Star Trek: Into Darkness - Page 20
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
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Cillas
Germany78 Posts
All in all, it is a really good movie. It deals with the principles of the federation that are based on very serious issues. Kirk not just killing khan the second he could do it, not just following orders blindly, but instaed questioning himself. True qualities of a leading person and so on. Was way more philosophical inspired than i thought. EDIT: starfleet is in its basic core still a military alliance, lots of space and dependence on authoritys to do shit with. | ||
Perscienter
957 Posts
On May 22 2013 05:29 furerkip wrote: + Show Spoiler + You'd think that made sense, except for the fact he TOLD them to open the torpedoes not 30 minutes before that scene when he was first taken prisoner. The movie is plothole galore, but since I'm not a real ST fan, I just go for the action scenes. + Show Spoiler + But could he assume that they have extra pods and lots of spare time? They had to be opened manually. All of them. No matter how you approach it, it's a plot-hole. On May 24 2013 21:01 -Archangel- wrote: Lol, Defiant was definitively not an escort :D Defiant was officially classified as an escort. They downplayed it. On May 24 2013 20:45 Elegy wrote: According to canon, the resources of the Federation and Starfleet are essentially limitless. the films haven't touched on replicator technology yet, but it's a staple of star trek lore and the basis of federation economics. but that's almost a different story altogether And it's not that Marcus was being secretive, more like it's highly likely that Section 31 owned and operated the hidden research basis near Jupiter and that a black ops agency like that would not have any trouble getting resources to build 1 ship, big and badass as it may be. It's more likely that Starfleet, or at least Section 31, knew about the base and research and kept it hushed up...and that Marcus and his plan did not face any opposition (after all, his only plan was to build warships and defend against the Klingons). Doubtful he ever told people about his desire to actually provoke war or anything like that imo According to canon, Starfleet is a joke and there's usually only starship [insert you favourite's crew ship name here] getting shit done. In Generations a giant, dangerous space ribbon was flying through the Sol sector and they didn't notice until it was there. The only ship in reach was a newly-built Enterprise-B. If the administration knew about it, they are not forced to care about it. They can just shut up and tolerate it. | ||
ShallBurnAlive
United States1 Post
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Broetchenholer
Germany1821 Posts
The multiple plot holes were already named by so many people. I won't start again. I felt like, the writing was really bad, the visuals were okay, but meh. Biggest wtf moment was, when at the end, the Dreadnought clashed into the city, probably killing hundreds of thousands of people and the next fucking thing we see is James Kirk awakening and then giving a speech celebrating the next Enterprise. WTF! Talk about the death of bystanders in Star Trek. Before, only red shirts died after getting oneliners and are never mentioned again. Now, thousands die for producing an awesome scene and nobody gives a fuck. | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On May 27 2013 21:31 Broetchenholer wrote: Star Trek was always a bit more about science than fiction thats just not true. not at all On May 27 2013 21:31 Broetchenholer wrote: Now, thousands die for producing an awesome scene and nobody gives a fuck. they were all revived with tribble blood | ||
aseq
Netherlands3926 Posts
On May 28 2013 00:49 strongandbig wrote: thats just not true. not at all they were all revived with tribble blood It wasn't necessarily about science and not about fiction but I was sure as hell happy their lights wouldn't suddenly stop after 1 meter | ||
ampson
United States2355 Posts
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itkovian
United States1763 Posts
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Wrongspeedy
United States1655 Posts
On May 27 2013 21:31 Broetchenholer wrote: I don't understand how this movie was rated that high. Star Trek was always a bit more about science than fiction, yet, i almost thought i was watching Star Wars. And i've got no problem with StarWars, however, this movie is neither. The multiple plot holes were already named by so many people. I won't start again. I felt like, the writing was really bad, the visuals were okay, but meh. Biggest wtf moment was, when at the end, the Dreadnought clashed into the city, probably killing hundreds of thousands of people and the next fucking thing we see is James Kirk awakening and then giving a speech celebrating the next Enterprise. WTF! Talk about the death of bystanders in Star Trek. Before, only red shirts died after getting oneliners and are never mentioned again. Now, thousands die for producing an awesome scene and nobody gives a fuck. That speech happens a year later. | ||
sinani206
United States1959 Posts
