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On November 02 2010 04:13 Carras wrote: So, giving people healthcare is now... WASTE.. nice i dont live in america,
The real world isn't as simple as that... However, the American healthcare system is exceptionally wasteful. America spends far more than any other country on health care, no matter how you measure it (% of GDP, per capita, ect.) and have less coverage. The benefit is primarily R&D. So Americans foot the bill for global medical progress and suffer an inferior health care system to boot. Good for the world, bad for America.
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rofl. That vid was hilarious.
Thanks for showing me this vid, brb emailing it to some people I know in China, lol, I think they'll get a kick out of this.
It isn't really racism btw. Just blatant fear mongering. Of course, they are closely connected things :x.
It doesn't have to be a mad scientist laugh to be evil. Having the audience laughing at the downfall of america and the americans working for the chinese = evil laughter.
I laughed too lol. Not out of schadenfreude but absurdity lol.
Realistically, China won't surpass the U.S. economically and in terms of political power, for at least a hundred if not several hundred years. China's current growth isn't sustainable, and the government is aware of this. They'll have to transition into a market economy driven by internal demand within the next few decades, which is going to be accompanied by a drastic reduction on the rate of there economic growth, if they do so successfully. If the transition is unsuccessful, it could be catastrophic for the world economy.
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This ad is probably quite effective towards the uneducated masses of people it is trying to target.
My grandmother believes everything she reads / sees on the internet. There's no talking her out of it. If she saw an ad like this, she'd believe it. That's what the creator of this ad was going for.
Also, whoever says this is racist needs a good punch in the mouth. Apparently everything is racist. "Oh? You don't want illegal immigrants in your country? RACIST!" "Don't like the new health care bill? Think Obama is doing a terrible job as president? RACIST!" As a straight white male I'm offended by the overuse of the words: Hate Crime, Racism, Discrimination, and Affirmative Action.
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To be honest the smug Chinese lecturer wasn't out of character at all. Speaking as a Chinese dude, what people in the West don't tend to know is that we're the biggest racist dipshits of them all. Given the fair mix of opportunities I'd reckon we could make the KKK look like a Kinderparty. With the way China tried to ethnically dilute places like Tibet by way of en-masse immigration of Han Chinese to try to dilute and dominate the Tibetan ethnicity, one could only read of such things in the history books of places like (surprise, surprise) USA when before the Civil Rights Act came about, landlords could come together and agree to deny leasing to black people, thus creating white enclaves for themselves.
What becomes even more worrying about USA now is that democracy itself as an idea is in a steady decline in the eyes of the now-prosperous emerging economies. The US and EU are in serious economic funks and appear to have trouble with recovering because of all the silly politicians who spend more time worrying about the next election cycle instead of actually getting down to the business of governing. China gets to smirk at the West for that and can claim the legitimacy of economic prosperity when they start talking about their own system being superior.
Even my country, Singapore, the infamous one-party 'democracy' has been boasting about the merits of such a fake 'democracy', extolling the benefits of such a state to massive corporations who might want to invest here because the government will get to plan for 10-20 years ahead instead of constantly fretting over the next election. With the way things are going now, we could probably change the name of our country from the Republic of Singapore to Singapore LLP.
And the even bigger surprise? The Tea Party isn't helping democracy's cause. At all. It can rant about freedom for all it want (because they have lost sight of the true meaning of liberty) but they are hurting democracy. Non-democratic countries look at the Tea Party and laugh their balls off, for because of groups like these the government finds itself unable to govern properly, thus increasing the potential of driving the country further into the ground.
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Also, whoever says this is racist needs a good punch in the mouth. Apparently everything is racist. "Oh? You don't want illegal immigrants in your country? RACIST!" "Don't like the new health care bill? Think Obama is doing a terrible job as president? RACIST!" As a straight white male I'm offended by the overuse of the words: Hate Crime, Racism, Discrimination, and Affirmative Action .
Right. Rightist=/=Racist. But sometimes the line is very thin, so I don't really blame people for confusing the two.
The Tea Party isn't helping democracy's cause.
The Tea party is a joke. American democracy is based around private, educated citizens voting representatives that represent there private, individual, financial issues for them, there family, and there local community, not voting based on manufactured values and propaganda created around getting "one issue" voter propagated by heavily commercialized media.
