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On February 01 2011 03:00 Autarch wrote: He is also Australian and doesn't look like a nerd, so I automatically love him.
George Sotiropoulos is my other man crush. I don't know about that, most pros don't even look like nerds. Artosis is the nerdiest of them all and he's pretty much on the godlike level of gorgeousness. Pimp out the glasses more.
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On January 31 2011 21:55 Space Invader wrote: And yes, ZvZ is currently very volatile and you can easily win or lose by the flip of a coin.
Stop saying that, this was true about 1-2 months ago but it's no longer valid. ZvZ has reached a very stable point right now and players like Ret and IdrA consider it their favourite MU because it is as Ret once said "the only MU that is fair". There's no coinflipping there.
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On February 01 2011 14:03 tangwhat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 21:55 Space Invader wrote: And yes, ZvZ is currently very volatile and you can easily win or lose by the flip of a coin. Stop saying that, this was true about 1-2 months ago but it's no longer valid. ZvZ has reached a very stable point right now and players like Ret and IdrA consider it their favourite MU because it is as Ret once said "the only MU that is fair". There's no coinflipping there. It's a lot of zerg's favourite matchup because of how weak zerg is with the current map pool, not because it isn't volatile.
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GLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADE
Sign me up! Aussie Zergs Hwaiting!
On February 01 2011 15:35 Space Invader wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2011 14:03 tangwhat wrote:On January 31 2011 21:55 Space Invader wrote: And yes, ZvZ is currently very volatile and you can easily win or lose by the flip of a coin. Stop saying that, this was true about 1-2 months ago but it's no longer valid. ZvZ has reached a very stable point right now and players like Ret and IdrA consider it their favourite MU because it is as Ret once said "the only MU that is fair". There's no coinflipping there. It's a lot of zerg's favourite matchup because of how weak zerg is with the current map pool, not because it isn't volatile.
It's may be a match up that can be decided by the slightest thing, so in that regard it is volatile. But it is very very far from a coinflip or luck based match up.
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On January 31 2011 20:35 Stabby.aus wrote: you better wear something australian into the GSL player boxes
GL HF any relation to commander stab?
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mOOnGLaDe doing what he does best, owning face.
I support the man in all endeavours, plus, his stream was awesome
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lol moonglade has sick hair, wonder how long that takes him :D Movie star user~
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haha he DOES have amazing hair!
sign me up ^^
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after reading all of Space Invaders post, shouldn't a mod have decided he's a troll and ban him?
also
go go mOOnGLaDe I has a dang big man crush on you.
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On January 31 2011 21:55 Space Invader wrote: Blah blah blah ...
I think Space Invader needs to GTFO of this fan thread. Thanks
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On February 01 2011 16:33 MooiSh wrote: It's may be a match up that can be decided by the slightest thing, so in that regard it is volatile. But it is very very far from a coinflip or luck based match up. It's a coinflip because build-order losses are so common. If you go pool first and the other Zerg goes hatch first you're basically all in because you're so far behind. If you go hatch first and the other Zerg goes 9pool then you'll normally lose, I've held off 9pools without getting behind going 15hatch before but 90% of the time if you don't die outright you'll be behind. If you go Baneling and the other Zerg goes Roach you're again so far behind that you either have to go all in or rely on a mistake by them. If you don't scout extremely well, or can't, and they go all-in you will normally lose. And there's so many other situations where you can just lose outright because their build beats your build. Most of the time scouting is pretty unreliable which doesn't help at all.
Please stop flaming me and calling me a troll, I haven't trolled anywhere in this thread, I made one joke thread and that's it.
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On February 01 2011 22:43 Space Invader wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2011 16:33 MooiSh wrote: It's may be a match up that can be decided by the slightest thing, so in that regard it is volatile. But it is very very far from a coinflip or luck based match up. It's a coinflip because build-order losses are so common. If you go pool first and the other Zerg goes hatch first you're basically all in because you're so far behind. If you go hatch first and the other Zerg goes 9pool then you'll normally lose, I've held off 9pools without getting behind going 15hatch before but 90% of the time if you don't die outright you'll be behind. If you go Baneling and the other Zerg goes Roach you're again so far behind that you either have to go all in or rely on a mistake by them. If you don't scout extremely well, or can't, and they go all-in you will normally lose. And there's so many other situations where you can just lose outright because their build beats your build. Most of the time scouting is pretty unreliable which doesn't help at all. Please stop flaming me and calling me a troll, I haven't trolled anywhere in this thread, I made one joke thread and that's it.
