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On December 12 2016 17:02 lestye wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2016 16:25 graNite wrote: I wish sc2 would get the same work put into like dota2 got :/ new hud, rework models, new animation are all side notes to the huge gameplay changes To be fair, you're kinda ignoring that Dota 2 had to deal with really bad stuff for many years. Like the really really bad Slardar model. Is the Starcraft 2 HUD as bad as the Dota 2 hud? I never quite compared them before. But yea, Dota 2 is a different game. Like they kinda embrace those huge radical changes new units, new heroes, but I don't think that's what people want for an RTS, they want a good balanced game that stands the test of time.
There are many things that could be improved, as the minimap or the ingame hud. Thanks to the community we have a replay overlay at least. Also, look at how many statistics are recorded in a ladder game and how many you can actually see after a game. For Starcraft, I dont want new units and mechanics like they did for dota2, but rather improvements to the client:
better replay viewer, statistics, hud, stuff like that. Just show me that work is being put into sc2.
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On December 12 2016 17:39 graNite wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2016 17:02 lestye wrote:On December 12 2016 16:25 graNite wrote: I wish sc2 would get the same work put into like dota2 got :/ new hud, rework models, new animation are all side notes to the huge gameplay changes To be fair, you're kinda ignoring that Dota 2 had to deal with really bad stuff for many years. Like the really really bad Slardar model. Is the Starcraft 2 HUD as bad as the Dota 2 hud? I never quite compared them before. But yea, Dota 2 is a different game. Like they kinda embrace those huge radical changes new units, new heroes, but I don't think that's what people want for an RTS, they want a good balanced game that stands the test of time. There are many things that could be improved, as the minimap or the ingame hud. Thanks to the community we have a replay overlay at least. Also, look at how many statistics are recorded in a ladder game and how many you can actually see after a game. For Starcraft, I dont want new units and mechanics like they did for dota2, but rather improvements to the client: better replay viewer, statistics, hud, stuff like that. Just show me that work is being put into sc2. Patch 3.7 added in-game income advantage and army size line graphs to the WCS Gameheart observer overlay extension mod. There have been more subtle improvements to SC2's UI over the years, but the community in general is much more conservative about any bigger changes. The main menu UI at least has gone through a few significant changes across the expansion packs.
It also helps that Valve's corporate structure probably allows them to iterate content and changes far more frequently than the vast majority of other game companies (at least for some of their games).
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On December 12 2016 12:09 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2016 05:58 phantomlancer23 wrote:On December 11 2016 05:21 aQuaSC wrote:On December 11 2016 03:17 phantomlancer23 wrote:On December 11 2016 02:57 SlammerIV wrote:On December 11 2016 01:54 phantomlancer23 wrote: Dustin failed in hots and sc2 i dont expect anything good from him nor i think they ll give him anything difficult and important again. Oh come, failed at sc2 is quite hyperbolic, sc2 is one of the best selling rts games of all time, still has a large player base after 7 years, has a solid esport scene and is still making tons of money for Blizzard. Calling sc2 a failure in really any respect is rather silly. Well to do some good selling with blizzards logo on a game isnt something.Nobody in korea cared about sc2 from the beginning and even idra said its a bad game, if the game was good why everyone plays bw now?Isnt this an indication that the game failed.Even as a single player games story was mediocre and childish. Not many people would play BW in Korea if the BW pros stopped playing. No you are wrong the pros came back to bw because people wanted bw they followed peoples demand. BW is popular in Korea because everyone played it back in the day and it past on TV and all, doesn't mean it's a better game, and there is still a lot more people playing SC2 in the world in general. If I go to COD MW2 right now I can find a game within 1 minute that doesn't mean it is particularly better then any other COD game, its just that there is nostalgia about it.
BW is popular because it's an incredible game.
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BW is superior to SC2.
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He could be working of the Starcraft project for their anniversary. Since they realeased Diablo 1 in D3 for anyversary maybe it's just a "new project" that is BW campaign DLC for Starcraft ?
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It's first person, meh.
Still Blizzard games are generally good (idk about diablo or wow) so it's still something to look forward to.
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Overwatch arose from the remnants of a cancelled MMO. won't it be ironic if the currect retail version of Overwatch ends up creating demand for an Overwatch MMO because people so badly want to flesh out the stories behind the characters
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Yes, I definately want to fight a raid boss with 15 XxNinjaxX Genjis and that one poor guy who has to reinhardt to tank for them, while i play the mercy to ress them!
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On December 12 2016 12:09 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2016 05:58 phantomlancer23 wrote:On December 11 2016 05:21 aQuaSC wrote:On December 11 2016 03:17 phantomlancer23 wrote:On December 11 2016 02:57 SlammerIV wrote:On December 11 2016 01:54 phantomlancer23 wrote: Dustin failed in hots and sc2 i dont expect anything good from him nor i think they ll give him anything difficult and important again. Oh come, failed at sc2 is quite hyperbolic, sc2 is one of the best selling rts games of all time, still has a large player base after 7 years, has a solid esport scene and is still making tons of money for Blizzard. Calling sc2 a failure in really any respect is rather silly. Well to do some good selling with blizzards logo on a game isnt something.Nobody in korea cared about sc2 from the beginning and even idra said its a bad game, if the game was good why everyone plays bw now?Isnt this an indication that the game failed.Even as a single player games story was mediocre and childish. Not many people would play BW in Korea if the BW pros stopped playing. No you are wrong the pros came back to bw because people wanted bw they followed peoples demand. BW is popular in Korea because everyone played it back in the day and it past on TV and all, doesn't mean it's a better game, and there is still a lot more people playing SC2 in the world in general. If I go to COD MW2 right now I can find a game within 1 minute that doesn't mean it is particularly better then any other COD game, its just that there is nostalgia about it.