People need to step back from the manufactured false issues and start voting for whats financially best suited for them, rather then voting based on manufactured fears and non-issue issues that in the end, don't really matter in the grand scheme of things.
The Tea party is literally the antithesis of what they stand for. While they preach fearmongering irrelevant propaganda, they ignore that there "hero", Jefferson, was elected to office through individual citizens voting for the representative whos policys best furthered there own, private, economic well being.
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On November 01 2010 02:01 Sultan.P wrote: This is not racism. Some people totally misunderstand racism -_-
This video is just stating something pretty obvious: we owe a shitload of money to the chinese government. If we can't pay that back they will, in a sense, "own us." You guys are taking this way too literally, I just understood the video to mean that we should remember that we paid about 5% of our budget last year on interest to debt to foreign governments and that foreign governments actually own almost 30% of the US national debt. So the message is STOP WITH THE SPENDING!!!!!!
It's definitely anti-democrat propaganda since after 2 years in power they have spent a shitload of money on health care and the stimulus.
Ya.. I duno.. this is how I took it. I don't see the big deal.
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I dunno, I thought it was a pretty cool commercial. I mean, did you SEE that kid's cell phone!? Makes my HD2 look like a damn Tiger Handheld (which I guess in 2030 would be an accurate comparison).
Oh yeah, blatant fearmongering, etc. I don't really get where racism is coming from, I really don't think the commercial depicted the Chinese as evil overlords, just as the next world superpower by 2030. Nothing wrong with that, as it seems likely if they keep on their current track. They've got 4x the population as the U.S., so it only makes sense that they (and India) would be the next superpowers, provided they can sustain a population of 1 billion. More people working = more GDP.
Perhaps Americans are overly sensitive to racism.
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@ dogsi
you cant pick only the figures that are looking good
scroll down to Gross Debt per GDP
you will se america has gone from 62 to 100% and is not in a better condition than all of this countrys you wrote..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt
edit: you used figures from 2009 america fucked really up since than :D
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One of the ongoing arguments in this thread is based off the fallacy of bilateral trade. That China owns a bunch of US debt as a result of a bilateral trade surplus with the US does not imply something weird or sinister is going down.
Do you feel pissed when the grocery store keeps taking your money but doesn't give you any money back? And I bet your employer feels the same way about you, the cash just keeps flowing into your pockets and they get no cash back.
Obviously this is absurd. What matters is the overall trade balance for America, which is pretty decent.
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On November 02 2010 04:35 Half wrote:Show nested quote +Also, whoever says this is racist needs a good punch in the mouth. Apparently everything is racist. "Oh? You don't want illegal immigrants in your country? RACIST!" "Don't like the new health care bill? Think Obama is doing a terrible job as president? RACIST!" As a straight white male I'm offended by the overuse of the words: Hate Crime, Racism, Discrimination, and Affirmative Action . Right. Rightist=/=Racist. But sometimes the line is very thin, so I don't really blame people for confusing the two. The Tea party is a joke. American democracy is based around private, educated citizens voting representatives that represent there private, individual, financial issues for them, there family, and there local community, not voting based on manufactured values and propaganda created around getting "one issue" voter propagated by heavily commercialized media. People need to step back from the manufactured false issues and start voting for whats financially best suited for them, rather then voting based on manufactured fears and non-issue issues that in the end, don't really matter in the grand scheme of things. The Tea party is literally the antithesis of what they stand for. While they preach fearmongering irrelevant propaganda, they ignore that there "hero", Jefferson, was elected to office through individual citizens voting for the representative whos policys best furthered there own, private, economic well being.
The tea party is a well designed propaganda method of control, not a joke.
