On September 01 2014 09:17 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
it just look to easy to be over...
it just look to easy to be over...
Naruto saying "Now everyone can live happily ever after" is so troll. Might as well ask "What could possibly go wrong?"
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Zane
Romania3916 Posts
September 01 2014 18:30 GMT
#18641
On September 01 2014 09:17 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: it just look to easy to be over... Naruto saying "Now everyone can live happily ever after" is so troll. Might as well ask "What could possibly go wrong?" | ||
BigFan
TLADT24917 Posts
September 01 2014 18:39 GMT
#18642
On September 02 2014 02:28 Mataza wrote: Naruto wakes up. Timeskip didn't happen. It is still pre-timeskip and 12 year old Naruto had a fever dream(for 350 chapters...) after losing the fight with Sasuke. Real story unfolds from there. Chouji actually died from taking his 3 pills in the Sasuke Retrieval Arc. Neji lost partial control of his arm after his shoulder was crushed by an arrow in his fight with Kidoumaru. Shortly after winning against Naruto, Sasuke got tracked down and caught by ANBU and is currently under arrest and being interrogated. Since Kabuto fled there have been investigations about what he knew and for possible other spies that work for Orochimaru. Next story hook: Jiraiya visits Naruto in hospital. Naruto swears he will hunt down Orochimaru once he is fully healed. The story that would be pretty cool actually but then would feel so trollish at the same time that I'm sure kishi would lose any audience he's had left in an instant lol | ||
Rob-Zero
Germany438 Posts
September 01 2014 20:34 GMT
#18643
On September 02 2014 03:39 BigFan wrote: Show nested quote + On September 02 2014 02:28 Mataza wrote: Naruto wakes up. Timeskip didn't happen. It is still pre-timeskip and 12 year old Naruto had a fever dream(for 350 chapters...) after losing the fight with Sasuke. Real story unfolds from there. Chouji actually died from taking his 3 pills in the Sasuke Retrieval Arc. Neji lost partial control of his arm after his shoulder was crushed by an arrow in his fight with Kidoumaru. Shortly after winning against Naruto, Sasuke got tracked down and caught by ANBU and is currently under arrest and being interrogated. Since Kabuto fled there have been investigations about what he knew and for possible other spies that work for Orochimaru. Next story hook: Jiraiya visits Naruto in hospital. Naruto swears he will hunt down Orochimaru once he is fully healed. The story that would be pretty cool actually but then would feel so trollish at the same time that I'm sure kishi would lose any audience he's had left in an instant lol Hmm then i would say Naruto wakes up and realizes that he lost vs. Neji and everything after never happened. We see the full chuunin tournament without oro attacking the village and after that more tournaments and Naruto getting stronger step by step. Then at some point Oro comes into play again. I always thought that time when new characters were introduced and we saw a lot of 1on1s vs. schoolmates/rivals could have been stretched more. I would have loved it. | ||
Foblos
United States426 Posts
September 02 2014 04:06 GMT
#18644
On September 02 2014 05:34 Rob-Zero wrote: Show nested quote + On September 02 2014 03:39 BigFan wrote: On September 02 2014 02:28 Mataza wrote: Naruto wakes up. Timeskip didn't happen. It is still pre-timeskip and 12 year old Naruto had a fever dream(for 350 chapters...) after losing the fight with Sasuke. Real story unfolds from there. Chouji actually died from taking his 3 pills in the Sasuke Retrieval Arc. Neji lost partial control of his arm after his shoulder was crushed by an arrow in his fight with Kidoumaru. Shortly after winning against Naruto, Sasuke got tracked down and caught by ANBU and is currently under arrest and being interrogated. Since Kabuto fled there have been investigations about what he knew and for possible other spies that work for Orochimaru. Next story hook: Jiraiya visits Naruto in hospital. Naruto swears he will hunt down Orochimaru once he is fully healed. The story that would be pretty cool actually but then would feel so trollish at the same time that I'm sure kishi would lose any audience he's had left in an instant lol Hmm then i would say Naruto wakes up and realizes that he lost vs. Neji and everything after never happened. We see the full chuunin tournament without oro attacking the village and after that more tournaments and Naruto getting stronger step by step. Then at some point Oro comes into play again. I always thought that time when new characters were introduced and we saw a lot of 1on1s vs. schoolmates/rivals could have been stretched more. I would have loved it. I'd really hoped that they would develop the ranks more. I know some of the ninja gained new ranks between arcs and stuff but from what we actually saw I don't think anyone got past chunin | ||
