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On February 16 2013 01:31 imnestle wrote:man you just wrote something that was the entire time in my head and i couldnt answer it on my own... glad that im not the only one that got confused by that " you cant break it" when the 2nd tried .... also i dont understand why the best and strongest shinobi of all time (1st hokage) cant free himself from it too... seems stupid to me the 1st did free himself Orochimaru saids so
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Weird that the inventor of the Reanimation jutsu can't free himself while others can.
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On February 16 2013 01:49 shark. wrote: Weird that the inventor of the Reanimation jutsu can't free himself while others can. its all about how strong you are not how knowledgable
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On February 16 2013 01:53 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 01:49 shark. wrote: Weird that the inventor of the Reanimation jutsu can't free himself while others can. its all about how strong you are not how knowledgable So Tobirama is too weak to break his own jutsu despite being one of the strongest Shinobi that have ever lived. Sounds stupid to me.
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On February 16 2013 02:03 shark. wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 01:53 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 01:49 shark. wrote: Weird that the inventor of the Reanimation jutsu can't free himself while others can. its all about how strong you are not how knowledgable So Tobirama is too weak to break his own jutsu despite being one of the strongest Shinobi that have ever lived. Sounds stupid to me. well hes the guy who got killed by only a few pursuers from cloud so hes already canonically a weakling
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On February 16 2013 02:07 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 02:03 shark. wrote:On February 16 2013 01:53 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 01:49 shark. wrote: Weird that the inventor of the Reanimation jutsu can't free himself while others can. its all about how strong you are not how knowledgable So Tobirama is too weak to break his own jutsu despite being one of the strongest Shinobi that have ever lived. Sounds stupid to me. well hes the guy who got killed by only a few pursuers from cloud so hes already canonically a weakling Harashima died to a bunch of nobodies in a random battle so that makes him a weakling also? Reading back it seems that the reason Oro can control all but the first is because he made up of mostly from the firsts cells. Even still I find it pretty stupid that he can't free himself.
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On February 16 2013 02:07 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 02:03 shark. wrote:On February 16 2013 01:53 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 01:49 shark. wrote: Weird that the inventor of the Reanimation jutsu can't free himself while others can. its all about how strong you are not how knowledgable So Tobirama is too weak to break his own jutsu despite being one of the strongest Shinobi that have ever lived. Sounds stupid to me. well hes the guy who got killed by only a few pursuers from cloud so hes already canonically a weakling
Ya cause fighting 20 elite ninja at once and holding your own means you're a weakling... The second is one of the most powerful shinobi in the whole series...
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On February 16 2013 02:17 shark. wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 02:07 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 02:03 shark. wrote:On February 16 2013 01:53 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 01:49 shark. wrote: Weird that the inventor of the Reanimation jutsu can't free himself while others can. its all about how strong you are not how knowledgable So Tobirama is too weak to break his own jutsu despite being one of the strongest Shinobi that have ever lived. Sounds stupid to me. well hes the guy who got killed by only a few pursuers from cloud so hes already canonically a weakling Harashima died to a bunch of nobodies in a random battle so that makes him a weakling also? Reading back it seems that the reason Oro can control all but the first is because he made up of mostly from the firsts cells. Even still I find it pretty stupid that he can't free himself. the first beat Madara and the Kyuubi at the same time hes stronger then Madara and Madara completely freed himself so its not wierd at all that the 1st could free himself
the 2nd never did anything noteworthy and is weaker then Oro its not that wierd
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On February 16 2013 02:19 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 02:17 shark. wrote:On February 16 2013 02:07 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 02:03 shark. wrote:On February 16 2013 01:53 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 01:49 shark. wrote: Weird that the inventor of the Reanimation jutsu can't free himself while others can. its all about how strong you are not how knowledgable So Tobirama is too weak to break his own jutsu despite being one of the strongest Shinobi that have ever lived. Sounds stupid to me. well hes the guy who got killed by only a few pursuers from cloud so hes already canonically a weakling Harashima died to a bunch of nobodies in a random battle so that makes him a weakling also? Reading back it seems that the reason Oro can control all but the first is because he made up of mostly from the firsts cells. Even still I find it pretty stupid that he can't free himself. the first beat Madara and the Kyuubi at the same time hes stronger then Madara and Madara completely freed himself so its not wierd at all that the 1st could free himself the 2nd never did anything noteworthy and is weaker then Oro its not that wierd
we dont know how strong the 2nd is and we definitly dont know wich one is stronger oro or the 2nd...