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On November 02 2010 06:03 Treemonkeys wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 04:35 Half wrote:Also, whoever says this is racist needs a good punch in the mouth. Apparently everything is racist. "Oh? You don't want illegal immigrants in your country? RACIST!" "Don't like the new health care bill? Think Obama is doing a terrible job as president? RACIST!" As a straight white male I'm offended by the overuse of the words: Hate Crime, Racism, Discrimination, and Affirmative Action . Right. Rightist=/=Racist. But sometimes the line is very thin, so I don't really blame people for confusing the two. The Tea Party isn't helping democracy's cause. The Tea party is a joke. American democracy is based around private, educated citizens voting representatives that represent there private, individual, financial issues for them, there family, and there local community, not voting based on manufactured values and propaganda created around getting "one issue" voter propagated by heavily commercialized media. People need to step back from the manufactured false issues and start voting for whats financially best suited for them, rather then voting based on manufactured fears and non-issue issues that in the end, don't really matter in the grand scheme of things. The Tea party is literally the antithesis of what they stand for. While they preach fearmongering irrelevant propaganda, they ignore that there "hero", Jefferson, was elected to office through individual citizens voting for the representative whos policys best furthered there own, private, economic well being. The tea party is a well designed propaganda method of control, not a joke. just for dialectic's sake, which political group/party isn't a well designed propaganda method of control?
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On November 02 2010 06:16 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 06:03 Treemonkeys wrote:On November 02 2010 04:35 Half wrote:Also, whoever says this is racist needs a good punch in the mouth. Apparently everything is racist. "Oh? You don't want illegal immigrants in your country? RACIST!" "Don't like the new health care bill? Think Obama is doing a terrible job as president? RACIST!" As a straight white male I'm offended by the overuse of the words: Hate Crime, Racism, Discrimination, and Affirmative Action . Right. Rightist=/=Racist. But sometimes the line is very thin, so I don't really blame people for confusing the two. The Tea Party isn't helping democracy's cause. The Tea party is a joke. American democracy is based around private, educated citizens voting representatives that represent there private, individual, financial issues for them, there family, and there local community, not voting based on manufactured values and propaganda created around getting "one issue" voter propagated by heavily commercialized media. People need to step back from the manufactured false issues and start voting for whats financially best suited for them, rather then voting based on manufactured fears and non-issue issues that in the end, don't really matter in the grand scheme of things. The Tea party is literally the antithesis of what they stand for. While they preach fearmongering irrelevant propaganda, they ignore that there "hero", Jefferson, was elected to office through individual citizens voting for the representative whos policys best furthered there own, private, economic well being. The tea party is a well designed propaganda method of control, not a joke. just for dialectic's sake, which political group/party isn't a well designed propaganda method of control?
Maybe the ones that don't go anywhere (poorly designed at least). Politics itself is a path towards control and power.
But taking the tea party example, it has been sold as some kind of grassroots sprout, it isn't. The grassroots sprout was rage and the tea party is used to funnel the rage into a controlled organization, stamp collectivist labels on it (racist, capitalist, conservative, etc.) and then use the labels to creat division based on other group's labels. Divide and conquer - no reason to worry about village folk showing up with pitchforks on the white house lawn when they are too busy arguing over what Glenn Beck said.
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lol china is the new russia
expect the chinese to be behind every scheme, every plot thickening, every james bond antagonist hahaha
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This commercial is so true, open your eyes.
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On November 01 2010 02:10 Beef Noodles wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 02:05 hifriend wrote:On November 01 2010 01:57 Alexhandr wrote: You people just really sort of sicken me. The world has lost what it means to be a racist. Racism is hate, outright HATERED for a different RACE. The video wasn't HATING Chinese people, rather implying that because of the deplorable amount of money our stupid, pathetic government spends, China will own us. The bad guy here is the COMMUNIST Chinese government and the moronic American government which spends to oblivion and back.
Shut the fuck up about racism, darn it! Shut the fuck up! Racism is when blacks were forced to sit in the backs of buses, forced to drink from "colored" waterfountains and eat at "colored" restaurants. Racism is when the Irish came over here and were treated like trash. That's fucking racism. Get it straight, dammit for God's sake!
This cry of racism every time someone says something that you don't fucking like is disgusting. Like when Juan Williams (who is black, liberal, and a civil rights activist) was fired from NPR because he said he feels uncomfortable near someone wearing Muslim garb on a plane! Someone says something you dislike and you cry out "racism". looooooooooooool how is that not blatantly racist? It's not a good reaction to have... but it's not racism. I feel uncomfortable walking passed a man on the street at night and he is carrying a big axe. He is legally entitled to do that, and I am unfairly jumping to the conclusion that he is an axe murderer, but that's not racist... Now replace the street with a plane and the axe with a turban. Still an unfair jump to a conclusion, but still not an example of racism
Ok I know the thread has moved past this, but seriously... how did no one pick up on this?
