Marcus Lattimore to enter NFL Draft.
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Ferrose
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Damiani
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On December 11 2012 09:35 Ferrose wrote: Bobby Petrino hired at Western Kentucky. Marcus Lattimore to enter NFL Draft. Two big mistakes. Bobby Petrino could of gone to a better school and Marcus Lattimore is not going anywhere near the first 5 rounds of the NFL draft. Kid is getting hurt like that in college football. Wonder what would happen to him in the NFL. | ||
Duravi
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On December 11 2012 09:13 Cloud9157 wrote: They've started to only invite three recently. And Klein got the benefit of the hype the entire Kstate team received, despite them being over-hyped entirely. Good QB, but when you play teams that are actually decent (hell, at least Oregon had to play USC/UCLA/and the sleepers of this ncaa season, Stanford) and aren't all whatsamattaU, your Heisman potential goes waaaaaay down. Oregon didn't play UCLA. In any poll you look at Kansas State played a tougher SoS than Oregon so I dont know where you are getting that comparison from. If anything Oregon was the overrated team, they let USC put over 50 points on them, nobody has ever won the NCG and had a team put 50 pts on them in the same season, then they got shutdown against Stanford, the best defense by a mile they played all season. Klein wins the heisman easy if he didnt face plant (along with their defense) against Baylor. | ||
feanor1
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On December 11 2012 11:53 Damiani wrote: Two big mistakes. Bobby Petrino could of gone to a better school and Marcus Lattimore is not going anywhere near the first 5 rounds of the NFL draft. Kid is getting hurt like that in college football. Wonder what would happen to him in the NFL. Ummm.............................. Damiani your posts make even less sense as time goes on. His odds of reinjury are pretty similar regardless of where is is playing ball next year( If he is ready to come back). His logic is sound(Said he felt he would be able to have a more complete recovery working with NFL team doctors), and a player getting drafted after a devastating injury like that is not without precedent (See McGahee, Willis). I think he knows NFL backs have short careers and would rather spend one more season in the NFL than in college. Many RBs have had very successful recoveries from serious knee injuries in the last decade. Also there aren't a bunch of Lattimore level backs coming out of college this year. I would hazard a guess he goes in the 4-5th round. He is likely going to miss the entire 2013 season at the college or pro level, so if he wanted to stay in college and prove he was "back" he would have to wait until the 2014 season, that's a long fricken time. | ||
GTR
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feanor1
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On December 11 2012 16:11 GTR wrote: Yep, I too liken his situation to McGahee's, although I can't really comment on whether on talent alone he would be drafted in the first two rounds (like McGahee). He was not a lock top 5 pick like McGahee was prior to injury(and the NFL values running backs less nowadays), but I don't think he still expects to be a first round pick like McGahee was even after his injury. I do think being able to focus on rehab 100% will allow him to get back faster than staying in school | ||
Jibba
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On December 11 2012 16:21 feanor1 wrote: I do think being able to focus on rehab 100% will allow him to get back faster than staying in school This, plus it's not like Lattimore's stock can go up. In fact, it can only go down. Even if he returned to school and had a good year, he'd have the exact same questions and risks as he does now. Everyone's seen him have outstanding games in college, so doing that some more (and risking injury) won't raise his potential ceiling and it won't assuage the risks. | ||
Ferrose
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On December 11 2012 11:53 Damiani wrote: Two big mistakes. Bobby Petrino could of gone to a better school and Marcus Lattimore is not going anywhere near the first 5 rounds of the NFL draft. Kid is getting hurt like that in college football. Wonder what would happen to him in the NFL. What big school is gonna want to hire Petrino right now? Marcus Lattimore's injuries weren't even his fault. He got a helmet to the knee. If that happened in the NFL, the defender would be fined $500k and suspended 10 games (I joke). I think Lattimore will be like Honey Badger. Some team is gonna get a huge steal on him because he's first round talent that you can get on the second day of the draft. | ||
Damiani
