Anime Discussion Thread - Page 6213
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
I understand your point, it's one I see being made often but I do wonder if it's outlived its usefulness. You say usefulness isn't important. I disagree there. Descriptors only matter because they are useful. If a new descriptor pops up to take over from the old then that makes the old redundant. So really yes, you are right. In the strictest sense you are 100% correct and there is no real argument here. It's merely if what was once correct has since changed with how people use these terms and if the terms themselves have morphed into something different. That I think is a discussion that can be had. It's interesting and useful :> | ||
Unleashing
Denmark14977 Posts
But they're not outliers, there's a ton of them, it's not just one or two or a dozen, it's a fairly significant chunk. At least i can't personally agree with calling them outliers when they're not rare and they don't differ from a norm, even if they aren't the majority. I don't have any actual statistics but i genuinely doubt that they make up some miniscule amount like sub 5% of the series in the demographics that'd make it appropriate to call those outliers. I would much rather say that certain tropes are more common in stories written for certain demographics, with the key word being more common, not a constant. A series in the comedy genre must have comedy elements, a series in the adventure genre must have adventure elements. However a series written for the shounen demographic? Well, there's no rules, there's no restrictions or must-haves, there's just things that are more common and typically used because they have been found to have a general appeal to the demographic at hand, such as a focus on action, but not having a focus on action or even being completely different isn't odd. And to some degree that's the usefulness that comes with it, it's just a category, it's different from genres so i see no reason to dilute the meaning of the term by turning it into some half-baked term that just refers to action+adventure series combined, we already have genres to describe that. However by having the demographical categories we get a look into what those demographics like and enjoy, and that's far more meaningful and useful to me. We can see that the shounen demographic tends to really enjoy action shows, but we can also see that there's also a market there for series that are far more grounded and focus on character interaction and inter-personal drama, or even just pure comedy focused series. Also i did not say that usefulness isn't important for what it's worth, i said that i don't see the need for it to have a use beyond being a category for stories written for a certain audience. That is useful, as written above. I feel that if the term shounen is truly lost and just becomes a generic word for action/adventure focused series then that is an overall loss for the discussion of the medium. I feel that that'd dilute the ability to talk about the series that are encompassed by this incredibly large demographic. Especially because we already have a term for that, to use your word, "pseudo-genre": 'Battle shounen'. People use this term to specifically talk about those series all the time without diluting or imo ruining the terms other uses because they have another descriptor to make it clear which sub-section of the stories they're talking about. In the same vein one could talk about 'SoL shounen' or 'Romcom shounen' although those terms are rarely if ever use, it's a possibility. But the second shounen as a whole is just used to refer to battle shounens? Well then that option is lost. Then it loses so much of its usefulness as a term if you ask me. That ended up longer than i wanted it to be but i cba to rewrite it | ||
Harem
United States11390 Posts
On January 21 2018 01:11 Sentenal wrote: Sorta... Shounen is actually much more encompassing than just your standard DBZish Battle Manga, and typically when someone refers to "shounen", they are just referring to that specific type. Gundam and Evangelion are also both Shounen, for instance. One Piece is the best mecha too. Unrelated to above but Yuzu is the best. | ||
IceHism
United States1903 Posts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weekly_Shōnen_Jump But really, the words are only used for magazine publishers to say what demographic they are specifically catering to. Koi wa ameagari this season looks like a shoujo but it's in a seinen magazine for instance. or how about the famous manga Yotsuba&! which has like none of the common battle shounen tropes. | ||
eviltomahawk
United States11132 Posts
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lestye
United States4104 Posts
On January 21 2018 07:12 eviltomahawk wrote: FranXX is sexual innuendo the anime, with hot mechas Is it like aquarion or Daimidaler | ||
Unleashing
