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On December 02 2009 11:32 Meta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2009 11:19 liosama wrote: Has there every been a US president who isn't a war brandishing fuckwit? Fuck them all.
Has there ever been a politician who is a decent, honest human being? I haven't seen one in the time that I've been alive. Why do politicians run the world? It's ridiculous.
Horrible people like that run the world because they're the only ones who desire that much power. Just like oil executives who make tens of billions of dollars and still try to make more, even though there is no way they could possibly ever spend all that money. These people just have a certain kind of desire for power that normal people don't, and it manifests itself in a certain personality every time.
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Obama just sacrificed a pawn or 2.
but he has better position with his moves. he is looking much further down the road than just to day.
he will win this chess match that is his presidency.
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On December 02 2009 11:40 ghermination wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2009 11:32 Meta wrote:On December 02 2009 11:19 liosama wrote: Has there every been a US president who isn't a war brandishing fuckwit? Fuck them all.
Has there ever been a politician who is a decent, honest human being? I haven't seen one in the time that I've been alive. Why do politicians run the world? It's ridiculous. Horrible people like that run the world because they're the only ones who desire that much power. Just like oil executives who make tens of billions of dollars and still try to make more, even though there is no way they could possibly ever spend all that money. These people just have a certain kind of desire for power that normal people don't, and it manifests itself in a certain personality every time. You know, having money in the bank is often more useful than spending it on things, especially when it comes to women. The liquidity and safety that money offer far outweigh the individual material goods you can buy.
You know how easy it is to get a blowjob with $300 million in the bank?
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vietnam wasnt a war (technically), and iraq is? we didn't ever declare war on vietnam. also, we are at war with north korea right now. to me vietnam was much more of a war than afghanistan, or iraq, but there are always technicalities. i would refer to these things as conflicts...
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On December 02 2009 11:51 Bill Murray wrote: vietnam wasnt a war (technically), and iraq is? we didn't ever declare war on vietnam. also, we are at war with north korea right now. to me vietnam was much more of a war than afghanistan, or iraq, but there are always technicalities. i would refer to these things as conflicts... Can you explain how we are at war with North Korea because I had always assumed you needed troops and a plan to attack or defend to be at war with a country.
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On December 02 2009 11:50 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2009 11:40 ghermination wrote:On December 02 2009 11:32 Meta wrote:On December 02 2009 11:19 liosama wrote: Has there every been a US president who isn't a war brandishing fuckwit? Fuck them all.
Has there ever been a politician who is a decent, honest human being? I haven't seen one in the time that I've been alive. Why do politicians run the world? It's ridiculous. Horrible people like that run the world because they're the only ones who desire that much power. Just like oil executives who make tens of billions of dollars and still try to make more, even though there is no way they could possibly ever spend all that money. These people just have a certain kind of desire for power that normal people don't, and it manifests itself in a certain personality every time. You know, having money in the bank is often more useful than spending it on things, especially when it comes to women. The liquidity and safety that money offer far outweigh the individual material goods you can buy. You know how easy it is to get a blowjob with $300 million in the bank?
This justifies killing millions and starting wars that destabilize entire global regions, amirite?
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
Anyone who thinks Obama is going back on his promises during the campaign wasn't paying attention during the debates. Obama repeatedly said that Bush made a mistake by focusing on Iraq at the expense of Afghanistan.
I think Obama believes that we can find the same wild success in Afghanistan that we've had in Iraq the past few years, but I don't think that's possible given the nature of the country. We need to win over the populace in Afghanistan to have any chance of winning, but I don't think that's possible given the fact that there's a civil war going on.
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right, because we need to worry about some minor extremist groups (who probably can barely afford to drink clean water ) at the expense of our people,economy, and freedoms.
Terrorists don't take away my freedoms, governments do.
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On December 02 2009 11:19 liosama wrote: Has there every been a US president who isn't a war brandishing fuckwit? Fuck them all.
I call trolling. John Adams, the 2nd President, to name one. Specifically in 1798.
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On December 02 2009 12:11 CharlieMurphy wrote: right, because we need to worry about some minor extremist groups (who probably can barely afford to drink clean water ) at the expense of our people,economy, and freedoms.
Terrorists don't take away my freedoms, governments do.
You are the least politically informed person on TL.
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On December 02 2009 11:38 CharlieMurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2009 11:32 Meta wrote:On December 02 2009 11:19 liosama wrote: Has there every been a US president who isn't a war brandishing fuckwit? Fuck them all.