Oh look, another nostalgia bullshit argument. Its really difficult to accept, that some people may actually sincerelly think the older game is just better, right?
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On December 13 2016 00:30 daemir wrote: Yes, I definately want to fight a raid boss with 15 XxNinjaxX Genjis and that one poor guy who has to reinhardt to tank for them, while i play the mercy to ress them! LOL like vanilla WoW where Warriors were the only tank, all healers were only healers (no dps class high enough in damage to compare to the mage). Speaking of mage, 15 mages
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On December 11 2016 01:54 phantomlancer23 wrote: Dustin failed in hots and sc2 i dont expect anything good from him nor i think they ll give him anything difficult and important again. Sale numbers for sc2 and hots dont agree with you.
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On December 13 2016 16:39 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2016 01:54 phantomlancer23 wrote: Dustin failed in hots and sc2 i dont expect anything good from him nor i think they ll give him anything difficult and important again. Sale numbers for sc2 and hots dont agree with you.
While I don't blame Dustin Browder as much as most people, and I believe HotS is a completely unskilled, casual, mediocre moba for people who can't focus for longer than 10-15 minutes, I also believe at this point a Blizzard employee could literally shit in a box, Blizzard could publish it, and it would sell in the millions of copies and be one of the best releases of 2016/2017. Literally a turd in a box for 60$.
At this point I'm hoping for an action RPG. What I mean is StarCraft:Ghost but with a leveling system and skill/attribute points for Nova or whoever it will be, maybe a random unnamed ghost. Kinda like the 1st Mass Effect's RPG/FPS system.
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On December 12 2016 18:47 Foxxan wrote: BW is superior to SC2.
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I'm honestly just shocked that this got a warning. I mean, okay it might be there just to stir up controversy. But to think that such a warning would happen on a forum that was a BW only forum for years.
Ontopic -- We have no info available to know what they're making atm, so let's come back to this in some 3-4 years. Everything we can possibly know is already in the OP and there's not really anything else that is possible in any way to get, so discussion kinda has no real basis.
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On December 13 2016 01:04 Kare wrote: Who is Blizzard?
Kek
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On December 13 2016 17:12 Latham wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2016 16:39 -Archangel- wrote:On December 11 2016 01:54 phantomlancer23 wrote: Dustin failed in hots and sc2 i dont expect anything good from him nor i think they ll give him anything difficult and important again. Sale numbers for sc2 and hots dont agree with you. While I don't blame Dustin Browder as much as most people, and I believe HotS is a completely unskilled, casual, mediocre moba for people who can't focus for longer than 10-15 minutes,
But wasn't that the whole point? (except mediocre part, I dont think they planned that )
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On December 14 2016 00:02 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2016 17:12 Latham wrote:On December 13 2016 16:39 -Archangel- wrote:On December 11 2016 01:54 phantomlancer23 wrote: Dustin failed in hots and sc2 i dont expect anything good from him nor i think they ll give him anything difficult and important again. Sale numbers for sc2 and hots dont agree with you. While I don't blame Dustin Browder as much as most people, and I believe HotS is a completely unskilled, casual, mediocre moba for people who can't focus for longer than 10-15 minutes, But wasn't that the whole point? (except mediocre part, I dont think they planned that ) Thought so too, which is why I didn't get why they started to host tournaments.
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On December 14 2016 02:45 Archeon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2016 00:02 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On December 13 2016 17:12 Latham wrote:On December 13 2016 16:39 -Archangel- wrote:On December 11 2016 01:54 phantomlancer23 wrote: Dustin failed in hots and sc2 i dont expect anything good from him nor i think they ll give him anything difficult and important again. Sale numbers for sc2 and hots dont agree with you. While I don't blame Dustin Browder as much as most people, and I believe HotS is a completely unskilled, casual, mediocre moba for people who can't focus for longer than 10-15 minutes, But wasn't that the whole point? (except mediocre part, I dont think they planned that ) Thought so too, which is why I didn't get why they started to host tournaments. To be fair, they host Hearthstone tournaments too
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They've been hosting pokemon tournaments, too. Anything and everything they're going to hold tournaments for, even if its something like rock paper scissors or divekick or whatever.
Esports is just a very effective marketing tool and instill a lot of brand loyalty to the game. What's why companies nowadays spend millions of dollars every year to promote their game, regardless of how casual or hardcore it is.
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Blizzard dont make quality games anymore who cares, they've completely changed their buisness model from making quality games that are addictive and enjoyable for all the right reasons to getting ppl hooked on meaningless crap thats overmarketed to make quick bucks
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