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Some points first...
1- 15k-16k is what I am expecting to get should I sell on Magictraders.com (its the Website I've used during my active 'MTG career'). There are no Ebay fees, only paypal, and some sellers can even force the buyer to pay via Gift (to avoid fees), or even charge the fees!)
20k, is the value using Starcity games. HOWEVER, I will never be able to sell at SCG price (unless I'm extremely patient/ sell locally. On the internet, I do not believe I can get SCG price, except, perhaps, if the buyer really really really wants said cards. However, because its the internet, I doubt its hard to find a particular card.
2- 11,2k is the highest offer I received at the moment. Its from a shop (which is surprising!) Assuming I have MOTL price right (they base their price on Ebay sales), that about 70% of the 15-16k I can get, so that's about 4.8-5,8k$ loss.
Its huge, I agree. That's almost half of what I earn each year (I'm still a student)
The definition of staple can be hard, I fear. Is a card, like Chrome mox or Engineered Explosives a Staple? How about the foils from Legacy, are they staples? Or only for 'pimp', collectors, etc? I may be delusional, but I believe over 50% of my collection value is made of highly sellable cards.
3- The reason why I wanted to sell as a collection : Get rid of it. I tried for many years to sell individually, and I usually just get overwhelmed by the offers. I can't reply to everything everyday. Some people never bother to reply me. People get mad because I don't reply fast enough, etc.
Oh, and here's the list. I did not include the good commons and uncommons (that includes over 20 brainstorm, 7 sensei's divining top, goblins, aether vials, etc etc etc etc), and all the bulk C/UC/foils/rares
I'm waiting for the replies of some more shops/individuals (btw, anyone know of online shops that give a lot for collection?) Right, now only checked SCG, Coolstuffinc, trollandtoad and a bunch of local shops and guys
I think if I can get 12-13k, I'll be a happy man. Like I said, I am expecting around 15-16k by selling individually (on magictraders.com : maybe my prices are incorrect though). I think I can take a 3-4k loss, since i will be saving a lot of hours/days/weeks -----------
ARTIFACT rare 6x Chrome mox (NM) 3x Ethersworn Canonist (NM, 1 is French) 1x Spellskite (NM) 1x Phyrexian Metamorph (NM) 2x Pithing needle (NM 1x 10th, 1x kamigawa) 8x Lion's eye diamond (NM - to be checked, 2 are French) 2x Uba Mask 4x Phyrexian Dreadnought (1 italian? 3x nm, the italian is EX) 1x Crucible of Worlds (10th NM) 10x Engineered Explosives (NM)
MULTICOLOR rare 1x Vindicate (NM) 1x Gaddock Teeg (NM) 1x Loxodon Hierarch (NM-) 2x Meddling Mage (Planeshift NM-)
WHITE 2x Elspeth, Knight-Errant (NM) 4x Armageddon (different edition and condition) 2x decree of justice (around NM) 1x Humility (NM) 1x Story Circle (10th NM) 1x Serenity (NM-) 2x Ajani Goldmane (lorwyn, NM) 1x Pulse of the Fields (NM) 1x Puresteel Paladin (NM) 1x Blade splicer (NM) 1x Norn's annex (NM) 1x Student of warfare (French NM)
BLACK 1x doomsday (WL NM) 1x Doomsday (7th nm) 1x Extirpate (NM) 4x Tombstalker (NM) 4x Sinkhole (UNL, NM/nm-) 1x Glistening Oil (NM) 1x Phyrexian Obliterator (NM) 1x praetor's grasp
BLUE 2x Lord of Atlantis (1x revised NM- or EX+, 1x 6th in EX) 3x Serendib Efreet (around EX to NM-) 2x Chancellor of the Spires (NM) 3x trickbind (NM, 1 is FRENCH) 3x Divert (around NM, haven't checked) 1x Vendilion Clique (NM) 10x Force of Will (4 are signed, roughly 5 nm, 5 ex)
GREEN 4x Quirion dryad (Planeshift, around EX-nm) 1x Birthing Pod (NM) 1x Fresh Meat