You're equating carrying around an axe on the street to wearing Muslim garb or a turban. So that is to say, wearing Muslim garb is akin to carrying a weapon?
The mere fact that the garb itself causes one to be fearful is indicative of that person's underlying adherence to racial stereotyping.
I'm not saying that we don't normally do these things in benign ways, but being mindful of our unfair stereotyping is useful. Fearing Muslim garb is irrational.
It's fear of culture that people are decrying as racist, not fear itself.
This is why people are calling this ad racist. This commercial has racist undertones, in that it preys on an irrational fear of Chinese economic prosperity... as if that's gonna result in a Apple-style "1984" future.
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On November 02 2010 03:42 Krigwin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 13:02 Beef Noodles wrote: If it only came down to an arbitrary ranking of 1st and 2nd strongest, then nothing would matter. But in a future where China truly eclipsed America and started to flex its muscle as the DOMINANT world power, many people find that frightening given China's view on individual freedoms. Think of how China has dealt with the Uyghurs in Xinjiang or the Tibetans. People are still dying but no one is hearing about it.
A colleague of mine had two girls as students. They were both in their second year of college. They were caught making pamphlets for the Falun Gong (a religious group that China discriminates against). They came crying to my friend for help. He told them to calm down and nothing was going to happen. The next day they both DISAPPEARED. This is not some "patriot act" thing where they were deemed terrorists and they are held in some prison where the next president to come along will pardon them. This is an off the record murder.
If China makes a push toward more human rights then all is well, but until then I will fear a future where they are the strongest nation in the world. Two points here: 1. What is your point? That China is bad when it comes to human rights? Okay, I don't think anyone is arguing with you on that one. How does this tie in with China having the best economy being a serious problem? What, you think China having the best economy is going to lead to other countries emulating China's government when it comes to human rights? Like the following is going to happen or something: Brazilian President: Okay. Growth wasn't that great last year, how can we improve it this year? What did China do? China's #1, they know what's best. Let's see... they firebombed an orphanage in Tibet. That's it! That's the key to growth! Killing children! Brazilian Advisor: Uh... sir... I don't think those two are actually related... Brazilian President: Quiet man! Don't you understand? China did it. Whatever they're doing is working, so we should just follow their lead! Now find me a Guatemalan orphanage! Yeah, I don't know, Nostradamus, that doesn't seem very likely. 2. Okay, for the sake of argument, let's assume that's a very serious and likely problem. So by reverse you're saying it's better for the US to be #1, so we can be the ones to flex our dominant muscles. You know, because the US is so beloved by other countries and we serve as a paragon of liberty and fiscal responsibility and an example for silly primitive European countries to follo- Oh wait! No, that's not what's happening at all. Turns out we're the ones mired in two clusterfuck wars, with armies in foreign countries bribing, torturing, and killing civilians while troops are stationed in a dozen other countries. Yeah, I think the present reality is already frightening enough for plenty of people, I don't really see how a China-dominant world would be any more frightening than a US-dominant one. Not that that's even likely, no matter how big China's economy gets, no country is ever going to match the military strength of America. And I thought I told you to stop spewing vapid emotional rhetoric. No wait, I only thought that I should tell you to stop. Your logically brilliant argument of "China is bad mmkay something something this leads to China should not be a dominant economic power... by the way I was actually in China, so you should agree with me" is not constructive at all. *sigh* I give up because internet arguing is so draining... You are right. The American government is far worse than a communist government that secretly murders its own people by the thousands... (please mention the wars in Afganistan and Iraq because fighting the terrorist organization that bombed the towers and overthrowing one of the worst dictators of the modern age clearly compares to secretly murdering anyone in your country who has a differing opinion from the single, conservative governmental Party.) Yes, people complain about many of America's actions (as well they should because we should always strive to make things better), but the clear cut STATS are that America has ruled over the most peaceful, progressive era the world has ever seen. Name one other time in history that can compare on a global scale to the level of peace and the rise in the standard of living for the average person in ANY country over the last 60 years? Answer: this is none.
