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+ Show Spoiler [Short summary of the show] +Who's the hero – who's the threat? When MIA Marine Sgt. Nicholas Brody returns home to a hero's welcome after eight years in enemy confinement, brilliant but volatile CIA agent Carrie Mathison isn't buying his story. She believes that Brody has been turned and is now working for Al Qaeda. What follows is a dangerous game of cat and mouse with nothing short of American national security at stake.
+ Show Spoiler [Cast] +- Claire Danes - Romeo + Juliet
- Damian Lewis - Band of Brothers
- Mandy Patinkin - Criminal Minds
- Morena Baccarin - Firefly, Stargate Sg-1, V
plus a lot of know faces if You watch a lot of tv shows.
I've just watched the series premiere and was surprised by it. I've liked a lot, it's good piece of writing with interesting characters. Another good thing is that it's on Showtime, so 1hour long episodes. Personally I was looking for a good drama with extensive, season maybe even entire show, long plot. It certainly has a lot of potential and I look forward for the next week episode. Has anyone else watched it ?
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Yeah I watched the first episode on recommendation from a friend, and was glad to be surprised by it. Not bad for a pilot, could have been better, but it definitely sets the season up well. Will definitely be looking forward to more episodes! I'd recommend people try it out before making a call.
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was suprised that showtime had such a good fall-pilot for a drama show
Even though Lewis will always be "Captain Winters" to me, liked the cast quite a lot.
One thing though i'm sceptical about is how long this show will stay "fresh" for that matter. I mean yeah, there are two people now doubting Brody as a Hero and we already have signs of communication, knowledge that he killed his partner and can take it as a given fact that the show will revolve about an imcoming terrorist attack.
Also the pilot was quite quickly paced...if they keep this up they might be running out of good material pretty quickly. (and no, whole episodes revolving about the impending love-triangle are nothing that matters to me)
But hey, lets wait for another couple of episodes before judging. Pilot was great nevertheless.
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This was the best pilot I've seen in a while. The writing is amazingly good.
I love Claire Danes' character, she's brilliant and intense yet near psychotic, and she sells it perfectly. Her acting is absolutely superb.
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Great pilot, looks like it will pan out to be a great show.
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Lewis, to me, is one of those guys who will always be "that guy" in my head.
Daniel Radcliff - Harry Potter Johnny Depp - Captain Jack Sparrow Damian Lewis - Captain Winters
That said, he fits the role of a military-man quite well, and I feel like Showtime will continue to uphold their reputation and produce another fantastic drama series.
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This is the best new show so far this season. Good actors and an interesting premise.
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I missed the episode on sunday, was it different from the one that was featured on youtube?
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It's same episode. So far I can see only one serious drawback, that it has only 8 episodes.
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It seems good. The acting is good, not great, and it's got some really interesting parts, but the CIA and counter-terrorism angle takes too many liberties for my tastes; like Law & Order: CIA. It's not a cartoon like 24 but it's not close to being authentic either. I guess that's the difference between HBO shows and Showtime shows. :x TBH I think it'd be better as a series just about a POW coming home.
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On October 05 2011 04:51 Jibba wrote: It seems good. The acting is good, not great, and it's got some really interesting parts, but the CIA and counter-terrorism angle takes too many liberties for my tastes. It's not a cartoon like 24 but it's not close to being authentic either. I guess that's the difference between HBO shows and Showtime shows. :x TBH I think it'd be better as a series just about a POW coming home.
I'm curious as to what you considered to be "taking too many liberties" in how they portrayed the CIA stuff. I can't recall seeing something being over the top.
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On October 05 2011 04:57 Luxae wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 04:51 Jibba wrote: It seems good. The acting is good, not great, and it's got some really interesting parts, but the CIA and counter-terrorism angle takes too many liberties for my tastes. It's not a cartoon like 24 but it's not close to being authentic either. I guess that's the difference between HBO shows and Showtime shows. :x TBH I think it'd be better as a series just about a POW coming home. I'm curious as to what you considered to be "taking too many liberties" in how they portrayed the CIA stuff. I can't recall seeing something being over the top. The debriefing/interrogation, the bugging, psycho Carrie and the dumb deputy director. It's the same kind of protagonist you get from stuff like 24 or Luther or House. I'm just saying that hero story doesn't exist and it's a little boring to me. You need someone awesome like Idris Elba or Hugh Laurie to pull it off, and at the expense of realism. Even the underlying premise with+ Show Spoiler + is good for an action movie, but not as much for a serious drama.
+ Show Spoiler +The end with the hand ticking thing, that's straight out of a CSI or Law & Order episode. Not good writing. :/
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I have a feeling that this show will be a little like Dexter but instead of a new serial killer ever season it'll be a new security threat. The common theme would be the crazy blonde. You'll have to keep asking yourself, "Is she right or is she seeing connections that don't exist because she's crazy?"
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On October 05 2011 05:51 unsmart wrote: I have a feeling that this show will be a little like Dexter but instead of a new serial killer ever season it'll be a new security threat. The common theme would be the crazy blonde. You'll have to keep asking yourself, "Is she right or is she seeing connections that don't exist because she's crazy?" That would be really cool. + Show Spoiler +I wish they didn't have the confirmation that he's Mr. Evil dude, and instead you had to question her mental state a bit more.