LANDS 1x Wasteland 1x academy ruins (Japanese) 14x Bloodstained Mire (1 is EX, 4 are signed) 8x Windswept Heath 4x Flooded strand (signed) 11x Polluted delta (2ex, 4 signed ex/nm-) 1x Arid Mesa
DUALS 1 Savannah Revised EX 1x Savannah (alpha) http//i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss16/Nazgarel/Magic%20The%20Gathering/SavannahFRO NT.jpg http//i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss16/Nazgarel/Magic%20The%20Gathering/SavannahBack .jpg
4x Bayou (1 poor/gd, 1 ex, 1 nm/mint, 1 gd+/fn) 3x Plateau (2 FN, 1 EX) 2x scrubland (fn, 1nm) 8x Taiga (GD, fn, ex, 1ex+, 4NM/mint) 4x Badlands (1 gd, 3 NM/Mint) 7x Volcanic Island (3x EX/NM-, 4x NM/nm-) 14x Underground sea (4 are signed, condition range from GD to NM/Mint : roughly 5x nm, 4x fn, 1 gd and 4fn/ex signed) 3x Tundra (ex, NM, and NM/mint) 3x Tundra FBB (2 french GD and EX/EX+, 1 italian FN) http//i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss16/Nazgarel/Magic%20The%20Gathering/FBBTundraF ront.jpg http//i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss16/Nazgarel/Magic%20The%20Gathering/FBBTundraBa ck.jpg 12x Tropical Island (FN to NM/Mint : roughly 5nm, 1 ex+/nm, 5x ex, 2x fn) 4x FBB tropical island (2 French, EX+/NM, EX, 2 German NM/mint and EX+/NM-) 1x Tropical island (BETA, poor condition) http//i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss16/Nazgarel/Magic%20The%20Gathering/Tropica lBetaFRONT.jpg http//i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss16/Nazgarel/Magic%20The%20Gathering/Tropical BetaBACK.jpg
--------------------------------------- FOIL RARES 2x vendilion clique (original set) 2x Elspeth, knigth-errant (original set) 1x Crucible of Worlds (10th)
RED 1x Blood Moon (10th)
Green 1x Life from the loam 4x Tarmogoyf (around nm, nm-)
BLACK 2x Tombstalker 2x Ad nauseam 1x Damnation Textless 2x Extirpate
ARTIFACT 5x Chalice of the Void (1 Caliz del vacio, spanish?) 3x Pithing needle (from Kamigawa) 1x Powder Keg (dci) 3x Engineered Explosives
MULTICOLOR 3x Meddling mage (2 DCI, 1 from the newest set) 4x Knight of new alara (release)
WHITE 5x Wrath of God (Textless) 1x Akroma, Angel of Wrath (Legion) 1x pulse of the fields 2x Decree of justice (Scourge) 1x Ajani Goldmane (lorwyn) 3x Reya Dawnbringer (10th promo) BLUE 4x Stifle (scourge) 2x Cunning Wish (judgment) 1x trickbind
LANDS 2x karplusan forest (10th) 1x academy ruins 1x Mishra's factory (DCI) 4x Wasteland (Old art) All fetches are Onslaught 2x Bloodstained Mire (1 signed) 2x Wooded Foothills 5x Windswept heath (1 signed) 4x Misty rainforest 5x Flooded strand (1 is portuguese I believe and is around EX) 5x Polluted delta (1 is portuguese I believe, around nm-)
---------------------------------- FOILS C/UC All the foils are original set, unless stated otherwise. Most of the foils should be Around NM, NM-. I will check of course 2 Counterspell (MM), 1 Counterspell (FNM) 6x Brainstorm (1 exish) 4x Counterbalance 5x Daze 4x Standstill 1x Mystical tutor (promo) 4x Ponder 1x wonder (judgment) 4x spellsnare 1x cursecatcher 7x Nimble mongoose 4x Krosan Grip 2x Eternal Witness (dci) 4x Swords to plowshare 1x Enlightened tutor (6th) 3x Oblivion ring (lorwyn) 3x Trygon Predator 1x fire/ice FNM 5x Lorescale coatl 3x pyroclasm (8th) 1x goblin ringleader (dci) 1x pyrostatic pillar 1x Dark ritual (MM) 1x ghasly demise 2x dread return 1x golgari thug 4x Sensei's divining top (original) 2x lotus petal (promo) 3x tormod's crypt (2x dci, 1x Timespiral) 2x relic of progenitus 2x tolaria west 3x UNH mountain 2x UNH Island 1x UNH Plains 1x UNH Forest 1x UNH Swamp 2x urza's power plant (8th) 2x urza's mine (1 russian 9th, 8th)
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Holy...that's a quality collection!