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On February 16 2013 02:30 DODswe4 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 02:19 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 02:17 shark. wrote:On February 16 2013 02:07 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 02:03 shark. wrote:On February 16 2013 01:53 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 01:49 shark. wrote: Weird that the inventor of the Reanimation jutsu can't free himself while others can. its all about how strong you are not how knowledgable So Tobirama is too weak to break his own jutsu despite being one of the strongest Shinobi that have ever lived. Sounds stupid to me. well hes the guy who got killed by only a few pursuers from cloud so hes already canonically a weakling Harashima died to a bunch of nobodies in a random battle so that makes him a weakling also? Reading back it seems that the reason Oro can control all but the first is because he made up of mostly from the firsts cells. Even still I find it pretty stupid that he can't free himself. the first beat Madara and the Kyuubi at the same time hes stronger then Madara and Madara completely freed himself so its not wierd at all that the 1st could free himself the 2nd never did anything noteworthy and is weaker then Oro its not that wierd we dont know how strong the 2nd is and we definitly dont know wich one is stronger oro or the 2nd... the 2nd has done nothing of interest and got killed by a bunch of no-name cloud guys
saying hes weaker then Oro may not be fair but hes obviously not strong enough to break his control
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On February 16 2013 02:33 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 02:30 DODswe4 wrote:On February 16 2013 02:19 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 02:17 shark. wrote:On February 16 2013 02:07 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 02:03 shark. wrote:On February 16 2013 01:53 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 01:49 shark. wrote: Weird that the inventor of the Reanimation jutsu can't free himself while others can. its all about how strong you are not how knowledgable So Tobirama is too weak to break his own jutsu despite being one of the strongest Shinobi that have ever lived. Sounds stupid to me. well hes the guy who got killed by only a few pursuers from cloud so hes already canonically a weakling Harashima died to a bunch of nobodies in a random battle so that makes him a weakling also? Reading back it seems that the reason Oro can control all but the first is because he made up of mostly from the firsts cells. Even still I find it pretty stupid that he can't free himself. the first beat Madara and the Kyuubi at the same time hes stronger then Madara and Madara completely freed himself so its not wierd at all that the 1st could free himself the 2nd never did anything noteworthy and is weaker then Oro its not that wierd we dont know how strong the 2nd is and we definitly dont know wich one is stronger oro or the 2nd... the 2nd has done nothing of interest and got killed by a bunch of no-name cloud guys saying hes weaker then Oro may not be fair but hes obviously not strong enough to break his control
Oro got killed by 2 people, the 3rd which was quite weak in hes old age and sasuke. We have no idea who those 20 cloud guys was, its quite likely that it was 20 guys equivalent to anbus. 2nd was strong enough to become the 2nd after all and most people who have gotten killed in naruto universe have been killed in small skirmishes
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On February 16 2013 02:37 DODswe4 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 02:33 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 02:30 DODswe4 wrote:On February 16 2013 02:19 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 02:17 shark. wrote:On February 16 2013 02:07 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 02:03 shark. wrote:On February 16 2013 01:53 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 01:49 shark. wrote: Weird that the inventor of the Reanimation jutsu can't free himself while others can. its all about how strong you are not how knowledgable So Tobirama is too weak to break his own jutsu despite being one of the strongest Shinobi that have ever lived. Sounds