few weeks.
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Diablo 3 will definitely get my full attention at first but I will always play/watch Starcraft!
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D3 is a casual game with no pro competitive aspect, not saying you can't play it + Show Spoiler + but foreign progamers would have little to gain by switching unless they were previously intent on giving up SC2, so while myself, and I'm sure plenty others will be playing D3 for a bit, I don't intend to see a drop in progamers
edit: not hardcore enough
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hardly. A) I will be playin both. B) one is a competitive never ending rts. Other is a fun rpg that ill will be playing with friends that I will eventually get bored of. (can only do bale runs so many times amirite).
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ill play d3 through twice (soft and hard core) with minimal sc2 playing if any. ill then most likely go back to sc2 for a bit. then back to hardcore d3 until i inevitably die to a pker or extra strong lightening stygian dolls, and lose a ton of good items. ill probably attempt to level up a new char and get bored or die again about halfway through and go back to sc2 for awhile. This process will repeat itself a few times until i find the balance between the two games and play both intermittently. its the circle of life ive been there before with d2 and BW
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If one can make money from playing SC2 anyone who is viably good won't switch to D3 for a pro scene that doesn't exist. Don't even know why this is a question?
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On April 04 2012 01:33 PIJAMA wrote:
I am so anxious about D3 release, but I cannot leave the game I love the most behind.
Well then, that's your answer, don't. I took 1 week break from SC2 last month when ME3 came out to play through single player. I sometimes play a little ME3 multiplayer with friends. While D3 will probably take longer to 'finish', there's nothing stopping you going back to play a bit of SC2.
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On April 05 2012 12:12 ParkwayDrive wrote: ill play d3 through twice (soft and hard core) with minimal sc2 playing if any. ill then most likely go back to sc2 for a bit. then back to hardcore d3 until i inevitably die to a pker or extra strong lightening stygian dolls, and lose a ton of good items. ill probably attempt to level up a new char and get bored or die again about halfway through and go back to sc2 for awhile. This process will repeat itself a few times until i find the balance between the two games and play both intermittently. its the circle of life ive been there before with d2 and BW
No pk deaths in hardcore! YAY!
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On April 05 2012 13:02 carbonaceous wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 01:33 PIJAMA wrote:
I am so anxious about D3 release, but I cannot leave the game I love the most behind. Well then, that's your answer, don't. I took 1 week break from SC2 last month when ME3 came out to play through single player. I sometimes play a little ME3 multiplayer with friends. While D3 will probably take longer to 'finish', there's nothing stopping you going back to play a bit of SC2.
I'm also a kinda worry to leave SC2 when I first play D3 because I stopped playing BW immediately after playing SC2 for the first time (although I still watch bisu, flash and jaedong games). SC2 was just like a dream come true to me and still is. I used to play D2 and it was also VERY nice.
The poll must be inacurrate by now, but I feel a little disappointing to see so many guys willing to leave SC2 (despite I might do the same thing).
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Poll tricked me! I responded to the title question in poll rather than reading that actual poll question..
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i already stopped playing SC2... D3 wont help bring me back... but HOTS probably will.
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On April 04 2012 06:55 BlackGosu wrote: it wont affect esports, but it will affect the ladder. i barely play sc2 anymore, i just dont find the game fun, with the way blizzard approached it. although to me, sc2 is still the esport to watch.
This. ill be playing D3 and might give SC another go at hots. But so far im disappointed with how they approached overall mechanics and the balance issues in the different stages of a match.
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No! I will not continue to play Sc2 once D3 gets released. I will however still be playing Brood War.
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Where is the option for i will not be playing diablo 3
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On April 05 2012 16:23 Moochlol wrote: Where is the option for i will not be playing diablo 3
Perhaps you should not answer this poll if you will not play diablo 3? Let alone post in this thread.
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If high level/unknown SC2 players are smart then they would switch over to Diablo 3, while it doesn't have a competitive arena system(not at release) they will have access to the RMAH, I think most people could make more money playing Diablo 3 than Starcraft 2, doing math:
Starcraft 2 - Train 12 hours a day for practice, very little/no money in smaller tournaments, no sponser if you aren't known, really dependant on being lucky and taking a game off someone well known, having a good personality or creating a buzz around yourself with drama...so you could literally play Starcraft 2 for 12 hours a day every day and make 0, even if you're top 100 grand masters
Diablo 3 - Play the game 12 hours a day, if you understand the economic aspect of the game and play constantly then you WILL make something, even if you earn $3 an hour, that's $252 a week for doing something you like playing(and $3 an hour is a very low estimate if you're good at the game)
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Poll: Will you keep playing SC2 after D3 release?