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Oomf, I'd definitely take the 12K for that. The only cards I can imagine are full-value or past full value cards are the duals, the fetches, the foyl (haha) goyfs, foil Cliques. If those guys can carry the rest of that stuff to even...50%? I'd be really really happy.
EDIT: Oooh, foil Life from the Loam, that'll always be full value. Nothing really does what Life from the Loam does.
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Yeah, your collection is no surprise something a local shop would want. It has a fair number of easily moveable stuff and a fair number of things niche buyers would buy as well. That being said, the local shops would also have a more guarded offer meaning it's unlikely they'll budge from their offer. Do you have a major store near you at all? Like Troll and Toad, CFB, or Next Level Games. It might be worth the drive to one of them.
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I don't think you should think of the gap between your valuation and the offer to be "loss." That's your price. Keep in mind, you don't want to play Magic with these cards anymore - and you can't pay your tuition with these cards, you can't eat them, you can't buy fly clothes or HOTS.
Whoever buys this takes on the task of liquidating your inventory. Think of the gap as your price for the cash. You can't expect to sell a Brainstorm for full value anywhere. Even a card as sweet as Vindicate, you'll never sell for $25. They're just too available. I'd push hard for $14,500 for the whole collection and expect to land around $13,000.
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So..Judi, how do you see AVR Meta playing out? Can I play UW Control without counters? Should I still be playing counters and just board them out to the ramp decks? HALP - too lazy to analyze.
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On May 09 2012 14:48 slyboogie wrote: So..Judi, how do you see AVR Meta playing out? Can I play UW Control without counters? Should I still be playing counters and just board them out to the ramp decks? HALP - too lazy to analyze.
So basically courtesy of PV's article, not red Rites decks are on the up and up, except after playing with that version its pretty easily hated out. Esper control has some stupidly terrible unwinnable match ups depending on the build (different ones for different builds). UW control is like hilarious but also terrible against Delver unless you miracle them. If Hexproof Delver goes down, then sure UW control is well positioned, it has good match ups across the board. I am currently playing an Esper Walker Rites hybrid deck. UB isn't a deck right now.
The meta is going to be RG aggro (imo the best deck right now), and other 2drop.dec variants. Slayers Stronghold is stupidly good and should be the mainstay. I feel like Anthem-based Humans is better than RG aggro but nobody has found a comfortable list.
As for the counter-magic topic, right now its either Leak and nothing else or no counter magic. The format isn't built for Dissipates or Negates. You get more tapping out for Lingering Souls on turn 3 than leaving up counter mana. All the janky "combo" decks match up well against non-counter control, but with the exception of Boundless Shrine decks, the match ups are still very much winnable (its like 6-4 against the control deck). That being said, I don't have any counter magic in my deck and I haven't found a need to put them in. I am playing Ponders to smooth out draws and maintain consistency in its place. Basically, I rather dig for an answer rather than sit there and do nothing. The number of times where I wished I had a counterspell in hand is far less than the times I was thankful for playing Ponders. The problem for traditional control decks (draw-land-go) even before Caverns is your inability to "trade up" for your Mana Leaks and Dissipates. Sure you're more than happy to trade a Leak for a Titan, but are you happy that you have to trade a Leak for a 2 drop? Or a Lingering Souls? That makes setting up your end game to be much more difficult than before. If you wanto think about it differently, playing control in today's meta is like playing against a combo deck as a control player, except you don't know where in the combo you need to disrupt via counter-magic.
I do like the UW control shell though. 4x Pristine Talismans are pretty solid against the aggro decks and ramping out a turn 4 Day-Ponder and turn 4 Gideon isn't irrelevant. It is much weaker against the Ramp decks though since you are pretty relying on Tamiyo where as the Esper decks have Liliana/Sorin/Tamiyo.
