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On July 29 2014 06:54 Ecael wrote: The better a season is the fewer shows mj and toad can bring themselves to watch.
I think I'll check out sabagebu when I have a chance, hope it actually isn't like dfrag.
I think we've found ourselves the objective way of finding out what is the best season of all time. :3
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So does that make anime pre 2008 the Golden Age of Anime then?
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Last season was worse then this season
Also I just got to the part in UBW where
+ Show Spoiler +Lancer had to impale himself
rip Lancer, you were a bro.
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CuChu real bro
Funny how all lancers ends up that way, but CuChu is so much better than that sissy.
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On July 29 2014 10:15 ragz_gt wrote: CuChu real bro
Funny how all lancers ends up that way, but CuChu is so much better than that sissy.
I remember my reaction the second time. I was like "again? For real?" Lol.
Speaking of Fate, I find it weird that people always seem to say Saber strongest but her stats are pretty medicore in the VN (I don't even get why her noble fantasam is C rank, is that because in FSN Shirou was her master?). She wasn't exactly super strong in F/Z either.
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Yes, because Saber got gimped by Shirou + Show Spoiler +You see her stats with either Rin or Sakura as master?
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On July 29 2014 10:19 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2014 10:15 ragz_gt wrote: CuChu real bro
Funny how all lancers ends up that way, but CuChu is so much better than that sissy. I remember my reaction the second time. I was like "again? For real?" Lol. Speaking of Fate, I find it weird that people always seem to say Saber strongest but her stats are pretty medicore in the VN (I don't even get why her noble fantasam is C rank, is that because in FSN Shirou was her master?). She wasn't exactly super strong in F/Z either. Saber was above average with Kiritsugu (since Kiritsugu isn't much of a magus himself), but when Shirou is her master, shes shit because Shirou is a really shit magus. They talk about Magical Circuits and stuff in the VN. UBW Spoilers: + Show Spoiler +Saber's stats are super OP when Rin becomes Saber's master. This is because Rin is a powerful magus. The C rank for Saber's Noble Phantasm initially is just referring to Invisible Air. Her other Noble Phantasms are ranked A++ and EX.
edit: Actually I just looked at her stats with Kiritsugu, and they are still really formidable. Not the strongest we see of Saber, but leagues above Shirou-Saber.
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On July 29 2014 10:33 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2014 10:19 Slaughter wrote:On July 29 2014 10:15 ragz_gt wrote: CuChu real bro
Funny how all lancers ends up that way, but CuChu is so much better than that sissy. I remember my reaction the second time. I was like "again? For real?" Lol. Speaking of Fate, I find it weird that people always seem to say Saber strongest but her stats are pretty medicore in the VN (I don't even get why her noble fantasam is C rank, is that because in FSN Shirou was her master?). She wasn't exactly super strong in F/Z either. Saber was above average with Kiritsugu (since Kiritsugu isn't much of a magus himself), but when Shirou is her master, shes shit because Shirou is a really shit magus. They talk about Magical Circuits and stuff in the VN. UBW Spoilers: + Show Spoiler +Saber's stats are super OP when Rin becomes Saber's master. This is because Rin is a powerful magus. The C rank for Saber's Noble Phantasm initially is just referring to Invisible Air. Her other Noble Phantasms are ranked A++ and EX. edit: Actually I just looked at her stats with Kiritsugu, and they are still really formidable. Not the strongest we see of Saber, but leagues above Shirou-Saber.
Is Archer (Gilgamesh) the strongest of all Servant (in perfect condition ; aka him not being cocky)?
Or are there cases where Saber would be strongest, like paired with the right Master (which would justify her popularity) ?
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I always thought he just had a super strong NP(s) but other then that he wasn't especially that amazing.
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Honestly just because of the importance of being around for longer in Nasuverse. As long as Gilgamesh isn't underestimating his opponent and dicking around for no reason, there is really no way anyone is going to win against a properly utilized King's Treasury. At least, before we account for the monsters that we have in other parts of the universe.