BigFan
TLADT24917 Posts
September 02 2014 04:11 GMT
#18645
On September 02 2014 13:06 Foblos wrote: Show nested quote + On September 02 2014 05:34 Rob-Zero wrote: On September 02 2014 03:39 BigFan wrote: On September 02 2014 02:28 Mataza wrote: Naruto wakes up. Timeskip didn't happen. It is still pre-timeskip and 12 year old Naruto had a fever dream(for 350 chapters...) after losing the fight with Sasuke. Real story unfolds from there. Chouji actually died from taking his 3 pills in the Sasuke Retrieval Arc. Neji lost partial control of his arm after his shoulder was crushed by an arrow in his fight with Kidoumaru. Shortly after winning against Naruto, Sasuke got tracked down and caught by ANBU and is currently under arrest and being interrogated. Since Kabuto fled there have been investigations about what he knew and for possible other spies that work for Orochimaru. Next story hook: Jiraiya visits Naruto in hospital. Naruto swears he will hunt down Orochimaru once he is fully healed. The story that would be pretty cool actually but then would feel so trollish at the same time that I'm sure kishi would lose any audience he's had left in an instant lol Hmm then i would say Naruto wakes up and realizes that he lost vs. Neji and everything after never happened. We see the full chuunin tournament without oro attacking the village and after that more tournaments and Naruto getting stronger step by step. Then at some point Oro comes into play again. I always thought that time when new characters were introduced and we saw a lot of 1on1s vs. schoolmates/rivals could have been stretched more. I would have loved it. I'd really hoped that they would develop the ranks more. I know some of the ninja gained new ranks between arcs and stuff but from what we actually saw I don't think anyone got past chunin I think that's the case though like other people said, I would prefer we got more tourneys etc... those were always so much fun to watch. | ||
Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
September 02 2014 12:01 GMT
#18646
I would just be happy if Kishi would write story arcs that are actually ninja-y. Most of the techniques might as well be spells or called kamehameha. Or turning into the hulk. Chiyo vs Sasori was a good fight. The only other good one I can think of was Shikamaru vs Hidan. Just think about it: Traps and explosive Kunais. And he beat a voodoo priest that cannot physically die. Man, back then I was still hopeful. | ||
MoonfireSpam
United Kingdom1153 Posts
September 02 2014 17:36 GMT
#18647
On September 02 2014 21:01 Mataza wrote: That's why Dragon Ball had like 6 world tournaments. I would just be happy if Kishi would write story arcs that are actually ninja-y. Most of the techniques might as well be spells or called kamehameha. Or turning into the hulk. Chiyo vs Sasori was a good fight. The only other good one I can think of was Shikamaru vs Hidan. Just think about it: Traps and explosive Kunais. And he beat a voodoo priest that cannot physically die. Man, back then I was still hopeful. Shikamaru vs Temari and Lee vs Gaara was also awesome in the animu at least, just watched em both again. But yeah was way more fun when they used tools and tactics instead of just "BE MORE STRONG RWAR". | ||
BigFan
TLADT24917 Posts
September 02 2014 19:43 GMT
#18648
On September 03 2014 02:36 MoonfireSpam wrote: Show nested quote + On September 02 2014 21:01 Mataza wrote: That's why Dragon Ball had like 6 world tournaments. I would just be happy if Kishi would write story arcs that are actually ninja-y. Most of the techniques might as well be spells or called kamehameha. Or turning into the hulk. Chiyo vs Sasori was a good fight. The only other good one I can think of was Shikamaru vs Hidan. Just think about it: Traps and explosive Kunais. And he beat a voodoo priest that cannot physically die. Man, back then I was still hopeful. Shikamaru vs Temari and Lee vs Gaara was also awesome in the animu at least, just watched em both again. But yeah was way more fun when they used tools and tactics instead of just "BE MORE STRONG RWAR". Not sure why you guys are surprised, Kishi said his inspiration was dbz lol so as much as I would've also loved to see ninja tactics, tools etc... it as inevitable :/ | ||
Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
September 02 2014 20:32 GMT
#18649