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On May 10 2012 05:00 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 14:48 slyboogie wrote: So..Judi, how do you see AVR Meta playing out? Can I play UW Control without counters? Should I still be playing counters and just board them out to the ramp decks? HALP - too lazy to analyze. So basically courtesy of PV's article, not red Rites decks are on the up and up, except after playing with that version its pretty easily hated out. Esper control has some stupidly terrible unwinnable match ups depending on the build (different ones for different builds). UW control is like hilarious but also terrible against Delver unless you miracle them. If Hexproof Delver goes down, then sure UW control is well positioned, it has good match ups across the board. I am currently playing an Esper Walker Rites hybrid deck. UB isn't a deck right now. The meta is going to be RG aggro (imo the best deck right now), and other 2drop.dec variants. Slayers Stronghold is stupidly good and should be the mainstay. I feel like Anthem-based Humans is better than RG aggro but nobody has found a comfortable list. As for the counter-magic topic, right now its either Leak and nothing else or no counter magic. The format isn't built for Dissipates or Negates. You get more tapping out for Lingering Souls on turn 3 than leaving up counter mana. All the janky "combo" decks match up well against non-counter control, but with the exception of Boundless Shrine decks, the match ups are still very much winnable (its like 6-4 against the control deck). That being said, I don't have any counter magic in my deck and I haven't found a need to put them in. I am playing Ponders to smooth out draws and maintain consistency in its place. Basically, I rather dig for an answer rather than sit there and do nothing. The number of times where I wished I had a counterspell in hand is far less than the times I was thankful for playing Ponders. The problem for traditional control decks (draw-land-go) even before Caverns is your inability to "trade up" for your Mana Leaks and Dissipates. Sure you're more than happy to trade a Leak for a Titan, but are you happy that you have to trade a Leak for a 2 drop? Or a Lingering Souls? That makes setting up your end game to be much more difficult than before. If you wanto think about it differently, playing control in today's meta is like playing against a combo deck as a control player, except you don't know where in the combo you need to disrupt via counter-magic. I do like the UW control shell though. 4x Pristine Talismans are pretty solid against the aggro decks and ramping out a turn 4 Day-Ponder and turn 4 Gideon isn't irrelevant. It is much weaker against the Ramp decks though since you are pretty relying on Tamiyo where as the Esper decks have Liliana/Sorin/Tamiyo.
UW tapout was what, basically, I was considering. If Elspeth Tirel cost 2WW, we'd really be in business. I haven't tested much of this Standard, but I imagine Ramp is not in a terrible place either - but RG/RW Aggro might just be the way to go. Aggro's lame though .___.
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Ramp is in a terrible place. Basically you're stuck playing Inferno Titans cause you are going to behind any average aggro draw for any aggro build. You have Huntmasters, sure. So do they. You have turn 4 Titans (arguably your best draw). Their turn 4 could be threatening lethal if they aren't taking your Titan and beating you outright.
Against control, Ramp loses to Tamiyo/Liliana flatout and more importantly, Lingering Souls beats your formerly best turn 3 and turn 4 play, Garruks. It's in a worse position than any other archtype because it requires heavy player reading, you can't assume the tapout player isn't playing Mana Leaks, you also can't run better Titans (Inferno is atrocious against spot removal or sorcery speed removal) cause your match ups against aggro will suffer. Lingering Souls also have the added benefit of squeezing out Inkmoths of ramp decks. It's just a miserable spot to be in. You need to draw well and if you trip up on your card draw (drawing ramp after you have a billion lands, drawing Titans without ramp) means you just flat out start in the hole. So the deck is just inconsistent with very little (imo) payoff.
Which brings us to RG aggro which runs a much better (cards) curve and does all the things you really want to do with Wolf-Run in the first place (aka playing threats rather than lands or spells that get lands) and just go to town with Swords.
Elspeth I do not like in UW control. The reason I say this is because 5 is a very populated place for PWs. Gideon does more against aggro, Tamiyo does more against ramp/control, Jace does more against control, since you are UW and not Esper you don't have access to Lingering Souls (notice how this card keeps coming up). She only really does work if you get 2 turns with her since either 6 power or 3 power/3 life or board wipe is relevant, but she doesn't protect herself efficiently and is weak to.....anything that flies or just cheap red burn.