stupid to me. well hes the guy who got killed by only a few pursuers from cloud so hes already canonically a weakling Harashima died to a bunch of nobodies in a random battle so that makes him a weakling also? Reading back it seems that the reason Oro can control all but the first is because he made up of mostly from the firsts cells. Even still I find it pretty stupid that he can't free himself. the first beat Madara and the Kyuubi at the same time hes stronger then Madara and Madara completely freed himself so its not wierd at all that the 1st could free himself the 2nd never did anything noteworthy and is weaker then Oro its not that wierd we dont know how strong the 2nd is and we definitly dont know wich one is stronger oro or the 2nd... the 2nd has done nothing of interest and got killed by a bunch of no-name cloud guys saying hes weaker then Oro may not be fair but hes obviously not strong enough to break his control Oro got killed by 2 people, the 3rd which was quite weak in hes old age and sasuke. We have no idea who those 20 cloud guys was, its quite likely that it was 20 guys equivalent to anbus. 2nd was strong enough to become the 2nd after all and most people who have gotten killed in naruto universe have been killed in small skirmishes Oro was not killed by the 3rd and was only barely killed by Itachi actually, Sasuke only managed to seal Oro and only because Oro didnt ahve his arms and then Itachi managed to finish him off
and sicne Oros is still ALIVE he evidently hasnt been completely killed
you simply cant argue with waht im saying, Oro is strong enough to prevent the 2nd from moving
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On February 16 2013 02:40 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 02:37 DODswe4 wrote:On February 16 2013 02:33 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 02:30 DODswe4 wrote:On February 16 2013 02:19 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 02:17 shark. wrote:On February 16 2013 02:07 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 02:03 shark. wrote:On February 16 2013 01:53 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 01:49 shark. wrote: Weird that the inventor of the Reanimation jutsu can't free himself while others can. its all about how strong you are not how knowledgable So Tobirama is too weak to break his own jutsu despite being one of the strongest Shinobi that have ever lived. Sounds stupid to me. well hes the guy who got killed by only a few pursuers from cloud so hes already canonically a weakling Harashima died to a bunch of nobodies in a random battle so that makes him a weakling also? Reading back it seems that the reason Oro can control all but the first is because he made up of mostly from the firsts cells. Even still I find it pretty stupid that he can't free himself. the first beat Madara and the Kyuubi at the same time hes stronger then Madara and Madara completely freed himself so its not wierd at all that the 1st could free himself the 2nd never did anything noteworthy and is weaker then Oro its not that wierd we dont know how strong the 2nd is and we definitly dont know wich one is stronger oro or the 2nd... the 2nd has done nothing of interest and got killed by a bunch of no-name cloud guys saying hes weaker then Oro may not be fair but hes obviously not strong enough to break his control Oro got killed by 2 people, the 3rd which was quite weak in hes old age and sasuke. We have no idea who those 20 cloud guys was, its quite likely that it was 20 guys equivalent to anbus. 2nd was strong enough to become the 2nd after all and most people who have gotten killed in naruto universe have been killed in small skirmishes Oro was not killed by the 3rd and was only barely killed by Itachi actually, Sasuke only managed to seal Oro and only because Oro didnt ahve his arms and then Itachi managed to finish him off and sicne Oros is still ALIVE he evidently hasnt been completely killed you simply cant argue with waht im saying, Oro is strong enough to prevent the 2nd from moving
yes Oro is strong enough to stop the 2nd from moving by you logic Kabuto is clearly stronger then all the seven swordsmen of the mist as well as all the old kages, Pain and all the other monsters he could force to do what he wanted, in fact the only one who wasnt completly controlled by edo-tensai was Madara.
