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On September 18 2014 02:52 andyrau wrote: rofl the mc's personality in LH is just an aggregation of tropes
Idk, I feel like I could say this about every character that exists in fiction.
That's like saying every piece of music is an aggregation of notes, it's all the same.
It's probably the majority that fit with that description but there is still a lot of fictional characters that aren't _just_ an aggregation of tropes.
I suppose the message i wanted to convey was too vague. Often times, i see people(not necessarily people here, just general observation) who think tropes are some sort of indicator of "objective quality"(i probably internalized this as well after getting it shoved at me relentlessly over the years) when in reality they are only just categories and trends. Your personal biases will affect how you see each tropes. What really matters is how the tropes are used or executed.
Fictional characters that didn't belong to a trope before just become a new trope. The database never stops
On September 18 2014 02:52 andyrau wrote: rofl the mc's personality in LH is just an aggregation of tropes
Idk, I feel like I could say this about every character that exists in fiction.
And you would be correct.
On September 16 2014 19:54 AbareKiller wrote: @Slaughter Nozaki 55 out?
Also, when is Muv-Luv supposed to get good? All I'm seeing is an average dating sim with bad arts and a Matou Shinji tier character for a MC
Just now noticed this. Matou Shinji? How they fuck is Takeru anything like him, even in Extra? I mean, assuming you read all of FSN, there should be no way this comparison works lol
Well, he was affiliated with the Einzbern, at least. But yeah, Ilya is Kiritsugu's daughter.
See people, this is good fellow right here is a good case example of why you don't watch Fate/Zero before reading FSN. Things like the spoiler in his spoiler would have absolutely no impact if you do the wrong order, since F/Z just treats it very matter-of-factly. And he isn't even up to Heaven's Feel yet.
Oh yeah, I know Sent doesn't like rambling. Doesn't like to hear me rambling. But it shouldn't mean that Sent doesn't like me, right?
Anime discussion threads always bring the best of us to light. I am happy to see you too, pal.
Of course I like you, I like everyone. Except people who make posts like this:+ Show Spoiler +
BigFan wrote: I've only ever watched the original gundam show and I liked how serious it was. I [..] hate how the newer gundam shows have moved in a such direction where previously, gundams were considered a weapon of immense power in the hands of a capable user but in the new shows, they were relegated to be less than that. When I watched 0079, they talked about how serious gundam were, as in piloting one, using it etc... was something that only certain people can do. Point? This statement I made: "gundams were considered a weapon of immense power in the hands of a capable user" isn't false. A single gundam could change the course of a war and only several were built. They were considered powerful etc... so I'm not sure where my statement was wrong. cmon, everytime a gundam appeared, everyone would cry themselves because they were that feared.
Some God wrote: As far as the original, the Gundam was a superior mobile suit compared to things like the Zaku and Gouf, however later on in the series it was outclassed. I'm fairly certain even Gelgoogs had superior specs to the original gundam, not to mention the many mobile amors like the Big Zam. The original Gundam had slightly better amor than things like the Zaku, and had a beam rifle, the first of its kind. These advantages went away as the series progressed. The war wasn't even won by the Gundam. It was won due to the Zabi family falling apart, and the Federation's production of GMs. The Gundam was made fearsome, not really by being a gundam, but because of its pilot. However, later Gundams would actually do the opposite of this, where Gundams go from "a little better than the competition" to weapons of mass destruction capable of ending civilization itself.
ya, it became outclassed but then once they got the upgrades, they rose up again. I can't remember Heero's last gundam(00 if I recall) but that thing was more powerful than any other gundam or weapon barring epion(sp?) and in a way, it keeps my statement valid since you can still upgrade gundam. They weren't a powerful tool for all time but could be kept at that level with upgrades. After all, they were a mobile suit but it was the pilot who had to well, pilot it lol. [...] I thought we were discussing the mid 1990s one so I was focusing on that. I never watched the first one so I can't comment on it.