Don't hatch first without scouting. Going 14 gas/14 pool your first 4 lings can enter his base and scout a baneling nest or roach warren building before your baneling nest finishes so you can snap cancel it. Also going pool before hatch isn't an autolose, it's definitely a lot harder to come back and could be construed as a BO loss but I see IdrA do it a fair amount and it's always the same response, so it seems he has found a transition at least to even out the field. I mean your entire post feels outdated, all your points were all trueish a month ago but at this point they're pretty invalid. You should maybe watch Mr. Bitter's ZvZ Foundation VOD with LiquidRet.
Don't get offended that people are calling you a troll, it's just that you seem really confident about stuff that is no longer true. That and saying "scouting is pretty unreliable" is pretty erroneous. I find ZvZ the easiest matchup to scout with actually what with no walloffs and overseers after you both hit lair tech. I mean by the time you no longer get enough information with lings is around the time you'll have an overseer anyway.
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On February 01 2011 22:57 tangwhat wrote: Don't hatch first without scouting. Going 14 gas/14 pool your first 4 lings can enter his base and scout a baneling nest or roach warren building before your baneling nest finishes so you can snap cancel it. Also going pool before hatch isn't an autolose, it's definitely a lot harder to come back and could be construed as a BO loss but I see IdrA do it a fair amount and it's always the same response, so it seems he has found a transition at least to even out the field. I mean your entire post feels outdated, all your points were all trueish a month ago but at this point they're pretty invalid. You should maybe watch Mr. Bitter's ZvZ Foundation VOD with LiquidRet.
Don't get offended that people are calling you a troll, it's just that you seem really confident about stuff that is no longer true. That and saying "scouting is pretty unreliable" is pretty erroneous. I find ZvZ the easiest matchup to scout with actually what with no walloffs and overseers after you both hit lair tech. I mean by the time you no longer get enough information with lings is around the time you'll have an overseer anyway.
In ZvZ it's more efficient to hatch first without scouting, I feel pretty confident holding off any pressure unless they go allin which is a different situation. The reason IdrA wins with pool first is actually basically because ZvZ can be so luck-based, as well as the fact that he's just a lot better than most of them. I've watched all of Mr. Bitter's videos, I don't lose ZvZs because of a lack of understanding but just because they go allin and I haven't prepared sufficiently.
The thing with scouting is, yeah once you get to Lair you have Overseers and speed upgrade, but that's not the dangerous point of the game. The point of the game where scouting really matters and where it's most-often denied is in the first few minutes, because the pool-firsting Zerg has map control the only way you can get information is with Overlords - that is, checking his expo. Some Zergs will make the expo, though, and then proceed to allin. So its not always reliable.
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Don't complain about losing to 9pool and earlier when you hatch first then? It's got nothing to do with luck, if you don't scout you have to accept that you will inevitably lose to a 9pool occasionally, if you drone scout then you will never lose to a 9pool. Also I don't know how you can say IdrA wins because ZvZ is luck-based then go on to say in the exact same sentence that he's better than them. If it was luck-based he wouldn't be beating them because he was better than them. I don't even see how it's luck-based, there's a small timing window for IdrA to attack with in order to set the hatch first on the backfoot so that IdrA can catch up in the macro game. This is a case of someone understanding the matchup and being better, it's got nothing to do with luck. I don't even know how you can actually say you can't scout with lings early on in the game, zerg can't wall off and if you're running your first 4 lings straight into his base without waiting there's no possible way for you to not get scouting information. I don't know how you can be wrong so vehemently and make so many excuses for holes in your gameplay. You're not going to get better at the matchup if you keep saying you can't do this and you can't do that when high level ZvZ disproves literally everything you say.
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Sign me up!!!!!!
AUSSIE PRIDE!!!
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Seems like a really nice guy, hope he gets far in the GSL Sign me up!
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Went on a bit of a mOOnGLaDe day today! Watched him win the IEM again, then watched his interview with Artosis, then listened to an interview he did with TB. What a stand-out bloke. All round nice guy, humble, polite, good man.
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I'm going to do some more commentaries today of Glade and some other Aussie players from TA invitational - hopefully they'll be uploaded by tomorrow
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SIGN ME UP NOOOW :D
fiiiiiiiiightiiiing!!!
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Any word from glade to see how hes going in S.Korea? Hows the final month of prep going?
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