In either case, if you want to play control, I would rank Esper, UW, UB in that order of relevance (aka power level). I like where my Esper is sitting out and I am considering a few tweaks still, but basically you are either playing Consecrated Sphinxes or you are running the Sun Titan/Image line, both have access to Elesh provided you have access to white. Either has their benefits. The best thing I like about Esper which makes it significantly better than just straight UW is Sorin (both versions), 4-Sorin makes Lingering Souls a legit threat if you start making emblems or it makes Rites based decks or other PWs very difficult to play if he gets to 6, Sorin Markov means you shouldn't lose to Lingering Souls or other walkers or aggro unless you are way behind on board or turns. Basically both Sorins give you a much better post-Day plan.
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I just wanna say I was playing Boros Humans before it was cool. And will continue at PTQ Akron/Canton.
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On May 10 2012 10:55 Judicator wrote: Ramp is in a terrible place. Basically you're stuck playing Inferno Titans cause you are going to behind any average aggro draw for any aggro build. You have Huntmasters, sure. So do they. You have turn 4 Titans (arguably your best draw). Their turn 4 could be threatening lethal if they aren't taking your Titan and beating you outright.
Against control, Ramp loses to Tamiyo/Liliana flatout and more importantly, Lingering Souls beats your formerly best turn 3 and turn 4 play, Garruks. It's in a worse position than any other archtype because it requires heavy player reading, you can't assume the tapout player isn't playing Mana Leaks, you also can't run better Titans (Inferno is atrocious against spot removal or sorcery speed removal) cause your match ups against aggro will suffer. Lingering Souls also have the added benefit of squeezing out Inkmoths of ramp decks. It's just a miserable spot to be in. You need to draw well and if you trip up on your card draw (drawing ramp after you have a billion lands, drawing Titans without ramp) means you just flat out start in the hole. So the deck is just inconsistent with very little (imo) payoff.
Which brings us to RG aggro which runs a much better (cards) curve and does all the things you really want to do with Wolf-Run in the first place (aka playing threats rather than lands or spells that get lands) and just go to town with Swords.
Elspeth I do not like in UW control. The reason I say this is because 5 is a very populated place for PWs. Gideon does more against aggro, Tamiyo does more against ramp/control, Jace does more against control, since you are UW and not Esper you don't have access to Lingering Souls (notice how this card keeps coming up). She only really does work if you get 2 turns with her since either 6 power or 3 power/3 life or board wipe is relevant, but she doesn't protect herself efficiently and is weak to.....anything that flies or just cheap red burn.
In either case, if you want to play control, I would rank Esper, UW, UB in that order of relevance (aka power level). I like where my Esper is sitting out and I am considering a few tweaks still, but basically you are either playing Consecrated Sphinxes or you are running the Sun Titan/Image line, both have access to Elesh provided you have access to white. Either has their benefits. The best thing I like about Esper which makes it significantly better than just straight UW is Sorin (both versions), 4-Sorin makes Lingering Souls a legit threat if you start making emblems or it makes Rites based decks or other PWs very difficult to play if he gets to 6, Sorin Markov means you shouldn't lose to Lingering Souls or other walkers or aggro unless you are way behind on board or turns. Basically both Sorins give you a much better post-Day plan.
Played in my first Standard Tourney tonight. No ramp, as you mentioned - at all. But a lot of RG Aggro, Delver and some weird attempts at control. There were 0 Cavern of Souls, but that might just be an availability issue. I ran a quick Bant list that I just sorta threw together. It had Rampant Growths and Venser and Slimes and Images and Karn and a Sun Titan...not sure what I was doing. But it was fun, Delver looks like its a bit pressed by the R/G match up, so that might be a good thing.
Lingering Souls everywhere.
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Shout outs to my friend Lukas Parsons whos currently fighting for Day 2 in PT AVR/Barca.
Also, after testing some more, I feel like the Esper list is tuned for where the meta is. My good draws can beat any decks good draws and the same all the way down. That is all I can expect/want at this point. Now I just need to figure out a sensible sideboarding plan.