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And as for Marcus Lattimore. Not many teams is willing to draft a rb knowing he'd most likely sit out a whole year. That's why i said i don't see him being drafted in the first 5 rounds. Edit:@ Ferrose I don't think a helmet hit to the knee is a penalty. As long as he's the ball carrier it's a legal hit. Just sayin... | ||
Jibba
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Agreed about Mathieu. Fine, I understand a ton of football players smoke weed and getting caught on your own isn't that big, but when you're sitting out a season with hopes of getting back on the team after going through that rehab drama and you're caught with possession and smoking with drug dealers, who have a scale, grinder and 10 bags of high grade marijuana in your apartment, that makes you a fucking idiot. | ||
feanor1
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On December 12 2012 11:45 Damiani wrote: The first name that comes to mind when i hear Honey Badger is Maurice Clarett of Ohio St. The NFL should not support college drop outs with drug issues just because he has some sort of football skills. They should teach kids like him a lesson. Although i thought they did a pretty good example of Maurice Clarett. I know some of you will bring up the subject of Maurice Clarett situation being slightly different but to me it falls in the same category. And as for Marcus Lattimore. Not many teams is willing to draft a rb knowing he'd most likely sit out a whole year. That's why i said i don't see him being drafted in the first 5 rounds. Edit:@ Ferrose I don't think a helmet hit to the knee is a penalty. As long as he's the ball carrier it's a legal hit. Just sayin... NFL teams are not in the business of teaching men lessons, they employ many felons and a few convicted of manslaughter. IF an NFL team thinks they can keep him on the field and he is good enough to play he will play. Getting drafted will be tougher, but someone will give him a shot. | ||
Damiani
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On December 12 2012 14:14 feanor1 wrote: NFL teams are not in the business of teaching men lessons, they employ many felons and a few convicted of manslaughter. IF an NFL team thinks they can keep him on the field and he is good enough to play he will play. Getting drafted will be tougher, but someone will give him a shot. Lmao if you think like this. Really. Goodell has really changed the image of the NFL around. For you to say they've employed felons and manslaughter convicts is just absolutely absurd. Name one player the NFL has employed after the fact of being convicted of manslaughter. Especially coming out of college. Look at all the Divas of the NFL from a few years back. Where are they now? The NFL took a stand on that. Where's T.O. Where's Ocho? Where's Vince Young? | ||
feanor1
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Michael Vick is back after serving a 2 or 3 year prison sentence. Leonard Little Going back a little Ray Lewis was on trial for murder charges that he was plea bargained out of. Pacman Jones had tons of issues and is now back in the league. Godell may punish players for hits in the game, but there are a lot of people with a hell of a lot worse background than Tyrann Mathieu currently in the NFL. As for a player being drafted out of college after having issues http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janoris_Jenkins He was a second round pick last year, and he got kicked out of Urban Meyers notoriously arrest prone Florida program. My point is if you can stay clean(and still play) and the Commissioner's office will let you on the field. A team will pick you up. Also Terell Owens is almost 40 and he was playing until last year. Chad Johnson was back in until he beat his wife the night he married her this year. And Vince Young is actually crazy I'm sorry, but the NFL is hardly cleaning up its image. | ||
Jibba
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Damiani
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On December 12 2012 16:22 feanor1 wrote: Donte Stallworth ring a bell? Michael Vick is back after serving a 2 or 3 year prison sentence. Leonard Little Going back a little Ray Lewis was on trial for murder charges that he was plea bargained out of. Pacman Jones had tons of issues and is now back in the league. Godell may punish players for hits in the game, but there are a lot of people with a hell of a lot worse background than Tyrann Mathieu currently in the NFL. As for a player being drafted out of college after having issues http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janoris_Jenkins He was a second round pick last year, and he got kicked out of Urban Meyers notoriously arrest prone Florida program. My point is if you can stay clean(and still play) and the Commissioner's office will let you on the field. A