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On July 29 2014 10:38 XenOmega wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2014 10:33 Sentenal wrote:On July 29 2014 10:19 Slaughter wrote:On July 29 2014 10:15 ragz_gt wrote: CuChu real bro
Funny how all lancers ends up that way, but CuChu is so much better than that sissy. I remember my reaction the second time. I was like "again? For real?" Lol. Speaking of Fate, I find it weird that people always seem to say Saber strongest but her stats are pretty medicore in the VN (I don't even get why her noble fantasam is C rank, is that because in FSN Shirou was her master?). She wasn't exactly super strong in F/Z either. Saber was above average with Kiritsugu (since Kiritsugu isn't much of a magus himself), but when Shirou is her master, shes shit because Shirou is a really shit magus. They talk about Magical Circuits and stuff in the VN. UBW Spoilers: + Show Spoiler +Saber's stats are super OP when Rin becomes Saber's master. This is because Rin is a powerful magus. The C rank for Saber's Noble Phantasm initially is just referring to Invisible Air. Her other Noble Phantasms are ranked A++ and EX. edit: Actually I just looked at her stats with Kiritsugu, and they are still really formidable. Not the strongest we see of Saber, but leagues above Shirou-Saber. Is Archer (Gilgamesh) the strongest of all Servant (in perfect condition ; aka him not being cocky)? Or are there cases where Saber would be strongest, like paired with the right Master (which would justify her popularity) ?
Archer status are all mediocre, except his noble phantasm, which is EX
Just happens that I have FSN on my comp from..... a long time ago: + Show Spoiler [Fate Saber] + + Show Spoiler [UBW Saber] + + Show Spoiler [HF Saber] +
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On July 29 2014 10:38 XenOmega wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2014 10:33 Sentenal wrote:On July 29 2014 10:19 Slaughter wrote:On July 29 2014 10:15 ragz_gt wrote: CuChu real bro
Funny how all lancers ends up that way, but CuChu is so much better than that sissy. I remember my reaction the second time. I was like "again? For real?" Lol. Speaking of Fate, I find it weird that people always seem to say Saber strongest but her stats are pretty medicore in the VN (I don't even get why her noble fantasam is C rank, is that because in FSN Shirou was her master?). She wasn't exactly super strong in F/Z either. Saber was above average with Kiritsugu (since Kiritsugu isn't much of a magus himself), but when Shirou is her master, shes shit because Shirou is a really shit magus. They talk about Magical Circuits and stuff in the VN. UBW Spoilers: + Show Spoiler +Saber's stats are super OP when Rin becomes Saber's master. This is because Rin is a powerful magus. The C rank for Saber's Noble Phantasm initially is just referring to Invisible Air. Her other Noble Phantasms are ranked A++ and EX. edit: Actually I just looked at her stats with Kiritsugu, and they are still really formidable. Not the strongest we see of Saber, but leagues above Shirou-Saber. Is Archer (Gilgamesh) the strongest of all Servant (in perfect condition ; aka him not being cocky)? Or are there cases where Saber would be strongest, like paired with the right Master (which would justify her popularity) ? Saber's popularity is completely independent from any combat prowess.
Anyway, questions like that mark when Type-Moon power levels start to get dumb. Gilgamesh's stats are balls. But hes Gilgamesh, so has pretty much every Noble Phantasm ever. But hes Gilgamesh, so has next to no idea how to use most of them. But hes Gilgamesh, so he has the strongest Noble Phantasm ever. But he still loses in every route, and not always because of arrogance. And Gilgamesh will never not be cocky, so the question is flawed in the first place.
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On July 29 2014 10:48 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2014 10:38 XenOmega wrote:On July 29 2014 10:33 Sentenal wrote:On July 29 2014 10:19 Slaughter wrote:On July 29 2014 10:15 ragz_gt wrote: CuChu real bro
Funny how all lancers ends up that way, but CuChu is so much better than that sissy. I remember my reaction the second time. I was like "again? For real?" Lol. Speaking of Fate, I find it weird that people always seem to say Saber strongest but her stats are pretty medicore in the VN (I don't even get why her noble fantasam is C rank, is that because in FSN Shirou was her master?). She wasn't exactly super strong in F/Z either. Saber was above average with Kiritsugu (since Kiritsugu isn't much of a magus himself), but when Shirou is her master, shes shit because Shirou is a really shit magus. They talk about Magical Circuits and stuff in the VN. UBW Spoilers: + Show Spoiler +Saber's stats are super OP when Rin becomes Saber's master. This is because Rin is a powerful magus. The C rank for Saber's Noble Phantasm initially is just referring to Invisible Air. Her other Noble Phantasms are ranked A++ and EX. edit: Actually I just looked at her stats with Kiritsugu, and they are still really formidable. Not the strongest we see of Saber, but leagues above Shirou-Saber. Is Archer (Gilgamesh) the strongest of all Servant (in perfect condition ; aka him not being cocky)? Or are there cases where Saber would be strongest, like paired with the right Master (which would justify her popularity) ? Saber's popularity is completely independent from any combat prowess. Anyway, questions like that mark when Type-Moon power levels start to get dumb. Gilgamesh's stats are balls. But hes Gilgamesh, so has pretty much every Noble Phantasm ever. But hes Gilgamesh, so has next to no idea how to use most of them. But hes Gilgamesh, so he has the strongest Noble Phantasm ever. But he still loses in every route, and not always because of arrogance. And Gilgamesh will never not be cocky, so the question is flawed in the first place. I think the conclusion we should be drawing here is that shota Gil is really the strongest servant ever.