Oro can stop the 2nd from moving thats not what Im arguing. Im arguing that the we dont know how strong the 2nd really is. Oro survives with hes seal, everyone and I mean everyone thought Oro was killed by Sasuke (even kabuto thought that) the point wasnt that Oro was killed but by the number of people needed to bring him down. Most enemies are brought down by 1-3 people
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On February 16 2013 02:50 DODswe4 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 02:40 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 02:37 DODswe4 wrote:On February 16 2013 02:33 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 02:30 DODswe4 wrote:On February 16 2013 02:19 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 02:17 shark. wrote:On February 16 2013 02:07 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 02:03 shark. wrote:On February 16 2013 01:53 Forikorder wrote: [quote] its all about how strong you are not how knowledgable So Tobirama is too weak to break his own jutsu despite being one of the strongest Shinobi that have ever lived. Sounds stupid to me. well hes the guy who got killed by only a few pursuers from cloud so hes already canonically a weakling Harashima died to a bunch of nobodies in a random battle so that makes him a weakling also? Reading back it seems that the reason Oro can control all but the first is because he made up of mostly from the firsts cells. Even still I find it pretty stupid that he can't free himself. the first beat Madara and the Kyuubi at the same time hes stronger then Madara and Madara completely freed himself so its not wierd at all that the 1st could free himself the 2nd never did anything noteworthy and is weaker then Oro its not that wierd we dont know how strong the 2nd is and we definitly dont know wich one is stronger oro or the 2nd... the 2nd has done nothing of interest and got killed by a bunch of no-name cloud guys saying hes weaker then Oro may not be fair but hes obviously not strong enough to break his control Oro got killed by 2 people, the 3rd which was quite weak in hes old age and sasuke. We have no idea who those 20 cloud guys was, its quite likely that it was 20 guys equivalent to anbus. 2nd was strong enough to become the 2nd after all and most people who have gotten killed in naruto universe have been killed in small skirmishes Oro was not killed by the 3rd and was only barely killed by Itachi actually, Sasuke only managed to seal Oro and only because Oro didnt ahve his arms and then Itachi managed to finish him off and sicne Oros is still ALIVE he evidently hasnt been completely killed you simply cant argue with waht im saying, Oro is strong enough to prevent the 2nd from moving yes Oro is strong enough to stop the 2nd from moving by you logic Kabuto is clearly stronger then all the seven swordsmen of the mist as well as all the old kages, Pain and all the other monsters he could force to do what he wanted, in fact the only one who wasnt completly controlled by edo-tensai was Madara. Oro can stop the 2nd from moving thats not what Im arguing. Im arguing that the we dont know how strong the 2nd really is. Oro survives with hes seal, everyone and I mean everyone thought Oro was killed by Sasuke (even kabuto thought that) the point wasnt that Oro was killed but by the number of people needed to bring him down. Most enemies are brought down by 1-3 people yes Kabuto was stronger then each of the seven swordsmen and each of the old kages he ate Oro so had all his power and was using sage techniques so hes definently Kage level
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On February 16 2013 02:55 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 02:50 DODswe4 wrote:On February 16 2013 02:40 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 02:37 DODswe4 wrote:On February 16 2013 02:33 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 02:30 DODswe4 wrote:On February 16 2013 02:19 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 02:17 shark. wrote:On February 16 2013 02:07 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 02:03 shark. wrote: [quote] So Tobirama is too weak to break his own jutsu despite being one of the strongest Shinobi that have ever lived. Sounds stupid to me. well hes the guy who got killed by only a few pursuers from cloud so hes already canonically a weakling Harashima died to a bunch of nobodies in a random battle so that makes him a weakling also? Reading back it seems that the reason Oro can control all but the first is because he made up of mostly from the firsts cells. Even still I find it pretty stupid that he can't free himself. the first beat Madara and the Kyuubi at the same time hes stronger then Madara and Madara completely freed himself so its not wierd at all that the 1st could free himself the 2nd never did anything noteworthy and is weaker then Oro its not that wierd we dont know how strong the 2nd is and we definitly dont know wich one is stronger oro or the 2nd... the 2nd has done nothing of interest and got killed by a bunch of no-name cloud guys saying hes weaker then Oro may not be fair but hes obviously not strong enough to break his control Oro got killed by 2 people, the 3rd which was quite weak in hes old age and sasuke. We have no idea who those 20 cloud guys was, its quite likely that it was 20 guys equivalent to anbus. 