team will pick you up. Also Terell Owens is almost 40 and he was playing until last year. Chad Johnson was back in until he beat his wife the night he married her this year. And Vince Young is actually crazy I'm sorry, but the NFL is hardly cleaning up its image. Okay so we're on totally different page i guess. My original post was about teaching kids coming out of college that the NFL is not going to stand up with trouble makers coming out of college. You responded with active players in the NFL. Many teams tends to steer away from trouble makers. There are a few exceptions. Ray Lewis has a huge active role in the community. He's a role model to many. His case got dropped because he got cleared when the facts came out. Donte Stallworth was a DUI manslaughter. It's not like he was a psychopath murderer. Not saying it's right but in some degree it's totally different. I for some reason had a gut feeling you were going to pull the Janoris Jenkins kid into this. There's a HUGE difference between him and honey badger. Janoris actually stayed in school. Finished. Proven to himself and others that he'd clean up his act. (At least in public view) And worked hard at a second chance. Where as the Honey Badgers stayed away from school. Took some b.s rehab class. Got busted again. Sat his lazy ass around thinking he'd just have to wait it out and enter the NFL draft. | ||
Jibba
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His case got dropped because he got cleared when the facts came out. That's not exactly true. There was a lack of evidence, but the "facts" never actually came out. He got a plea bargain to testify against the other defendants and take a lesser charge of obstruction of justice, and then settled in civil court with the victim's daughter/family. It's not like he was cleared and they found the "real guy," it was a poor investigation and they never managed to convict anyone for the murder. | ||
feanor1
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Donte Stallworth was a DUI manslaughter. It's not like he was a psychopath murderer. Not saying it's right but in some degree it's totally different. Thats kinda the point of a manslaughter charge. Also Ray Lewis and his friends where at the scene of the murder and the guys didn't kill themselves. He was directly involved in one way or another. Jenkins was arrested THREE times for marijuana related offences, (the honey badger only has only one arrested to his name) didn't keep his nose clean at North Alabama either. I mean the dude had 4 kids (with three different women) while he was still in college, hardly showing maturity. I'm sorry but your wrong, if you have the talent someone will give you a shot. “It’s weird because I had those kids while I was playing college football and it didn’t affect me not once,” said Jenkins, who is from Pahokee. “I’m proud to have my four kids. If they want to throw that in my face, so be it. “Everybody has kids. Where in the book do it say you can’t have kids? It doesn’t say that in the law. I’m a great father. I’m there whenever they need me.” On his two marijuana infractions in three months at UF: “I was just being a college student,” he said. “I’m pretty sure there were more guys than me that smoked. I just got caught.” Does this sound like someone who has matured? Also like half the Lions starters (in all seriousness it was only three of them) were arresting for smoking pot this off-season. The NFL really doesn't care. Percy Harvin is another draft pick who couldn't even stay clean for the three weeks around the draft, and had plenty of other issues at Florida that I am sure NFL teams were made aware of. | ||
holy_war
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Probe1
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Nobody cares- NFL doesn't care People talking about it- NFL cares big time. That's how the NFL, NBA, MLG, take your pick; That's how they all work. It's business. | ||
feanor1
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On December 13 2012 12:04 Probe1 wrote: Erm, I hate to put a block on your train but the NFL is in the business of image. If someone kills someone and it isn't a story they don't care. If they're arrested or whatnot while on suspension, boom big story. They care big time. Nobody cares- NFL doesn't care People talking about it- NFL cares big time. That's how the NFL, NBA, MLG, take your pick; That's how they all work. It's business. Obviously they don't like bad publicity......... The point is all those guys are still in the NFL after serving their fines/suspensions. While the NFL may care, they don't care enough to just not employ those people. Donte Stallworth killed someone while driving drunk, he lost 1 years pay and is back in the NFL. Once stuff blows over the NFL is more than willing to let you come back. | ||
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