No! (127) 38%
Shocking. Its been 2 years, i would have thought those still playing the game atleast had some sense of loyalty, or commitment/love for starcraft 2...
Are this many people really just blizzard fanboys that will jump ship the moment the next game releases? I knew some would, but 38% is a massive stretch, if we get anywhere near those numbers overnight it will have a massive impact on the game and the entire scene
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On April 05 2012 17:50 Cyro wrote:Shocking. Its been 2 years, i would have thought those still playing the game atleast had some sense of loyalty, or commitment/love for starcraft 2... Are this many people really just blizzard fanboys that will jump ship the moment the next game releases? I knew some would, but 38% is a massive stretch, if we get anywhere near those numbers overnight it will have a massive impact on the game and the entire scene
They are responding to title of thread instead of poll
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On April 05 2012 16:38 RunAwayCactuar wrote: If high level/unknown SC2 players are smart then they would switch over to Diablo 3, while it doesn't have a competitive arena system(not at release) they will have access to the RMAH, I think most people could make more money playing Diablo 3 than Starcraft 2, doing math:
Starcraft 2 - Train 12 hours a day for practice, very little/no money in smaller tournaments, no sponser if you aren't known, really dependant on being lucky and taking a game off someone well known, having a good personality or creating a buzz around yourself with drama...so you could literally play Starcraft 2 for 12 hours a day every day and make 0, even if you're top 100 grand masters
Diablo 3 - Play the game 12 hours a day, if you understand the economic aspect of the game and play constantly then you WILL make something, even if you earn $3 an hour, that's $252 a week for doing something you like playing(and $3 an hour is a very low estimate if you're good at the game)
More like playing 12h a day to earn avarage 3 bucks/day not hour. Outside few lucky drops that few people will get anyone who thinks he can earn somethink like 252 dollars/week will be in some serious wake up call. Thats for "normal people". Proffesional farmers with 8+ accounts, multiboxers, hackers, botters may earn a lot but there will alway be fear of account ban.
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On April 05 2012 18:08 SMMN wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 17:50 Cyro wrote: Poll: Will you keep playing SC2 after D3 release?
No! (127) 38% Shocking. Its been 2 years, i would have thought those still playing the game atleast had some sense of loyalty, or commitment/love for starcraft 2... Are this many people really just blizzard fanboys that will jump ship the moment the next game releases? I knew some would, but 38% is a massive stretch, if we get anywhere near those numbers overnight it will have a massive impact on the game and the entire scene They are responding to title of thread instead of poll
You guys are both wrong.
Majority responds to a poll question, not the topic of a thread, as the last is not visible on the poll page and the first is clearly. You are making a wrong inference to justify initial false observation.
The false observation is that 38% will leave SC2 for D3. This is not true, because the majority of SC2 players have no intention to play D3 and do not browse D3 section of Team Liquid, hence do not vote in the poll. What can be implied from this is that 38% of SC2 players that intend to play D3 are likely to quit SC2 at least for a while. And anyone who played D2 on battle.net knows that it's realistic and likely true. So we can conclude that if 10% of SC2 players intend to play D3, 38% of them will stop playing SC2 for a while. In this case 4% of SC2 players will leave for D3. If the input variable percentage is 20%, then 8% will be leaving SC2 for D3.
In any case, SC2 player base shouldn't decrease more than by 10% upon the release of D3.
