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On November 01 2010 09:32 phil.ipp wrote: only cause your savings are worthless does not mean you are going to die. its just a process to restore the value of a currency
is there an economics thread? i said that sarcastically. how does the debt reduce the value of the dollar anymore than it has ("to where our savings are completely worthless")? we can still pay interest while maintaining our standard of living. this thread is mainly about the commercial and what it means, but i think its safe to say its evolved into a general discussion of our debt and what it means for us and china.
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*cough* Soviet Union. *cough*
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im not in the position to give a good detailed explanation, only this much you dont want to give china any reason to sell their massiv dollar currency savings, it would spell doom. and if americans would stop to buy chinese goods i think that would be a pretty good reason.
but im not claiming to be some expert on these things, only america is pictured pretty desperate in our media what their currency belongs.
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On November 01 2010 09:08 Beef Noodles wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 08:34 billyX333 wrote:On November 01 2010 07:41 Beef Noodles wrote:On November 01 2010 07:31 billyX333 wrote: alexhandr has racial discrimination and racism completely mixed up. holding negative opinions about someone of a different ethnicity (solely because of their ethnicity) is racism. acting out on your racist beliefs would then be consider racial discrimination. No, he's merely saying that the prejudice is not directed toward the Chinese race but instead the Nation of China. With rising debt and the lower recognition of human rights, is it not understandable to fear the rise of the Chinese nation? The reason everyone in the commercial was Chinese (racially) is because the Chinese nation is one of the most homogeneous nations in the entire world. If Communist China had substantial diversity and had other politically powerful races within their nation, I'm confident that the commercial would have shown more diversity in the classroom of laughing Chinese Nationals. no that isnt what he was merely saying. look at his examples. they make no sense and he clearly has the two terms confused. nationalism vs racism is a different debate, but you can't deny there is an ominous undertone (whether you think its for a fear of chinese people, the nation, or a combination of both, is up for interpretation). if you missed it, you were trying to miss it as that was clearly the director's intention. these arent government officials in the commercial, this involves a professor and the students (the civilians) Although I SERIOUSLY doubt the creator of this video truly meant for it to be as intellectual as we are making it, I think there can be a logical interpretation. I am willing to admit that the creators were probably scared and possibly racist -- but that is a one dimensional topic and not interesting. What are far more interesting questions are to ask what a Chinese run world would be like, if America should fear that, and if fearing that is racist or not. I just came back from a year teaching high school and college students in Hangzhou, China. I find the setting of a Chinese classroom VERY relevant. The amount of propaganda that permeates the average Chinese high school/college is startling. (Note: I also find the amount of American propaganda in American schools almost as startling.) I have talked with hundreds of young Chinese intellectuals and many of them are willing to admit many faults of their country, civil rights, and government. But, the general concensus is to NOT care if you have no human rights if that makes China more powerful. Right now, the average Chinese person is so nationalistic that it is blinding their individualism and their sense of right and wrong. They still DO have a very developed sense of right and wrong, but it is eclipsed by this rising pride in the accomplishments of modern China (kind of like pre-world war two Japan). These are GOOD people. They would like all the rights and freedoms that we enjoy. But where as I would die fighting my own country if they tried to take away those rights, they are willing to wait many years until their government grants them those rights if that means that their government and country will remain the strongest in the world. This is a mindset that I personally and many Americans find very scary (even though it is very similar to American philosophy). It is clearly in America's best interest to remain #1. Why is it "racist" to spread a commercial trying to rally support against another country (although this stupid commercial was less about trying to keep up with China and more about blaming the Democrats [lol]). That is just my own personal experience talking with my students, but I don't see why Americans should try to rally support for American (and against China) so that we do not fall to #2. I personally would immediately join a movement to boycott Chinese goods (even though it is almost surely too little too late). I've seen similar anti-American movements/advertisements in China. It's nationalism baby! -- I just can't believe nationalism is still considered a good thing (even though I'm a pretty nationalistic American... yes I know its hypocritical...) So, basically, you're an enormous self-admitted hypocrite and you think fearmongering tactics are acceptable if the target is not us (even if the target is self-admittedly the exact same as us), and you basically equate "having strongest economy in the world" with "running the entire world politically and culturally". Okay then.
By the way, I hear this "I would die fighting for my freedoms and what the Founding Fathers stood for" bullshit everywhere. No you wouldn't. What, you think some evil Muslim Hitler is going to be the one to take away your freedoms? You think when the government wants to take away your rights they're going to just announce they're doing it? When the government comes to take away your freedoms it will be in the guise of security, wrapped in the flag, carrying a gun and a bible in each hand and there won't be some kind of armed uprising, people will gladly just let it happen. In this respect the Chinese are actually better off - they know exactly what it is they're missing out on, whereas Americans don't even know it when it's being taken away.
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On November 01 2010 09:45 Jerubaal wrote: *cough* Soviet Union. *cough* i'm not sure if you are comparing china to the soviet union or if you are comparing the soviet union's economic downfall to USA's potential downfall. because neither would be comparable
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I thought it was ridiculously funny.
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On November 01 2010 09:54 billyX333 wrote:i'm not sure if you are comparing china to the soviet union or if you are comparing the soviet union's economic downfall to USA's potential downfall. because neither would be comparable Yeah i don't get it either soviet union was a closed off system US is a globalized system and the soviets didn't own people anything things were given priority of state which is why we have so many ak47's because they had an planned econ.
