On April 17 2014 02:19 ZasZ. wrote:
Small point but Olenna is her grandmother and Mace Tyrell's mother.
Small point but Olenna is her grandmother and Mace Tyrell's mother.
Wut I thought Mace Tyrell was her grandfather lol :o
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SkelA
Macedonia13017 Posts
April 16 2014 19:02 GMT
#21481
On April 17 2014 02:19 ZasZ. wrote: Show nested quote + On April 17 2014 02:15 Thalandros wrote: Looking at the final episodes, when Tyrion has to grab Joffrey's cup again, Margaery's mother (forgot her name for a second) keeps looking at the situation, kind of comforting.. For Tyrion it'd be too dangerous to do such a thing, I don't think anyone but paranoid Cersei might've suspected the Tryells. I'm sticking with either Margaery or her mother right now. Small point but Olenna is her grandmother and Mace Tyrell's mother. Wut I thought Mace Tyrell was her grandfather lol :o | ||
kamicom
United States180 Posts
April 16 2014 19:22 GMT
#21482
I don't remember what she said but I remember right when Joffrey started choking, she said something that was off-kilter. | ||
urboss
Austria1223 Posts
April 16 2014 20:09 GMT
#21483
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Assault_1
Canada1950 Posts
April 16 2014 20:10 GMT
#21484
On April 17 2014 05:09 urboss wrote: its +1 day than that | ||
Yoav
United States1874 Posts
April 16 2014 20:27 GMT
#21485
On April 16 2014 13:24 Lord Tolkien wrote: Show nested quote + On April 16 2014 10:47 Yoav wrote: So, while it's easy to get distracted by the murder mystery, we also got some interesting information this episode on the Fire God. A few distinct theological statements we've heard so far about this religion: 1) Our current plane is "hell" 2) Escape from this plane is desirable 3) Fire is the purest death 4) There is an effort to purify oneself of all evil, so that one is readied to pass on, but this can even be in the very act of death. 5) The Fire God is opposed by another god, described as a Darkness God 6) The Night is Dark and full of terrors We may go on to infer that the Darkness God has some relation to this world, probably as its creator. All the new information goes to push our understanding of this religion away from seeing this as Crystal Dragon Islam, and toward seeing it as a Crystal Dragon Manichaeism. Manichaeism is a first millenium religion that blended Christianity, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, Platonism and Gnostic elements to propose a strict dualism manifested both in the divine (good god, bad god) and the world (good spiritual world, bad material world). For an overview: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manichaeism Here's the S3 Lore video for the Lord of Light for some more info. As always, the comments MAY be dark and full of spoilers, if you visit the youtube page. I don't see one for this (currently), but care. Also, I would argue that it's much more Zoroastrian, which is where the Abrahamic religions and Manchiaeism derives its moral dualism between good and evil; a god of good and creation in an eternal struggle against an anti-thesis god of evil, with humanity playing an active role in the struggle. Heck, Zoroastrians have fire temples as their place of worship. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism Trust me, I am the first to say that Zoroastrians get short shrift. But Manicaeism is heavily Zoroastrian based (light/fire imagery for good, for example), but chiefly differ in their evaluation of the created order. Zoroastrians consider the created order to be the creation of God, while the chaos is the desire of the devil-figure. (The language God/devil is the best available, but must be freed of the Christian understanding of God being omnipotent). Manichees, on the other hand, believe the created world to be an evil, and see a higher, spritual plane as the desirable state. Note the parallel to the basic disagreement between the religions considered "Western" (Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Zoroastrianism) and those considered "Eastern" (Buddhism, Hinduism) regarding whether the world is basically good or basically evil. Edit: Just watched the video. Is that kosher to post? A lot of information not in the series so far about Thoros. | ||
ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
April 16 2014 20:28 GMT
#21486
On April 17 2014 05:10 Assault_1 wrote: its +1 day than that No it's not? Today is Wednesday, and it airs on Sunday (in the US) 4.5 hours from now. That's 4 days 4.5 hours. | ||
Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
April 16 2014 21:35 GMT
#21487
Also, I concede the point. The metaphysical aspect fits better for manchieasm. | ||
Zandar
Netherlands1541 Posts
April 16 2014 21:42 GMT
#21488
