As much as the Star Wars trailer hyped me up as much this one confuses me.
Wasnt a part of the Superman character that he is a loner? Like the only one left of his kind, trying to fit in with the Clark Kent as his weak alter ego? The character i imagine would never let them build a giant statue or some poeple worship him. Or am i understanding the character wrong. The first time i watched i thought "Batman sees on TV that Superman saves the world, gets jealous and starts shooting people from a tower".
I am just not sure how Batman will work in a movie with multiple main characters. One reason The Dark Knight is great is that the Joker vs. Batman matchup is maybe the best of all superheros but i am not sure how this will work out here.
Oftentimes in Batman vs Superman confrontations, it's Superman who's going nuts and Batman, as a representative of the human people who's there to call his bullshit out. Wouldn't make much sense the other way: a godlike immortal being trying to stop a... millionaire with a suit and gadgets?
It will probably be about two points of view: one where people believe Superman is a savior/god (the ones who built the statue) and another where people believe he is the one who brought destruction to the world.
If I had to guess I would say Lex and Batman will share the second view, seeing Superman as a threat to the humanity. Of course this can change over the course of the movie (for Batman, at least).
So we have a pretty interesting discussion if Superman brings more good or bad things to the world.
What I think is harder to predict is how Superman will interact and behave when there is such polarizing views about him.
I know this is such a minor - maybe pedantic - detail but why is the logo a combination of both superman and batman? If the premise of the movie is that they are going up against each other, it wouldn't make sense to have the movie's major symbol be both of them joining together. Again, maybe this is just nitpicky.
They always end up fighting on the same side anyway (it's not like one of them IS an actual bad guy :D). I can see it being the end of the movie, so in this case the logo would make sense.
It is not called Dawn of Justice for no reason. The movie will be about forming the Justice League. Wonder Woman and Aqua Man also appear in the movie.
What's nice about this is that they're taking ideas from Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns (Batsuit, Batman using a sniper rifle, Bruce being a weary veteran, the armored batsuit, etc) and Mark Millar's Superman: Red Son (people idolizing Superman).
The only skepticism I really have is Zack Snyder. We can all agree that he is amazing when it comes to visuals and making a cool looking movie. The problem I have is that it's style over substance. Snyder's movies doesn't have that emotional connection from movie to viewer. A big relief is that Ben Affleck brought Chris Terrio to edit and revise David Goyer's script.
On April 19 2015 04:22 ZenithM wrote: They always end up fighting on the same side anyway (it's not like one of them IS an actual bad guy :D). I can see it being the end of the movie, so in this case the logo would make sense.
I really have my doubts about Ben Affleck. I'm sure he will do a fine Batman (especially with a digitalized voice haha), but when he doesn't wear a mask, all I'm thinking is "Well, it's Ben Affleck alright", not "Damn, Bruce Wayne has class". This impression will probably fade off when we see more of him as Bruce in the movie though :D
On April 19 2015 05:05 zoLo wrote: The only skepticism I really have is Zack Snyder. We can all agree that he is amazing when it comes to visuals and making a cool looking movie. The problem I have is that it's style over substance. Snyder's movies doesn't have that emotional connection from movie to viewer. A big relief is that Ben Affleck brought Chris Terrio to edit and revise David Goyer's script.
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person who really liked the Watchmen film. I never expected a good movie to be made out of that incredible comic book but, man, I re-watch that thing at least a few times a year. I thought he did a fantastic job.
On April 19 2015 05:05 zoLo wrote: The only skepticism I really have is Zack Snyder. We can all agree that he is amazing when it comes to visuals and making a cool looking movie. The problem I have is that it's style over substance. Snyder's movies doesn't have that emotional connection from movie to viewer. A big relief is that Ben Affleck brought Chris Terrio to edit and revise David Goyer's script.
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person who really liked the Watchmen film. I never expected a good movie to be made out of that incredible comic book but, man, I re-watch that thing at least a few times a year. I thought he did a fantastic job.
The problem is that people tend to blame the director for bad movies even when the problem is clearly the screenplay. Snyder is pretty amazing when it comes to visuals and his casting choice are often very good but he's just a bad screenwriter. This time (like in Watchmen) he has good original material and a competent writer, the basics for a good movie are there.
Making a good movie out of amazing comics is not that hard, even the Wachowski managed to do it and they fucking suck.
On April 19 2015 05:05 zoLo wrote: The only skepticism I really have is Zack Snyder. We can all agree that he is amazing when it comes to visuals and making a cool looking movie. The problem I have is that it's style over substance. Snyder's movies doesn't have that emotional connection from movie to viewer. A big relief is that Ben Affleck brought Chris Terrio to edit and revise David Goyer's script.
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person who really liked the Watchmen film. I never expected a good movie to be made out of that incredible comic book but, man, I re-watch that thing at least a few times a year. I thought he did a fantastic job.
The problem is that people tend to blame the director for bad movies even when the problem is clearly the screenplay. Snyder is pretty amazing when it comes to visuals and his casting choice are often very good but he's just a bad screenwriter. This time (like in Watchmen) he has good original material and a competent writer, the basics for a good movie are there.
Making a good movie out of amazing comics is not that hard, even the Wachowski managed to do it and they fucking suck.
can't the director turn down the project to protect his reputation?
making a good movie out of an amazing comic is difficult. you have to get a lot of things right while avoiding the problem of "too many cooks in the kitchen".
even in movies that turn out great the "too many cooks in the kitchen" issue is a constant battle.
At 51 seconds of the trailer posted by ArchAngel you see the shadowy figure of a statue and his fingers partially curled up like you know who does before shooting out a web .. i thought great... its Spiderman Versus Superman
ummm so the title "Dawn of Justice" .. is it really going to end up being "Dawn of the Justice League" ?