(the paragraph in spoilers are actual quotes, as unbelievable as it seems, and in the midst of the same guy shitting on Gundam Build Fighters). Also, for the record, while I do like Gundam SEED, I don't really care for Lacus, while at the same time being a big fan of Tanaka Rie.
You really can't forgive Bigfan for mixing shows up can you.
I can't forgive unapologetic, people-pleasing liars.
I think you and I are thinking about different people, or you just have huge insulted gundam fanboy pride goggles on that influences how you see his posts. Either way, its not necessary for you to take shots at him half the time he posts about something, regardless of what it is or if you are involved in the conversation.
On September 18 2014 02:52 andyrau wrote: rofl the mc's personality in LH is just an aggregation of tropes
Idk, I feel like I could say this about every character that exists in fiction.
And you would be correct.
On September 16 2014 19:54 AbareKiller wrote: @Slaughter Nozaki 55 out?
Also, when is Muv-Luv supposed to get good? All I'm seeing is an average dating sim with bad arts and a Matou Shinji tier character for a MC
Just now noticed this. Matou Shinji? How they fuck is Takeru anything like him, even in Extra? I mean, assuming you read all of FSN, there should be no way this comparison works lol
Well, he was affiliated with the Einzbern, at least. But yeah, Ilya is Kiritsugu's daughter.
See people, this is good fellow right here is a good case example of why you don't watch Fate/Zero before reading FSN. Things like the spoiler in his spoiler would have absolutely no impact if you do the wrong order, since F/Z just treats it very matter-of-factly. And he isn't even up to Heaven's Feel yet.
Oh yeah, I know Sent doesn't like rambling. Doesn't like to hear me rambling. But it shouldn't mean that Sent doesn't like me, right?
Anime discussion threads always bring the best of us to light. I am happy to see you too, pal.
Of course I like you, I like everyone. Except people who make posts like this:+ Show Spoiler +
BigFan wrote: I've only ever watched the original gundam show and I liked how serious it was. I [..] hate how the newer gundam shows have moved in a such direction where previously, gundams were considered a weapon of immense power in the hands of a capable user but in the new shows, they were relegated to be less than that. When I watched 0079, they talked about how serious gundam were, as in piloting one, using it etc... was something that only certain people can do. Point? This statement I made: "gundams were considered a weapon of immense power in the hands of a capable user" isn't false. A single gundam could change the course of a war and only several were built. They were considered powerful etc... so I'm not sure where my statement was wrong. cmon, everytime a gundam appeared, everyone would cry themselves because they were that feared.
Some God wrote: As far as the original, the Gundam was a superior mobile suit compared to things like the Zaku and Gouf, however later on in the series it was outclassed. I'm fairly certain even Gelgoogs had superior specs to the original gundam, not to mention the many mobile amors like the Big Zam. The original Gundam had slightly better amor than things like the Zaku, and had a beam rifle, the first of its kind. These advantages went away as the series progressed. The war wasn't even won by the Gundam. It was won due to the Zabi family falling apart, and the Federation's production of GMs. The Gundam was made fearsome, not really by being a gundam, but because of its pilot. However, later Gundams would actually do the opposite of this, where Gundams go from "a little better than the competition" to weapons of mass destruction capable of ending civilization itself.
ya, it became outclassed but then once they got the upgrades, they rose up again. I can't remember Heero's last gundam(00 if I recall) but that thing was more powerful than any other gundam or weapon barring epion(sp?) and in a way, it keeps my statement valid since you can still upgrade gundam. They weren't a powerful tool for all time but could be kept at that level with upgrades. After all, they were a mobile suit but it was the pilot who had to well, pilot it lol. [...] I thought we were discussing the mid 1990s one so I was focusing on that. I never watched the first one so I can't comment on it.
(the paragraph in spoilers are actual quotes, as unbelievable as it seems, and in the midst of the same guy shitting on Gundam Build Fighters). Also, for the record, while I do like Gundam SEED, I don't really care for Lacus, while at the same time being a big fan of Tanaka Rie.