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I find it funny how many people expect Diablo 3 to become more time consuming than WoW in that it's the only game they'll ever play for 15 years until Diablo 4
I'll probably stop playing Starcraft for 2 weeks or so get rusty as fuck in 1v1 hardcore play Diablo 3 with friends, then chill out and do it casually if I don't feel like 1v1ing or just dont feel like Starcraft I'll go play Diablo. Exactly like I did for Skyrim, this thread is pretty silly as it's forcing answers in absoulutes of I will stop playing starcraft and so on
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casual player will go back and forth not like they have anything to lose, pros will be pros, they will stick to what they are good at, go sc2
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On April 05 2012 18:37 lunar3force wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 16:38 RunAwayCactuar wrote: If high level/unknown SC2 players are smart then they would switch over to Diablo 3, while it doesn't have a competitive arena system(not at release) they will have access to the RMAH, I think most people could make more money playing Diablo 3 than Starcraft 2, doing math:
Starcraft 2 - Train 12 hours a day for practice, very little/no money in smaller tournaments, no sponser if you aren't known, really dependant on being lucky and taking a game off someone well known, having a good personality or creating a buzz around yourself with drama...so you could literally play Starcraft 2 for 12 hours a day every day and make 0, even if you're top 100 grand masters
Diablo 3 - Play the game 12 hours a day, if you understand the economic aspect of the game and play constantly then you WILL make something, even if you earn $3 an hour, that's $252 a week for doing something you like playing(and $3 an hour is a very low estimate if you're good at the game) More like playing 12h a day to earn avarage 3 bucks/day not hour. Outside few lucky drops that few people will get anyone who thinks he can earn somethink like 252 dollars/week will be in some serious wake up call. Thats for "normal people". Proffesional farmers with 8+ accounts, multiboxers, hackers, botters may earn a lot but there will alway be fear of account ban. You'd be surprised at what some people are willing to pay for a special type of hat in TF2.
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The release of D3 will filter out players who seek non-competitive gaming, simple as that. Many of these are already only casually playing team games and watching streams. Diablo 3 will be hardly mean loss of 1v1 players, more team players as they are known to be non-competitive.
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I will play D3. I don't really play sc2 anymore but I'll keep watching streams/tournaments
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Already did due lol dota2 and path of exile xD
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Well, loss of team players, sux2bme when I'm on at 4 in the morning looking for some team games to warm my brain up...
But what if D3 is like Skyrim? It was huge when it first came out and popularity carried on for a while, but after you do everything, it's just... done. StarCraft II has infinity, from the fact that every single game you play has at least slightly different circumstances, to its custom games, which are based on a shit system but still every now and then something new and good pops up.
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It will have a effect, as it is one of the biggest PC releases in years, and Diablo 3 offers the more relaxing kind of experience where you are listening to music and farming loot, whereas SC2 is far more stressful and competitive, once you beat Single Player in SC2 (which everyone and their mother has done) then there is nothing else to do but multiplayer.
Thats not to say its a lesser game or anything, its just overall a very stressful game, Diablo games can be difficult but even if/when you fail you just try again.
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Yes, but very little. Also the poll is obviously biased since this is the D3 forum.
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On April 05 2012 23:18 Tyree wrote: It will have a effect, as it is one of the biggest PC releases in years, and Diablo 3 offers the more relaxing kind of experience where you are listening to music and farming loot, whereas SC2 is far more stressful and competitive, once you beat Single Player in SC2 (which everyone and their mother has done) then there is nothing else to do but multiplayer.
Thats not to say its a lesser game or anything, its just overall a very stressful game, Diablo games can be difficult but even if/when you fail you just try again.
This post is bassicly summing everything up. I stopped playing sc2 because it's to stressfull. Looking forvard to D3 now. I will keep watching GSL thou.
good day, svizcy
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On April 05 2012 23:18 Tyree wrote: It will have a effect, as it is one of the biggest PC releases in years, and Diablo 3 offers the more relaxing kind of experience where you are listening to music and farming loot, whereas SC2 is far more stressful and competitive, once you beat Single Player in SC2 (which everyone and their mother has done) then there is nothing else to do but multiplayer.
Thats not to say its a lesser game or anything, its just overall a very stressful game, Diablo games can be difficult but even if/when you fail you just try again.
Another reason I'll be playing hardcore =)
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Already stopped playing sc2, but I'll continue to watch tournaments and view sc related content. Will probably start playing again when hots comes out.
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how can a game be stressful? Isn't it what people play when they take time off work/study (i.e stressful stuff)?
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Not playing sc2, will be playing D3 once that comes out
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On April 06 2012 01:14 Bartuc wrote:Not playing sc2, will be playing D3 once that comes out Same! I can't wait
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On April 06 2012 00:59 sharky246 wrote: how can a game be stressful? Isn't it what people play when they take time off work/study (i.e stressful stuff)? Well it depends on how seriously you take the game, if put a lot of pressure on yourself to win in a game like starcraft a game can be stressful.
On the topic I think what a lot of people already said: that no SC pro-gamer will quit for diablo, however a bunch of casual players will play diablo instead of starcraft, but if they are into esports they will keep following it.
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