2nd was strong enough to become the 2nd after all and most people who have gotten killed in naruto universe have been killed in small skirmishes Oro was not killed by the 3rd and was only barely killed by Itachi actually, Sasuke only managed to seal Oro and only because Oro didnt ahve his arms and then Itachi managed to finish him off and sicne Oros is still ALIVE he evidently hasnt been completely killed you simply cant argue with waht im saying, Oro is strong enough to prevent the 2nd from moving yes Oro is strong enough to stop the 2nd from moving by you logic Kabuto is clearly stronger then all the seven swordsmen of the mist as well as all the old kages, Pain and all the other monsters he could force to do what he wanted, in fact the only one who wasnt completly controlled by edo-tensai was Madara. Oro can stop the 2nd from moving thats not what Im arguing. Im arguing that the we dont know how strong the 2nd really is. Oro survives with hes seal, everyone and I mean everyone thought Oro was killed by Sasuke (even kabuto thought that) the point wasnt that Oro was killed but by the number of people needed to bring him down. Most enemies are brought down by 1-3 people yes Kabuto was stronger then each of the seven swordsmen and each of the old kages he ate Oro so had all his power and was using sage techniques so hes definently Kage level
if you believe that you dont know how to measure strength... Kabuto lost easily to itachi, yet Itachi never broke out of the Edo-tensai Kabuto put on him. A old genjutsu that Itachi put inside Naruto made him able to fight with him at all. So Itachi could break Edo-tensai but could still defeat Kabuto? is Kabuto stronger then Itachi, your logic says so, normal logic says he isnt because he was defeated....
I'll stop arguing with you here, because you make no point other then look 1 technique there for hes the strongest
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On February 16 2013 03:01 DODswe4 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 02:55 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 02:50 DODswe4 wrote:On February 16 2013 02:40 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 02:37 DODswe4 wrote:On February 16 2013 02:33 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 02:30 DODswe4 wrote:On February 16 2013 02:19 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 02:17 shark. wrote:On February 16 2013 02:07 Forikorder wrote: [quote] well hes the guy who got killed by only a few pursuers from cloud so hes already canonically a weakling Harashima died to a bunch of nobodies in a random battle so that makes him a weakling also? Reading back it seems that the reason Oro can control all but the first is because he made up of mostly from the firsts cells. Even still I find it pretty stupid that he can't free himself. the first beat Madara and the Kyuubi at the same time hes stronger then Madara and Madara completely freed himself so its not wierd at all that the 1st could free himself the 2nd never did anything noteworthy and is weaker then Oro its not that wierd we dont know how strong the 2nd is and we definitly dont know wich one is stronger oro or the 2nd... the 2nd has done nothing of interest and got killed by a bunch of no-name cloud guys saying hes weaker then Oro may not be fair but hes obviously not strong enough to break his control Oro got killed by 2 people, the 3rd which was quite weak in hes old age and sasuke. We have no idea who those 20 cloud guys was, its quite likely that it was 20 guys equivalent to anbus. 