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On April 08 2011 22:44 lofung wrote: this is a horribly defined question. as a math major i refuse to answer until further clarifaction. I believe that this is the correct answer.
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If this was BW days there would not have been any twos, just saying. ;P
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Yeah, I sent this question to a few friends from my pure math classes. Most responses were along the lines of "wtf are you using a division sign for," but when I actually explained the context, it was really a consensus that the division sign and the use of / in text are ambiguous, because mathematicians use fraction lines instead.
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thats why i want to study physics, cannot define anything there with 2 meanings :D
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On April 08 2011 22:54 inimenesc wrote: thats why i want to study physics, cannot define anything there with 2 meanings :D
...Except the things you study there on the quantum scale can take on multiple meanings until it is observed...
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On April 08 2011 22:39 Antisocialmunky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 22:15 valaki wrote:On April 08 2011 22:11 CrayonKing wrote: This thread is really dumb because it depends on how you interpret it. You can't really interpret any other way tho. You can construct 2 different pre-fix or post-fix notions which implies multiple valid syntax trees for it so in the strictest since of the word, it is ambiguous if you do not assume LtR.
What are those 2 pre-fix and post-fix notations and what would a syntax tree look like? I have a hard time seeing why you would ever not read this LtR. Being uneducated I'm curious.
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On April 08 2011 22:45 Supamang wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 22:44 lofung wrote: this is a horribly defined question. as a math major i refuse to answer until further clarifaction. I believe that this is the correct answer. QFT I don't get why would someone consider this as a math question.
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The context is missing and when this stuff is written out on paper it's a lot clearer what is going on. I was confused in the start because ÷ is used for subtraction in Denmark, and / is used for division. My point is, while the rules for solving this problem are quite well defined, the rules that people are taught aren't and differ a lot from school to school or country to country.
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On April 08 2011 22:43 ChrisXIV wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 22:32 Ceril wrote: I think that I've been told division takes precendece over mulitplication if you have both present. Since division consists of 2 parts to make a whole, wheras multiplication is 1 part for the whole. Division: a/b =c a=dividend b=divisor c=qoutatient. on their own a and b means nothing, a/b needs to be read as one unit, made into c to go with multiplication. 2*2=(2/1)*(2/1)=(2/1)/(1/2)=(4/1)=4 2*3=(2/1)*(3/1)=(3/1)*(2/1)=(3/1)/(1/2)=(2/1)/(1/3)=(6/1)=6 I don't get what you are trying to say, sry T_T.
I'll try again, I'am not a great conveyer of concept in english, sorry. 2*2 is actually saying 2/1 * 2/1 and if we look at it from here we see that 2/1 is one unity. Reading the left or the right of the /( a or b) on their own is not not an actual number we can do anything with. 5*6/3 should be read as 5*(6/3) resolve the division first since we have both * and / present. because 5*6 is not correct soon as we have the division sign we must take into account what is on the other side of the / sign, above our divisor 3. 5*6/3 Looking at our 6 as freestanding and easy to mulitply with the 5, when it is actually part of a whole unit that is the division of 6/3 the 6 or the 3 are not separate entities; On their own they do not tell us anything only read as the unit they make up (6/3)=2.
5 6 --- * ---- 1 3
And so: If we have "6/3(5)" multiplying the 3 with the 5 first is incorrect since our "3" is not actually representing the number 3, our 3 is the divisor part of a divison unity, its not representing anything on its own. Any divison is most easily read by adding parenthesis 6/3 <-this is one divison unit =>(6/3)=>2 =>2(5) =>10
Edit: Yes, its quite possible its a badly defined question. But when I translate it to paper, it stands clear to me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/÷
In written form a÷b and a/b have the same meaning to me.
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if it would be 48/2(9+3) the answer would be 2, also if 48÷(2x(9+3))
Dont confuse the ÷ with the / its different kinda (with the '/' it would be (48/2) x (9+3).
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On April 08 2011 22:49 Nivoh wrote: If this was BW days there would not have been any twos, just saying. ;P
Are you saying only romanians played BW?