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Some interesting lists from PT Barcelona:
Fight Club: + Show Spoiler +25x Forest 2x Blazing Torch 4x Prey Upon 4x Ulvenwald Tracker 4x Young Wolf 4x Mayor of Avabruck 4x Strangleroot Geist 4x Predator Ooze 4x Wolfir Avenger 4x Garruk Relentless 1x Wolfir Silverheart Sideboard: 4x Bramblecrush 2x Blazing Torch 2x Nightshade Peddler 4x Grafdigger's Cage 3x Gloom Widow Deck Tech: Fight Club
Hallelujah: + Show Spoiler +4x Evolving Wilds 13x Island 10x Plains 4x Thought Scour 4x Feeling of Dread 4x Think Twice 1x Dissipate 4x Tamiyo the Moon Sage 4x Terminus 4x Entreat the Angels 4x Devastation Tide 4x Temporal Mastery Sideboard: Not mentioned Deck Tech: Hallelujah
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It seems Entreat the Angels / any kind of board presence + temporal mastery is good enough to win a Pro Tour=/. What do you guys thinking about the viability of porting over the shell into the standard metagame?
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On May 09 2012 11:13 slyboogie wrote: EDIT: Oooh, foil Life from the Loam, that'll always be full value. Nothing really does what Life from the Loam does.
I haven't played MTG in years, but I remember I pulled two of these cards back when Ravnica came out. One is a Japanese foil version, one is normal. Do you think if I was to sell the card, would it be smart to sell it now or will it be useful for a long time, hence prices go up?
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On May 14 2012 09:39 Jopz wrote: It seems Entreat the Angels / any kind of board presence + temporal mastery is good enough to win a Pro Tour=/. What do you guys thinking about the viability of porting over the shell into the standard metagame?
I played a few of those decks. Basically it boiled down to a lucky draws and whether I felt like Mana Leaks were necessary. The deck just seems inconsistent and in block it really only has to worry about a handful of archetypes. Not the case for Standard. Remember, block doesn't have Lingering Souls, nor does it have Sword of War and Peace.
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On May 14 2012 09:56 kenkou wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 11:13 slyboogie wrote: EDIT: Oooh, foil Life from the Loam, that'll always be full value. Nothing really does what Life from the Loam does. I haven't played MTG in years, but I remember I pulled two of these cards back when Ravnica came out. One is a Japanese foil version, one is normal. Do you think if I was to sell the card, would it be smart to sell it now or will it be useful for a long time, hence prices go up?
Well, I'm not an expert on card pricing by any stretch of the imagination. I find the secondary market of MtG cards to be insane. So take this advice with a grain of salt:
I'd hold the Life from the Loams until the next set. A reprint is not impossible and giving the card standard life will make its value go up - in spite of increasing supply. It also depends on the popularity of Modern, lands printed in the future, new mechanics. But like I said, nothing really does what Life from the Loam does, so I'd feel okay holding it.
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On May 14 2012 14:40 slyboogie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 09:56 kenkou wrote:On May 09 2012 11:13 slyboogie wrote: EDIT: Oooh, foil Life from the Loam, that'll always be full value. Nothing really does what Life from the Loam does. I haven't played MTG in years, but I remember I pulled two of these cards back when Ravnica came out. One is a Japanese foil version, one is normal. Do you think if I was to sell the card, would it be smart to sell it now or will it be useful for a long time, hence prices go up? Well, I'm not an expert on card pricing by any stretch of the imagination. I find the secondary market of MtG cards to be insane. So take this advice with a grain of salt: I'd hold the Life from the Loams until the next set. A reprint is not impossible and giving the card standard life will make its value go up - in spite of increasing supply. It also depends on the popularity of Modern, lands printed in the future, new mechanics. But like I said, nothing really does what Life from the Loam does, so I'd feel okay holding it. Not really a question of whether the prices will go up (p9 and co have had a stable price for a while, and generally do barring advent of new formats - rare), but whether prices will FALL. My opinion is that it will remain steady, as loam is a very unique and very powerful mechanic.
Also reprinting loam will be either $ grab or just... brokenness.
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I heard dredge is unlikely to be reprinted, it created some strategies wizards wasn't expecting, don't expect life from the loam.
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