2nd was strong enough to become the 2nd after all and most people who have gotten killed in naruto universe have been killed in small skirmishes Oro was not killed by the 3rd and was only barely killed by Itachi actually, Sasuke only managed to seal Oro and only because Oro didnt ahve his arms and then Itachi managed to finish him off and sicne Oros is still ALIVE he evidently hasnt been completely killed you simply cant argue with waht im saying, Oro is strong enough to prevent the 2nd from moving yes Oro is strong enough to stop the 2nd from moving by you logic Kabuto is clearly stronger then all the seven swordsmen of the mist as well as all the old kages, Pain and all the other monsters he could force to do what he wanted, in fact the only one who wasnt completly controlled by edo-tensai was Madara. Oro can stop the 2nd from moving thats not what Im arguing. Im arguing that the we dont know how strong the 2nd really is. Oro survives with hes seal, everyone and I mean everyone thought Oro was killed by Sasuke (even kabuto thought that) the point wasnt that Oro was killed but by the number of people needed to bring him down. Most enemies are brought down by 1-3 people yes Kabuto was stronger then each of the seven swordsmen and each of the old kages he ate Oro so had all his power and was using sage techniques so hes definently Kage level of you believe that you dont know how to measure strength... Kabuto lost easily to itachi, yet Itachi never broke out of the Edo-tensai Kabuto put on him. A old genjutsu that Itachi put inside Naruto made him able to fight with him at all. So Itachi could break Edo-tensai but could still defeat Kabuto? is Kabuto stronger then Itachi, your logic says so, normal logic says he isnt because he was defeated.... I'll stop arguing with you here, because you make no point other then look 1 technique there for hes the strongest Itachi and Sasuke tag team managed to beat Kabuto Itachi didnt beat Kabuto alone
and Itachi is like super powerful
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On February 16 2013 02:17 shark. wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 02:07 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 02:03 shark. wrote:On February 16 2013 01:53 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 01:49 shark. wrote: Weird that the inventor of the Reanimation jutsu can't free himself while others can. its all about how strong you are not how knowledgable So Tobirama is too weak to break his own jutsu despite being one of the strongest Shinobi that have ever lived. Sounds stupid to me. well hes the guy who got killed by only a few pursuers from cloud so hes already canonically a weakling Harashima died to a bunch of nobodies in a random battle so that makes him a weakling also? Reading back it seems that the reason Oro can control all but the first is because he made up of mostly from the firsts cells. Even still I find it pretty stupid that he can't free himself. Lol no we have no idea how the first died you're just speculating.
Itachi couldn't fight kabuto with killer intent though since he had to keep him alive to stop the edo tensei.
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So far agreed with everything Fork is saying about who is stronger, it's all so reasonable!
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On February 16 2013 02:07 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 02:03 shark. wrote:On February 16 2013 01:53 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 01:49 shark. wrote: Weird that the inventor of the Reanimation jutsu can't free himself while others can. its all about how strong you are not how knowledgable So Tobirama is too weak to break his own jutsu despite being one of the strongest Shinobi that have ever lived. Sounds stupid to me. well hes the guy who got killed by only a few pursuers from cloud so hes already canonically a weakling
not exactly a bunch of nobodies
he supposedly died fighting the "Kinkaku Force" of the Land of Lightening, which is supposed to be similar to the "Seven Swordsman of the Mist" and the "12 Guardian Ninja" of the Land of fire (of which asuma was a part). So we can probably assume these were pretty elite ninjas, and it was 20 v 1.
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On February 16 2013 08:49 Fenrisulf wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 02:07 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 02:03 shark. wrote:On February 16 2013 01:53 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 01:49 shark. wrote: Weird that the inventor of the Reanimation jutsu can't free himself while others can. its all about how strong you are not how knowledgable So Tobirama is too weak to break his own jutsu despite being one of the strongest Shinobi that have ever lived. Sounds stupid to me. well hes the guy who got killed by only a few pursuers from cloud so hes already canonically a weakling not exactly a bunch of nobodies he supposedly died fighting the "Kinkaku Force" of the Land of Lightening, which is supposed to be similar to the "Seven Swordsman of the Mist" and the "12 Guardian Ninja" of the Land of fire (of which asuma was a part). So we can probably assume these were pretty elite ninjas, and it was 20 v 1. but the third raikage fought like 10 thousand ninja for 3 days before he finally croaked though and he and a 3 man team couldnt beat 20 people
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