On May 20 2013 11:56 FinestHour wrote: does anyone know the name of the song that played near the beginning and in the credits that was like a mix of the main theme but had those really definitive 2 major 1 minor chords by the orchestra? not really sure how else to describe it but those 3 chords were so good | ||
Xanbatou
United States805 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + When the admiral guy finds out that his daughter is on the Enterprise, he beams her onto his ship. He did this while the shields of the Enterprise are down. They had to have been down because I remember Captain Kirk saying to someone "Whatever you do, don't lower the shields". However, later when Khan wanted to beam his friends aboard, he couldn't do it because the shields of the Enterprise were up. Am I missing something? | ||
PH
United States6173 Posts
On May 28 2013 10:01 ampson wrote: Just gonna say I thought Cumberbatch was excellent in this movie. Somehow made the villain both ruthless and sympathetic, excellent character. Yeah. I really like what he brought to the character. Whereas the predecessor was proud and arrogant, the new one is coldly intelligent, calculating, and utterly focused and driven. Very sharp contrast between the first and new, but such a great way to interpret the character. | ||
LegalLord
United Kingdom13774 Posts
On May 28 2013 15:12 Xanbatou wrote: So, can someone explain something to me? I watched the movie yesterday and I don't understand something. + Show Spoiler + When the admiral guy finds out that his daughter is on the Enterprise, he beams her onto his ship. He did this while the shields of the Enterprise are down. They had to have been down because I remember Captain Kirk saying to someone "Whatever you do, don't lower the shields". However, later when Khan wanted to beam his friends aboard, he couldn't do it because the shields of the Enterprise were up. Am I missing something? + Show Spoiler + It's not too unbelievable that they would try to repair their shields while they have a few minutes to spare. There was enough time for the Enterprise to accelerate into Earth's atmosphere from 300,000 km away, so some time passed between the two events. | ||
Nilrem
United States3684 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Visuals and especially the audios were amazing in the film. Watching any of the federation ships move about was always a pleasure. But the part that I loved the most would have to be the audio. Not sure about everyone else but the sound of the Enterprise lifting off in the beginning (form the ocean) gave me goosebumps. The audio throughout the movie gave the ships a more, mechanical feel to them. We are given the chance to hear the inner workings of the ship and them increasing their power. This movie makes me sort of yearn for Deep Space 9 to be made into a film. I was always a fanboy for the massive battles that would go on with hundreds if not thousands of ships being shot at and destroyed. Anyway, the story was pretty good. At some parts it was a bit obvious and foreshadowing was sort of mishandled. It did not feel as natural as it could have been. The part where that furry little creature coincidentally started to breathe or move was pretty bad. I really did enjoy the philosophical side of the movie. It did bring up some moral and ethical issues that we are dealing with right now. One example would of course have to be the use of torpedoes and it being essentially a representation of the current use of Drones in the middle east. There was even a moment when Spock referenced Khan being killed without any form of due process, simply murdered via torpedo even as a citizen. So that aspect I was a manor fan. The comedic side of the movie was spot on. There were many moments throughout the film where I and a good portion of the audience were literally laughing out loud. Near the end, the scene with the radiation was quite enjoyable. Something about it being a homage to the earlier series and reference to the Wrath of Khan (Spock screaming KHAAAAAN!!). A very nice and interesting idea of switching the roles of who does and says what. Overall, I was very pleased with the film. It has its flaws but that does not surprise me. If you think about it, the Star Trek movies has one of the most difficult times when it comes to pressure. Just imagine a massive cult following of a series that will dissect every inch of your movie to make sure it is canon. So they were probably under immense amount of pressure again. Totally worth the money to see it at the theaters and I could see myself watching it again. Oh and side note, the ending bit with the quote of boldly going where no man has gone before, that brought a smile to my face. Brilliantly done and it fit the moment perfectly in my opinion. | ||
tornshoe
1 Post
