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On August 12 2011 23:12 yoonyoon wrote: Um o_O if this is the right surgery I'm thinking of, a lot of Koreans have it to. I had it myself as a kid. 혀가 짧아서 어렸을 때 수술 하는 사람 많은뎅,,, From what I know though, it's only effective if you have the surgery done at a young age. The doctor told my mom that if I had the surgery too late, my pronunciation would be affected. It might be the same for the girl in the article though, if she hasn't learned Korean for very long..? Ok, so why is everyone flaming this and screaming "Troll"?
The fact that this even made the news is pretty weird to me, though I do have a friend with an extremely short tongue and she has a distinctive accent on even english words with Ls that her speech therapist told her family was a result of her short tongue. She's still completely understandable, though I could see it be a bigger problem with other languages.
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Uh, is this even thread worthy? Like this is a common surgery if its the one I'm thinking of.
I actually had it done like two months ago, not because of pronunciation issues, but rather because I wanted to be able to roll my tongue and my dentist said it would help >_>
Still can't do it though. Bleh.
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You guys should check out the link and see the photo there, and then read this comment by chriswillowe:
"She oughta have spent the money on doing summat about that big lower lip, looks horrible, poor kid."
Can't stop laughing about it :p
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It's not that big of a surgery anyways, don't daunt over it.
And the thing is (as a Korean), the L-R consonant ㄹ doesn't really need a bigger tongue as far as I'm concerned. Just tested it, I have like a centimeter of tongue left that's not needed to pronounce it o.o
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I thought tongue job was some random play i didn't know about. Guess i was wrong >.>
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i have a short tongue and im korean and i can make the L-sound very well :o wonder what it is with her tongue, really
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contrary to most people writing in the thread, i believe that it sure can help her pronounciation in korean. However, i also believe that it would be possible for that girl to speak like a native korean even without surgery if she would have really put her mind into it and cared for it when doing the basic learning. Since once you have trained a wrong habit (in this case wrong pronounciation) for a long time, you will always do it wrong and it is so hard to get off of it. So if she uses motions/positions of her tongue that would sound right if her tongue was longer, this sure could have helped her. But if she would have cared and learned the right tongue movement/positions when she learned korean, i believe she could have been able to speak perfect korean without surgery.
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... Can i get this done :o
Who do i see
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On August 12 2011 21:36 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote: This is an old scam, but it usually went the other way around. More than a few people in Korea have had tongue reshaping surgery to become "better" speakers of English. The truth of the matter, however, is that this is just surgeons taking advantage of people who know no better.
Her pronunciation is not better, her Korean is not better, and it scares me that any form of medical practitioner would believe that she can't speak Korean because her tongue is too short. Yeah this is just silly, in Finland there definitely are "distinct L-sounds" and the lenght of the tongue has nothing to do with anything, you just have to practice. My tongue reaches like 5cm further than is necessary to say "L", if you can say "S" your tongue is fine.
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I had this done to me as a kid (In Russia). Both the bottom flap, and the top one (The one that attaches lips to the teeth), if I recall correctly.
No anaesthetic, hurt like hell, waste of time.
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My parents are absolutely terrible with L's in English. "Bell" sounds like "Berruh" to most non-Koreans who hear them speak ^_^
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The above poster is correct. It barely qualifies as oral surgery though, considering how simple the procedure is. I doubt it helped anyone with letter pronunciation, but I also don't see any real harm in it (except in DIY cases).
There are people who get it done just for the NSFW appeal.
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I don't like the Sun that much.Specially since its brought by the same propaganda ministers that brought you newsweek and fox news.
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a british friend advised me to not read the sun...
at any rate, i dont know how effective this surgery will be. it does show her dedication, though.
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I think its really strange actually once you think about it. She is obviously a well brought up child therefore its a likely chance her parents were successful parents.
But the mother only says, "Well we'll let her do the crap she wants" I found this pretty unrealistic. In my opinion I think most mothers would be like WTF IS WRONG WITH MY DAUGHTER I DIDNT RAISE HER TO FKING CUT HER TONGUE WTF.
Lol but this is all theory and now I feel stupid.
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I have no knowledge on this topic, but this seems absurd.
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i think she would have been more popular with an accent. krns love white ppl (and their accent)
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On August 13 2011 06:21 Emporio wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 23:43 aurum510 wrote:This is going to sound really weird/disgusting, but as a child I basically did this procedure to myself over time. I have no gag reflex, so I am able to basically put my tongue up the back of my throat into the back of the nose area. It's called hypermobile tongue. And the area of the back of the throat that leads to the nose is the nasopharynx. You can look it up on google "hypermobile tongue nasopharynx". Needless to say, before I did this to myself (it seemed natural, it hurt every day, but after a few weeks the skin was gone and healed) I was easily able to touch my tongue to the tip of my nose (on the outside). I guess this inspired me? P.S. I'm not weird or mutated or anything in any other way, it just happened! It's useful to remove mucus when you have issues with it, especially in the morning. Yeah. That sounds gross, but I have very fresh breath, as I take care of my mouth! For the visually inclined, here's a picture from wikipedia of the nasopharynx. That's why I can put my tongue. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Illu_pharynx.jpg[Edit]: I don't think I've told my fiancee I can do this yet... Maybe I should... Wait... wtf, you cut that flap yourself??? Why hasn't anyone else commented on this????
I cut it myself, but just with the muscles in my mouth. The skin just sort of wore away as I streched my tongue more.
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On August 13 2011 05:06 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 23:43 aurum510 wrote:This is going to sound really weird/disgusting, but as a child I basically did this procedure to myself over time. I have no gag reflex, so I am able to basically put my tongue up the back of my throat into the back of the nose area. It's called hypermobile tongue. And the area of the back of the throat that leads to the nose is the nasopharynx. You can look it up on google "hypermobile tongue nasopharynx". Needless to say, before I did this to myself (it seemed natural, it hurt every day, but after a few weeks the skin was gone and healed) I was easily able to touch my tongue to the tip of my nose (on the outside). I guess this inspired me? P.S. I'm not weird or mutated or anything in any other way, it just happened! It's useful to remove mucus when you have issues with it, especially in the morning. Yeah. That sounds gross, but I have very fresh breath, as I take care of my mouth! For the visually inclined, here's a picture from wikipedia of the nasopharynx. That's why I can put my tongue. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Illu_pharynx.jpg[Edit]: I don't think I've told my fiancee I can do this yet... Maybe I should... Unless you're doing the abstinence before marriage thing, I'd assume she has noticed something by now ;p.
I don't give her oral or anything. I'm not a big fan of it, but the lack of tissue there is not easily noticable.
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