Denmark14977 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 21 2018 06:50 IceHism wrote: Whenever i hear shounen, it's usually some series from this magazine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weekly_Shōnen_Jump But really, the words are only used for magazine publishers to say what demographic they are specifically catering to. Koi wa ameagari this season looks like a shoujo but it's in a seinen magazine for instance. or how about the famous manga Yotsuba&! which has like none of the common battle shounen tropes. I think the first part is where it's at. When I hear people say the word shounen in english I specifically think not of shounen itself but just about Weekly Jump and what's in there. And even then probably just the ones that fit that bill a bit more. People just don't bring up Shounen unless they want to make that specific point, so everytime you actually hear it it does follow the pattern. Of course there are tons of different Shounen series out there and they don't really have to follow a pattern due to it being target audiance and not a genre, just that when they don't noone talks about it because why would they. | ||
abuse
Latvia1923 Posts
On January 21 2018 06:42 Harem wrote: One Piece is the best mecha too. Unrelated to above but Yuzu is the best. + Show Spoiler + | ||
Slaughter
United States20249 Posts
On January 21 2018 21:03 Unleashing wrote: I'm actually enjoying FranXX a lot, partly due to unintentional comedy but also because 002 is great Oh I think it is very much intentional. | ||
Unleashing
Denmark14977 Posts
On January 22 2018 00:42 Toadesstern wrote: I think the first part is where it's at. When I hear people say the word shounen in english I specifically think not of shounen itself but just about Weekly Jump and what's in there. And even then probably just the ones that fit that bill a bit more. People just don't bring up Shounen unless they want to make that specific point, so everytime you actually hear it it does follow the pattern. Of course there are tons of different Shounen series out there and they don't really have to follow a pattern due to it being target audiance and not a genre, just that when they don't noone talks about it because why would they. I don't generally discuss manga on TL but plenty of people bring up shounen when they don't want to talk about that specific type of shounen story from my experience, especially considering how many magazines use the word shounen to market themselves: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monthly_Shōnen_Magazine#2010s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monthly_Shōnen_Ace https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weekly_Shōnen_Sunday#Series https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weekly_Shōnen_Champion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monthly_Shōnen_Sirius https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weekly_Shōnen_Magazine And probably more that i forgot about. Perhaps, the series itself takes it all very seriously tho. Which makes it feel like the comedic aspect might be unintentional. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
The music is good and all but the visuals are just amazing. I'd say the very last scene in it + Show Spoiler + the rainbow Shaft in particular has that issue of sometimes just making things feel like some cheap copy&paste from other stuff they've done when it comes to styles. Mekaku City Actors vs Monogatari (in general) comes to mind for me here as an example. The former looked nice but to me it really felt like some recycled Monogatari stuff at times. This however I don't get that feeling at all. Yes it's similar to other 3-gatsu stuff they've done before and they're clearly sticking to that style within the series but it still feels like something unique to the series, and not just a copy&paste from a previous series with minor changes here and there. | ||
lestye
United States4104 Posts
Really glad there's a S2 on the way, the last fantasy world in anime I fell in love with, Rokka no Yusha, didnt do so hot, and the music and visuals are much better in this show. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On January 22 2018 03:51 Numy wrote: Oh man that guy knows how to lewd but doesn't know how to MC at all. Think that's enough to add to list at least... Pretty sure it's his intentional MO by now. His shit sells, so why change or make things deeper/more complex? | ||
Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Unleashing
Denmark14977 Posts
On January 22 2018 03:47 NeoIllusions wrote: I found out just yesterday that Darling in Franxx is by the same mangaka as To Love Ru/Black Cat. It's his newest series, basically just got serialized, and it already has an animu out. Such clout. It's not his series, he's just making the manga adaption. It's anime original. The authors are Atsushi Nishigori (Wrote Plastic memories) and Naotaka Hayashi (Done key animation and character design for shows like Gurren Lagannat gainax) | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On January 22 2018 04:19 Unleashing wrote: It's not his series, he's just making the manga adaption. It's anime original. The authors are Atsushi Nishigori (Wrote Plastic memories) and Naotaka Hayashi (Done key animation and character design for shows like Gurren Lagann) Ahh ok, thanks. I guess I misread the MAL entry, since Yabuki was the only name in that slot but it does just say (Art), so I originally thought it was all his. Just watched the first episode, was pretty fun. 02 is interesting enough for me to pick up the series. | ||
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