On April 17 2014 04:02 SkelA wrote: Show nested quote + On April 17 2014 02:19 ZasZ. wrote: On April 17 2014 02:15 Thalandros wrote: Looking at the final episodes, when Tyrion has to grab Joffrey's cup again, Margaery's mother (forgot her name for a second) keeps looking at the situation, kind of comforting.. For Tyrion it'd be too dangerous to do such a thing, I don't think anyone but paranoid Cersei might've suspected the Tryells. I'm sticking with either Margaery or her mother right now. Small point but Olenna is her grandmother and Mace Tyrell's mother. Wut I thought Mace Tyrell was her grandfather lol :o A funny moment was where Mace Tyrell wants to talk to Olenna and she just tells him "not now, I'm talking to lord Tywin" as if he was some little kid and not the lord of Highgarden. | ||
Zandar
Netherlands1541 Posts
April 16 2014 21:45 GMT
#21489
He even let baby Tyrion live just because he was a Lannister, while he really wanted to drown him in the sea. | ||
KwarK
United States40776 Posts
April 16 2014 22:01 GMT
#21490
On April 17 2014 06:45 Zandar wrote: Reading up a bit, many people say Tywin could also be the poisoner, but I don't think so. He even let baby Tyrion live just because he was a Lannister, while he really wanted to drown him in the sea. For the good of the family. Joffrey may not necessarily be for the good of the family, he was getting harder to control by the day and Margaery was clearly gaining influence over him. | ||
Excludos
Norway7685 Posts
April 16 2014 22:05 GMT
#21491
On April 17 2014 07:01 KwarK wrote: Show nested quote + On April 17 2014 06:45 Zandar wrote: Reading up a bit, many people say Tywin could also be the poisoner, but I don't think so. He even let baby Tyrion live just because he was a Lannister, while he really wanted to drown him in the sea. For the good of the family. Joffrey may not necessarily be for the good of the family, he was getting harder to control by the day and Margaery was clearly gaining influence over him. That would be amazingly far out of character for Tywin. He does everything for his family, even if they are jerks or oppose him. He wouldn't poison the child of his daughter (and son). Like the commenter above said, he even didn't kill Tyrion, even though tyrion indirectly killed his wife by birth, and was born a dwarf. Tyrion is probably the person Tywin hates most in the entire world, and he still doesn't kill him because he's family. | ||
Mafe
Germany5917 Posts
April 16 2014 22:12 GMT
#21492
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
April 16 2014 22:24 GMT
#21493
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Omnishroud
1073 Posts
April 16 2014 22:36 GMT
#21494
On April 17 2014 07:05 Excludos wrote: Show nested quote + On April 17 2014 07:01 KwarK wrote: On April 17 2014 06:45 Zandar wrote: Reading up a bit, many people say Tywin could also be the poisoner, but I don't think so. He even let baby Tyrion live just because he was a Lannister, while he really wanted to drown him in the sea. For the good of the family. Joffrey may not necessarily be for the good of the family, he was getting harder to control by the day and Margaery was clearly gaining influence over him. That would be amazingly far out of character for Tywin. He does everything for his family, even if they are jerks or oppose him. He wouldn't poison the child of his daughter (and son). Like the commenter above said, he even didn't kill Tyrion, even though tyrion indirectly killed his wife by birth, and was born a dwarf. Tyrion is probably the person Tywin hates most in the entire world, and he still doesn't kill him because he's family. Tyrion was born a dwarf and indirectly killed his mother. Both things he was entirely irresponsible for. He has undertaken many things for the lannister family and does his duty in the name of it, he brings no shame or threat to the family whatsoever, he is, by all aspects, a loyal lannister. The only thing he's guilty of is liking whores, which all of westeros seems to partake in. What exactly would make it out of character for tywin to kill joffrey, the little prick who risks losing the entirety of the lannisters power, brings shame with his actions and is entirely bloodthirsty and near-impossible to control, causing exponential risk to the family and its name. Why in the world are these two things comparable? | ||
Assault_1
Canada1950 Posts
April 16 2014 22:41 GMT
#21495
On April 17 2014 05:28 ZasZ. wrote: Show nested quote + On April 17 2014 05:10 Assault_1 wrote: On April 17 2014 05:09 urboss wrote: its +1 day than that No it's not? Today is Wednesday, and it airs on Sunday (in the US) 4.5 hours from now. That's 4 days 4.5 hours. um yes it is? that thing says 3 days 2 hours, its in 4 days and 2 hours edit: nvm he fixed it, you can see it in my quote though! | ||
Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
April 16 2014 22:50 GMT
#21496
On April 17 2014 07:36 Omnishroud wrote: Show nested quote + On April 17 2014 07:05 Excludos wrote: On April 17 2014 07:01 KwarK wrote: On April 17 2014 06:45 Zandar wrote: Reading up a bit, many people say Tywin could also be the poisoner, but I don't think so. He even let baby Tyrion live just because he was a Lannister, while he really wanted to drown him in the sea. For the good of the family. Joffrey may not necessarily be for the good of the family, he was getting harder to control by the day and Margaery was clearly gaining influence over him. That would be amazingly far out of character for Tywin. He does everything for his family, even if they are jerks or oppose him. He wouldn't poison the child of his daughter (and son). Like the commenter above said, he even didn't kill Tyrion, even though tyrion indirectly killed his wife by birth, and was born a dwarf. Tyrion is probably the person Tywin hates most in the entire world, and he still doesn't kill him because he's family. Tyrion was born a dwarf and indirectly killed his mother. Both things he was entirely irresponsible for. He has undertaken many things for the lannister family and does his duty in the name of it, he brings no shame or threat to the family whatsoever, he is, by all aspects, a loyal lannister. The only thing he's guilty of is liking whores, which all of westeros seems to partake in. What exactly would make it out of character for tywin to kill joffrey, the little prick who risks losing the entirety of the lannisters power, brings shame with his actions and is entirely bloodthirsty and near-impossible to control, causing exponential risk to the family and its name. Why in the world are these two things comparable? Don't know about that, we saw right from the start of S1 that he has a reputation as a whoring drunkard. Not the most honorable appearance at all. Tywin brings it back up in S3 when Tyrion asks for his position of inheritance. | ||
Emnjay808
United States10625 Posts
April 16 2014 23:02 GMT
#21497
On April 17 2014 07:12 Mafe wrote: One question I wonder about is: Why would -whoever did it- kill Joffrey at his wedding, when so many eyes could have watched him? I mean circumstances are very different from Robb here: Most of Joffreys presumed killers should have a much easier time killing him at some other point (While Robb was out of reach for his enemies until he entered the Frey castle). Is this not only a murder, but also message at the same time? A public death makes it easier to manipulate the witnesses as to who the real culprit is. Thats why Sansa and the Fool skedaddled asap, even though they may have nothing to do with it. They had to avoid on-the-scene accusations so people dont start jumping the blame-wagon. Point in case, look at Cersei and Tyrion. She calls him out in front of everyone after Joffrey points at him, what do you think the witnesses will think after seeing that? | ||
Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
April 16 2014 23:07 GMT
#21498
On April 17 2014 08:02 Emnjay808 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 17 2014 07:12 Mafe wrote: One question I wonder about is: Why would -whoever did it- kill Joffrey at his wedding, when so many eyes could have watched him? I mean circumstances are very different from Robb here: Most of Joffreys presumed killers should have a much easier time killing him at some other point (While Robb was out of reach for his enemies until he entered the Frey castle). Is this not only a murder, but also message at the same time? Point in case, look at Cersei and Tyrion. She calls him out in front of everyone after Joffrey points at him, what do you think the witnesses will think after seeing that? That Joffrey was pointing at the realm's new king and that Cercei wanted him smexy for the ceremony, obviously. | ||
LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
April 16 2014 23:32 GMT
#21499
On April 17 2014 07:01 KwarK wrote: Show nested quote + On April 17 2014 06:45 Zandar wrote: Reading up a bit, many people say Tywin could also be the poisoner, but I don't think so. He even let baby Tyrion live just because he was a Lannister, while he really wanted to drown him in the sea. For the good of the family. Joffrey may not necessarily be for the good of the family, he was getting harder to control by the day and Margaery was clearly gaining influence over him. yeah but what good does killing him like this do to his family. His one son gets accused of the murder, his other son gets accused of failing to protect his king as the bodyguard commander, his daughter probably goes crazymode. | ||
Redox
Germany24793 Posts
April 16 2014 23:40 GMT
#21500
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