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That was my impression of him, all his stats aren't that great but when you can BS spam NP and have that one that is considered the best it doesn't matter. His arrogance was and always will be one of his weakpoints, along with how "rich" his vault is because its power is equal to his wealth essentially.
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One thing about Gil's stats though, it is possible that getting summoned as an archer has fucked with his stats. But if we were to restrict the class restriction on abilities then Fate would have absolutely nothing left to go by so best to just ignore that possibility~
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Archer is probably the best class for Gil.
Saber/Lancer - Gil has shit melee combat skills.
Berserker - Lose access to Gate
Caster/Assassin - He'll probably kill the summoner for summoning him as a mongrel, good for nothing class.
Rider - Possible, considering the class's defining trait is their NP. But you're trading Independent Action for Riding A+. Stats wise, I'm not really sure about the difference, but I don't think Rider has much/any advantage over Archer.
Gil is the strongest Servant due to how broken Ea is, if you take that away, he's only high tier. Saber with a proper master can probably take him, or Hercules with a proper class/Hercules with Mad Enhancement turned on
So I started the FSN VN and Christ I forgot just how much of an idiot Shirou is. I was hoping it was the anime that was making him look bad.
You'll be waiting for a while. The only passable Shirou (IMO) is Heaven's Feel, but you have to run through Fate and UBW first. Or you could get the Realta Nua version (+ Patch from Beast Lair) and just play HF.
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Canada8025 Posts
On July 29 2014 10:50 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2014 10:48 Sentenal wrote:On July 29 2014 10:38 XenOmega wrote:On July 29 2014 10:33 Sentenal wrote:On July 29 2014 10:19 Slaughter wrote:On July 29 2014 10:15 ragz_gt wrote: CuChu real bro
Funny how all lancers ends up that way, but CuChu is so much better than that sissy. I remember my reaction the second time. I was like "again? For real?" Lol. Speaking of Fate, I find it weird that people always seem to say Saber strongest but her stats are pretty medicore in the VN (I don't even get why her noble fantasam is C rank, is that because in FSN Shirou was her master?). She wasn't exactly super strong in F/Z either. Saber was above average with Kiritsugu (since Kiritsugu isn't much of a magus himself), but when Shirou is her master, shes shit because Shirou is a really shit magus. They talk about Magical Circuits and stuff in the VN. UBW Spoilers: + Show Spoiler +Saber's stats are super OP when Rin becomes Saber's master. This is because Rin is a powerful magus. The C rank for Saber's Noble Phantasm initially is just referring to Invisible Air. Her other Noble Phantasms are ranked A++ and EX. edit: Actually I just looked at her stats with Kiritsugu, and they are still really formidable. Not the strongest we see of Saber, but leagues above Shirou-Saber. Is Archer (Gilgamesh) the strongest of all Servant (in perfect condition ; aka him not being cocky)? Or are there cases where Saber would be strongest, like paired with the right Master (which would justify her popularity) ? Saber's popularity is completely independent from any combat prowess. Anyway, questions like that mark when Type-Moon power levels start to get dumb. Gilgamesh's stats are balls. But hes Gilgamesh, so has pretty much every Noble Phantasm ever. But hes Gilgamesh, so has next to no idea how to use most of them. But hes Gilgamesh, so he has the strongest Noble Phantasm ever. But he still loses in every route, and not always because of arrogance. And Gilgamesh will never not be cocky, so the question is flawed in the first place. I think the conclusion we should be drawing here is that shota Gil is really the strongest servant ever. And the best character~
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Did they say he would lose access to the Gates of Bablyon if he was a Berserker? I don't remember that.
Beyond that, Gilgamesh would be essentially the same regardless of what Class he is in, assuming he still can use his Noble Phantasms... And there isn't anything saying he couldn't. Gilgamesh would still be able to bust out Ea as a Saber class, for example.
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I'm pretty sure Berserker = Losing access to all active abilities, but gain Mad Enhancement. Which is why Lancelot still had that convert random stuff to weapon ability, and Hercules with God Hand.
And just because Gil has a bunch of melee weapons, doesn't mean he can use it to a lancer/saber level
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Mad Enhancement probably would rob access to Gate, idr the exact wording that was used for it though. I think it was along the lines of losing intellect for 2 ranks on stats while increasing prana usage.
In terms of the knight classes and Rider the differences would probably be just stats. Gil being bad at melee doesn't have its ground in anything other than the fact that he doesn't want to fight in melee combat.
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