The daenerys scene in last episode was pretty badass, i enjoyed it.
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
The daenerys scene in last episode was pretty badass, i enjoyed it. | ||
LeeDawg
United States1306 Posts
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Excludos
Norway7685 Posts
On April 23 2014 04:23 LeeDawg wrote: -snip- I would edit that out real quick if I was you. | ||
Naphal
Germany2099 Posts
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Excludos
Norway7685 Posts
On April 23 2014 04:27 Naphal wrote: what dany not showing off their dragons? cgi too expensive or are they in their rebellious age? XD Considering we have been shown that she can't really control them anymore, it's a good guess she didn't bring them in case they just attacked the city. Also. CGI is really expensive you know! | ||
Maghetti
United States2429 Posts
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On April 23 2014 04:30 Maghetti wrote: In my opinion the only way to view the jaime scene is through the eyes of the director and their intent, at least when it comes to the storyline. Sure, the scene looks like rape, or at least way too close to rape, but the intent was to express a complicated scene where both parties wanted to have sex, but cersei didn't like doing it by her dead son, but ultimately goes with it and consents. You cannot hate on the jaime character just because the director messed up in how he portrayed the scene. The thing is, if you treat it as rape, and the show does not, then your expectations will be different. The show will not acknowledge it as rape. There will be no scenes of cersei accusing him or rape or anyone reacting to it. Nothing about him being inconsistent about rape(saving brienne then raping cersei). Be pissy with the director for their failure and move on and treat the jaime character as what they were trying to make him be. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_the_Author I don't think the scene was done very well at all and came of really weird, but I don't think people should be making such a big deal out of it. After all Jaime smashed that head of the teenage boy in just to escape, so people arguing that his character has been ruined just by this scene is a little absurd. | ||
karazax
United States3737 Posts
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Maghetti
United States2429 Posts
On April 23 2014 04:37 Nyxisto wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_the_Author I don't think the scene was done very well at all and came of really weird, but I don't think people should be making such a big deal out of it. After all Jaime smashed that head of the teenage boy in just to escape, so people arguing that his character has been ruined just by this scene is a little absurd. They should be making a big deal out of it. Jaime is supposed to be a changed man after his time with brienne. If they think he is a rapist they cannot take his change seriously and that is a false understanding of jaime, and we have the director to blame for that. | ||
RedFury
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Geo.Rion
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1. No, my Unsullied BAMF, i cannot risk you (again), i only got 7999 clones of you behind me 2. No, badass knight, whose whole purpose in life is to win duels, i wont risk your life on a DUEL 3. No, Lord Friendzone, i know i sent you and Greyworm into 100+ enemies couple episodes before this, and i had u fight every battle for me till now, but i wont gamble your life away (this time). 4. Hey, you, guy who's the sole reason the 2nd Sons company follows me, you, who alone guarantees the loyalty of 1/5 of my army, you, go and 1v1 that guy. edit1: BTw Daario threw that dagger like a total nub e2: I'm not even touching the Jamie scene, just erase it from your memory if u ask me. e3: Charles Dance's (Tywin) "Categorically" was one of the most amazing one word performance of an actor i have ever seen. I keep rewatching that Tywin-Oberyn scene, so incredibly good, just 10/10 performance on both sides. | ||
chillpenguin
United States90 Posts
On April 23 2014 05:32 Geo.Rion wrote: BTw Daario threw that dagger like a total nub New Daario just doesn't seem believable as a warrior/soldier/fighter/sellsword. | ||
Darkhorse
United States23454 Posts
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Thalandros
Netherlands1151 Posts
And I just get chills when I hear the ''Dracarys'' Soundtrack. God damn. | ||
JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On April 23 2014 02:25 brian wrote: haha I haven't seen the scene yet, but your reasoning is hilarious. the guys said it wasn't rape. that settles that. The girl hasn't said it was rape. Should probably wait to see what she has to say about it. Same as in real life. | ||
Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On April 23 2014 06:05 Thalandros wrote: To be honest, you saw Cersei consent in the last ten seconds of that scene. Didn't look like rape to me. It looked like he was forcing her, but in the end it didn't look (and wasn't) rape. You did? Where? | ||
FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
I think the Cersei and Jaime scene was very powerful, maybe minor tweaks in their acting, but I think there isn't much to change. I think it represented the personalities of their actors very well. And people keep hating on the Dany scenes... I can totally understand you don't like Dany, she obviously isn't the most rational person, as it has been shown time and time again. So I don't know why people are complaining about it when she makes irrational decisions. She's the boss, she can do as she pleases. She has other redeeming qualities that allow her to stay in control. I see where the people are coming from in complaining about her plot being too repetitive, but they need to develop Dany as a character, and not to mention all her companions, as I'm sure many of them are going to be significant in the plot later. Imagine she goes take King Landing with her army, but Tywin would kill Daario... If Daario was just some guy she met, had one scene in the bathtub with her, and then went to not be developed as a character, his death would have no significant impact. The motives for characters need to be developed. It seems like people just don't like Dany because of her character, and if that's the case, good! Root against her. What exactly do you want the writers/book to do to develop these characters? Each coup of the city is different, and it's easy to not see that when being so negative. Everything that happens builds well on Dany's character, as well as her companions. She should become a significant factor with the rest of the characters somewhat soon I think. Edit: Also, if that Jamie and Cersei scene was rape in your eyes, then I guess I "rape" my girlfriend on a weekly basis, opps. Couples have different sexual interests, and people just disliked these because it's rough by societies