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On November 01 2010 08:08 Gaga wrote: this commercial is sooo fucking stupid
to really believe that the rise of china and halt of the dominance of the USA is because of the healthcare bill and the stimulus program ...
thats like blaming the water of the fireman is the reason why your house burned down
or if you believe what obama is doing is wrong
that the last blow of the axe is why the tree is falling ... ignoring all the blows before.
and btw.
because the usa ows so much money to china ... its in chinas best interests that the usa is doing good... to repay its depth... if the usa would go down ... it would take china with it.
Thats the great thing about globalisation .. if one gloablized country gets fucked, it hurts the whole world -> everyone has an interest that their trade partners do ok. I think you are the smartest person in this thread. Half of the people are hating on America and the other half are saying total nonsense. You shouldn`t want other countries to fail because everybody is linked.
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you know all this debate about the video not being racist is really worrying.
For racism to be ONLY triggered when you're enslaving, seggregating and activily brutalising a certain race/culture is really a bad sign.
This video is not the same as having hunting trips, rounding up and killing the indigenous population, but it still is racist.
Racism stems from prejudice based on racial/cultural differences. There can be other factors that attribute to this prejudice, but if there is some connection to racial differences, then that is racism. The Apartheid system in South Africa had economic and social grounds of its existance, but the fact that it's grounded with racial intolerance makes it a racist policy.
This video, as most people have mentioned, clearly prejudices China over racial differences. It is actively painting China in a negative light, making them the 'bad guys'. It is hyperbolizing Mao, it is miscontruing China's economic growth and agenda, it is portraying the Chinese people as imperialst swine taking delight in their purported aquisition of America.
The video is amusing, but it's still grounded with racist overtones.
People, this is how huge racial intolerance and things like the cruel treatment of black Americans arise.
just for a bit of hyperbole, as it was brought up earlier, lets go to nazi germany (and in fact most of europe).
'Damn these Jewish people for having all this money! We're going to be poor and working for them!' 'Damn these Jewish people, with their different religion, their failure to assimilate with us' 'Surely if we do something regarding Jewish people we can make our nation great!' 'Geez, what can we do about thise jewish question?' 'I know, lets make a final solution to the jewish questions!'
(yes 'Jew' like 'Arab' isnt a race, but we're not about to start differentiating racism to some term like 'ethno/religiousicm')
I think it is purblind to only consider racism at its more heinous. Racism exists as soon as there is some sort of prejudice and discrimnation based in part due to religious/cultural differences. And to disagree, i feel, is akin to allowing racial prejudice, and then allowing it to spiral out of control, like the domino effect till we all become red under the bed being angry at every other culture.
It is not playing down the attrocities when racism flares into violent conflict, but it is still part and parcel of racism.
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On November 01 2010 09:54 billyX333 wrote:i'm not sure if you are comparing china to the soviet union or if you are comparing the soviet union's economic downfall to USA's potential downfall. because neither would be comparable
I'm referring to how pretty much every Western academic (outside the Reagan White House, hyuk hyuk) predicted the Soviet Union would bury the U.S.. Right up to its total collapse. I know they don't put that stuff in text books these days. Why would they admit they were wrong?
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Well we do give money to China so the head of big corporations can have a lot of money but at the same time it make the gap between to rich and the poor much greater along with a better economy for China. U.S. corporation leaders are spoiled basically, includes Nike, and any brand that has products "Made in China"
Yes if we make it here and having the products "Made in USA" It would be more expensive.but it will be worth it for our Nation as we work together. But no we dont...
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This video shows us why China is AWESOME!
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Hide your kids Hide your wife cause China's all up in here in 2030
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The problem with the US is their wars and military budget. That's creating the debt. That you have a deficit in a recession is only natural. Also, US health care is extremely expensive compared to other countries. The main reasons are the lack of prevention and the high prices charged by pharmacy and insurance companies. Fact is that the system is extremely bureaucratic and those that want medicine/insurance have no bargaining power. I think there's actually a law against having a strong negotiation position against these corporations. The laws were fixed to benefit these corporations who pay the politicians.
Also, the neo-liberal version of capitalism has done a lot of damage in the world and is also one of the causes of the crisis.
Noam Chomsky's recorded address to the United National Peace Conference, 7/24/2010
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I was gonna say 10 years the US finally hits the shitter but 20 years is cool i guess.
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yeah and the billions to save the banks played also a little bit of a role :D and that the FED is pressing money nonstop since years
this neo-liberal idea of capitalism the US have is going to fall, and the US will pull half of the world with it.
and it will be us who pay the price, not the banks and not the rich people.
the only thing we can hope is, that the next economic system that comes, serves the people and not enslave them :/
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Fallout story anyone?
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1. The ad is stupid 2. People throw the term "racist" around like the average TL user throws "troll" around 3. Far Left Team Liquid (meaning 99% of the users) needs a smugness/pompousness nerf 4. @Europeans who hate the US - Haters gonna hate 5. USA USA USA
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LOL. funny ad.
although it does have a point, the US gov is not spending its resources wisely. the old saying: you snooze, you lose.
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this ad is stupid but i can say us isnt going to stay top for much longer its past its prime for sure GO CANADA!
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