On April 08 2011 23:01 OrchidThief wrote: The context is missing and when this stuff is written out on paper it's a lot clearer what is going on. I was confused in the start because ÷ is used for subtraction in Denmark, and / is used for division. My point is, while the rules for solving this problem are quite well defined, the rules that people are taught aren't and differ a lot from school to school or country to country. That's cool to know, I had no idea ÷ meant subtraction somewhere.
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48/2*(9+3)= 48 / (2*9)+(2*3) = 48 / (18+6) = 48 / 24 = 2
48/2*(9+3)= 24*(9+3)= (24*9)+(24*3)= 288
Lets restate the problem
48 over 1 "divided by" 2(9+3) over 1 (easy as pie, flip the second and multiply!)
48 over 1 "multiplied by" 1 over 2(9+3)
which gives 48 "divided by" 24. (punch that into a calculator I dare you)
Why would you evaluate the bracket last?
If I'm wrong I don't know how I got through 4 years of engineering....
This is the thingy I learned in grade 6... you will shit. EBODMASIO
Exponents, Brackets, Of, Division, Multiplication, Addition, Subtraction, In Order. the guy was a crackpot. (brackets are first)
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On April 08 2011 22:54 inimenesc wrote: thats why i want to study physics, cannot define anything there with 2 meanings :D
Then you're in for quite a surprise. The abuse of notation common in physics is unbelievable.
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On April 08 2011 18:27 Kentor wrote:requoting this. in other words this math problem is retarded and has no real life consequences.
Re-re-quoted for a nice input into the discussion.
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On April 08 2011 23:05 VIB wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 22:49 Nivoh wrote: If this was BW days there would not have been any twos, just saying. ;P
Are you saying only romanians played BW? Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 23:01 OrchidThief wrote: The context is missing and when this stuff is written out on paper it's a lot clearer what is going on. I was confused in the start because ÷ is used for subtraction in Denmark, and / is used for division. My point is, while the rules for solving this problem are quite well defined, the rules that people are taught aren't and differ a lot from school to school or country to country. That's cool to know, I had no idea ÷ meant subtraction somewhere.
Was that really necessary?
Orchid... whhhhhat? My mind ='s blown right now.
Really? ÷ would mean to subtract and not - ? That sounds like the biggest bullshit, but what do I know.. I'm not from Denmark. The signs are supposed to be universal, so there would be little confusion. ._.
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On April 08 2011 23:15 MasterOfChaos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 22:54 inimenesc wrote: thats why i want to study physics, cannot define anything there with 2 meanings :D
Then you're in for quite a surprise. The abuse of notation common in physics is unbelievable.
Haha, indeed. Quantum mechanics is pure abuse of notation.
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On April 08 2011 23:17 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 23:05 VIB wrote:On April 08 2011 22:49 Nivoh wrote: If this was BW days there would not have been any twos, just saying. ;P
Are you saying only romanians played BW? On April 08 2011 23:01 OrchidThief wrote: The context is missing and when this stuff is written out on paper it's a lot clearer what is going on. I was confused in the start because ÷ is used for subtraction in Denmark, and / is used for division. My point is, while the rules for solving this problem are quite well defined, the rules that people are taught aren't and differ a lot from school to school or country to country. That's cool to know, I had no idea ÷ meant subtraction somewhere. Was that really necessary? Orchid... whhhhhat? My mind ='s blown right now. Really? ÷ would mean to subtract and not - ? That sounds like the biggest bullshit, but what do I know.. I'm not from Denmark. The signs are supposed to be universal, so there would be little confusion. ._.
I have never in my, umm, 20'ish years of education seen ÷ used for division. Ever.
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Order of operations... This is solvable and there is only one solution. It's 288.parentheses first, thenleft to right since division and multiplication have the same priority.
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As of the time of this post...the result of the first poll
288 [(1781)57%] and 2 [(1354)43%]
contradicts with the result of the third poll
1/(2*x) [(1415)68%] and (1/2)*x [(672)32%]
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I can't believe people are still debating this...
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