On May 28 2013 15:55 Nilrem wrote: I just managed to watch the movie today so I thought I would chime in. + Show Spoiler + Visuals and especially the audios were amazing in the film. Watching any of the federation ships move about was always a pleasure. But the part that I loved the most would have to be the audio. Not sure about everyone else but the sound of the Enterprise lifting off in the beginning (form the ocean) gave me goosebumps. The audio throughout the movie gave the ships a more, mechanical feel to them. We are given the chance to hear the inner workings of the ship and them increasing their power. This movie makes me sort of yearn for Deep Space 9 to be made into a film. I was always a fanboy for the massive battles that would go on with hundreds if not thousands of ships being shot at and destroyed. Anyway, the story was pretty good. At some parts it was a bit obvious and foreshadowing was sort of mishandled. It did not feel as natural as it could have been. The part where that furry little creature coincidentally started to breathe or move was pretty bad. I really did enjoy the philosophical side of the movie. It did bring up some moral and ethical issues that we are dealing with right now. One example would of course have to be the use of torpedoes and it being essentially a representation of the current use of Drones in the middle east. There was even a moment when Spock referenced Khan being killed without any form of due process, simply murdered via torpedo even as a citizen. So that aspect I was a manor fan. The comedic side of the movie was spot on. There were many moments throughout the film where I and a good portion of the audience were literally laughing out loud. Near the end, the scene with the radiation was quite enjoyable. Something about it being a homage to the earlier series and reference to the Wrath of Khan (Spock screaming KHAAAAAN!!). A very nice and interesting idea of switching the roles of who does and says what. Overall, I was very pleased with the film. It has its flaws but that does not surprise me. If you think about it, the Star Trek movies has one of the most difficult times when it comes to pressure. Just imagine a massive cult following of a series that will dissect every inch of your movie to make sure it is canon. So they were probably under immense amount of pressure again. Totally worth the money to see it at the theaters and I could see myself watching it again. Oh and side note, the ending bit with the quote of boldly going where no man has gone before, that brought a smile to my face. Brilliantly done and it fit the moment perfectly in my opinion. An homage to Wrath of Khan? Over a quarter of the movie (including dialogue) was ripped directly from Wrath of Khan. If it had just been one or two little references like the "Khaaaaaaaan" at the end then that would have been fine. But most of the movie was just the alt-universe version of WoK. | ||
Nilrem
United States3684 Posts
On May 28 2013 16:10 tornshoe wrote: An homage to Wrath of Khan? Over a quarter of the movie (including dialogue) was ripped directly from Wrath of Khan. If it had just been one or two little references like the "Khaaaaaaaan" at the end then that would have been fine. But most of the movie was just the alt-universe version of WoK. Well the movie is about Khan so they did want to try to keep to canon (which would mean essentially referencing the movie). But the difference between the two is that one was necessary while the other was not. For example, Khan had to stay somewhat canon even though it is a different universe (due to time itself was altered). But the homage are nonessential bits of information. With the "Khaaaah", that was not at all necessary. But it was essentially a homage to WoK. It is similar to some of the other quotes from the movie that were added for comedic value or something of that sort. | ||
-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On May 28 2013 15:55 Nilrem wrote: I just managed to watch the movie today so I thought I would chime in. + Show Spoiler + Visuals and especially the audios were amazing in the film. Watching any of the federation ships move about was always a pleasure. But the part that I loved the most would have to be the audio. Not sure about everyone else but the sound of the Enterprise lifting off in the beginning (form the ocean) gave me goosebumps. The audio throughout the movie gave the ships a more, mechanical feel to them. We are given the chance to hear the inner workings of the ship and them increasing their power. This movie makes me sort of yearn for Deep Space 9 to be made into a film. I was always a fanboy for the massive battles that would go on with hundreds if not thousands of ships being shot at and destroyed. Anyway, the story was pretty good. At some parts it was a bit obvious and foreshadowing was sort of mishandled. It did not feel as natural as it could have been. The part where that furry little creature coincidentally started to breathe or move was pretty bad. I really did enjoy the philosophical side of the movie. It did bring up some moral and ethical issues that we are dealing with right now. One example would of course have to be the use of torpedoes and it being essentially a representation of the current use of Drones in the middle east. There was even a moment when Spock referenced Khan being killed without any form of due process, simply murdered via torpedo even as a citizen. So that aspect I was a manor fan. The comedic side of the movie was spot on. There were many moments throughout the film where I and a good portion of the audience were literally laughing out loud. Near the end, the scene with the radiation was quite enjoyable. Something about it being a homage to the earlier series and reference to the Wrath of Khan (Spock screaming KHAAAAAN!!). A very nice and interesting idea of switching the roles of who does and says what. Overall, I was very pleased with the film. It has its flaws but that does not surprise me. If you think about it, the Star Trek movies has one of the most difficult times when it comes to pressure. Just imagine a massive cult following of a series that will dissect every inch of your movie to make sure it is canon. So they were probably under immense amount of pressure again. Totally worth the money to see it at the theaters and I could see myself watching it again. Oh and side note, the ending bit with the quote of boldly going where no man has gone before, that brought a smile to my face. Brilliantly done and it fit the moment perfectly in my opinion. + Show Spoiler + I would say the torpedoes represent the question does USA have a moral right to start wars in other countries under the reason of "they might be a future threat to us". | ||
