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SetGuitarsToKill
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Iway
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Fazers
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Nickemwit
United States253 Posts
On March 23 2015 23:45 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: How the heck is Fox his own tier in PAL? Wasn't he nerfed pretty hugely? He's not his own tier in NTSC... It's probably because the people making the tier list appreciate that his massive advantage in the neutral game across the board. Because his usmash and recovery are less broken in PAL, they appreciate that those factors aren't actually what make him broken. It's analogous to how a lot of Europeans think that Americans don't actually know how to play Sheik because all they do here is tech chase. | ||
hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On March 24 2015 00:59 Fazers wrote: Tier lists are dumb, I wish ppl could stop basing everything off them... tires dun exits right buddy? PAL is funny. An American has never won a tournament in Europe with both Armada and Leffen participating. | ||
Fazers
734 Posts
On March 24 2015 04:45 hariooo wrote: Show nested quote + On March 24 2015 00:59 Fazers wrote: Tier lists are dumb, I wish ppl could stop basing everything off them... tires dun exits right buddy? PAL is funny. An American has never won a tournament in Europe with both Armada and Leffen participating. Sure does, but people in lower/mid level need to stop basing it like it's the Bible. | ||
hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On March 25 2015 03:37 Fazers wrote: Show nested quote + On March 24 2015 04:45 hariooo wrote: On March 24 2015 00:59 Fazers wrote: Tier lists are dumb, I wish ppl could stop basing everything off them... tires dun exits right buddy? PAL is funny. An American has never won a tournament in Europe with both Armada and Leffen participating. Sure does, but people in lower/mid level need to stop basing it like it's the Bible. Tier list is just as applicable at low levels. The thing is that it's simply different at that point. Someone who picks up Sheik/Peach first is gonna wreck his friends playing Fox/Falco if they all start playing at the same time. | ||
bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On March 25 2015 04:58 hariooo wrote: Show nested quote + On March 25 2015 03:37 Fazers wrote: On March 24 2015 04:45 hariooo wrote: On March 24 2015 00:59 Fazers wrote: Tier lists are dumb, I wish ppl could stop basing everything off them... tires dun exits right buddy? PAL is funny. An American has never won a tournament in Europe with both Armada and Leffen participating. Sure does, but people in lower/mid level need to stop basing it like it's the Bible. Tier list is just as applicable at low levels. The thing is that it's simply different at that point. Someone who picks up Sheik/Peach first is gonna wreck his friends playing Fox/Falco if they all start playing at the same time. I don't think people should be allowed to complain about tier lists until people start seriously competing, and by that I don't mean showing up to a few tournaments and getting bodied, I mean putting in a lot of work and placing decently. Someone who can't short hop complaining about tiers for example (pretty much my opinion of most of /r/smashbros) has 0 basis for complaint about character mechanics at all. Idk, I have a lot of problems with tier lists, mainly that bad players take them out of context and use them as gospel when complaining about why they lost. A quick browse of /r/smashbros results in this piece of hilarity. http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/304b69/do_any_of_you_experience_hightier_guilt/ | ||
Fazers
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Idk, I have a lot of problems with tier lists, mainly that bad players take them out of context and use them as gospel when complaining about why they lost. THIS. My friend does this. He's Falcon, I am Falco so of course the only thing he does is complain that it's unwinnable for him. Lasers stop everything he does and is imbalanced as fuck, etc I always prove this wrong by beating him with FALCON (his own character), Marth, Fox, and Mario. It's not entirely the MU why you lost. It's your skill. | ||
BrTarolg
United Kingdom3574 Posts
And whilst tiers arn't too important, i think it is important to mention that matchups do matter Like at any level past the point where both players can control their character (no execution problems), peach vs ice climbers is just going to be god-awful And there are plenty of matchups whilst not un-winnable, it becomes VERY obvious to both players why there is a strict favourability to one side e.g sheik vs jiggs (PAL) | ||
hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On March 25 2015 09:29 bo1b wrote: Show nested quote + On March 25 2015 04:58 hariooo wrote: On March 25 2015 03:37 Fazers wrote: On March 24 2015 04:45 hariooo wrote: On March 24 2015 00:59 Fazers wrote: Tier lists are dumb, I wish ppl could stop basing everything off them... tires dun exits right buddy? PAL is funny. An American has never won a tournament in Europe with both Armada and Leffen participating. Sure does, but people in lower/mid level need to stop basing it like it's the Bible. Tier list is just as applicable at low levels. The thing is that it's simply different at that point. Someone who picks up Sheik/Peach first is gonna wreck his friends playing Fox/Falco if they all start playing at the same time. I don't think people should be allowed to complain about tier lists until people start seriously competing, and by that I don't mean showing up to a few tournaments and getting bodied, I mean putting in a lot of work and placing decently. Someone who can't short hop complaining about tiers for example (pretty much my opinion of most of /r/smashbros) has 0 basis for complaint about character mechanics at all. Idk, I have a lot of problems with tier lists, mainly that bad players take them out of context and use them as gospel when complaining about why they lost. A quick browse of /r/smashbros results in this piece of hilarity. http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/304b69/do_any_of_you_experience_hightier_guilt/ You know I was just responding to the braindead statement that "tier lists are dumb", right? | ||
Fazers
734 Posts
On March 26 2015 03:52 BrTarolg wrote: Fwiw i think it's pretty accurate except for maybe luigi too low and ganon too high And whilst tiers arn't too important, i think it is important to mention that matchups do matter Like at any level past the point where both players can control their character (no execution problems), peach vs ice climbers is just going to be god-awful And there are plenty of matchups whilst not un-winnable, it becomes VERY obvious to both players why there is a strict favourability to one side e.g sheik vs jiggs (PAL) Yeah, I also think that matchups matter WAY more..=) | ||
Darkhorse
United States23454 Posts
I've never played PAL but this looks about right :D | ||
DarkPlasmaBall
United States42219 Posts
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Nickemwit
United States253 Posts
On March 26 2015 07:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Is Ness high tier in any version of any Super Smash Bros? Pretty sure he's good in PM | ||
DarkPlasmaBall
United States42219 Posts
On March 26 2015 07:57 ShrieK wrote: Show nested quote + On March 26 2015 07:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Is Ness high tier in any version of any Super Smash Bros? Pretty sure he's good in PM 24/41 here: http://www.eventhubs.com/tiers/projectm/ Ness mid-tier here: http://clashtournaments.com/project-m-3-02-final-tier-list/ At least Lucas is top three... | ||
Mohdoo
United States15082 Posts
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On March 26 2015 04:14 hariooo wrote: Show nested quote + On March 25 2015 09:29 bo1b wrote: On March 25 2015 04:58 hariooo wrote: On March 25 2015 03:37 Fazers wrote: On March 24 2015 04:45 hariooo wrote: On March 24 2015 00:59 Fazers wrote: Tier lists are dumb, I wish ppl could stop basing everything off them... tires dun exits right buddy? PAL is funny. An American has never won a tournament in Europe with both Armada and Leffen participating. Sure does, but people in lower/mid level need to stop basing it like it's the Bible. Tier list is just as applicable at low levels. The thing is that it's simply different at that point. Someone who picks up Sheik/Peach first is gonna wreck his friends playing Fox/Falco if they all start playing at the same time. I don't think people should be allowed to complain about tier lists until people start seriously competing, and by that I don't mean showing up to a few tournaments and getting bodied, I mean putting in a lot of work and placing decently. Someone who can't short hop complaining about tiers for example (pretty much my opinion of most of /r/smashbros) has 0 basis for complaint about character mechanics at all. Idk, I have a lot of problems with tier lists, mainly that bad players take them out of context and use them as gospel when complaining about why they lost. A quick browse of /r/smashbros results in this piece of hilarity. http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/304b69/do_any_of_you_experience_hightier_guilt/ You know I was just responding to the braindead statement that "tier lists are dumb", right? I was just taking somethign from your quote and extending it to absurd levels And I find the statement "tier lists are just as applicable at lower levels" to be fucking retarded. On March 26 2015 08:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Show nested quote + On March 26 2015 07:57 ShrieK wrote: On March 26 2015 07:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Is Ness high tier in any version of any Super Smash Bros? Pretty sure he's good in PM 24/41 here: http://www.eventhubs.com/tiers/projectm/ Ness mid-tier here: http://clashtournaments.com/project-m-3-02-final-tier-list/ At least Lucas is top three... Well and truly out of date, and if tier lists here aren't super accurate they're even less accurate in pm. | ||
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