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while this is impressive, i still think if you knew about the wizard god-mode bug from day 1 you could have easily made that much in the time in which the wizard bug still worked (3 months?)
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I know a friend did this on the ridiculously small scale the guy spoke about (1 script, 1 item for a few hours a day.) He was banned after 4-5 months i think and for leaving his PC running while he was at college / whatever he was making £10-20 a day.
Pretty disgusting someone did it on such a huge scale lol.
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On August 12 2014 07:25 LtCalley wrote: while this is impressive, i still think if you knew about the wizard god-mode bug from day 1 you could have easily made that much in the time in which the wizard bug still worked (3 months?)
Maybe, but do you mean make that by playing 24/7 for weeks? Or using bots that can utilize the bug?
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Quite impressive. I mean, he's just a kid, but he had good ideas. It's not overall very impressive technically, but it is a testimony to his dedication. Good for him that he made a top top salary in his country with the AH.
Anyways, I know it's because of little shit like him that the game had an AH problem, but it's just Blizzard's fault in the end. They just needed to prevent people from querying the AH 24/7 and prevent people from botting gold 24/7.
Honestly, I have little trouble toward the botters who farm items 24/7 because it just floods the market with good items.
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you are applauding the type of people who ruin online games for everyone.
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On August 13 2014 23:05 LaNague wrote: you are applauding the type of people who ruin online games for everyone.
Meh, this guy didn't really ruin the game for other people. He bought and sold legitimate items using scripts.
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On August 16 2014 00:07 Shottaz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2014 23:05 LaNague wrote: you are applauding the type of people who ruin online games for everyone. Meh, this guy didn't really ruin the game for other people. He bought and sold legitimate items using scripts.
So he botted the AH, which ruined the game for the legit players. He even says in his article, it made it impossible for a legitimate player to grab a good deal as a bot would already buy it in 0.05 sec.
I don't know of a world where botting doesn't ruin the game for others.
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On August 18 2014 23:16 Nekovivie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2014 00:07 Shottaz wrote:On August 13 2014 23:05 LaNague wrote: you are applauding the type of people who ruin online games for everyone. Meh, this guy didn't really ruin the game for other people. He bought and sold legitimate items using scripts. So he botted the AH, which ruined the game for the legit players. He even says in his article, it made it impossible for a legitimate player to grab a good deal as a bot would already buy it in 0.05 sec. I don't know of a world where botting doesn't ruin the game for others. It's impossible to grab a great deal from buyout. With his bot, it'd still be possible to get decent deals (a bit below market value) for buyout, or great deals with bidding. He just went after the great buyout deals. Maybe there are other bots going after decent deals as well, and maybe even auctions, what do I know. I do know that it was way more profitable to play the AH than to play the game, even if you do only manual flipping.
I don't think the AH botting ruined the game, it just made it harder to play the auction house without bots. Without bots like that, it'd be even mor eprofitable to play the AH instead of playing the game, so in a way we should thank him for making it relatively more worthwile to actually play.
What DID ruin the game (according to people that wanted to play the game) was the easy with which you could buy and sell on the AH, and the number of people playing. That, together with the decay of gold (the 15% fee that vaporised with every transaction) and the non-decay of items constantly drop in price comapred to gold. Thus, after a few months of playing, the most valuable loot you got when playing would be the gold, as the market was flooded with all items since release. And to translate the gold into character power, you had to go to the AH, or your char would be crappy.
Or that is how I see it.
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Like he said himself, can you blame him? Wouldn't you have done the same if you had the opportunity to make that much money?
Congratulations to them, by no means do I think he destroyed the game... I'd rather an AH bot gets all these items, rather than some players doing nothing with their lives but looking through the action house 10 hours a day to find one good item here and there.
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The real money in d3 was made in the first 2-3 days when gold was going for 50-60$/1mil and you could just smash pots and make that in an hour.
Or the dozen or so duping methods....
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He's obviously not as bad as the gaming bots, but it's still ruining the game. This stuff makes sure the entire AH is useless to normal players as everything will be at market value. I think it's telling that Blizz failed to make this work (it's not as if D3 is a hard to balance game, they can change anything they want about every class and item and it will only affect 1 situation, unlike in SC). They could have come up with the simplest of stuff to prevent this type of botting: - Killing one boss or levelling up or finishing a quest would give you 1 AH ticket (to buy something). - Items would lose a set % of their attributes every time they're resold. - You can only refresh the AH so many times per day. - etc, etc.
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1) easy for a bot to work around. 2) I like this idea, and it is in the same spirit as my old idea of allowing only a limited number of trades (one or two) on each item. It'd allow trading, but not as rampant as it was, and not too easy to make a profit as each trade makes the item less valuable. A compromise between before and how it is now. 3) don't think you could find a rate that wouldn't be annoying for real players, but sufficiently restricting for bots. Having a generous limit wouldn't hurt though, and would make the bots be slightly more careful with the refresh spamming. 4) may be gold here!
Actually the more I think about it, allowing only a single trade on each item, with the ah, would solve a lot of problems. Flipping would be impossible, and buying anything would have to be with gold you earned yourself. The only way to get a lot of gold would be to find a great item and sell it, but even then there won't be a lot of rich traders around that can buy your godly item for billions.
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Or how about lowering the number of items you can have on sale to 5 or 3? Or 1?? Almost only traders that were annoyed by that limit.
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Caldeum1976 Posts
The only way I got my gear to where it was back in the AH days was to sell my old gear wisely when the market was right. That got me usually near 50% of the price of the next upgrade I was looking at. Not allowing people to resell their old gear would have made my overall gear cost right before the gold exploit drop from about 4bil to less than 1bil easily, it was that important.
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I wouldn't really call that cool. I read a report a few years ago that Bulgaria was supplanting Nigeria as the center for online scams and other questionable online profiteering. There was a town that was notorious for it. Not exactly something to be proud of.
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Russian Federation1401 Posts
Since when is using scripting to facilitate work, disgusting? If he was my son, I would be proud.
D3 was ruined for me the moment I used the auction house to gear up. Not some people buying and selling on it on a massive scale.
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