Has there ever been a politician who is a decent, honest human being? I haven't seen one in the time that I've been alive. Why do politicians run the world? It's ridiculous. the problem isn't politicians specifically. Contrary to popular optimistic beliefs, people are inherently selfish and bad. They try to be good based on values they learn from their culture and society. But be honest with yourself, you know you and most people would definitely favor helping a friend out as opposed to 2 strangers. The problem lies in the system. Which was fucking fixed and made to handle this terrible human nature when the constitution was written. But ever since the later 1800s and early 1900s the checks and balances have been compromised by shit like the federal reserve/world bank and wall street. So instead of politicians doing the job they should be doing, they have investments and friends in these other economy businesses that directly effect each other. So corruption is fucking rampant and it's not really any one person's fault imho. It's just the nature of people. They are looking out for themselves and their family. No one gives a shit about the guy down the street.
This is just pure BS. I mean, lifeforms are by nature selfish, but I fail to see how that makes them 'bad'. The only time problems occur are when people lack perspective and become needlessly selfish to the point of harming others.
I mean, living in America I can understand why your kind of sentiment exists. A large part of the world is not like this, and actually feels some kind of common empathy for people - feels that they are part of a society that works. In America you have this prevailing notion that everyone is out to get you, and that you're unsafe even in your own home. It's because we don't ever stop to ask why something is occurring the way it is. We just hold our guns closer and closer, and only trust ourselves.
We don't ask why a person commits crimes in the first place, nor do we try to rehabilitate them. It's easier to say they're a 'bad person' and move on with it. This is why our prison systems (by far the largest in the world) are full of people who likely will be back in prison once again when they finally get out. And again, and again.
We also didn't stop to ask why 9/11 happened in the first place. No, even those of us who preach 'turning the other cheek' immediately called for revenge. Even those of us who proclaim to be liberals still maintain that finding and killing bin Laden was something that needed to be done - something that would end our problems. We make no effort to learn why this isn't the case.
In fact, we by and large refuse to even 'lower' ourselves to the point of trying to understand what goes through the minds of the people we hate. So we repeat the same cycle all over again. Unsurprisingly, we tend to find more and more 'bad' people every day.
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On December 02 2009 12:02 ghermination wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2009 11:50 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On December 02 2009 11:40 ghermination wrote:On December 02 2009 11:32 Meta wrote:On December 02 2009 11:19 liosama wrote: Has there every been a US president who isn't a war brandishing fuckwit? Fuck them all.
Has there ever been a politician who is a decent, honest human being? I haven't seen one in the time that I've been alive. Why do politicians run the world? It's ridiculous. Horrible people like that run the world because they're the only ones who desire that much power. Just like oil executives who make tens of billions of dollars and still try to make more, even though there is no way they could possibly ever spend all that money. These people just have a certain kind of desire for power that normal people don't, and it manifests itself in a certain personality every time. You know, having money in the bank is often more useful than spending it on things, especially when it comes to women. The liquidity and safety that money offer far outweigh the individual material goods you can buy. You know how easy it is to get a blowjob with $300 million in the bank? This justifies killing millions and starting wars that destabilize entire global regions, amirite? Why do you think you need to destroy things to get rich? Wealth comes to people based on desire, not based on appetite for destruction.
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On December 02 2009 12:11 Triple7 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2009 11:19 liosama wrote: Has there every been a US president who isn't a war brandishing fuckwit? Fuck them all.
I call trolling. John Adams, the 2nd President, to name one. Specifically in 1798. yea andrew jackson ftw? In 1835, Jackson managed to reduce the federal debt to only $33,733.05, the lowest it had been since the first fiscal year of 1791.[21] President Jackson is the only president in United States history to have paid off the national debt. However, this accomplishment was short lived. A severe depression from 1837 to 1844 caused a tenfold increase in national debt within its first year.[22]
Opposition to the National Bank Main article: Bank War Democratic cartoon shows Jackson fighting the monster Bank. "The Bank," Jackson told Martin Van Buren, "is trying to kill me, but I will kill it!"
The Second Bank of the United States was authorized for a twenty year period during James Madison's tenure in 1816. As President, Jackson worked to rescind the bank's federal charter. In Jackson's veto message (written by George Bancroft), the bank needed to be abolished because:
* It concentrated the nation's financial strength in a single institution. * It exposed the government to control by foreign interests. * It served mainly to make the rich richer. * It exercised too much control over members of Congress. * It favored northeastern states over southern and western states.
Following Jefferson, Jackson supported an "agricultural republic" and felt the Bank improved the fortunes of an "elite circle" of commercial and industrial entrepreneurs at the expense of farmers and laborers. After a titanic struggle, Jackson succeeded in destroying the Bank by vetoing its 1832 re-charter by Congress and by withdrawing U.S. funds in 1833. 1833 Democratic cartoon shows Jackson destroying the devil's Bank.