FFGenerations
7088 Posts
+ the soundtrack music at the start was god fucking awful vomit. i couldnt believe my ears + dialogue, pacing rushed, actions were dumbed and ridiculous, basically people shouting cliches at one another just to get them out of the way/introduce any new 8 year old boys to the scene. just unecessarily BAD + forcing unfunny cliches/humor and fucking them up badly (the "preparing to shuttle to the enterprise" scene with mccoy) + completely mindblowing stuff stuff such as this random blonde chick appearing infront of kirk and being like oh lol how do u do can i sit next to u lol + completely mindblowing stuff such as scotty randomly blaring out that "new torpedoes" are unacceptable and that he quits. WTF were they thinking with this scene. it just made no sense whatsoever and immeditalely you are like "oh ok the whole movie is gonna be about these torpedoes great". i cant believe they messed it up so badly. you would NEVER get that in star trek nor anything else for that matter. he would have said "aye but i dont get a good feelin about these torpedoes captn", shaken his head and that would have been the end of it. it would have been normal "subtle" interaction rather than a unnecessary BLAST in your face right at the start of the film like someone has a horn to your face. + trying to make the dialogue more "modern" by having people say "shhiiii" and "fffffu-" and being overlly basic about everything emotional. half of the goddamn start of the film was people making grunts and noises to portray basic feelings , whats the point of that? it ruins it, insanely childish , doesnt make sense. people dont just walk around going "shiii" under their breath at everything unless they want to be considered undeveloped and basic in conclusion i cant believe they put in these things that to me are so obviously digusting , from the crazy bad introducton of that blonde, to the craply done failed/rushed humour at the start (btw i dont think i heard anyone laugh at any point in the movie, maybe once and that was me), to parts of dialogue which were literally just wtf grunts, that segment of music which made me embarrassed to be there, to scotty's torpedo incident which felt like someone just randomly decided to wreck the movie in one scene for no reason. the rest/second half of the movie was great. | ||
Nilrem
United States3684 Posts
On May 28 2013 20:41 -Archangel- wrote: + Show Spoiler + I would say the torpedoes represent the question does USA have a moral right to start wars in other countries under the reason of "they might be a future threat to us". + Show Spoiler + In this situation, I will have to respectively disagree. There just seems to be too many references that point to not just the drone war, but war on terrorism. We have a terrorist act that occurred in London (in the movie) followed by essentially a declaration of a military manhunt for Khan. Following that, they are in a situation where Khan is in enemy territory (can think of it almost as Yemen or Pakistan) and instead of sending troops in, they will go after them with torpedoes (drones). Now, that alone is probably not sufficient in making my point, but that is when Spock confronted Kirk. He made the point that it was essentially murder, no due process, no jury, nothing, just execution. This is a major deal since Khan is/was at the time, a citizen, someone that worked for Starfleet. This mirrors the situation the U.S. is in as we speak where the right to have a jury, go to court, etc. is no longer there, We had the case with Anwar al-Awlaki who was born in Denver (so a U.S. citizen) but was intentionally killed via drone in Yemen. It resembles the current moral and ethical dilemma being faced as we speak. Now, the preemptive right to strike against an enemy, that I almost tied with the Klingons. Although a much weaker case, it does seem like the Admiral wished to strike first and create the gears of war just to, in an odd way, prevent the fighting. But I think it can go either way. Hell, one may even make an inference to South and North Korea between Starfleet and the Klingons. They were discussing how war was imminent and there have been skirmishes, even ships being fired upon but no war. Either way, they are weak with their connections, but might make the leap. Alas, in terms of the torpedoes, I still have to stand my ground and say that they mirror the current situation with drone warfare (not using torpedoes as a whole, but the use during this single instance against Khan). | ||
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