Dragon ball(manga) ran from 1984 to 1995. And then came derivative works like GT, and games and movies(though not stellar) and so forth. It was the one big thing in the And unlike Naruto, Dragon ball found time for the odd slice of life bit or comedy bit every now and then(including characters that only hang around because they have been there the whole time). | ||
BigFan
TLADT24917 Posts
September 02 2014 21:27 GMT
#18650
On September 03 2014 05:32 Mataza wrote: About every shonen mangaka that is active now has been inspired by dragon ball. Dragon ball(manga) ran from 1984 to 1995. And then came derivative works like GT, and games and movies(though not stellar) and so forth. It was the one big thing in the And unlike Naruto, Dragon ball found time for the odd slice of life bit or comedy bit every now and then(including characters that only hang around because they have been there the whole time). well yes, of course. My point is that since Kishi was inspired by it, it's not surprising that he'll get sucked into the whole 'let's train more, gets more power' that the Saiyan constantly did. It could also be that he felt like he ran out of ideas with the timeskip so he just opted for power > all. Don't get me wrong, I still miss how moves actually had weaknesses, weren't overpowered etc... but can't do much about it. | ||
Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
September 02 2014 22:55 GMT
#18651
"Train and get stronger" was the main mode of becoming a better fighter in dragon ball. For Naruto the main more of being a better fighter was being a better ninja, outsmarting and outmaneuvering and laying better traps. It's a problem with the scope of battle, in my opinion. Kishi wanted Naruto to fight and beat a supernatural being. If not to say god, as in "the literally strongest thing that exists". Such things are always bad for stories. | ||
Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
September 03 2014 02:56 GMT
#18652
On September 03 2014 07:55 Mataza wrote: In that case I misunderstood you. My bad. "Train and get stronger" was the main mode of becoming a better fighter in dragon ball. For Naruto the main more of being a better fighter was being a better ninja, outsmarting and outmaneuvering and laying better traps. It's a problem with the scope of battle, in my opinion. Kishi wanted Naruto to fight and beat a supernatural being. If not to say god, as in "the literally strongest thing that exists". Such things are always bad for stories. Kishi passed the point of no return where being a better ninja stopped mattering when he introduced Shukaku | ||
NewSunshine
United States5651 Posts
September 03 2014 03:34 GMT
#18653
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BigFan
TLADT24917 Posts
September 03 2014 04:21 GMT
#18654
On September 03 2014 07:55 Mataza wrote: In that case I misunderstood you. My bad. "Train and get stronger" was the main mode of becoming a better fighter in dragon ball. For Naruto the main more of being a better fighter was being a better ninja, outsmarting and outmaneuvering and laying better traps. It's a problem with the scope of battle, in my opinion. Kishi wanted Naruto to fight and beat a supernatural being. If not to say god, as in "the literally strongest thing that exists". Such things are always bad for stories. No worries. Well, they did have it early on but Kishi just forgot about the outsmarting and outmaneuvering and settled for power > all. I don't like this supernatural being fight tbh. On September 03 2014 11:56 Forikorder wrote: Show nested quote + On September 03 2014 07:55 Mataza wrote: In that case I misunderstood you. My bad. "Train and get stronger" was the main mode of becoming a better fighter in dragon ball. For Naruto the main more of being a better fighter was being a better ninja, outsmarting and outmaneuvering and laying better traps. It's a problem with the scope of battle, in my opinion. Kishi wanted Naruto to fight and beat a supernatural being. If not to say god, as in "the literally strongest thing that exists". Such things are always bad for stories. Kishi passed the point of no return where being a better ninja stopped mattering when he introduced Shukaku I disagree, I don't think Shukaku being introduced was a problem. If anything, it made for an appreciation of those who were on the level of the Bijuu. You get a lot more respect for Hashirama, Madara etc... I think what happened is that Kishi just didn't know how to make ninja outsmart their opponents so he started adding OP abilities and made it all about power levels. Think of it this way: it's much easier to write a story where only several characters can compete with power. You don't need to explain anything lol. On September 03 2014 12:34 NewSunshine wrote: I rewatched a bunch of the older Shippuden episodes. Man are they good. They even still made a big deal about chakra natures and chakra forms, and what was weak against what. And it was really ninja-y too. *sigh* ya, they still do. I enjoyed the early parts of Shippuden. I think it's around the Pain arc (maybe after) that things started going downhill and we saw more of this more power rather than better ninja techniques. | ||
SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
September 03 2014 06:43 GMT
#18655
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Foblos
United States426 Posts
September 03 2014 07:35 GMT
#18656
On September 03 2014 07:55 Mataza wrote: In that case I misunderstood you. My bad. "Train and get stronger" was the main mode of becoming a better fighter in dragon ball. For Naruto the main more of being a better fighter was being a better ninja, outsmarting and outmaneuvering and laying better traps. It's a problem with the scope of battle, in my opinion. Kishi wanted Naruto to fight and beat a supernatural being. If not to say god, as in "the literally strongest thing that exists". Such things are always bad for stories. It's actually kind of common in Japanese media for the protagonist to fight and kill god. I'm not a big fan of that kind of story telling but I think it could have been done well if, along with getting stronger, the focus was on the tactics. Like we all keep saying | ||
Eshra
France1009 Posts
September 03 2014 09:25 GMT
#18657
On September 03 2014 15:43 SilverSkyLark wrote: do we have a new chapter today? Most likely not today. | ||
Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
September 03 2014 12:08 GMT
#18658
On September 03 2014 16:35 Foblos wrote: Show nested quote + On September 03 2014 07:55 Mataza wrote: In that case I misunderstood you. My bad. "Train and get stronger" was the main mode of becoming a better fighter in dragon ball. For Naruto the main more of being a better fighter was being a better ninja, outsmarting and outmaneuvering and laying better traps. It's a problem with the scope of battle, in my opinion. Kishi wanted Naruto to fight and beat a supernatural being. If not to say god, as in "the literally strongest thing that exists". Such things are always bad for stories. It's actually kind of common in Japanese media for the protagonist to fight and kill god. I'm not a big fan of that kind of story telling but I think it could have been done well if, along with getting stronger, the focus was on the tactics. Like we all keep saying I know that's a thing. I associate it more with japanese rpg's, all the way back to Final Fantasy 1 . From the top of my head, manga and anime have a far lower rate of fighting against god than games. Could be that I just had luck in which manga/anime I watched, but still. | ||
ArieDeOwner
Netherlands0 Posts
September 03 2014 13:33 GMT
#18659
On September 03 2014 21:08 Mataza wrote: Show nested quote + On September 03 2014 16:35 Foblos wrote: On September 03 2014 07:55 Mataza wrote: In that case I misunderstood you. My bad. "Train and get stronger" was the main mode of becoming a better fighter in dragon ball. For Naruto the main more of being a better fighter was being a better ninja, outsmarting and outmaneuvering and laying better traps. It's a problem with the scope of battle, in my opinion. Kishi wanted Naruto to fight and beat a supernatural being. If not to say god, as in "the literally strongest thing that exists". Such things are always bad for stories. It's actually kind of common in Japanese media for the protagonist to fight and kill god. I'm not a big fan of that kind of story telling but I think it could have been done well if, along with getting stronger, the focus was on the tactics. Like we all keep saying I know that's a thing. I associate it more with japanese rpg's, all the way back to Final Fantasy 1 . From the top of my head, manga and anime have a far lower rate of fighting against god than games. Could be that I just had luck in which manga/anime I watched, but still. This isn't just japanese storytelling, all most all of the myhologies incorperate this storyline in one way or another. Like Perseus slaying the gorgon or Cetus. Actually most of these stories I can think of are normal human -> adversity -> training -> super human. although perseus was a demi-god he wasn't battle ready at the start of the story. The big exception I can think of is the monkey king who was born powerfull and goes on a journey of repentence, trying to learn responsibility etc etc. | ||
freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
September 03 2014 14:40 GMT
#18660
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