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I liked Ep 3 as well. + Show Spoiler +I thought the actor portrayed him perfectly as this innocent, young and shy guy. I was thinking before the bank heist that just stop everyone masturbates to porn but then Bronn gave his speech that you're tied to the video forever and thought Bronn might be the hacker as well. In the end you end up feeling maybe both anger and sadness for the guy who masturbates to little kids.
Ep 1 concept was way too on the nose to my liking. Yeah, i don't like social media and the behavior around it but they went for the low hanging fruit here.
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On October 23 2016 07:29 Daray wrote:I liked Ep 3 as well. + Show Spoiler +I thought the actor portrayed him perfectly as this innocent, young and shy guy. I was thinking before the bank heist that just stop everyone masturbates to porn but then Bronn gave his speech that you're tied to the video forever and thought Bronn might be the hacker as well. In the end you end up feeling maybe both anger and sadness for the guy who masturbates to little kids. Ep 1 concept was way too on the nose to my liking. Yeah, i don't like social media and the behavior around it but they went for the low hanging fruit here. + Show Spoiler [episode 1] +This isn't only about social media though, it's about people interacting with each other in general. Everyone is fake to some extent, nobody is actually 100% himself because you are scared to not belong to the others, to not fit into the ideal. For what? I read people complaining that it's not subtle at all, but black mirror was never that subtle to begin with. Fucking a pig? The shows of the second episode in season 1? Cmon
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It wasn't really about the pig though, it was about the audience. Pointing to that scene as evidence the show lacks subtlety is ridiculous.
It'd be like me saying The Wire lacks subtlety cause of the scene where the detectives go around a crime scene only using the word 'fuck,' and I'd be dead wrong.
As for the first two eps of this new season, whilst very watchable, they haven't been up to the same standard as the original 7.
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I am not saying it was about the pig in general, but choosing the pig was a design choice, i am saying that on the surface the show always had these moments where it was over the top to get a point across, to get a certain reaction from the audience. Showing fat dudes eating unhealthy food in a tv show while the "idiot character" enjoys it very much isn't very subtle at all. I disagree that the two first episodes are any worse in that regard, it certainly feels different because of more budget, etc though. Maybe you think the episodes didn't have much to say, i would disagree with that as well though, at least to the notion that all 7 episodes of season 1 and 2 were better.
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I've watched the first 4 episodes now and the one thing that strikes me is that it really works as a whole series (as far as I've got anyway). Episode 4 was surprising to say the least but I very much enjoyed it.
I think judging each episode against the others is not really fair as they each try to say completely different things through different means. Its all subjective really, although there have been slight dips in quality, i'm fully aware that my favourite episodes might be other people's least favourite, just because of the nature of the show.
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I've seen the last three now as well and I definitely loved San Junipero and Hated in the Nation. Men Against Fire I felt was pretty weak because most of the actors just didn't seem to do a very good job. The third season was definitely more diverse in terms of genres they covered, but in many episodes the messages they wanted to get across just seemed very blunt. Especially the whole genocide thing in Men Against Fire was just too obvious.
I'd rank them in descending order : Shut Up San Junipero/Hated Playtest Nosedive Men Against Fire
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On October 23 2016 22:21 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2016 07:29 Daray wrote:I liked Ep 3 as well. + Show Spoiler +I thought the actor portrayed him perfectly as this innocent, young and shy guy. I was thinking before the bank heist that just stop everyone masturbates to porn but then Bronn gave his speech that you're tied to the video forever and thought Bronn might be the hacker as well. In the end you end up feeling maybe both anger and sadness for the guy who masturbates to little kids. Ep 1 concept was way too on the nose to my liking. Yeah, i don't like social media and the behavior around it but they went for the low hanging fruit here. + Show Spoiler [episode 1] +This isn't only about social media though, it's about people interacting with each other in general. Everyone is fake to some extent, nobody is actually 100% himself because you are scared to not belong to the others, to not fit into the ideal. For what? I read people complaining that it's not subtle at all, but black mirror was never that subtle to begin with. Fucking a pig? The shows of the second episode in season 1? Cmon
I can see that. I think it was also about social status. The 1% get all the perks and have an easy time keeping their status and the poorest 20% or so just get shit on. The episode just didn't resonate with me at all. It was ok but it didn't really make me ponder about these things.
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On October 23 2016 07:29 Daray wrote:I liked Ep 3 as well. + Show Spoiler +I thought the actor portrayed him perfectly as this innocent, young and shy guy. I was thinking before the bank heist that just stop everyone masturbates to porn but then Bronn gave his speech that you're tied to the video forever and thought Bronn might be the hacker as well. In the end you end up feeling maybe both anger and sadness for the guy who masturbates to little kids. Ep 1 concept was way too on the nose to my liking. Yeah, i don't like social media and the behavior around it but they went for the low hanging fruit here. i also thought 1ep was pretty bs, but today i saw this https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/58yktd/china_wants_to_give_all_of_its_citizens_a_score/
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great show finally we have a thread here
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On October 25 2016 00:53 ImFromPortugal wrote: great show finally we have a thread here Yeah i was quite surprised that it had no thread when i searched for it. I now watched episode 3 and 4 of the new season and quite liked both episodes. While there surely are some logic problems with 3 i still think it worked. Episode 4 was completely different than anything Black Mirror has done before, but it was beautiful nonetheless. If somebody wants to discuss it in detail pls use spoilers and just quote my comment i guess.
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I think a lot of people will be slightly disappointed with this third series when comparing it with the previous two. It hasn't gone down in quality but it does lack that dramatic plot twist. I was expecting the same cynical, raw, dark, almost painful at times type of satire. What I got instead were some lighter, neat little stories. The episodes also feel like they are unraveling a bit slower too.