standard. And geez, they are or were in love with each other god dammit, it's totally normal, they even seem the kind to be a little wild when it comes to stuff like that. I think many couples will be in the kitchen, they need to put their kid to sleep, who is just playing upstairs, and the woman is making dinner, the man will come behind her, start kissing her, the wife will say not now, push him away, but still kiss him back, and then say "not now not now", and it happens anyway. In relationships, sex doesn't have to be 100% consensual. If my girlfriend is sleeping and I get on top of her, start kissing her neck, and then slowly have sex with her, she's not going to get mad. Just like how I wouldn't get mad if I woke up to a blowjob, even when I never gave consent to it. Even when I say no, she will do things to me, etc. With your partner if you don't want something, you need to be really stern, otherwise it shows you don't mind. And that's what Cersei did, she didn't fight back very hard, plus when you're horny, you might do something more "intense" than you normally would. Like when you masturbate, and then you finish, and you're almost disguised by what you were watching? Anyone? Anyway, point is, it's different between some girl you take home for the first time, or a woman you fuck from behind like a gorilla (when they pushed off Bran from the tower). If that really comes off as rape to you, I think you are extremely closed minded to different sexual fantasies and desires. Again, Cersei and Jamie make rough love, it's how they do it. Obviously stuff like doing it next to your dead son's body is a bit over the top, for most people, but it's definitely not out of the realm of imagination for these characters. | ||
Thalandros
Netherlands1151 Posts
She stopped struggling and laid down with him, and he didnt visibly hurt or injure her or w/e, so it's fair to assume she was okay with it. We know she WAS, just not at that specific place, which Jamie did force. If you just watch the final couple episodes, you can see she was at peace with it. On April 23 2014 06:20 FiWiFaKi wrote: Man, I'm really surprised this episode is getting this much hate from people. I think the Cersei and Jaime scene was very powerful, maybe minor tweaks in their acting, but I think there isn't much to change. I think it represented the personalities of their actors very well. And people keep hating on the Dany scenes... I can totally understand you don't like Dany, she obviously isn't the most rational person, as it has been shows again and again. So I don't know why people are complaining about it when she makes irrational decisions. She's the boss, she can do as she pleases. She has other redeeming qualities that allow her to stay in control. I see where the people are coming from in complaining about her plot being too repetitive, but they need to develop Dany as a character, and not to mention all her companions, as I'm sure many of them are going to be significant in the plot later. Imagine she goes take King Landing with her army, but Tywin would kill Daario... If Daario was just some guy she met, had one scene in the bathtub with her, and then went to not be developed as a character, his death would have no significant impact. The motives for characters need to be developed. It seems like people just don't like Dany because of her character, and if that's the case, good! Root against her. What exactly do you want the writers/book to do to develop these characters? Each coup of the city is different, and it's easy to not see that when being so negative. Everything that happens builds well on Dany's character, as well as her companions. She should become a significant factor with the rest of the characters somewhat soon I think. Edit: Also, if that Jamie and Cersei scene was rape in your eyes, then I guess I "rape" my girlfriend on a weekly basis, opps. Couples have different sexual interests, and people just disliked these because it's rough by societies standard. And geez, they are or were in love with each other god dammit, it's totally normal, they even seem the kind to be a little wild when it comes to stuff like that. I think many couples will be in the kitchen, they need to put their kid to sleep, who is just playing upstairs, and the woman is making dinner, the man will come behind her, start kissing her, the wife will say not now, push him away, but still kiss him back, and then say "not now not now", and it happens anyway. In relationships, sex doesn't have to be 100% consensual. If my girlfriend is sleeping and I get on top of her, start kissing her neck, and then slowly have sex with her, she's not going to get mad. Just like how I wouldn't get mad if I woke up to a blowjob, even when I never gave consent to it. Even when I say no, she will do things to me, etc. With your partner if you don't want something, you need to be really stern, otherwise it shows you don't mind. And that's what Cersei did, she didn't fight back very hard, plus when you're horny, you might do something more "intense" than you normally would. Like when you masturbate, and then you finish, and you're almost disguised by what you were watching? Anyone? Anyway, point is, it's different between some girl you take home for the first time, or a woman you fuck from behind like a Gorilla (when they pushed off Bron). If that really comes off as rape to you, I think you are extremely closed off different sexual fantasies and desires. Again, Cersei and Jamie make rough love, it's how they do it. Obviously stuff like doing it next to your dead son's body is a bit over the top, for most people, but it's definitely not out of the realm of imagination for these characters. Very well worded post - I agree wholeheartedly! I personally like Dany as I think her approach is different but good. it's much of the same, yes, but I think the writers want to go for a long building of story before she goes into action so that it shows and has more impact. Also CGI costs $$$. | ||
zatic
Zurich15233 Posts
On April 23 2014 05:32 Geo.Rion wrote: e3: Charles Dance's (Tywin) "Categorically" was one of the most amazing one word performance of an actor i have ever seen. I keep rewatching that Tywin-Oberyn scene, so incredibly good, just 10/10 performance on both sides. Seriously Tywin is just soooo good I am cheering every scene he appears in. Truly amazing performance. | ||
Conti
Germany2516 Posts
I'm perfectly fine with arguments saying that the director didn't intend it to be rape, or that that's just how Jaime and Cersei make love, or that it may or may not have been rape and we don't know what Cersei really thinks about it afterwards or whatever.. But comments that try to argue that it wasn't rape based on the scene alone, without any further context.. comments that basically say "she didn't struggle enough so it wasn't rape!" or "she clearly liked it!".. those comments just creep me the fuck out. | ||
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