You really can't forgive Bigfan for mixing shows up can you.
I can't forgive unapologetic, people-pleasing liars.
I think you and I are thinking about different people, or you just have huge insulted gundam fanboy pride goggles on that influences how you see his posts. Either way, its not necessary for you to take shots at him half the time he posts about something, regardless of what it is or if you are involved in the conversation.
Well, even if Sent is being extreme, BigFan made 2 claims that don't work together 1) He has only ever seen the original gundam series 2) He never saw the original gundam series he also mixed up like 3 different gundam series together which makes the first claim really weird, and he never admitted he messed up or corrected himself, but just randomly changed what series he was talking about by saying he never watched the show he just said he had watched, so I can definitely see why Sent got so annoyed with him.
Mixing up stuff is fine as long as you own up to it. Anyway if anyone thinks I'm out of line, there are better ways to deal with it than derailing this thread over it. But for the record, insulting me isn't a good strategy to get me to change the way I post.
I find it hard to believe that Sentenal would take that "huge insulted gundam fanboy pride goggles" comment as an "insult" given the thick skin shown to have in the past. I don't think constantly giving BigFan that treatment is going to change anything either and could be seen as a series of insults as well.
Maybe it's time to rewatch some older stuff, getting bored with some of the current shows.
On September 18 2014 11:20 Slaughter wrote: I am kind of dreading the new season because there is a fair amount I want to watch but my available time to watch them goes down every week t.t
I previewed fall season and found out that there are something like 14 shows I'm interested in watching and another four or five I still want to at least try. I have more important things, damn you anime.
Eh, I could use with getting less sleep anyways, I'll probably be fine. Maybe.
Nagi no Asukara had some nice visuals and art, I really liked the underwater world.
Also Sent pls, like there is anyone who can change the way you post lol.
For the record in Extra/Unilimited Takaru(and no Shinji isn't a generic MC or an MC either) is your generic MC, you should read Alternative if you want to see the good stuff
On September 18 2014 11:17 blahz0r wrote: Hmm Ilya season 3 when zzz
I find it hard to believe that Sentenal would take that "huge insulted gundam fanboy pride goggles" comment as an "insult" given the thick skin shown to have in the past. I don't think constantly giving BigFan that treatment is going to change anything either and could be seen as a series of insults as well.
Maybe it's time to rewatch some older stuff, getting bored with some of the current shows.
Hmm back to what I said earlier, someone want to throw out random older shows? I'd rather rewatch something since I can't bring myself to finish some of the currently running shows. Or I can just wait till next season but meh =/
On September 18 2014 11:54 blahz0r wrote: Hmm back to what I said earlier, someone want to throw out random older shows? I'd rather rewatch something since I can't bring myself to finish some of the currently running shows. Or I can just wait till next season but meh =/
On September 18 2014 10:41 Sentenal wrote: Mixing up stuff is fine as long as you own up to it. Anyway if anyone thinks I'm out of line, there are better ways to deal with it than derailing this thread over it. But for the record, insulting me isn't a good strategy to get me to change the way I post.
Did you admit the possibility that there is a way to change the way you post ?
On September 18 2014 11:54 blahz0r wrote: Hmm back to what I said earlier, someone want to throw out random older shows? I'd rather rewatch something since I can't bring myself to finish some of the currently running shows. Or I can just wait till next season but meh =/
This show is amazing but the utter lack of romance is giving me a migraine. I mean it's action and I don't expect much, but absolute zero is just frustrating when there are so many good pairings. At this point I don't care if it's just one scene with side characters I couldn't care less about. Please. Just one.
On September 18 2014 11:54 blahz0r wrote: Hmm back to what I said earlier, someone want to throw out random older shows? I'd rather rewatch something since I can't bring myself to finish some of the currently running shows. Or I can just wait till next season but meh =/