On April 19 2015 05:05 zoLo wrote: The only skepticism I really have is Zack Snyder. We can all agree that he is amazing when it comes to visuals and making a cool looking movie. The problem I have is that it's style over substance. Snyder's movies doesn't have that emotional connection from movie to viewer. A big relief is that Ben Affleck brought Chris Terrio to edit and revise David Goyer's script.
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person who really liked the Watchmen film. I never expected a good movie to be made out of that incredible comic book but, man, I re-watch that thing at least a few times a year. I thought he did a fantastic job.
Making a good movie out of amazing comics is not that hard, even the Wachowski managed to do it and they fucking suck.
I'm pretty sure the Wachowski's will be seen as two of the most influencial directors in the world in 50' years. But heh, it's not like people like to bash them for nothing too.
On April 19 2015 05:05 zoLo wrote: The only skepticism I really have is Zack Snyder. We can all agree that he is amazing when it comes to visuals and making a cool looking movie. The problem I have is that it's style over substance. Snyder's movies doesn't have that emotional connection from movie to viewer. A big relief is that Ben Affleck brought Chris Terrio to edit and revise David Goyer's script.
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person who really liked the Watchmen film. I never expected a good movie to be made out of that incredible comic book but, man, I re-watch that thing at least a few times a year. I thought he did a fantastic job.
The problem is that people tend to blame the director for bad movies even when the problem is clearly the screenplay. Snyder is pretty amazing when it comes to visuals and his casting choice are often very good but he's just a bad screenwriter. This time (like in Watchmen) he has good original material and a competent writer, the basics for a good movie are there.
Making a good movie out of amazing comics is not that hard, even the Wachowski managed to do it and they fucking suck.
can't the director turn down the project to protect his reputation?
making a good movie out of an amazing comic is difficult. you have to get a lot of things right while avoiding the problem of "too many cooks in the kitchen".
even in movies that turn out great the "too many cooks in the kitchen" issue is a constant battle.
At 51 seconds of the trailer posted by ArchAngel you see the shadowy figure of a statue and his fingers partially curled up like you know who does before shooting out a web .. i thought great... its Spiderman Versus Superman
ummm so the title "Dawn of Justice" .. is it really going to end up being "Dawn of the Justice League" ?
In blockbusters, directors are often tied to the project before the script is fully written. If the script end up sucking they generally try to rewrite it mid-shooting (or even after the movie is complete like for example World war Z) but the director pretty much stays on board until the end.
When I said that making a good movie out of an amazing comics was not that hard I meant it in the case where you can just adapt a stand alone series (with a few issues) into a movie like 300, the Watchmen, V for Vendetta (and I think BvS but I might be wrong). Adapting a 1000+ issues comic book is on the other end pretty difficult and that's why most Superhero movies are bad.
On April 19 2015 05:05 zoLo wrote: The only skepticism I really have is Zack Snyder. We can all agree that he is amazing when it comes to visuals and making a cool looking movie. The problem I have is that it's style over substance. Snyder's movies doesn't have that emotional connection from movie to viewer. A big relief is that Ben Affleck brought Chris Terrio to edit and revise David Goyer's script.
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person who really liked the Watchmen film. I never expected a good movie to be made out of that incredible comic book but, man, I re-watch that thing at least a few times a year. I thought he did a fantastic job.
Making a good movie out of amazing comics is not that hard, even the Wachowski managed to do it and they fucking suck.
I'm pretty sure the Wachowski's will be seen as two of the most influencial directors in the world in 50' years. But heh, it's not like people like to bash them for nothing too.
Why would they be? The only thing they significantly impacted were visuals and special effects, mostly through the slow-motion effect which has already been turned into a gimmick. I give them credit for adapting V for vendetta for James McTeigue and coming up with the matrix which was pretty smart, but the sequels, their other 3 movies and their video games are all absolutely terrible.
On April 19 2015 22:15 Diavlo wrote: In blockbusters, directors are often tied to the project before the script is fully written. If the script end up sucking they generally try to rewrite it mid-shooting (or even after the movie is complete like for example World war Z) but the director pretty much stays on board until the end.
it is a matter of what is more important to the director in question. money or reputation. on the extreme end of the reputation scale is Richard Donner. a director can leave any project any time (s)he wants. when (s)he initially negotiates the deal he/she needs to structure the deal appropriately. and of course, giving him/her multiple outs will cost him/her cash.
same thing happens in video games. Blizzard will cancel a game with 5 years and 4 studios having worked on it and get $0 return. EA will pump out anything half baked. And still, EA apologists keep giving them more chances and accepting their excuses no matter how much mediocre stuff the sell.
Blizzard doesn't do "movie tie in games" or games involving shared IP. They surrender many money making opportunities by doing so. They also keep their brand very strong by doing so.
all that said, i thought Sam Raimi sorta got boned with Spiderman3.
Woooo, vague Andy Warhol references. with a hint of Sex Pistols.
The more I watch this trailer, the more I can't help but feel like Snyder did what Snyder does and made the Watchmen but in the DCU. I mean straight away we get a CG statue that isn't even terribly great CGI, likely by choice, and by the end we have what we assume is a batwing + Show Spoiler +
or whatever they are calling it that isn't tied to something you do with your balls
which always feels a bit shark jumpy to me for Batman, I've never liked them.
Then we get to the voice, Bale's was funny sure, but at least it didn't make him seem like a ventriloquist. I don't know anymore, I want to believe this isn't just Snyder and Miller cashing in again, but I lost a lot of optimism today.
On a scale of The Dark Knight to Batman and Robin, I am about a Batman Returns, but when you're not in the mode for the campiness and 80sness of it.