You can give all the credit to advances in technology and other factors, but the fact is that a world dominated by America has been a much better world to live in than the world of European "balance of power" or any other era.
Complain about America. Thank America that you have the right to complain. Will you have that right in 60 years if China takes as dominating a role as America had? If they don't start respecting human rights you won't. And you say, "Why should other countries matter? We won't be living in China so it won't affect us." Well, 1) that's a shitty, selfish approach to human rights, and 2) what is to stop China from economically flexing its muscle. It is hard to picture now because it won't happen in the next 10 or 20 years, but eventually if they gain enough power and economic leverage, they will be able to exert their will abroad (yes, as America has, but I see it potentially being far worse given the Chinese government's track record).
Also regarding this comment: "And I thought I told you to stop spewing vapid emotional rhetoric." 1) Who are you to tell me what to type? 2) Are you actually trying to censor anti-Chinese debate? You sound so much like the Chinese government it's hilarious.
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On November 02 2010 07:16 HawaiianPig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 02:10 Beef Noodles wrote:On November 01 2010 02:05 hifriend wrote:On November 01 2010 01:57 Alexhandr wrote: You people just really sort of sicken me. The world has lost what it means to be a racist. Racism is hate, outright HATERED for a different RACE. The video wasn't HATING Chinese people, rather implying that because of the deplorable amount of money our stupid, pathetic government spends, China will own us. The bad guy here is the COMMUNIST Chinese government and the moronic American government which spends to oblivion and back.
Shut the fuck up about racism, darn it! Shut the fuck up! Racism is when blacks were forced to sit in the backs of buses, forced to drink from "colored" waterfountains and eat at "colored" restaurants. Racism is when the Irish came over here and were treated like trash. That's fucking racism. Get it straight, dammit for God's sake!
This cry of racism every time someone says something that you don't fucking like is disgusting. Like when Juan Williams (who is black, liberal, and a civil rights activist) was fired from NPR because he said he feels uncomfortable near someone wearing Muslim garb on a plane! Someone says something you dislike and you cry out "racism". looooooooooooool how is that not blatantly racist? It's not a good reaction to have... but it's not racism. I feel uncomfortable walking passed a man on the street at night and he is carrying a big axe. He is legally entitled to do that, and I am unfairly jumping to the conclusion that he is an axe murderer, but that's not racist... Now replace the street with a plane and the axe with a turban. Still an unfair jump to a conclusion, but still not an example of racism Ok I know the thread has moved past this, but seriously... how did no one pick up on this? You're equating carrying around an axe on the street to wearing Muslim garb or a turban. So that is to say, wearing Muslim garb is akin to carrying a weapon? The mere fact that the garb itself causes one to be fearful is indicative of that person's underlying adherence to racial stereotyping. I'm not saying that we don't normally do these things in benign ways, but being mindful of our unfair stereotyping is useful. Fearing Muslim garb is irrational. It's fear of culture that people are decrying as racist, not fear itself. This is why people are calling this ad racist. This commercial has racist undertones, in that it preys on an irrational fear of Chinese economic prosperity... as if that's gonna result in a Apple-style "1984" future. No... I'm just saying that both of them can cause a person to jump to an UNFAIR (even used this word the first time) conclusion. But in neither case is it racist... it is stereotyping but RACE plays no part... how can people claim that someone belongs to the "turban" race?
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@Beef Noodles:i dont think you understand the way being #1 army wise and economically reflects on other countries You get to force your values and culture through wars....as for the rest of the world that isnt in war with you.....they dont care and mind their own business.
Democracy isnt stable in EU because it is in usa,like shitty governments killing thousand will not be the norm in the world when China will be #1. We actually do not really care,and just keep things the way they are.I know you think every kid in the rest of the world dreams to be an american but...you're wrong.Your attention is focused on american issues,ours is focused on our own.I do not wake up thinking about usa,i do not do it going to sleep either. It sucks for usa that theyre going to be a part of what you're calling third world but eh.
Anyway my point is,we did not care when usa was #1;we will not either when China will be,there are more important things worldwide.wink wink UN,where being #1 doesnt make you the king of the world(even though you can still stomp over some rules as we saw with the Iraq war).
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