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Wasn't too impressed with the pilot. It had its decent moments, and the premise has some potential, but it just doesn't feel like there's anything fresh or different about this show from others in its genre.
On another note, I really haven't had a pilot episode blow my mind away in a long while. I think LOST's was the last one I was truly impressed with. I pray it won't be theh last.
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On October 05 2011 05:59 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 05:51 unsmart wrote: I have a feeling that this show will be a little like Dexter but instead of a new serial killer ever season it'll be a new security threat. The common theme would be the crazy blonde. You'll have to keep asking yourself, "Is she right or is she seeing connections that don't exist because she's crazy?" That would be really cool. + Show Spoiler +I wish they didn't have the confirmation that he's Mr. Evil dude, and instead you had to question her mental state a bit more. I agree completely, + Show Spoiler +I think it was a mistake to show him beating his partner to death and lean on the head terrorist guy. Though that said, it doesn't necessarily mean he's the guy they are after or that the terrorists were successful.
I hope the season ends with Brody finding out his wife was "cheating" on him, suffers some other culture shock, and eventually he goes crazy suicidal and does something big in public. The CIA would stop him and the crazy lady would look like she was proven correct even though she wasn't.
Or, maybe the terrorists weren't successful in turning him by the time he was captured but the pressures of his family and the pushing of the CIA agent are what pushes him over the edge and onto their side.
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On October 05 2011 05:39 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 04:57 Luxae wrote:On October 05 2011 04:51 Jibba wrote: It seems good. The acting is good, not great, and it's got some really interesting parts, but the CIA and counter-terrorism angle takes too many liberties for my tastes. It's not a cartoon like 24 but it's not close to being authentic either. I guess that's the difference between HBO shows and Showtime shows. :x TBH I think it'd be better as a series just about a POW coming home. I'm curious as to what you considered to be "taking too many liberties" in how they portrayed the CIA stuff. I can't recall seeing something being over the top. The debriefing/interrogation, the bugging, psycho Carrie and the dumb deputy director. It's the same kind of protagonist you get from stuff like 24 or Luther or House. I'm just saying that hero story doesn't exist and it's a little boring to me. You need someone awesome like Idris Elba or Hugh Laurie to pull it off, and at the expense of realism. Even the underlying premise with + Show Spoiler + is good for an action movie, but not as much for a serious drama. + Show Spoiler +The end with the hand ticking thing, that's straight out of a CSI or Law & Order episode. Not good writing. :/ I've never sat in on a CIA debriefing, and I doubt you have either, so I'm not sure how you can claim it is unrealistic. I also don't think the Deputy Director is dumb, just following the rules. I don't think the real Deputy Director of the CIA is casually wiretapping US citizens without proof.
Also, having a goody-goody protagonist isn't new, nor unique. In fact, most female protagonists fall into this category. It does usually make them less interesting though.
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 05 2011 20:08 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 05:39 Jibba wrote:On October 05 2011 04:57 Luxae wrote:On October 05 2011 04:51 Jibba wrote: It seems good. The acting is good, not great, and it's got some really interesting parts, but the CIA and counter-terrorism angle takes too many liberties for my tastes. It's not a cartoon like 24 but it's not close to being authentic either. I guess that's the difference between HBO shows and Showtime shows. :x TBH I think it'd be better as a series just about a POW coming home. I'm curious as to what you considered to be "taking too many liberties" in how they portrayed the CIA stuff. I can't recall seeing something being over the top. The debriefing/interrogation, the bugging, psycho Carrie and the dumb deputy director. It's the same kind of protagonist you get from stuff like 24 or Luther or House. I'm just saying that hero story doesn't exist and it's a little boring to me. You need someone awesome like Idris Elba or Hugh Laurie to pull it off, and at the expense of realism. Even the underlying premise with + Show Spoiler + is good for an action movie, but not as much for a serious drama. + Show Spoiler +The end with the hand ticking thing, that's straight out of a CSI or Law & Order episode. Not good writing. :/ I've never sat in on a CIA debriefing, and I doubt you have either, so I'm not sure how you can claim it is unrealistic. I know people in the service who have. Not with a major target like that, but that's just not how it works. You don't just call a buddy and sit in. I also don't think the Deputy Director is dumb, just following the rules. I don't think the real Deputy Director of the CIA is causally wiretapping US citizens without proof. The fact that she never told anyone about it until that point made no sense to begin with. Even if it was a PR disaster, they would still procure everything she found out and keep her protected. There's zero benefit to keeping it a secret and a successful agent wouldn't get thrown under the bus like that. It's a non-sequitor for the purpose of a plot device because without it, obtaining surveillance wouldn't be a problem. Especially given how impulsive she is with getting others to help her, I can't imagine any situation where she keeps it a secret for an eventual end. The debriefing thing is a minor nitpick that's pretty easy to ignore, but my last point was basically the hinge of the pilot. :/
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