Overall I would say the show is still strong, the plots are well thought, it still deals with social and emotional issues/situations, still has a bleak perspective on life... just has a different package now.
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there actually was a company that made an app that allowed to rate people no matter wether they signed in or not. It was shut down in the end, but imagine what could happen when the current facebook youth gets to be in the political places that are currently keeping these things in check.
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I only watched season 1 ep1/2, season 3 ep 1, 3, 4, 5. And the more episodes I watch, the more I realize the show is REALLY overrated. Most of them are plain boring, even the "action" ones (3x05). They make you think a bit, but not that much, because you quickly think "so what?". So with every episode you expect something nice, and you end up disappointed / feel like you lost your time. 3x03 was funny + Show Spoiler +especially if you think about the scene in which he gives the little girl her toy back knowing the twist :D and it still was too long... This could have been decent with a 25mn format, but one hour? The twists becomes obvious after you have watched one or two episodes...
Quite the damp squib.
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I would agree Season 3 was overhyped. It wasn't anywhere near as good as the first 2 seasons and that xmas special.
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I think it would have been fine if not all episodes were available at the same time. Season 1 (haven't seen the third episode yet) worked for me because I had no clue what I was going to watch and it was the first time I watched Black Mirror. Season 3 doesn't work in a binge format (even though I only watched like one episode a day, since I didn't watch any other show in between it was basically binge), you expect to be surprised at each episode but since you are used to it it doesn't work well. I'll wait for a bit before watching s2 and the end of s1 in order not to ruin it.
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On November 10 2016 21:44 Poopi wrote:I only watched season 1 ep1/2, season 3 ep 1, 3, 4, 5. And the more episodes I watch, the more I realize the show is REALLY overrated. Most of them are plain boring, even the "action" ones (3x05). They make you think a bit, but not that much, because you quickly think "so what?". So with every episode you expect something nice, and you end up disappointed / feel like you lost your time. 3x03 was funny + Show Spoiler +especially if you think about the scene in which he gives the little girl her toy back knowing the twist :D and it still was too long... This could have been decent with a 25mn format, but one hour? The twists becomes obvious after you have watched one or two episodes... Quite the damp squib. If you think it is boring you probably prefer plot driven shows, this isn't plot driven at all. While every episode has a nice little storyline it's not really what the show is about.
On November 10 2016 21:47 Scarecrow wrote: I would agree Season 3 was overhyped. It wasn't anywhere near as good as the first 2 seasons and that xmas special. The first season has episode 1 and the second has episode 3. Both are way worse than any episode in season 3. Season 3 has its issues with episode length (i would agree that every episode is a tad bit too long) but there really isn't much difference in writing quality and themes. It feels bigger though, i would guess you don't like that.
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Got a couple of my friends into this show... I'd say my top 3 would be
San Junipero Entire History of You Men Against Fire
San Junipero all day though...
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This show is quite brilliant. There are some weak eps but oh man are the strong ones great. :D
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On November 11 2016 10:44 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2016 21:47 Scarecrow wrote: I would agree Season 3 was overhyped. It wasn't anywhere near as good as the first 2 seasons and that xmas special. The first season has episode 1 and the second has episode 3. Both are way worse than any episode in season 3. Season 3 has its issues with episode length (i would agree that every episode is a tad bit too long) but there really isn't much difference in writing quality and themes. It feels bigger though, i would guess you don't like that. Bad guess. The thing is I found both of those episodes you mention to be better than all of season 3 besides San Junipero and Shut Up and Dance. The pig episode was an indictment of how the public loves to watch successful/powerful people debased and humiliated (tabloid/celebrity news in a nutshell) and the kidnapper made them see that. In the end it was effectively the people, who condemned the prime minister to the ordeal because so many of them wanted to see it happen. I found the revelation that the princess was released prior to the pig filming to be really powerful, and one of the best twists of any Black Mirror episode.
I also don't know why you're so critical of s2 e3 when it basically predicted the rise of someone like Donald Trump as a mascot of populist anger by tapping into anti-political/establishment sentiment.
Several episodes in S3 seemed to have less depth and I felt the writing quality did dip somewhat as it moved to netflix. Now that I think about it I think it's probably more due to the fact they had to work out 6 episodes instead of culling their ideas to produce the 3 best as they did with previous seasons. If they'd done that this season it would've been very similar in quality with San Junipero, Shut Up and Nosedive. Men against fire was particularly poorly executed and 'Playtest' was basically, 'technology' can be scary/dangerous!
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I've been disappoited by so many tv shows for the last 5 years. It just seem so generic pattern 2-3 first good episodes and then it just gets worse and worse each episode. Not only intelectually, but the acting gets really poor and the script gets really bad.. After you finished watching you feel so empty.
No this does not apply to Black Mirror. Black Mirror is really exceptional in effort, especially in the acting-feeling department. There was many times where after watching a episode a feeling persisted for some time a least, whether it was anger, fear, frustration or sometimes even some positive emotion.
The script seems to be not always 100% good but it is usually at least 50% good enough per episode. Also it seems noteworthy that some episodes last like hour and half which make them more of a small movie.
So my top 5: 1. Fifteen million merits (overall great acting, good script) 2. Playtest (great directing, ultimate mindfuck) 3. White bear (great mindfuck aswell) 4. San Junipero (great directing, the only true positive episode) 5. White Christmas (pretty good)
Nice idea but poor execution: 1. Nosedive (very powerful start but completely lost power at half of the story, could have been better) 2. Men against fire (could have been executed better) 3. The Entire History of You (very cool idea, could have been better)
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