The bank's money-lending functions were taken over by the legions of local and state banks that sprang up. This fed an expansion of credit and speculation. At first, as Jackson withdrew money from the Bank to invest it in other banks, land sales, canal construction, cotton production, and manufacturing boomed.[28] However, due to the practice of banks issuing paper banknotes that were not backed by gold or silver reserves, there was soon rapid inflation and mounting state debts.[29] Then, in 1836, Jackson issued the Specie Circular, which required buyers of government lands to pay in "specie" (gold or silver coins). The result was a great demand for specie, which many banks did not have enough of to exchange for their notes. These banks collapsed.[28] This was a direct cause of the Panic of 1837, which threw the national economy into a deep depression. It took years for the economy to recover from the damage.
The U.S. Senate censured Jackson on March 28, 1834, for his action in removing U.S. funds from the Bank of the United States. When the Jacksonians had a majority in the Senate, the censure was expunged.
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On December 02 2009 12:02 motbob wrote: Anyone who thinks Obama is going back on his promises during the campaign wasn't paying attention during the debates. Obama repeatedly said that Bush made a mistake by focusing on Iraq at the expense of Afghanistan.
I think Obama believes that we can find the same wild success in Afghanistan that we've had in Iraq the past few years.
Maybe im stupid and that was blatant sarcasm, cuz if not damn.. ...
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On December 02 2009 12:13 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2009 12:11 CharlieMurphy wrote: right, because we need to worry about some minor extremist groups (who probably can barely afford to drink clean water ) at the expense of our people,economy, and freedoms.
Terrorists don't take away my freedoms, governments do. You are the least politically informed person on TL. good argument bro.
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On December 02 2009 12:13 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2009 12:02 ghermination wrote:On December 02 2009 11:50 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On December 02 2009 11:40 ghermination wrote:On December 02 2009 11:32 Meta wrote:On December 02 2009 11:19 liosama wrote: Has there every been a US president who isn't a war brandishing fuckwit? Fuck them all.
Has there ever been a politician who is a decent, honest human being? I haven't seen one in the time that I've been alive. Why do politicians run the world? It's ridiculous. Horrible people like that run the world because they're the only ones who desire that much power. Just like oil executives who make tens of billions of dollars and still try to make more, even though there is no way they could possibly ever spend all that money. These people just have a certain kind of desire for power that normal people don't, and it manifests itself in a certain personality every time. You know, having money in the bank is often more useful than spending it on things, especially when it comes to women. The liquidity and safety that money offer far outweigh the individual material goods you can buy. You know how easy it is to get a blowjob with $300 million in the bank? This justifies killing millions and starting wars that destabilize entire global regions, amirite? Why do you think you need to destroy things to get rich? Wealth comes to people based on desire, not based on appetite for destruction.
Wrong, fast wealth for a few comes from exploitation of the others, tell me, what is more profitable for EXXON, to pay irak a decent price for their oil, or to use tax payers money to obliterate the country and take their oil virtually for free?.
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i'd give my 2 cents but not when the pessimistic, "zomg my country sucks and my entire corrupt government is bent on destroying us -- DONT LISTEN TO THE LIESSSS!!!" kind of people are online.
maybe later tonight
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On December 02 2009 12:15 CharlieMurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2009 12:13 keV. wrote:On December 02 2009 12:11 CharlieMurphy wrote: right, because we need to worry about some minor extremist groups (who probably can barely afford to drink clean water ) at the expense of our people,economy, and freedoms.
Terrorists don't take away my freedoms, governments do. You are the least politically informed person on TL. good argument bro.
I don't need to make one, if someone went and read your posts in this thread, they should be immediately able to write you off as a political deaf-mute. (provided they are not also a fool). By all means continue, its not as if you posting insane shit is news around here. Its not like one person calling you retarded will discourage you.
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On December 02 2009 12:15 baal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2009 12:02 motbob wrote: Anyone who thinks Obama is going back on his promises during the campaign wasn't paying attention during the debates. Obama repeatedly said that Bush made a mistake by focusing on Iraq at the expense of Afghanistan.
I think Obama believes that we can find the same wild success in Afghanistan that we've had in Iraq the past few years. Maybe im stupid and that was blatant sarcasm, cuz if not damn.. ... http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_casualties.htm
There's a huge dropoff in U.S. casualties ever since Petraeus started getting his way with the surge. His strategy worked really well and we're doing a lot better in Iraq than we used to.
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On December 02 2009 12:19 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2009 12:15 CharlieMurphy wrote:On December 02 2009 12:13 keV. wrote:On December 02 2009 12:11 CharlieMurphy wrote: right, because we need to worry about some minor extremist groups (who probably can barely afford to drink clean water ) at the expense of our people,economy, and freedoms.
Terrorists don't take away my freedoms, governments do. You are the least politically informed person on TL. good argument bro. I don't need to make one, if someone went and read your posts in this thread, they should be immediately able to write you off as a political deaf-mute. (provided they are not also a fool). By all means continue, its not as if you posting insane shit is news around here. Its not like one person calling you retarded will discourage you. good argument bro.
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